Should ability like SoS exist with no speedwarps?

Just a question, i'm not sure myself.

I do like SoSing in when i play champ and just murdering some poor caster or being able to SoS away from the zerg but it also goes the other way, zerg just using SoS to run at you feels disgusting and very unfun to play.

Big yikes

Mon 25 Feb 2019 10:16 AM by dudis

It doesnt feel like people really ever use SoS offensively, although you obviously could.

I want speedwarps to be introduced to the server (but with short duration, 20-30 sec). SoS should stay though, speedwarps or not.

Mon 25 Feb 2019 1:00 PM by Cwtch

yes

every realm has access to it... so no reason to not want it. apart from people moaning they didnt get their RPs rom a skald/mincer/bard they was about to kill before he Sos'd away

Mon 25 Feb 2019 6:24 PM by teiloh

Hib and Mid should not get SOS on this server, with the RAs/ruleset as they are.

Mon 25 Feb 2019 7:53 PM by Quik

teiloh wrote: ↑
Mon 25 Feb 2019 6:24 PM
Hib and Mid should not get SOS on this server, with the RAs/ruleset as they are.

I'm guessing you are from Alb?

And in case you haven't noticed, the 1.65 ruleset is really more of a basic guide before all the QoL improved it, including giving SoS to every realm and not favoring just Albs =)

Mon 25 Feb 2019 8:21 PM by teiloh

Quik wrote: ↑
Mon 25 Feb 2019 7:53 PM
And in case you haven't noticed, the 1.65 ruleset is really more of a basic guide before all the QoL improved it, including giving SoS to every realm and not favoring just Albs =)

Nope. I had high ranks on all realms live, and I play Alb and Mid both now.

The game never favored Alb and never has. Around 1.65, SoS and BOF are what made Alb relatively balanced by covering severe shortcomings (even though skill cap is higher and groups were still harder to make).

Here, Midgard has everything handed to it (including some non-historical buffs, like much faster BD dark pet casting) and Alb has taken several nerfs on top of losing the RA setups they depended on.

Once again, Hib and especially Mid should not get SoS on a no-speedwarp, no-ToA ruleset. Doubly so where Alb pets have been nerfed/bugged.

Mon 25 Feb 2019 8:37 PM by Luluko

teiloh wrote: ↑
Mon 25 Feb 2019 8:21 PM
Once again, Hib and especially Mid should not get SoS on a no-speedwarp, no-ToA ruleset. Doubly so where Alb pets have been nerfed/bugged.

then dont play alb if it is so bad there, I am sure hundred of skalds would quit if you take sos away its one of the good ra's especially if you wanna solo and not die to instant amnesia or fgs coming over a hill and running directly in them. And even then you often die so fast that even sos wont save you.

Mon 25 Feb 2019 8:44 PM by teiloh

Luluko wrote: ↑
Mon 25 Feb 2019 8:37 PM
teiloh wrote: ↑
Mon 25 Feb 2019 8:21 PM
Once again, Hib and especially Mid should not get SoS on a no-speedwarp, no-ToA ruleset. Doubly so where Alb pets have been nerfed/bugged.

then dont play alb if it is so bad there, I am sure hundred of skalds would quit if you take sos away its one of the good ra's especially if you wanna solo and not die to instant amnesia or fgs coming over a hill and running directly in them. And even then you often die so fast that even sos wont save you.

There are 180 Skalds on. The most populated class.

120 Minstrels.

Mon 25 Feb 2019 8:48 PM by Quik

teiloh wrote: ↑
Mon 25 Feb 2019 8:44 PM
Luluko wrote: ↑
Mon 25 Feb 2019 8:37 PM
teiloh wrote: ↑
Mon 25 Feb 2019 8:21 PM
Once again, Hib and especially Mid should not get SoS on a no-speedwarp, no-ToA ruleset. Doubly so where Alb pets have been nerfed/bugged.

then dont play alb if it is so bad there, I am sure hundred of skalds would quit if you take sos away its one of the good ra's especially if you wanna solo and not die to instant amnesia or fgs coming over a hill and running directly in them. And even then you often die so fast that even sos wont save you.

