Simple suggestion, I would like it if Armsman either got Snapshot naturally at 25 (if possible) or follow live and give Snapshot to armsman for specializing 25 points into crossbow. It's a valuable tool for the solo armsman chasing after targets or finishing a fleeing target off. It was disheartening not being able to attain the skill in the game currently.
Give Armsman Snapshot
Started 19 Feb 2019
by
Ketheryll
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Tue 19 Feb 2019 8:53 AM
by
Kampfar
Cool. Throwing while running for warrior too pls
Tue 19 Feb 2019 9:01 AM
by
Druth
Make TWF/Ichor/VP etc castable on the run as well.
We need more interrupts in the game that doesn't require you to think.
We need more interrupts in the game that doesn't require you to think.
Tue 19 Feb 2019 10:20 AM
by
inoeth
plz no!
it was literally not possible to escape from armsmen. too op imo
it was literally not possible to escape from armsmen. too op imo
Tue 19 Feb 2019 3:08 PM
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Horus
Why not just spec X-Bow and get a couple items with DD charges?
You could be the most powerful archer on Phoenix. Everyone seems to think archers should spec melee anyway. What better way than to have one of the better melee classes in the game to begin with add the same bow dmg as archers get? Sure you would not have crit shot or stealth but those are not worth much in the way Phoenix is currently setup.
You could be the most powerful archer on Phoenix. Everyone seems to think archers should spec melee anyway. What better way than to have one of the better melee classes in the game to begin with add the same bow dmg as archers get? Sure you would not have crit shot or stealth but those are not worth much in the way Phoenix is currently setup.
Tue 19 Feb 2019 5:51 PM
by
Ketheryll
@Inoeth it has a long cooldown so you can't use it in every encounter
@Druth Those have never been a castable on the run because they've always been a strong tool used in team fights that generally put out more damage than snapshot will. Also the main consensus it seems is, as an armsman im useless and will have wished I rolled a caster by the time I hit 50 in rvr.
@Kampfar Honestly I feel your pain on that one, having played a warrior on live off and on for years. Wish they had given something of a similar nature to warriors.
My main point of this all is, snapshot used to be the armsman rr5 until mythic finally noticed that most armsman rarely used it and it wasn't beneficial as a rr5 so they replaced it with something else and instead decided to make it available at 25 crossbow as an assistance tool if you were brave or daft enough to spec into it. In fact every armsman i've ever talked to shrugs it off and I find that I am one of the few that actually utilizes this god send in solo play instead of allowing myself to be kited to death and/or finish off fleeing targets. Though it may "seem" strong it is actually fairly balanced overall due to the damage output of an armsman's crossbow when given the long cooldown after it ends.
Either way that is just my suggestion and opinion. It's ultimately up to the devs of the server.
@Druth Those have never been a castable on the run because they've always been a strong tool used in team fights that generally put out more damage than snapshot will. Also the main consensus it seems is, as an armsman im useless and will have wished I rolled a caster by the time I hit 50 in rvr.
@Kampfar Honestly I feel your pain on that one, having played a warrior on live off and on for years. Wish they had given something of a similar nature to warriors.
My main point of this all is, snapshot used to be the armsman rr5 until mythic finally noticed that most armsman rarely used it and it wasn't beneficial as a rr5 so they replaced it with something else and instead decided to make it available at 25 crossbow as an assistance tool if you were brave or daft enough to spec into it. In fact every armsman i've ever talked to shrugs it off and I find that I am one of the few that actually utilizes this god send in solo play instead of allowing myself to be kited to death and/or finish off fleeing targets. Though it may "seem" strong it is actually fairly balanced overall due to the damage output of an armsman's crossbow when given the long cooldown after it ends.
Either way that is just my suggestion and opinion. It's ultimately up to the devs of the server.
Wed 20 Feb 2019 7:55 AM
by
inoeth
Ketheryll wrote: ↑Tue 19 Feb 2019 5:51 PM@Inoeth it has a long cooldown so you can't use it in every encounter
@Druth Those have never been a castable on the run because they've always been a strong tool used in team fights that generally put out more damage than snapshot will. Also the main consensus it seems is, as an armsman im useless and will have wished I rolled a caster by the time I hit 50 in rvr.
@Kampfar Honestly I feel your pain on that one, having played a warrior on live off and on for years. Wish they had given something of a similar nature to warriors.
My main point of this all is, snapshot used to be the armsman rr5 until mythic finally noticed that most armsman rarely used it and it wasn't beneficial as a rr5 so they replaced it with something else and instead decided to make it available at 25 crossbow as an assistance tool if you were brave or daft enough to spec into it. In fact every armsman i've ever talked to shrugs it off and I find that I am one of the few that actually utilizes this god send in solo play instead of allowing myself to be kited to death and/or finish off fleeing targets. Though it may "seem" strong it is actually fairly balanced overall due to the damage output of an armsman's crossbow when given the long cooldown after it ends.
