Bans for adding 8vs8? - Phoenix Freeshard

Some individuals spread the rumor that adding a 8vs8 get you banned.

Is that true? Daoc is RvR not a 8vs8 Game. Its a realm war, adds can happen and it shouldn't be an issue.
Then you need to ban 16 slot grps too that roam or ban 8 slot grps that add 1vs1. Or 8vs1 and so on.

Please make statement, since people on the U regime making stuff up.

Tue 10 Jul 2018 8:37 AM by Galahad

No this is certainly not true.

What is a punishable offense, however, is cross-realming.

Tue 10 Jul 2018 8:38 AM by

Uthred

You shouldnt believe rumors.

First thing you can do, read the rules. If you find anything about getting banned for adding in RvR, please tell me and i will instantly delete it.

Seriously, no one will get a ban for adding a rvr-fight. We want this server to be a home for solo, duo, smallmen, 8men, 16men, zerg, whatever kind of rvr. Even if you kill greys, you wont get banned (but lose a lot of karma).

Tue 10 Jul 2018 11:24 AM by aso

i hope ppl get banned who stop fighting after someone add in a fight

Tue 10 Jul 2018 11:55 AM by Pao

Yes, sometimes they stop the fight. Adds get killed and they make a loop to engage again. Thats super lame. We are not in feudal japan.

"Must fight with honor!"*using my racist Asian accent.

Tue 10 Jul 2018 12:02 PM by

Uthred

Also we will not ban people if they stop fighting.

Tue 10 Jul 2018 3:18 PM by Brokenstring

Stopping a fight because someone added, that's really such a lame thing to do. This isn't an instanced WoW PvP game. Just fight. Fights aren't always fair, life isn't always fair. Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.

Tue 10 Jul 2018 5:05 PM by Bigga

Brokenstring wrote: ↑
Tue 10 Jul 2018 3:18 PM
Stopping a fight because someone added, that's really such a lame thing to do. This isn't an instanced WoW PvP game. Just fight. Fights aren't always fair, life isn't always fair. Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.

100% agree

Wed 11 Jul 2018 9:28 AM by Dakar

Brokenstring wrote: ↑
Tue 10 Jul 2018 3:18 PM
Stopping a fight because someone added, that's really such a lame thing to do. This isn't an instanced WoW PvP game. Just fight. Fights aren't always fair, life isn't always fair. Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.

I think it is totally fine to stop fighting. Actually I love it to smash the adders first

Like you said: Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.

Wed 11 Jul 2018 2:07 PM by Azozial

aso wrote: ↑
Tue 10 Jul 2018 11:24 AM
i hope ppl get banned who stop fighting after someone add in a fight

I will stop my fight, and let the enemy kill you, if you add my fights

Wed 11 Jul 2018 2:23 PM by Brokenstring

Dakar wrote: ↑
Wed 11 Jul 2018 9:28 AM
Brokenstring wrote: ↑
Tue 10 Jul 2018 3:18 PM
Stopping a fight because someone added, that's really such a lame thing to do. This isn't an instanced WoW PvP game. Just fight. Fights aren't always fair, life isn't always fair. Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.

I think it is totally fine to stop fighting. Actually I love it to smash the adders first
Like you said: Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.

You're perfectly welcome to play that way. But it cheapens the game and is super lame, IMO.

The type that do things like that I've always been a bit puzzled and confused as to why they are involved in an open world game. Open world is not ideal for that sort of play style desire.

The great 8 mans should welcome the additional challenge it seems to me anyway. Buds on Uthgard probably would have, since they weren't getting much competition from straight 8v8, based on the killspams I was seeing most of the time.

Thu 12 Jul 2018 8:45 AM by Azozial

Brokenstring wrote: ↑
Wed 11 Jul 2018 2:23 PM
Dakar wrote: ↑
Wed 11 Jul 2018 9:28 AM
Brokenstring wrote: ↑
Tue 10 Jul 2018 3:18 PM
Stopping a fight because someone added, that's really such a lame thing to do. This isn't an instanced WoW PvP game. Just fight. Fights aren't always fair, life isn't always fair. Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.

I think it is totally fine to stop fighting. Actually I love it to smash the adders first
Like you said: Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.

You're perfectly welcome to play that way. But it cheapens the game and is super lame, IMO.

The type that do things like that I've always been a bit puzzled and confused as to why they are involved in an open world game. Open world is not ideal for that sort of play style desire.

The great 8 mans should welcome the additional challenge it seems to me anyway. Buds on Uthgard probably would have, since they weren't getting much competition from straight 8v8, based on the killspams I was seeing most of the time.

And it confusses me, that ppl want to add 8v8...
I dont mind the extra action, and I'll gladly kill the adds while fighting the primary's, but if you add my fights in 8v8, we will all pull out, and leave you to your faith...