There are 180 Skalds on. The most populated class.

120 Minstrels.

There were more Minstrels, but the Skalds kept pounding them down so hard they quit and moved to mid and made more Skalds =)

Mon 25 Feb 2019 8:54 PM by Luluko

teiloh wrote: ↑
Mon 25 Feb 2019 8:44 PM
Luluko wrote: ↑
Mon 25 Feb 2019 8:37 PM
teiloh wrote: ↑
Mon 25 Feb 2019 8:21 PM
Once again, Hib and especially Mid should not get SoS on a no-speedwarp, no-ToA ruleset. Doubly so where Alb pets have been nerfed/bugged.

then dont play alb if it is so bad there, I am sure hundred of skalds would quit if you take sos away its one of the good ra's especially if you wanna solo and not die to instant amnesia or fgs coming over a hill and running directly in them. And even then you often die so fast that even sos wont save you.

There are 180 Skalds on. The most populated class.

120 Minstrels.

Yeah but sos isnt the reason the numbers were reversed if we had 2 active chants and everyone would play a petstrel with self demezz/deroot thanks to pet. The reason skalds can do more dps and has more defensive when it comes to fighting other melees but skald doesnt have demezz for the grp and is really just a speedbot with some rupt and a little damage assist with sos. A good minstrel with a pet/self demezz/demezz/sos/rupt/longer mezz and not on a cd is worth a lot more but it sucks to solo with just 1 active chant and no pet with you. And constant switching is too bothersome for most people.

Mon 25 Feb 2019 9:05 PM by teiloh

Luluko wrote: ↑
Mon 25 Feb 2019 8:54 PM
Yeah but sos isnt the reason the numbers were reversed if we had 2 active chants and everyone would play a petstrel with self demezz/deroot thanks to pet. The reason skalds can do more dps and has more defensive when it comes to fighting other melees but skald doesnt have demezz for the grp and is really just a speedbot with some rupt and a little damage assist with sos. A good minstrel with a pet/self demezz/demezz/sos/rupt/longer mezz and not on a cd is worth a lot more but it sucks to solo with just 1 active chant and no pet with you. And constant switching is too bothersome for most people.

Skalds don't need to demezz because Mids always have two demezzers, and they don't have to break position and sheathe weapon to do it.

Mon 25 Feb 2019 9:12 PM by Luluko

teiloh wrote: ↑
Mon 25 Feb 2019 9:05 PM
Luluko wrote: ↑
Mon 25 Feb 2019 8:54 PM
Yeah but sos isnt the reason the numbers were reversed if we had 2 active chants and everyone would play a petstrel with self demezz/deroot thanks to pet. The reason skalds can do more dps and has more defensive when it comes to fighting other melees but skald doesnt have demezz for the grp and is really just a speedbot with some rupt and a little damage assist with sos. A good minstrel with a pet/self demezz/demezz/sos/rupt/longer mezz and not on a cd is worth a lot more but it sucks to solo with just 1 active chant and no pet with you. And constant switching is too bothersome for most people.

Skalds don't need to demezz because Mids always have two demezzers, and they don't have to break position and sheathe weapon to do it.

I am just saying they bring less to a grp than minstrel and the reason they are played that much is their solo potenial and prlly also because its easier to play them and easier to get grps in mid. But its not because of sos.

Mon 25 Feb 2019 10:27 PM by lilrdmandy

SoS should be Alb only... If not then how about you give minstrels access to Determination like they added for Skalds?

Mon 25 Feb 2019 10:30 PM by Quik

lilrdmandy wrote: ↑
Mon 25 Feb 2019 10:27 PM
SoS should be Alb only... If not then how about you give minstrels access to Determination like they added for Skalds?

Sure when Skalds can have a pet...