Either way that is just my suggestion and opinion. It's ultimately up to the devs of the server.
you dont need it on every ancounter so you will have it rdy when someone wants to disengage ..... like always!
Wed 20 Feb 2019 8:09 AM
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Druth
Ketheryll wrote: ↑Tue 19 Feb 2019 5:51 PM@Druth Those have never been a castable on the run because they've always been a strong tool used in team fights that generally put out more damage than snapshot will. Also the main consensus it seems is, as an armsman im useless and will have wished I rolled a caster by the time I hit 50 in rvr.
Armsman is the best tank in the game, because Polearm is the best weaponspec in the game. And if you feel useless it's due to Alb group setups not running melee, or you.
Hero/warrior dream of being armsmen.
And hero dreams of having some sort of ranged interrupt while being rooted/snared.
Roll a caster, but be warned they also can't cast while running, unless they are BD's.
Wed 20 Feb 2019 4:41 PM
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Horus
You realize bow spec on archer is the same damage mechanic as Xbow spec on a Armsman, right?
So you must be saying archer bow damage is garbage too.
Wed 20 Feb 2019 4:47 PM
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Bradekes
Horus wrote: ↑Wed 20 Feb 2019 4:41 PMYou realize bow spec on archer is the same damage mechanic as Xbow spec on a Armsman, right?
So you must be saying archer bow damage is garbage too.
It's not the same damage. I tested in beta only hit target dummy like 120 or so with saracen full aug dex fully buff pots/charge 50 xbox.. It's garbage... My main was ranger on beta it's no where close to 300+ dmg on dummy
Wed 20 Feb 2019 5:42 PM
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jg777
Crossbows should be a Mercenary skill not Armsman honestly. Crossbows can be preloaded so the Snapshot ability should be a one time instant shot fired with a -50% damage as normal but a 25% 10sec snare attached in my opinion. Additionally, Crossbow damage could easily be doubled over all, the damage is ridiculously low and that’s why nobody specced into it and just used it for pulling PvE mobs.
Running while shooting sounds ridiculous however, no matter the damage output. Nobody can run and load a crossbow simultaneously.
Running while shooting sounds ridiculous however, no matter the damage output. Nobody can run and load a crossbow simultaneously.
Thu 21 Feb 2019 7:40 PM
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Horus
Bradekes wrote: ↑Wed 20 Feb 2019 4:47 PMHorus wrote: ↑Wed 20 Feb 2019 4:41 PMYou realize bow spec on archer is the same damage mechanic as Xbow spec on a Armsman, right?
So you must be saying archer bow damage is garbage too.
It's not the same damage. I tested in beta only hit target dummy like 120 or so with saracen full aug dex fully buff pots/charge 50 xbox.. It's garbage... My main was ranger on beta it's no where close to 300+ dmg on dummy
I believe WS with xbow is based on your Str, not Dex ( I could be wrong but that is how I remember it) . An armsman could test this. Equip your xbow, check WS, take off a + str item and see if it changes.
Sun 10 May 2020 4:08 AM
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Ambron
Sounds like many ppl here have never played on live server. Ketheryll explained how it was implemented to live.
But it seems most people on the server want a custom server. Not a classic experience. This hits me hard cause i want a classic experience but thats how it is ^^
I play DAoC for ages now and as phoenix launched i thought, okay this time i troll around and play characters like xbow-armsman, Smite-Cleric, Heal-Friar, 2h-Paladin, Earth-Wiz... And actually 3/5 are actually viable on this server as they got heavy buffs. So i thought, come on, Xbow-Armsman still must be trash because of the low damage. But well, without snapshot it is really not a troll character to play.
Crossbow is a skill without a use atm. Thought the GMs wanna avoid Skills without a use here. And Crossbow is even worse than Mentalism ^^
But it seems most people on the server want a custom server. Not a classic experience. This hits me hard cause i want a classic experience but thats how it is ^^
I play DAoC for ages now and as phoenix launched i thought, okay this time i troll around and play characters like xbow-armsman, Smite-Cleric, Heal-Friar, 2h-Paladin, Earth-Wiz... And actually 3/5 are actually viable on this server as they got heavy buffs. So i thought, come on, Xbow-Armsman still must be trash because of the low damage. But well, without snapshot it is really not a troll character to play.
Crossbow is a skill without a use atm. Thought the GMs wanna avoid Skills without a use here. And Crossbow is even worse than Mentalism ^^
They have a short bow.Druth wrote: ↑Wed 20 Feb 2019 8:09 AMAnd hero dreams of having some sort of ranged interrupt while being rooted/snared.
Sun 10 May 2020 7:07 PM
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Expfighter
Ketheryll wrote: ↑Tue 19 Feb 2019 6:52 AMSimple suggestion, I would like it if Armsman either got Snapshot naturally at 25 (if possible) or follow live and give Snapshot to armsman for specializing 25 points into crossbow. It's a valuable tool for the solo armsman chasing after targets or finishing a fleeing target off. It was disheartening not being able to attain the skill in the game currently.
NOT NO, BUT HELLLLLLLLL NO!
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