Archer Toons - Phoenix Freeshard

Let me start by making this clear: I don't believe Archery damage is gimped. Nor do I believe Rangers/Hunters/Scouts are gimped.

What I do believe is that a toon created as an ARCHER is gimped. The current consensus is for all Archer classes to forego the Archery line in favor of higher melee spec. Right now, there is simply no reason to spec higher than 35 in Archery and some would say little reason even to spec that high. That is an issue.

Buffs have a lot to do with this, but that is for another discussion.

Given the barriers to Archery damage (interrupt code, block rates, etc.) I believe the Archery line needs some help. Penetrating Arrow III at spec 50 has been suggested and I think it's a great idea. I'm happy to hear others (i.e. +0.2% archery speed per spec level?) If Rangers and Hunters were given a reason to spec more highly in Archery, we may see fewer melee specs and maybe even some groups willing to take Archers in them...

Fri 14 Dec 2018 11:44 PM by relvinian

All those story archers could also swing a pretty mean sword.

Sat 15 Dec 2018 8:04 AM by Ceen

Archery was lost when crit shot was customized.

Sat 15 Dec 2018 11:29 AM by Glimmer

I made suggestion here https://forum.playphoenix.online/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3089 about archery, but as you can see noone so far reply there.

Sun 16 Dec 2018 6:00 AM by Joc

Ceen wrote: ↑
Sat 15 Dec 2018 8:04 AM
Archery was lost when crit shot was customized.

This

Fri 11 Jan 2019 10:12 PM by Signus

So did this ever get addressed? Seems like a gross oversight

Fri 11 Jan 2019 10:24 PM by Emeryc

It appears there is little concern for Archery. I really had my hopes up, too.

Sat 12 Jan 2019 12:04 AM by Mike504

Emeryc wrote: ↑
Fri 11 Jan 2019 10:24 PM
It appears there is little concern for Archery. I really had my hopes up, too.

Server is brand new and seems the dev's are pretty active with things. I'm sure there will be class adjustments made after release.

Sat 12 Jan 2019 2:25 AM by Cadebrennus

Archery is pretty gimped. Basically you have to consider the damage of Archery balanced against the counters to Archery. If Archery was much higher damage with the current Archery counters (Self BT, PBT, Shields, Engage, hard interrupts, Armor Factor, etc.) then it would be balanced. If Archery damage stays as it is now but has less counters (removing self BT from game would be perfect, for example) then it would also be balanced.

However having current damage and current counters renders Archery gimp.

Sat 12 Jan 2019 3:09 AM by ntp123

I would love to see archer classes balanced out to be viable in 8man groups. That would be. . . . just so amazing. I know some of you will feel the same.

Sat 12 Jan 2019 8:37 AM by labra

Another light but usefull tweak could be to remove the arrow need.
Archers are almost the only classes that need to buy or craft in order to do actual damages (yeah I know, throwing axes and crossbow too).
Quiver could become only a damage selector (ie: switch from slash to thrust or crush damage).

Sat 12 Jan 2019 9:38 AM by Glimmer

I rly wish speccing more in bow would increase damage much more than it is now after 35+15(at rr5 for example).

Sun 13 Jan 2019 12:51 AM by Ganil

labra wrote: ↑
Sat 12 Jan 2019 8:37 AM
Another light but usefull tweak could be to remove the arrow need.
Archers are almost the only classes that need to buy or craft in order to do actual damages (yeah I know, throwing axes and crossbow too).
Quiver could become only a damage selector (ie: switch from slash to thrust or crush damage).

Yeah, free arrow, throwing knives and stuff like that.
This is really annoying at lower levels.

At lv 6 with the cheapest arrows, I have ~35% miss rate against yellow and can't even kill them reliably lol.
I didn't try the expensive one yet because I have no money :p.

Sun 13 Jan 2019 12:12 PM by randomeclipse

labra wrote: ↑
Sat 12 Jan 2019 8:37 AM
Another light but usefull tweak could be to remove the arrow need.
Archers are almost the only classes that need to buy or craft in order to do actual damages (yeah I know, throwing axes and crossbow too).
Quiver could become only a damage selector (ie: switch from slash to thrust or crush damage).

They could just make it all magic damage while they’re there, I mean who actually wants to feel like an archer when playing an archer...

Mon 14 Jan 2019 12:40 PM by Lev

ntp123 wrote: ↑
Sat 12 Jan 2019 3:09 AM
I would love to see archer classes balanced out to be viable in 8man groups. That would be. . . . just so amazing. I know some of you will feel the same.

