If left to free cast behind a tree whos gonna hand out dirtnaps the fastest? Im tired of playing melee and want to try a caster for once. Havent played a caster in a LOOOONG time back on Live so looking for easy-mode here. Also actually being wanted in groups is proly a nice bonus.
Which realm's casters can do the most damage?
Started 5 Mar 2019
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Dabrixmgp
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Tue 5 Mar 2019 1:40 PM
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tsteken
Dark BD with pets assisting
Tue 5 Mar 2019 2:50 PM
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Durgrim
those, who have a good group and debuffs on enemies running.
Tue 5 Mar 2019 3:50 PM
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sprinkle
hib mana ench is number one from what I am seeing
albs close second
albs close second
Tue 5 Mar 2019 7:39 PM
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djegu
sprinkle wrote: ↑Tue 5 Mar 2019 3:50 PMhib mana ench is number one from what I am seeing
albs close second
I beg to disagree debuff + nuke can hit hard but it’s very rare that I hit over 400 while body debuff + nuke hit me with 450 sometimes 500. bonegaind hit harder than me but this is mainly due to the higher RRs.
For me mentalist, and cabalist (with body debuff) are disputing 1st place, I would say advantage to the mentalist because of lurikeen and casting speed.
Tue 5 Mar 2019 7:41 PM
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djegu
The zealot indeed debuff heat for you but by the time he hit your target you have the time to debuff heat + stun, so for the same amount of time you have 50% debuff and stun.
Tue 5 Mar 2019 10:10 PM
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antiflagdan
Technically, a fire wizard dumping his bolts on a caster would be the most. That's the fastest way to drop a target as a caster. If RNGesus favors you, you'll crit and cackle as you watch some poor kobold get obliterated.
If you are talking straight spec and base DD's, it's relatively even among casters. Lot of factors come into play, like if you have debuffs on the target/resists of enemy.
If you want faceroll caster who is mostly just nuking, fire wizard is a pretty popular choice since all they do is root and bolt+dd. If you're good you'll be nearsighting though
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I would recommend looking past the nuking and see what else the class has to offer, though, since the nuking is fairly even. If you are hib and want a pet and speed, go enchanter. You can even go light if you want. If you like lots of utility, go light eld. Have that kinda thought process before picking up a class! If you want the simplest DD'er on hib, I would say light ment or light or mana chanter. If alb, i'd say fire or ice wiz. if mid, I would ask someone else!
If you are talking straight spec and base DD's, it's relatively even among casters. Lot of factors come into play, like if you have debuffs on the target/resists of enemy.
If you want faceroll caster who is mostly just nuking, fire wizard is a pretty popular choice since all they do is root and bolt+dd. If you're good you'll be nearsighting though
. I would recommend looking past the nuking and see what else the class has to offer, though, since the nuking is fairly even. If you are hib and want a pet and speed, go enchanter. You can even go light if you want. If you like lots of utility, go light eld. Have that kinda thought process before picking up a class! If you want the simplest DD'er on hib, I would say light ment or light or mana chanter. If alb, i'd say fire or ice wiz. if mid, I would ask someone else!
Tue 5 Mar 2019 10:14 PM
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Brokenstring
Cabalist can debuff for itself with a body/spirit spec. They can also level and farm pretty fast with the matter spec. Cabalist is the MA usually in Alb caster groups, so it'll pick a target, debuff/NS, then start the nuke party.
Mid: RMs are mainly for NSing, then assisting other casters (if you go dark/supp). BD I haven't actually played much, but they're good solo chars aside from no speed. SMs have the pet + PBAoE, so they're kind of like chanters, but no speed.
Mid: RMs are mainly for NSing, then assisting other casters (if you go dark/supp). BD I haven't actually played much, but they're good solo chars aside from no speed. SMs have the pet + PBAoE, so they're kind of like chanters, but no speed.
Tue 5 Mar 2019 10:51 PM
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Pirhana7
From a hib perspective: It sounds like you want to sit back and kill. I would recommend an Eld.
