Hero question: How does low piercing effect my LW damage?

I've fooled around with the idea to roll a Luri Hero, back in the day I saw a video of a little luri swinging a big 2h hammer hitting the enemis from behind, I always found that fun

I know Luri hero is not the best pic, since they have low str and con, but I really dont care, and I get high dex for blocking (always fancied being a s/s rather than brute force)

My question:
I though about going 50 LW, 50 Shield, 25 piercing and rest parry

- How does my points in piercing effect LW damage?
(ex. Do I have to use a large weapon that does piercing damage, or can I use a hammer and do crush damage, and it wont effect the damage output)
- My points in piercing gives me higher weapon skill, so is 25 piercing sufficient?

I'm originally from alb, where you had to have your slash/thrust/crush up aswell since it effected your Polearm/2h damage. Its different here on hib.

Thu 10 Jan 2019 11:11 AM by Kaziera

Well here we Start again at the hero discussion. Imo there are two different uses for a hero.

First one is the pure peeler. Here i suggest a 50 spear 50 shield 10 blades rest parry spec.

Spear gives you best dmg and best defense penetration in your main task, snaring enemy tanks and light tanks with spear backsnare. 50 shield maxes your blockrate during guarding and against other peelers that atack you. Last point goes also for parry. 10 blades give you a sidesnare, which gives you a possibility to snare during guarding your teammates. But this is a backup. Preferrably is a quick switch from 1h guard to spear backsnare and back.

Second is the pure Offensive machine. 50 lw 39 spear 42 shield 10 blades rest parry.

50 lw for max dmg from lvl 50 backstyle. 39 spear for second best dmg when peeling. 42 shield for slam if you cant land your backstyle.

Both versions have their place. Its up to you to pick.

If Course mix forms exist and are totaly fine

Thu 10 Jan 2019 11:28 AM by Tellus

Kaziera wrote: ↑
Thu 10 Jan 2019 11:11 AM
Well here we Start again at the hero discussion. Imo there are two different uses for a hero.

First one is the pure peeler. Here i suggest a 50 spear 50 shield 10 blades rest parry spec.

Spear gives you best dmg and best defense penetration in your main task, snaring enemy tanks and light tanks with spear backsnare. 50 shield maxes your blockrate during guarding and against other peelers that atack you. Last point goes also for parry. 10 blades give you a sidesnare, which gives you a possibility to snare during guarding your teammates. But this is a backup. Preferrably is a quick switch from 1h guard to spear backsnare and back.

Second is the pure Offensive machine. 50 lw 39 spear 42 shield 10 blades rest parry.

50 lw for max dmg from lvl 50 backstyle. 39 spear for second best dmg when peeling. 42 shield for slam if you cant land your backstyle.

Both versions have their place. Its up to you to pick.

If Course mix forms exist and are totaly fine

Thanks for your take on how to spec mate, but my question was not regarding what spec to go for, rather how my low piercing/Blad/blunt skill effect my Large Weapon/Spear damage output, or does this have no effect ad all.

Thu 10 Jan 2019 11:33 AM by Bethoc

There are only slash and crush damage types for Large Weapons, which you can freely switch between. For 2h piercing damage, you'd want Celtic Spear. Both use 100% Str. None of the one-handed specs (Blades, Blunt, Piercing) affect LW or Celtic Spear; they have zero impact on the weapon skill or damage when using LW or CS, only when using a one-handed weapon. This is unlike Albion's Polearm and Two-Handed, which derive their minimum damage from a one-handed spec, so raising one of those to composite 50 (39+11 and decreasing with realm rank) is the goal for Armsmen in order to minimize damage variance.

So, basically, one-handed spec's utility for a Hero is limited to providing adequate weapon skill to land styles while guarding with your shield out. It contributes nothing when you switch to LW/CS. Since you are considering a Lurikeen, I would choose piercing spec, as weapon skill for it is 50% Dex/50% Str, whereas Blades and Blunt are 100% Str.

One alternative I would consider is 42 Shield/39 Blades for the level 39 Fire Blade anytime style, with its strong combat speed slow. There are no equivalents to it in the other Hibernian weapon lines, CS and LW included. It's quite effective at passively reducing the impact of an enemy melee when you must switch to peeling a different target. The sacrifice is low parry, slight reduction to block rate/shield weaponskill, and loss of the 10sec block reactionary stun.