Scout has det, can slam, can snare and (i think) rapid fire II can't be interrupted permanently.
just saying

Mon 14 Jan 2019 2:10 PM by Hector

Lev wrote: ↑
Mon 14 Jan 2019 12:40 PM
ntp123 wrote: ↑
Sat 12 Jan 2019 3:09 AM
I would love to see archer classes balanced out to be viable in 8man groups. That would be. . . . just so amazing. I know some of you will feel the same.

Scout has det, can slam, can snare and (i think) rapid fire II can't be interrupted permanently.
just saying

No archer class has Det.

Mon 14 Jan 2019 2:15 PM by Ceen

Hector wrote: ↑
Mon 14 Jan 2019 2:10 PM
Lev wrote: ↑
Mon 14 Jan 2019 12:40 PM
ntp123 wrote: ↑
Sat 12 Jan 2019 3:09 AM
I would love to see archer classes balanced out to be viable in 8man groups. That would be. . . . just so amazing. I know some of you will feel the same.

Scout has det, can slam, can snare and (i think) rapid fire II can't be interrupted permanently.
just saying

No archer class has Det.

They should have det, its a bug not reported yet.
http://www.excidio.net/charplaner/

Mon 14 Jan 2019 2:46 PM by Lev

Hector wrote: ↑
Mon 14 Jan 2019 2:10 PM
Lev wrote: ↑
Mon 14 Jan 2019 12:40 PM
ntp123 wrote: ↑
Sat 12 Jan 2019 3:09 AM
I would love to see archer classes balanced out to be viable in 8man groups. That would be. . . . just so amazing. I know some of you will feel the same.

Scout has det, can slam, can snare and (i think) rapid fire II can't be interrupted permanently.
just saying

No archer class has Det.

http://playphoenix.wiki/albion-class-changes/

Scout
– Can purchase Determination
– Gains Mastery of Stealth based on stealth spec
– Implemented realm abilities Long Shot and Volley
– Critical Shot only checks for targets engaged in melee. Critical shot provide enemy target with 15 seconds of immunity critical shots.
– Camouflage has been removed from game
– See Hidden has been removed from game

Mon 14 Jan 2019 5:31 PM by Cadebrennus

ntp123 wrote: ↑
Sat 12 Jan 2019 3:09 AM
I would love to see archer classes balanced out to be viable in 8man groups. That would be. . . . just so amazing. I know some of you will feel the same.

To get a good sense of viability in 8man groups, one has to look at Live (Ywain) up to August 2016, and early beta for Phoenix. After August 2016 Live and late beta Phoenix they no longer were viable in 8mans. Right now a Nightshade can do equal or better (depending on bow spec and Archer stats) ranged damage per second (not per shot) than an Archer.

Mon 14 Jan 2019 7:43 PM by Signus

labra wrote: ↑
Sat 12 Jan 2019 8:37 AM
Another light but usefull tweak could be to remove the arrow need.
Archers are almost the only classes that need to buy or craft in order to do actual damages (yeah I know, throwing axes and crossbow too).
Quiver could become only a damage selector (ie: switch from slash to thrust or crush damage).

No, I honestly like having physical arrows I can choose between. Makes it way more interesting and feel less like I'm just a mage with a bow shaped staff.

Tue 15 Jan 2019 10:28 AM by Sepplord

randomeclipse wrote: ↑
Sun 13 Jan 2019 12:12 PM
labra wrote: ↑
Sat 12 Jan 2019 8:37 AM
Another light but usefull tweak could be to remove the arrow need.
Archers are almost the only classes that need to buy or craft in order to do actual damages (yeah I know, throwing axes and crossbow too).
Quiver could become only a damage selector (ie: switch from slash to thrust or crush damage).

They could just make it all magic damage while they’re there, I mean who actually wants to feel like an archer when playing an archer...

not sure if sarcasm, but the main pull of playing an archer is to actually be shooting arrows and benefitting from rangeincreases depending on your elevation

Tue 15 Jan 2019 3:46 PM by randomeclipse

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 15 Jan 2019 10:28 AM
randomeclipse wrote: ↑
Sun 13 Jan 2019 12:12 PM
labra wrote: ↑
Sat 12 Jan 2019 8:37 AM
Another light but usefull tweak could be to remove the arrow need.
Archers are almost the only classes that need to buy or craft in order to do actual damages (yeah I know, throwing axes and crossbow too).
Quiver could become only a damage selector (ie: switch from slash to thrust or crush damage).

They could just make it all magic damage while they’re there, I mean who actually wants to feel like an archer when playing an archer...

not sure if sarcasm, but the main pull of playing an archer is to actually be shooting arrows and benefitting from rangeincreases depending on your elevation

It was definitely sarcasm