Battlegrounds populations in new /serverinfo panel

First off love the new /serverinfo command! Suggestion:

I've levelled up a bunch of alts to Thid levels, and all along the way when nearing the 20's my groupmates are all about Thid until they see that there's no one there in our realm, so they assume there's nobody there at all. I think if you included population information for total people in the BGs, it would help drive participation - as of now people seem to blow right past it because they think it's always dead.

Doesn't have to give super specific info like realm population or class breakdown, just a raw number of total people in the Battleground might make a big difference. If you want to give more specific information maybe /bginfo command or some such to not clutter up the /serverinfo.

Thu 12 Jul 2018 9:42 PM by Myr

/who thid should work iirc. I know /who darkness shows players in df.
Tried taking thid ck with a fg yesterday but the doors were bugged. Completely understandable being beta and all. Bgs will probably be more populated in the future once the kinks are worked out

Thu 12 Jul 2018 10:21 PM by Somalia

/who thid will only show players in your own realm who are not anon

I'm asking to be able to see a full population representation across all 3 realms, ie - when Albs say "probably no action" it'd be nice to be able to say "/serverinfo shows 3 players in Thid and we know none of em are Albs cause /who thid is empty, let's go get em!"

And I agree, but we need to play in the BGs to find the kinks.

I'd love to have tools to help me convince people to go to the BGs, that there's a reason to go.

Fri 13 Jul 2018 8:07 PM by Seigmoraig

This is a really great suggestion although it is a double edged sword. Right now if you /who thid it will tell you that there is nobody on your realm currently in the BG but you could still snoop around to see if you can find some baddies to smash.
If you /who thid and it tells you that there is nobody AT ALL in the BG you won't be bothered to go run around there if you know 100% that there is nobody in the BG

Best way to get people in a BG is to add some good exp camps, comparable to frontier XP.
This is actually the only reason I have to go back on Live, leveling in BGs is so much fun. Now i'm definately not suggesting that they add super exp/free gear repeatable quests here, but just have some camps that give good xp would enough to drive people out there

Fri 13 Jul 2018 9:04 PM by Somalia

If you /who thid and it tells you that there is nobody AT ALL in the BG you won't be bothered to go run around there if you know 100% that there is nobody in the BG

Ok but you're missing one crucial difference - with my suggestion you now know that the other realms will know you're there. So I can go there when it's empty and I can be absolutely sure that the other realms will be able to know that I'm there, which will drive participation from the other side as well. Right now you go there and just hope that someone might be there, but with this suggestion you can go there knowing that they'll see your presence - that's a big difference.

I like your XP idea too, I remember levelling completely in the BGs when live made those sorts of changes.

Sat 14 Jul 2018 6:09 PM by Seigmoraig

Somalia wrote: ↑
Fri 13 Jul 2018 9:04 PM
If you /who thid and it tells you that there is nobody AT ALL in the BG you won't be bothered to go run around there if you know 100% that there is nobody in the BG

Ok but you're missing one crucial difference - with my suggestion you now know that the other realms will know you're there. So I can go there when it's empty and I can be absolutely sure that the other realms will be able to know that I'm there, which will drive participation from the other side as well. Right now you go there and just hope that someone might be there, but with this suggestion you can go there knowing that they'll see your presence - that's a big difference.

I like your XP idea too, I remember levelling completely in the BGs when live made those sorts of changes.

Well said sir, your argument has convinced me !

phoenix plz

Sat 14 Jul 2018 7:30 PM by Tyton

Somalia wrote: ↑
Fri 13 Jul 2018 9:04 PM
If you /who thid and it tells you that there is nobody AT ALL in the BG you won't be bothered to go run around there if you know 100% that there is nobody in the BG

Ok but you're missing one crucial difference - with my suggestion you now know that the other realms will know you're there. So I can go there when it's empty and I can be absolutely sure that the other realms will be able to know that I'm there, which will drive participation from the other side as well. Right now you go there and just hope that someone might be there, but with this suggestion you can go there knowing that they'll see your presence - that's a big difference.

I like your XP idea too, I remember levelling completely in the BGs when live made those sorts of changes.

Perhaps something like how when you owned a keep, the system would prompt you that X amount of enemies were in the area. Maybe it wouldn't have to be that specific, but something like if you fall into a level range, it will prompt you that enemies are trespassing Thidranki, etc.

Mon 16 Jul 2018 1:35 PM by heardstheword

I'm down for this as long as it just shows a number and not realm/class specific.

Thidranki: 4

Rather than:
Thid/Mid: 1
Thid/Hib: 3

Mon 16 Jul 2018 2:17 PM by sebbo

Sounds good, but will probably a backfire.

Imagine the following:

Situation on /who thid enabled like you suggested:

10:43 am: 2 Hibs, separately, want to go to Thidranki.
10:43 am: Both check /who thid - no enemy there.
10:43 am: 1 Hib logs out, the other decides to level on an alt or play his lvl 50.
10:45 am: 1 Mid decides to go to Thid. /who shows him: no action. He logs.

Situation on /who thid disabled:

10:43 am: 2 Hibs, separately, want to go to Thidranki
10:43 am: Both hibs are in Thidranki to look out for enemies, since they dont know if there are any enemies.
10:45 am: 1 Mid goes to Thid, since he has to check if theres enemies by himself.

Action commences.

And, while talking about a 2 edged sword:

1 Player wants to go to Thidranki. Since he does /who thid and sees: 0 from his own realm, 5 enemies (combined).
You know, players dont like to lose, and in 9/10 situations they prefer to outnumber the enemy. So he gathers some other players, making a group of 5.
Meanwhile, 5 enemies have some 1vs1 fun in Thidranki (not organized, they run into each other occasionally).

Now since they all play solo, they get insta roflstomped by a group of 5 enemies. In most cases, those players will log out or do something else.

No action.

See the problem?

Mon 16 Jul 2018 2:42 PM by Shadanwolf

We should never know how many enemy are in a given BG.This give a huge advantage knowing all you have to do is find the person you KNOW is there....unless you as a player go anon so enemy cannot KNOW you are there. I know some players hunt others based on their knowledge someone is there.

Mon 16 Jul 2018 2:53 PM by Tyton

Yes sebbo I was just going to say this could backfire. If you see that there's no enemy, why would you go there looking for them? Def a good point.

Tue 17 Jul 2018 8:01 AM by alusnova415

Perhaps what the BG's need is double XP bonus and say 25% RP bonus, this won't break the game as there is already a cap for the BG but at least we can go exp and wait for fights .