2 spec I think you would enjoys
(1) Light : you will have the hard hitting spec DD, and red nearsight, as well as a red ae mezz (half as powerful as bard mezz) but it will save you. 8man group love Light elds. You nearsight and take enemy casters out of the fight and then have strong sustained dd damage. you can also save your support with mezz if the bard doesn't get their mezz off or someone pops on them.
(2) Void: This spec is very fun in stand offs and keep sieges / defense. You have 2 bolt that do a lot of damage (especially to enemy casters) you also have a ranged ae dd that ca really hurt a clump of enemies. After you use bolts you rely on a less power dd than Light has but you can still kill with it. 2 Bolts will generally kill any enemy caster by themselves. As a void spec you can still have enough secondary points to put into Light to get Blue nearsight and ae mezz, the ae mezz is short but will save you from enemy stealth popping on you. The blue nearsight is still very very effective on enemy casters.
2 spec I think you would enjoys
(1) Light : you will have the hard hitting spec DD, and red nearsight, as well as a red ae mezz (half as powerful as bard mezz) but it will save you. 8man group love Light elds. You nearsight and take enemy casters out of the fight and then have strong sustained dd damage. you can also save your support with mezz if the bard doesn't get their mezz off or someone pops on them.
(2) Void: This spec is very fun in stand offs and keep sieges / defense. You have 2 bolt that do a lot of damage (especially to enemy casters) you also have a ranged ae dd that ca really hurt a clump of enemies. After you use bolts you rely on a less power dd than Light has but you can still kill with it. 2 Bolts will generally kill any enemy caster by themselves. As a void spec you can still have enough secondary points to put into Light to get Blue nearsight and ae mezz, the ae mezz is short but will save you from enemy stealth popping on you. The blue nearsight is still very very effective on enemy casters.
Tue 5 Mar 2019 11:14 PM
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krycek
The one's that are nuking me
Wed 6 Mar 2019 2:00 AM
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Dabrixmgp
Pirhana7 wrote: ↑Tue 5 Mar 2019 10:51 PMFrom a hib perspective: It sounds like you want to sit back and kill. I would recommend an Eld.
2 spec I think you would enjoys
(1) Light : you will have the hard hitting spec DD, and red nearsight, as well as a red ae mezz (half as powerful as bard mezz) but it will save you. 8man group love Light elds. You nearsight and take enemy casters out of the fight and then have strong sustained dd damage. you can also save your support with mezz if the bard doesn't get their mezz off or someone pops on them.
(2) Void: This spec is very fun in stand offs and keep sieges / defense. You have 2 bolt that do a lot of damage (especially to enemy casters) you also have a ranged ae dd that ca really hurt a clump of enemies. After you use bolts you rely on a less power dd than Light has but you can still kill with it. 2 Bolts will generally kill any enemy caster by themselves. As a void spec you can still have enough secondary points to put into Light to get Blue nearsight and ae mezz, the ae mezz is short but will save you from enemy stealth popping on you. The blue nearsight is still very very effective on enemy casters.
Im proly gonna go Hib but considering Enchanter. was like 50/50 for the Eldy though. Kinda regretting the enchanter now actually, might just go Eldy after all.
Wed 6 Mar 2019 3:04 AM
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Dominus
light ment actually
Wed 6 Mar 2019 4:39 PM
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redko974
Hello guys
Thu 7 Mar 2019 3:51 PM
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rubaduck
Mana enchanter with 49 mana 22 light. Level 49 heat debuff and base heat nuke in light with almost no variance.
Tue 12 Mar 2019 2:14 PM
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Horus
Did a test back in the day...if you are talking about just single target damage...(/assist + debuffs for others is a diff story) the light enchanter is your thing.
Why? 209 DD + zealot debuff DD is the highest burst single target DPS. Sure other classes can debuff their own dmg type and that is nice, but in the time it takes to cast a debuff and for the short duration it lasts due to resists, it was actually higher DPS just casting an addition 209 DD...at least that was my test results on another server...
