Luluko wrote: ↑Wed 27 Feb 2019 3:54 PMthey are still good but a pain to play if they use a pet they should be op if they bother to twist chants every 5seconds and you also need to have the pet in target all the time when you just roam and want speed. A well played skald can still kill most of them except for some try hards. Which use every exploit possible which got fixed on live already. But luckily I only saw one minstrel abusing it.
skalds only have a 2sec stun 2style chain on hammer and after parry 2 style chain 7 sec compared to a 9sec instant stun on minstrel even tho the duration can be negated by resists and det how many skalds have you fought which actually have det9? My skald is rr5 I have tireless/lw/sos2/ip2/purge3 and mastery of focus 2 because singlemezz gets resistet like 20% of the time and then its on cooldown for 30seconds while minstrel stun has 10sec cooldown even if it gets resisted you should be able to try 2 stuns vs a skald in 1vs1 and even with det you can use a snare style and try to mezz or sos. Also it helps to bait skald snare early before you engage so that he cant close the gap again.lilrdmandy wrote: ↑Wed 27 Feb 2019 10:11 PMLuluko wrote: ↑Wed 27 Feb 2019 3:54 PMthey are still good but a pain to play if they use a pet they should be op if they bother to twist chants every 5seconds and you also need to have the pet in target all the time when you just roam and want speed. A well played skald can still kill most of them except for some try hards. Which use every exploit possible which got fixed on live already. But luckily I only saw one minstrel abusing it.
Skald here have access to determination which isn't OF, and also they and bards have access to SoS which isn't OF either. I've also been told Skalds have been given more/better hp table than live. Whereas minstrels have a hard cap on pet (despite it taking more skill to twist songs and control/target the pet to keep it charmed and actually fight anything) and no access to Determination.
Sub-50 skalds here can pretty much faceroll and kill a minstrel here with det 9 since stun lasts 1 second, and if they get low they can just insta mez, and side style while strafing for a stun with hammers. Can only purge 1 of the two and they are using a 2 handed hammer, which beats your face in (including the red pet if you have one charmed while stunned)
Please nerf us more!
Shadanwolf wrote: ↑Wed 27 Feb 2019 3:18 PM-top end speed
-insta stun
-high level pet
-heck of a lot better mele than bard
They cover huge areas of the frontier looking for solo enemy and execute them.
gruenesschaf
sprinkle wrote: ↑Thu 28 Feb 2019 6:09 PMbards are not op at all lol
I 1 shotted one yesterday with a bolt and yelled out WOHOO
Shadanwolf wrote: ↑Wed 27 Feb 2019 3:18 PM-top end speed
-insta stun
-high level pet
-heck of a lot better mele than bard
They cover huge areas of the frontier looking for solo enemy and execute them.
Shadanwolf wrote: ↑Fri 1 Mar 2019 11:04 AMNO CLASS comes close to this list of abilities.
_stealth and mastery of stealth
-high level pet( negating their personal need to have strong mele abilities)
- insta stun
-top end speed
-mez,and AOE mez
-climb walls
-health regen
-DD insta spell
-cure mez
-power regen
-not leather,not reinforced but CHAIN armor
and to apply all of these abilities... endless top end speed to run down all but another top speed class. Speed that lets them have access to hunt down players in vast frontier areas. They scour many out of the way areas others cannot easily do.
Dariussdars wrote: ↑Fri 1 Mar 2019 11:22 PMMinstrel is obviously an under powered class, everyone playing them must be gluttons for punishment. If the class was actually any good, there would be tons of them running around solo Pvping in every zone. Err, never mind.
Tavi wrote: ↑Fri 1 Mar 2019 12:24 PMShadanwolf wrote: ↑Fri 1 Mar 2019 11:04 AMNO CLASS comes close to this list of abilities.
_stealth and mastery of stealth
-high level pet( negating their personal need to have strong mele abilities)
- insta stun
-top end speed
-mez,and AOE mez
-climb walls
-health regen
-DD insta spell
-cure mez
-power regen
-not leather,not reinforced but CHAIN armor
and to apply all of these abilities... endless top end speed to run down all but another top speed class. Speed that lets them have access to hunt down players in vast frontier areas. They scour many out of the way areas others cannot easily do.
