SB garrot vs NS garrot! - Phoenix Freeshard

Hi guys,

So I would like to understand how is it possible that a NS is hitting twice harder than me. I took a screenshot to show you that I am not lying. It's happenning with all Blade NS, they are all hitting way harder than us.

I am Rank 4L+, fully buffed, he is debuffed like me but he is still hitting me twice harder.

I know that he is 6L, have the blade bonus on me but same, how can it be such a DPS difference I am really confused. (see picture below)

The picture show his garrot vs mine and trust me I really dont understand how is it possible to have such a damage difference.

https://imgur.com/a/AbvKqsA

Silentblade dps:
Mainhand 188
off hand 80
Total 268

My dps:
Mainhand 102
offhand 29
total 131

How could you explain to me that SB' DPS is not broken and that LA is "normal"

I am listening.

Fri 1 Feb 2019 3:57 PM by Ganil

Once you take resists into account it's 230MH vs 160MH. It's already a lot closer. You probably have a very fast OH while he doesn't. Your offhand hits everytime while his doesn't either.

Then we don't know your resist/buffs/weapon speed, spec and so on.

Also shadowblades were the worst assassins for a long time imo (because of the resists table/damage choices). Those damages seems "normal". You might argue that bladeshade are op, but it's something else entirely :p.

Fri 1 Feb 2019 4:59 PM by Spewy

I am full SC with MP every where, capped everywhere just LA at 99%

Fri 1 Feb 2019 8:45 PM by Isavyr

Spec is going to be significant here. 35+15 CS.Garrote < 50 + 15 CS.Garrote.

Nightshades are not good at general melee and therefore "encouraged" by the current design to go into Critical Strike. Shadowblades have more options, so they may or may not. What is your CS?

Fri 1 Feb 2019 8:53 PM by Ardri

Spewy wrote: ↑
Fri 1 Feb 2019 4:59 PM
I am full SC with MP every where, capped everywhere just LA at 99%

SB vulnerable to slash. NS resistant to slash. Your spec? His spec? Are you 100% positive both were garrote? Achilles heel and most reactives have higher GR. What spec charges did you have up vs him? Plus the mh/oh difference and resists as posted above.

All play a role, some more than others. Tbh it just seems like the ns was "better" than you as he's probably already accounted for all this.

Fri 1 Feb 2019 10:13 PM by Wellzy

Blade elf is the best Shade. Arguably the best stealther on stealther class. I play Luri, though, bc I love the race.

But elfs have crazy good racial resist bonus to both slash and thrust. Luris only have bonus to crush.

A 44-50 CS blade elf is going to hit hard, and be very resistant to slash with the double bonus from hib leather and racial.

If you're lookin at min maxing a stealther, blade elf is the way to go.

Fri 1 Feb 2019 11:01 PM by krycek

Hib also has 5% melee bonus from relic's atm.

Fri 1 Feb 2019 11:03 PM by Vlalkor

I'm interested in knowing how often his offhand hit you, was it every swing?

Fri 1 Feb 2019 11:21 PM by Ganil

From a balance pov, this is easily fixed: give the bludgeon ability back to sb.
Then you give some buff to scout and I think the stealth game is more or less balanced.

Fri 1 Feb 2019 11:26 PM by Centaurus

I saw Silentblade kill a healer, then a SB add, then another SB add last night in succession.

Source: I was the healer.

Fri 1 Feb 2019 11:56 PM by krycek

There's a couple of really tough SB's then the rest seem to melt like butter. Thinking a lot just aren't temped atm or maybe aren't running red charges. There's a huge difference between the 2-3 tough sb's and the rest though.

Sat 2 Feb 2019 12:21 AM by keen

Did you use S/C and spec af charge+buff potion?
If not, that is why

Sat 2 Feb 2019 1:16 AM by Radikus

keen wrote: ↑
Sat 2 Feb 2019 12:21 AM
Did you use S/C and spec af charge+buff potion?
If not, that is why

What does this even mean? Can you break this down, I am almost 50 on my SB and this sounds important.

Sat 2 Feb 2019 2:58 AM by Zansobar

Radikus wrote: ↑
Sat 2 Feb 2019 1:16 AM
keen wrote: ↑
Sat 2 Feb 2019 12:21 AM
Did you use S/C and spec af charge+buff potion?
If not, that is why

What does this even mean? Can you break this down, I am almost 50 on my SB and this sounds important.

S/C means str/con and AF means spec armor factor...both refer to charges that give you more str/con and af than any buff potion can (not sure you can even get armor factor from a potion).

Sat 2 Feb 2019 10:32 AM by Spewy

keen wrote: ↑
Sat 2 Feb 2019 12:21 AM
Did you use S/C and spec af charge+buff potion?
If not, that is why

I had the +39 s/c didnt now that have 35 str more will get me twice higher dps.

His offhand swing at 100%

And I am 44 CS as well.