So, I dont like adds you like adding, thank god for the difference in people, otherwise the world would be boring as shit

Thu 12 Jul 2018 9:09 AM by Joc

I let 8v8 fight it out. There is little to zero skill bulldozing a fight when timetmrs, ras, and such are down and the enemy is engaged in another fight.

Just my opinion. I'm not rps hungry either. I play the game to have fun and getting jammed isn't fun. So I dont j sm others fights.

Thu 12 Jul 2018 5:40 PM by Budikah

Even if you don't like people pulling off its a bit of a hard sell to even find a hard and fast rule for.

People need the ability to play how they want without worrying that disengaging - for honor or survival - will get them in trouble.

Fri 13 Jul 2018 8:03 PM by Brokenstring

My position is people should play the way they want to play, but this isn't an instanced game. Adds will happen, and 8 mans are usually the ones that cry endlessly all over the place (in-game, forums, etc.) when it does happen. That's the problem to me.

Sat 14 Jul 2018 8:04 PM by Bethoc

There are plenty of obscure corners of the frontier to organize fair, equal-numbered 8v8. If you run around Emain, expect adds; DAoC isn't a PvP arena. I won't ever be disengaging from a fight against my realm's enemies.

Sun 15 Jul 2018 11:47 PM by Budikah

Serious Question...

Why is there no 8v8 PvP arena?

The 8v8 community doesn't want adds. They don't want people interfering with their fights. Many of them generally do no engage in PvKeep or the general RvR as it is.

They mostly want to 8v8 and get easy kills versus lesser organized groups or zergs that they happen to encounter.

Why not give them an arena? Why not play on a purely arena server without progression that you just log on, set your crap up, and fight? Is there something I'm missing about the 8v8 arena server that Pyth has had for ages or what?

It just seems disjointed to me. You want X, Y, and Z but then engage in fights in places where you are going to get adds/etc when there are massive frontiers with plenty of hidden side spaces or simply an arena server where you don't even have to hunt for the enemy.

Mon 16 Jul 2018 3:02 AM by Wilfu

Budikah wrote: ↑
Sun 15 Jul 2018 11:47 PM
Serious Question...

Why is there no 8v8 PvP arena?

The 8v8 community doesn't want adds. They don't want people interfering with their fights. Many of them generally do no engage in PvKeep or the general RvR as it is.

They mostly want to 8v8 and get easy kills versus lesser organized groups or zergs that they happen to encounter.

Why not give them an arena? Why not play on a purely arena server without progression that you just log on, set your crap up, and fight? Is there something I'm missing about the 8v8 arena server that Pyth has had for ages or what?

It just seems disjointed to me. You want X, Y, and Z but then engage in fights in places where you are going to get adds/etc when there are massive frontiers with plenty of hidden side spaces or simply an arena server where you don't even have to hunt for the enemy.

So you contradicted the hell out of yourself, if they only want 8v8 then they need to stay out of other engagements. Don't kill solo or otherwise. Don't defend them when they are doing exactly what we are doing.

Mon 16 Jul 2018 3:21 AM by Quik

This is an MMO with hopefully a few thousand players.

Everyone will play differently and everyone needs to give them the right to play how they want.

If you see 2 8 man groups fighting, you should have the option to join, leave, watch, or just wait until over and do whatever.

If you do attack then the other groups have their own rights. They can continue fighting, stop and wait, stop and leave, or both try to gank you.

There is NO right or wrong since it is simply different ways people play.

Calling it lame because a group will stop fighting might be just as lame as you adding while they fight. You had the right to jump in and that means they have the right to jump out.

Mon 16 Jul 2018 5:27 AM by Budikah

Wilfu wrote: ↑
Mon 16 Jul 2018 3:02 AM
So you contradicted the hell out of yourself, if they only want 8v8 then they need to stay out of other engagements. Don't kill solo or otherwise. Don't defend them when they are doing exactly what we are doing.

Calm yer jets homeboy.

I'm just stating what I've seen on live and elsewhere. with the addition of a question I've had for awhile.

The intent of 8v8 and the playstyle seems to lend itself pretty directly to an arena (albeit a big one) - yet they still remain within the greater RvR sphere and there has been this endless discussion for years - just wondering if it's by choice or if the arena/pure 8v8 servers over the years have had issues that push them to live/progression servers. I've never heard/seen it mentioned. It isn't really meant to be an attack or a defense - I'm just genuinely curious.

... as for the rest of the thread - yeah, people do what they want. The DAoC culture is what it is, and you can choose your place accordingly and people will respond in kind. The original premise of this thread just isn't possible. Nobody is going to be able to constantly dictate what was a tactical retreat vs a pull off even if they wanted to go that route. Best for people to realize the nature of the game and find their place in it.

Mon 16 Jul 2018 5:41 AM by Galahad

The only way you could enforce a "no add" policy" would be in an arena setting. DAoC is an "open world" game, hence there will be no such policy.