We can go back and forth on this all day.

DAoC added SoS to all realms because it wasn't fair for it to be alb only

Mon 25 Feb 2019 10:34 PM by teiloh

Quik wrote: ↑
Mon 25 Feb 2019 10:30 PM
lilrdmandy wrote: ↑
Mon 25 Feb 2019 10:27 PM
SoS should be Alb only... If not then how about you give minstrels access to Determination like they added for Skalds?

Sure when Skalds can have a pet...

We can go back and forth on this all day.

DAoC added SoS to all realms because it wasn't fair for it to be alb only

No, they added SoS to all realms because all RAs were being homogenized. They didn't think the part through where it disproportionately harmed Alb.

But on live, Speedwarps and ToA bonuses existed, so hitting SoS on inc whenever it was up was not the default behavior of every single Mid and Hib group. But speedwarps don't exist here and Sorc casted mez isn't enough to make up for a lack of instas without 10% TOA casting bonus and 101 Dex.

Mon 25 Feb 2019 10:42 PM by Sepplord

I bet hib would Love grp-purge back when you take away sos

And ichor mid only is also very strong because it resets immunities

SOS wasn t Simply given without downsides

Mon 25 Feb 2019 11:01 PM by teiloh

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 25 Feb 2019 10:42 PM
I bet hib would Love grp-purge back when you take away sos

And ichor mid only is also very strong because it resets immunities

SOS wasn t Simply given without downsides

I'd be fine with OF RAs, as far as class specific RAs go.

Mon 25 Feb 2019 11:26 PM by lilrdmandy

Quik wrote: ↑
Mon 25 Feb 2019 10:30 PM
lilrdmandy wrote: ↑
Mon 25 Feb 2019 10:27 PM
SoS should be Alb only... If not then how about you give minstrels access to Determination like they added for Skalds?

Sure when Skalds can have a pet...

We can go back and forth on this all day.

DAoC added SoS to all realms because it wasn't fair for it to be alb only

Minstrel pet and resist rate on charm is changed here because they felt like nerfing and hard-capping charm at 58, who cares if it takes skill and is difficult to manage the pet.

In addition skalds apparently have buffed HP here (in addition to Determination, which minstrels do not have).

So how about we even out these first? 2 skald buffs, 2 minstrel nerfs.

Mon 25 Feb 2019 11:54 PM by Luluko

lilrdmandy wrote: ↑
Mon 25 Feb 2019 11:26 PM
Quik wrote: ↑
Mon 25 Feb 2019 10:30 PM
lilrdmandy wrote: ↑
Mon 25 Feb 2019 10:27 PM
SoS should be Alb only... If not then how about you give minstrels access to Determination like they added for Skalds?

Sure when Skalds can have a pet...

We can go back and forth on this all day.

DAoC added SoS to all realms because it wasn't fair for it to be alb only

Minstrel pet and resist rate on charm is changed here because they felt like nerfing and hard-capping charm at 58, who cares if it takes skill and is difficult to manage the pet.

In addition skalds apparently have buffed HP here (in addition to Determination, which minstrels do not have).

So how about we even out these first? 2 skald buffs, 2 minstrel nerfs.

you assume they started even in the first place, minstrel has longer and casteable mezz which is not on a cd and has also demezz if you give that skald sure I would sacrifice the hp and minstrels can have det no problem here, not that a minstrel really needs det with pet demezz/deroot tho

Tue 26 Feb 2019 12:09 AM by teiloh

Luluko wrote: ↑
Mon 25 Feb 2019 11:54 PM
you assume they started even in the first place, minstrel has longer and casteable mezz which is not on a cd and has also demezz if you give that skald sure I would sacrifice the hp and minstrels can have det no problem here, not that a minstrel really needs det with pet demezz/deroot tho

Be sure to give up 2h, higher weaponskill table, instant songs, resist chants, and ranged snare while you're at it.

Don't pretend Skald isn't good.