Sat 2 Feb 2019 11:58 AM by Vlalkor

Does anyone have logs on how often BMs, NSs, infils and mercs hit with their offhands?

Sat 2 Feb 2019 2:32 PM by natefker

This can be explained with resists + the nature of LA vs CD. If, indeed , his offhand hit you every time then you were very unlucky.
LA ensures your offhand hits every time, to balance this (correct me if I'm wrong) you deal 80% damage (20% less than other realm dual wield) with both weapons as long as anything is in your offhand slot (including a shield). I believe this penalty is reduced by LA spec.
I'm not on mid but it should be easy to test this on a training dummy. Wield 1 weapon garrote. equip LA(or shield) garrote. Should see a significant decrease in main-hand damage with offhand equipped.
This isn't new and is how LA has always worked IIRC.

you vs him = -5% from resist
him vs you = +5% from resist
on top of that you deal 80% dmg with offhand equiped.
those alone give him a 30% dmg advantage when his offhand swings.
My BM with full CD doesn't even hit 50% offhand swings so every hit getting an offhand in is very unlucky before anyone starts yelling nerf. Just different mechanics. SB is more stable dmg ( and poison application ) where as NS / Inf have more luck involved.

Sat 2 Feb 2019 4:41 PM by Ashenspire

A screen shot of one round doesn't show the whole picture, and never will.

Sat 2 Feb 2019 5:07 PM by Spewy

natefker wrote: ↑
Sat 2 Feb 2019 2:32 PM
This can be explained with resists + the nature of LA vs CD. If, indeed , his offhand hit you every time then you were very unlucky.
LA ensures your offhand hits every time, to balance this (correct me if I'm wrong) you deal 80% damage (20% less than other realm dual wield) with both weapons as long as anything is in your offhand slot (including a shield). I believe this penalty is reduced by LA spec.
I'm not on mid but it should be easy to test this on a training dummy. Wield 1 weapon garrote. equip LA(or shield) garrote. Should see a significant decrease in main-hand damage with offhand equipped.
This isn't new and is how LA has always worked IIRC.

you vs him = -5% from resist
him vs you = +5% from resist
on top of that you deal 80% dmg with offhand equiped.
those alone give him a 30% dmg advantage when his offhand swings.
My BM with full CD doesn't even hit 50% offhand swings so every hit getting an offhand in is very unlucky before anyone starts yelling nerf. Just different mechanics. SB is more stable dmg ( and poison application ) where as NS / Inf have more luck involved.

thanks for the explanation will do the test

Sat 2 Feb 2019 7:08 PM by l00ri

natefker wrote: ↑
Sat 2 Feb 2019 2:32 PM
This can be explained with resists + the nature of LA vs CD. If, indeed , his offhand hit you every time then you were very unlucky.
LA ensures your offhand hits every time, to balance this (correct me if I'm wrong) you deal 80% damage (20% less than other realm dual wield) with both weapons as long as anything is in your offhand slot (including a shield). I believe this penalty is reduced by LA spec.

LA Mainhand starts at 77,3%, Offhand at 52.5%.

natefker wrote: ↑
Sat 2 Feb 2019 2:32 PM
you vs him = -5% from resist
him vs you = +5% from resist

Its -10 and +10 % from resists here.

natefker wrote: ↑
Sat 2 Feb 2019 2:32 PM
My BM with full CD doesn't even hit 50% offhand swings so every hit getting an offhand in is very unlucky before anyone starts yelling nerf. Just different mechanics. SB is more stable dmg ( and poison application ) where as NS / Inf have more luck involved.

BM with 50CD (+11) should start at least with 66,48% Offhand Chance. (25% Basechance + (61 * 0,68%))
The Patch Notes from 2018-11-15 even say that there is a higher Chance for CD (up to 5%) on this Server, so its probably even higher.

Sat 2 Feb 2019 11:19 PM by Silentblade

man if i would do 188 mh debuffed with garotte on a sb that would be awesome lol the poster has clearly no clue at all

Mon 4 Feb 2019 1:12 PM by Sepplord

Silentblade wrote: ↑
Sat 2 Feb 2019 11:19 PM
man if i would do 188 mh debuffed with garotte on a sb that would be awesome lol the poster has clearly no clue at all

so can we take from that, that you resisted/purged the debuff before that screenshot happened?
Or what is OP missing?

Tue 5 Feb 2019 9:43 PM by Stimmed

Or he thinks it was Garrote but was Hammy chain etc. Big difference.

SIlent hits damn hard. Had a few close fights with him/her but I always just fall short

(Meggles Inf) there is only 2 NS that are really tough SIlent and Sursomething? And there is 1 sb in my encounters that is doing really well which is Tila. Hamstring chain just hits damn hard specially if he is 50 CS spec which he maybe or will be 44ish.

Spec AF Charge and other charges also add up. And cause of resist table he will hit you 20% harder. Since your -10 hes +10. Also rr5 will be .5 Dps on weapon which is slightly more dmg again.