Now when you start talking about stuns, or others /assisting on your debuff, that is another story but given let's say 10 seconds or so to do dmg on a target solo, light enchanter + zealot pet.
You could make the argument for a fire wizzy as well..2 big bolts and a big DD might be the top.
Never played a BD though so maybe they compete as well?
Why? 209 DD + zealot debuff DD is the highest burst single target DPS. Sure other classes can debuff their own dmg type and that is nice, but in the time it takes to cast a debuff and for the short duration it lasts due to resists, it was actually higher DPS just casting an addition 209 DD...at least that was my test results on another server...
Now when you start talking about stuns, or others /assisting on your debuff, that is another story but given let's say 10 seconds or so to do dmg on a target solo, light enchanter + zealot pet.
You could make the argument for a fire wizzy as well..2 big bolts and a big DD might be the top.
Never played a BD though so maybe they compete as well?
Tue 12 Mar 2019 2:32 PM
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djegu
Horus wrote: ↑Tue 12 Mar 2019 2:14 PMDid a test back in the day...if you are talking about just single target damage...(/assist + debuffs for others is a diff story) the light enchanter is your thing.
Why? 209 DD + zealot debuff DD is the highest burst single target DPS. Sure other classes can debuff their own dmg type and that is nice, but in the time it takes to cast a debuff and for the short duration it lasts due to resists, it was actually higher DPS just casting an addition 209 DD...at least that was my test results on another server...
Now when you start talking about stuns, or others /assisting on your debuff, that is another story but given let's say 10 seconds or so to do dmg on a target solo, light enchanter + zealot pet.
You could make the argument for a fire wizzy as well..2 big bolts and a big DD might be the top.
Never played a BD though so maybe they compete as well?
This isn't entirely accurate, the zealot is very slow (6s) so by the time the zealot cast your debuff, you have the time with your mana spec to : stun, debuff and 2 x nuke.
Tue 12 Mar 2019 2:43 PM
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HtGeist
Im no wiz...just theory crafting..would a fire/offspec earth or earth/off spec fire not have the terrible 3triple bolts? earth bolts are the biggest chunks of matter ive seen on the dmg alone..
Tue 12 Mar 2019 7:48 PM
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Horus
djegu wrote: ↑Tue 12 Mar 2019 2:32 PMHorus wrote: ↑Tue 12 Mar 2019 2:14 PMDid a test back in the day...if you are talking about just single target damage...(/assist + debuffs for others is a diff story) the light enchanter is your thing.
Why? 209 DD + zealot debuff DD is the highest burst single target DPS. Sure other classes can debuff their own dmg type and that is nice, but in the time it takes to cast a debuff and for the short duration it lasts due to resists, it was actually higher DPS just casting an addition 209 DD...at least that was my test results on another server...
Now when you start talking about stuns, or others /assisting on your debuff, that is another story but given let's say 10 seconds or so to do dmg on a target solo, light enchanter + zealot pet.
You could make the argument for a fire wizzy as well..2 big bolts and a big DD might be the top.
Never played a BD though so maybe they compete as well?
This isn't entirely accurate, the zealot is very slow (6s) so by the time the zealot cast your debuff, you have the time with your mana spec to : stun, debuff and 2 x nuke.
I have not tested it here...so you may be correct. I can tell you when I tested it other places, light came out on top. It is easy enough to test against a target dummy and find out. I just don't have a 49 chanter to test and respec and test again
Tue 12 Mar 2019 10:31 PM
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antiflagdan
HtGeist wrote: ↑Tue 12 Mar 2019 2:43 PMIm no wiz...just theory crafting..would a fire/offspec earth or earth/off spec fire not have the terrible 3triple bolts? earth bolts are the biggest chunks of matter ive seen on the dmg alone..