Eldrich:
Stunn
Nearsight
Mesmerize (AoE)
Damage Speed Decrease
Direct Damage (PBAoE)
Strength Constitution Debuff (Inst)
Disease
Damage Speed Decrease (AoE)
Disease (AoE)
Strength Constitution Debuff (AoE, Inst)
Bolt
Strength Debuff (Inst)
Dexterity Debuff (Inst)
Imho nerf every utility class...
No for real now, you cannot just name spells and then expect ppl to understand your argument....
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑Sat 2 Mar 2019 5:42 AMLower HP's. Dies a hell of a lot faster than a Minstrel. Period.
teiloh wrote: ↑Sat 2 Mar 2019 1:09 AMDariussdars wrote: ↑Fri 1 Mar 2019 11:22 PMMinstrel is obviously an under powered class, everyone playing them must be gluttons for punishment. If the class was actually any good, there would be tons of them running around solo Pvping in every zone. Err, never mind.
Skalds are obviously an underpowered class, everyone playing them must be so jealous of Minstrels. If they could compare, there would be tons more of them than Minstrels on at any given period of time for the entire history of this server. Errr , never mind.
And coming from a BD player ...
LMAO
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑Sat 2 Mar 2019 9:34 AMLast I checked Minstrels could get some pretty mean nuking pets while hitting you with their shouts and also meleeing you all at the same time. While wearing chainmail. And having mezz/stun.
Last I checked an Eldritch could put out the numbers you mentioned but don't have nuking pet that can insta-cc break for them (Chanter pets can't do this so don't even bring them up), don't have mezz (yes they have stun) don't have chainmail and don't have speccable weapon, climb walls, stealth, or top tier speed.
Dariussdars wrote: ↑Sat 2 Mar 2019 10:52 AMIs there any class that you don't cry about? You are the typical "every Alb class sucks" Alb that has plagued this game since release.
teiloh wrote: ↑Sat 2 Mar 2019 6:45 PMCadebrennus wrote: ↑Sat 2 Mar 2019 9:34 AMLast I checked Minstrels could get some pretty mean nuking pets while hitting you with their shouts and also meleeing you all at the same time. While wearing chainmail. And having mezz/stun.
Last I checked an Eldritch could put out the numbers you mentioned but don't have nuking pet that can insta-cc break for them (Chanter pets can't do this so don't even bring them up), don't have mezz (yes they have stun) don't have chainmail and don't have speccable weapon, climb walls, stealth, or top tier speed.
huhu uh hu uhh rr.. ..
By "mean nuking pets" you must mean the Ellyl sage, the highest DPS nuking pet Minstrels have - they nuke for 100-125 on Phoenix, or 200-250 on live. Wow, put four of them together and they might do Eld DPS! A real "mean nuking pet" would be my BD's warmage, which regularly crits high RRs with 40%+ body sist for 170-250 every 2 seconds, unbuffed.
Last you checked, Eldritches didn't have mez? Maybe you were drinking "last you checked"? Eldritches have AOE mez in Light - and unlike the garbage Minstrel AOE mez, it takes 3 seconds to cast, and has a proper (350) radius! The more you know! Oh, they also have red NS, dex/qui debuff, dex and str debuffs, a stun that can be spammed at range, etc. Go ahead, give Minstrels Eld Light spec, in exchange for chain - you'll regret the day you were born.
Oh and Mentalists have the same pet CC break ... except they have AOE nukes, 300-600 DPS nuke just like Elds, they can heal, they can mez, they can cure mez ... except all that is supported by their range and caster RAs.
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑Sat 2 Mar 2019 7:57 PM
teiloh wrote: ↑Sat 2 Mar 2019 6:50 PMDariussdars wrote: ↑Sat 2 Mar 2019 10:52 AMIs there any class that you don't cry about? You are the typical "every Alb class sucks" Alb that has plagued this game since release.
It's called "game balance" bruh, I played Minstrel/Heretic/BD/Healer/Druid/Bard to high rank on live.
And the Devs seem to agree - planning more Friar changes. They even joked about WIzards being underpowered in this very thread.
Honestly, you should just play the game and keep the board clear of your extraneous comments.
Dariussdars wrote: ↑Sat 2 Mar 2019 10:06 PMLOL. Keep crying then I guess. I do just play the game, and don't constantly cry about overpowered classes like you do. That is all your post history is. Doesn't it get old crying about every non Alb class? Do you even consider that several Alb classes are borderline overpowered too?
teiloh wrote: ↑Sun 3 Mar 2019 1:29 AMDariussdars wrote: ↑Sat 2 Mar 2019 10:06 PMLOL. Keep crying then I guess. I do just play the game, and don't constantly cry about overpowered classes like you do. That is all your post history is. Doesn't it get old crying about every non Alb class? Do you even consider that several Alb classes are borderline overpowered too?