There is also a misconception among some people that we are trying to be an 8v8 server, which is not true. For us, 8v8 is one possible way to play the game - but the same is true for solo, smallmen, PUGs and zergs. If all we see on Phoenix are 8v8 guilds, then I don't think we will have succeeded with our server vision. Indeed, much of our current thoughts re: RvR focus on how to make the entire experience as inclusive and fun as possible for everyone .

Mon 16 Jul 2018 1:31 PM by megatron

I WILL ADD EVERY SINGLE ONE OF YOUR 8V8 BATTLES AND I DARE YOU TO TRY AND BITCH AT ME ABOUT IT... YOU DON'T OWN THE RPS OUT THERE AND IT'S CHILDISH TO TRY AND CLAIM A BATTLE IS "YOURS"... GROW UP.

Mon 16 Jul 2018 6:16 PM by jkpix

Brokenstring wrote: ↑
Tue 10 Jul 2018 3:18 PM
Stopping a fight because someone added, that's really such a lame thing to do. This isn't an instanced WoW PvP game. Just fight. Fights aren't always fair, life isn't always fair. Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.

Complaining after getting killed for adding, that's really such a lame thing to do. Just keep on fighting even after your realmmates pulled out of the fight. Fights aren't always fair, life isn't always fair. Improvise. Adapt. Overcome.

Mon 16 Jul 2018 9:11 PM by Brokenstring

I don't get your point? Who complains after getting killed for adding? lol

I know you were trying to be clever, but it was a fail.

Mon 16 Jul 2018 10:13 PM by jkpix

Brokenstring wrote: I don't get your point? Who complains after getting killed for adding? lol

I know you were trying to be clever, but it was a fail.

thats the only logical reason why would bother to make that first statement of yours in the first place lol. the only reason to be bothered by 8mans pulling out when adding is getting killed by the enemy group since that is the only thing thats going to happen - adders die and dont get RP (or they manage to win but they wouldnt be bothered by it then would they?).

this exact same discussion has been coming up in every single forum of every daoc server i ever played on, its ridiculous. both groups expect the others to play and behave exactly the way they want them to. neither adding nor pulling out is the correct way to play, there is none.

Tue 17 Jul 2018 1:08 AM by Brokenstring

I believe I've already said that twice or so in this thread. Thanks for agreeing with me.

And no you missed my entire point, go re-read my posts.

Thu 19 Jul 2018 7:31 AM by Azozial

This Post is really just stupid..

It's always like this, ppl who claim the 8v8's to be dicks, and dont fight for realm and such...
Like I said earlier, I dont care for adders, and this is my personal opinion, can I make it stop? No ofcourse not, nor would I.
The 8v8 guilds / grps out there, are doing their thing, and when the realm needs help, they gather up, and they zerg...

They still roll out as 8 man, even if they get added time and time again...

Play your game, and lets not make up issues which are not there, we all have our vision...

Sun 22 Jul 2018 5:22 PM by sebbo

The very same ppl that won´t be punished for stopping to fight when someone adds are the same that were organizing fights on discord, thus they established the rules for discord

Sun 22 Jul 2018 5:53 PM by Tyton

All play styles welcome... People who add. People who don't. People who retreat if you add. People who don't. People who watch. People who etc etc etc.

You can have your opinions of those people but they should all be able to play as they wish (as long as they don't break server rules). For me personally, the realm is number 1 - red is dead. This is honestly how I feel the game was meant to be played; it's a realm war, kill your enemies. People can disagree freely. Having said that I enjoy 8v8 and a number of play styles. If someone adds, IDC, that's life, it's a game. Not gonna punish someone for attacking an enemy BUT we cannot punish someone who retreats if added on, either. You can not like them but that's about it.

Sun 22 Jul 2018 8:34 PM by Thune

In the end, this is a Realm versus Realm game - All fights should fall in the "spirit of the game" and fall under the RVR mantra.

No one should have to worry about being an add, an ass jam, left to die because they added etc.

The realms are at war, and war is highly unpredictable.

Play styles like this are not in the spirit of RVR, which is what DAOC is all about. All play styles add to RVR as a whole, but pulling out, watching your realm mates die or other such nonsense is disgusting.

Phoenix could always add 8v8 tournaments in the medieval style if they so desired.

Make a massive event out of it. 8v8, small group, solo, each realm hosts and we get a chance to visit each realm as an outsider everyone once in a while.

Sun 22 Jul 2018 9:57 PM by Ganaka

It didn't take long before people resorted to insults! This kind of topic is fun to watch.

If you're here to measure your manhood against another player or team, then go to an obscure corner of an RVR zone and measure. Doing it on main street will get you attention. I've never understood why people don't understand this concept. This ain't a Hollywood movie, not all people are just going to stand there and watch two guys measure.

Mon 23 Jul 2018 6:07 AM by Galahad

Since our stance on the issues has been made very clear and nothing good will come of any further discussion of "my playstyle is better than your playstyle", I am closing this now.