Wiz main and obsessive theorycrafter, here! The most damage potential you'd want (and I don't think any one character can do this much potential damage by themselves), is being high enough RR to make a 48 earth, 24 fire spec work. You can red debuff heat and matter and do a 309 matter bolt, and 239 fire bolt, and a 133 fire bolt if you wanted. Alternately, you could go 46 earth, 28 fire and you'd have the 170 bolt over the 133 (and yellow matter debuff instead of red), and less variance on your base nuke. Now, if all the stars align and you can manage to get a red heat + matter debuff and throw both 2 big bolts, and put a VP in there to hit at the same time as one of them, and you're talking big damage. With the high rr your base heat nuke with heat debuff will be SWINGING pretty consistently once you're around 43 effective or so. I am still constantly considering various specs but I am thinking I am settling on 48 earth, 24 fire and mostly disregarding the low end spec fire bolt. It isn't super hard to get the debuffs off before you bolt, but you're going to have to be in 1500 range, which isn't a huge deal. Even though the above situation isn't going to be the norm, it feels damn good when you can make it happen and you can rest easy with your red near sight, red aoe root, aoe snare... etc. Earth is sick.
The big sexy is getting a big crit 331delve fire bolt after debuffs and landing a VP at the same time as it lands. Guaranteed to put a smile on your face. If you have a sorc or another earth wizzie that you run with consistently, I would rec staying fire because with debuffs, that character SWINGS!
Wed 13 Mar 2019 2:08 PM
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Horus
antiflagdan wrote: ↑Tue 12 Mar 2019 10:31 PMHtGeist wrote: ↑Tue 12 Mar 2019 2:43 PMIm no wiz...just theory crafting..would a fire/offspec earth or earth/off spec fire not have the terrible 3triple bolts? earth bolts are the biggest chunks of matter ive seen on the dmg alone..
Wiz main and obsessive theorycrafter, here! The most damage potential you'd want (and I don't think any one character can do this much potential damage by themselves), is being high enough RR to make a 48 earth, 24 fire spec work. You can red debuff heat and matter and do a 309 matter bolt, and 239 fire bolt, and a 133 fire bolt if you wanted. Alternately, you could go 46 earth, 28 fire and you'd have the 170 bolt over the 133 (and yellow matter debuff instead of red), and less variance on your base nuke. Now, if all the stars align and you can manage to get a red heat + matter debuff and throw both 2 big bolts, and put a VP in there to hit at the same time as one of them, and you're talking big damage. With the high rr your base heat nuke with heat debuff will be SWINGING pretty consistently once you're around 43 effective or so. I am still constantly considering various specs but I am thinking I am settling on 48 earth, 24 fire and mostly disregarding the low end spec fire bolt. It isn't super hard to get the debuffs off before you bolt, but you're going to have to be in 1500 range, which isn't a huge deal. Even though the above situation isn't going to be the norm, it feels damn good when you can make it happen and you can rest easy with your red near sight, red aoe root, aoe snare... etc. Earth is sick.
The big sexy is getting a big crit 331delve fire bolt after debuffs and landing a VP at the same time as it lands. Guaranteed to put a smile on your face. If you have a sorc or another earth wizzie that you run with consistently, I would rec staying fire because with debuffs, that character SWINGS!
Don't bolts go against AF not element resist? Is that different here?
Wed 13 Mar 2019 2:49 PM
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antiflagdan
They can be physically blocked and miss instead of be resisted but they are heat and matter for wiz and after debuff the damage goes up a ton, so the magical type is definitely a factor
Fri 15 Mar 2019 2:06 PM
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mrvls
I think nothing can beat an Animist left free. Altought both baseline and spec damage spell on his Arboreal path are among the weakest in termn of DPS comined with the lowest Dex score for a caster, he kinda "assist" himself with the delayed bombers + lifetap combo. Never did the math tho, and you won't use this combo as often as you want without optimum configuration (aka a team).
In term of pure DPS, dark sm has the strongest spell in the game: 183 * 9% / 2.5s.
Now of course bolts are very effective to put down cloth wearer. You probably won't be able to touch them clother wearer without exposing yourself tho.
In term of pure DPS, dark sm has the strongest spell in the game: 183 * 9% / 2.5s.
Now of course bolts are very effective to put down cloth wearer. You probably won't be able to touch them clother wearer without exposing yourself tho.
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