Coming from the guy who plays Bonedancers and moans so much about Minstrels that you even had to get on Alb /advice and cry about it!
I just know game balance well and want this server to succeed, so I give good suggestions. Meanwhile, you're still overflowing with tears about Minstrels ;_;
Dariussdars wrote: ↑Sun 3 Mar 2019 8:08 AMI haven't died once to a solo Minstrel on my BD, they are all easy kills. The only suggestions you offer are calls to nerf other classes. Alb has some very strong classes, as do Mid and Hib. Try playing the game, and stop asking for nerfs.
The healer pets seem to be almost completely useless, at least with a split spec. I stupidly never tried a high supp spec before dinging 50, so have no idea how the higher level healers do. I agree the top mage pets do hit a little too hard, if they are allowed to free cast.teiloh wrote: ↑Sun 3 Mar 2019 8:18 AMDariussdars wrote: ↑Sun 3 Mar 2019 8:08 AMI haven't died once to a solo Minstrel on my BD, they are all easy kills. The only suggestions you offer are calls to nerf other classes. Alb has some very strong classes, as do Mid and Hib. Try playing the game, and stop asking for nerfs.
Uh nope. I do like some posts calling for nerfs though, just because it's funny.
For BDs all I'd do is normalize bonemage casting speeds at 2.5/3, put them all on body damage type if they're cold, give bonemage about 30% drain on their LT, and lower bone healer casting speed to around 3.2 as it was in 1.65
Though the resist debuff interrupting might need to be looked at.
Dariussdars wrote: ↑Sun 3 Mar 2019 8:21 AMThe healer pets seem to be almost completely useless, at least with a split spec. I stupidly never tried a high supp spec before dinging 50, so have no idea how the higher level healers do. I agree the top mage pets do hit a little too hard, if they are allowed to free cast.
teiloh wrote: ↑Sun 3 Mar 2019 8:23 AMDariussdars wrote: ↑Sun 3 Mar 2019 8:21 AMThe healer pets seem to be almost completely useless, at least with a split spec. I stupidly never tried a high supp spec before dinging 50, so have no idea how the higher level healers do. I agree the top mage pets do hit a little too hard, if they are allowed to free cast.
Healers definitely cast notably slower on Phoenix and the casters cast much, much faster than on live.
On live it was like 3/3.5 for casters and 3.2-3.5 for Healers, here it's 2/2 or 2/3 (or 3/3 for Diviners) on casters and 4 on healers.
Dariussdars wrote: ↑Sun 3 Mar 2019 8:30 AMAnyways, Minstrels are fine, no need to nerf the class. Only a few of them out there that seem to know how to play the class well, the rest are easy Rps.
teiloh wrote: ↑Sun 3 Mar 2019 8:43 AMDariussdars wrote: ↑Sun 3 Mar 2019 8:30 AMAnyways, Minstrels are fine, no need to nerf the class. Only a few of them out there that seem to know how to play the class well, the rest are easy Rps.
Yet I recognize Cadebrennus' "nerf minstrel" posts from 15+ years ago.
He has never stopped.
teiloh wrote: ↑Sun 3 Mar 2019 8:43 AMDariussdars wrote: ↑Sun 3 Mar 2019 8:30 AMAnyways, Minstrels are fine, no need to nerf the class. Only a few of them out there that seem to know how to play the class well, the rest are easy Rps.
Yet I recognize Cadebrennus' "nerf minstrel" posts from 15+ years ago.
He has never stopped.
teiloh wrote: ↑Sun 3 Mar 2019 8:23 AMDariussdars wrote: ↑Sun 3 Mar 2019 8:21 AMThe healer pets seem to be almost completely useless, at least with a split spec. I stupidly never tried a high supp spec before dinging 50, so have no idea how the higher level healers do. I agree the top mage pets do hit a little too hard, if they are allowed to free cast.
Healers definitely cast notably slower on Phoenix and the casters cast much, much faster than on live.
On live it was like 3/3.5 for casters and 3.2-3.5 for Healers, here it's 2/2 or 2/3 (or 3/3 for Diviners) on casters and 4 on healers.
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