The other alternatives are 42 Shield/34 Piercing/20 parry, or 42 Shield/25 Piercing/30 Parry. Some advocate split spec with 39 CS/50 LW/42 Shield for ensuring the best damage type against any armor, while retaining slam. You lose nearly all one-handed ability for a potential penetrative damage boost and access to LW+CS styles. I'm not a fan of that. I would also reject the 50 Spear/50 Shield/10 Blades suggestion, because I place more value in 39 Blades for soft peeling and at least some damage output. Side snare at 10 Blades spec is unreliable. Furthermore, if you're constantly switching to CS, you'll miss way more blocks than lowering shield to 42 from 50.

Thu 10 Jan 2019 11:37 AM by Tellus

Bethoc wrote: ↑
Thu 10 Jan 2019 11:33 AM
There are only slash and crush damage types for Large Weapons, which you can freely switch between. For 2h piercing damage, you'd want Celtic Spear. Both use 100% Str. None of the one-handed specs (Blades, Blunt, Piercing) affect LW or Celtic Spear; they have zero impact on the weapon skill or damage when using LW or CS, only when using a one-handed weapon. This is unlike Albion's Polearm and Two-Handed, which derive their minimum damage from a one-handed spec, so raising one of those to composite 50 (39+11 and decreasing with realm rank) is the goal for Armsmen in order to minimize damage variance.

So, basically, one-handed spec's utility for a Hero is limited to providing adequate weapon skill to land styles while guarding with your shield out. It contributes nothing when you switch to LW/CS. Since you are considering a Lurikeen, I would choose piercing spec, as weapon skill for it is 50% Dex/50% Str, whereas Blades and Blunt are 100% Str.

One alternative I would consider is 42 Shield/39 Blades for the level 39 Fire Blade anytime style, with its strong combat speed slow. There are no equivalents to it in the other Hibernian weapon lines, CS and LW included. It's quite effective at passively reducing the impact of an enemy melee when you must switch to peeling a different target. The sacrifice is low parry, slight reduction to block rate/shield weaponskill, and loss of the 10sec block reactionary stun.

The other alternatives are 42 Shield/34 Piercing/20 parry, or 42 Shield/25 Piercing/30 Parry. Some advocate split spec with 39 CS/50 LW/42 Shield for ensuring the best damage type against any armor, while retaining slam. You lose nearly all one-handed ability for a potential penetrative damage boost and access to LW+CS styles. I'm not a fan of that. I would also reject the 50 Spear/50 Shield/10 Blades suggestion, because I place more value in 39 Blades for soft peeling and at least some damage output. Side snare at 10 Blades spec is unreliable. Furthermore, if you're constantly switching to CS, you'll miss way more blocks than lowering shield to 42 from 50.

Thanks mate, this was what I was after.

The spec suggestions I'l consider when I'm near lvl 50

Thu 10 Jan 2019 11:49 AM by opossum12

Tellus wrote: ↑
Thu 10 Jan 2019 9:52 AM
I've fooled around with the idea to roll a Luri Hero, back in the day I saw a video of a little luri swinging a big 2h hammer hitting the enemis from behind, I always found that fun
I know Luri hero is not the best pic, since they have low str and con, but I really dont care, and I get high dex for blocking (always fancied being a s/s rather than brute force)

My question:
I though about going 50 LW, 50 Shield, 25 piercing and rest parry

- How does my points in piercing effect LW damage?
(ex. Do I have to use a large weapon that does piercing damage, or can I use a hammer and do crush damage, and it wont effect the damage output)
- My points in piercing gives me higher weapon skill, so is 25 piercing sufficient?

I'm originally from alb, where you had to have your slash/thrust/crush up aswell since it effected your Polearm/2h damage. Its different here on hib.

To your first question:

- LW is unaffected by your weapon spec, it’s not like alb
- there are no pierce LW
- you can swap between slash and crush damage LW without any downside.

Thu 10 Jan 2019 12:15 PM by Kaziera

Tellus wrote: ↑
Thu 10 Jan 2019 11:28 AM
Kaziera wrote: ↑
Thu 10 Jan 2019 11:11 AM
Well here we Start again at the hero discussion. Imo there are two different uses for a hero.

First one is the pure peeler. Here i suggest a 50 spear 50 shield 10 blades rest parry spec.

Spear gives you best dmg and best defense penetration in your main task, snaring enemy tanks and light tanks with spear backsnare. 50 shield maxes your blockrate during guarding and against other peelers that atack you. Last point goes also for parry. 10 blades give you a sidesnare, which gives you a possibility to snare during guarding your teammates. But this is a backup. Preferrably is a quick switch from 1h guard to spear backsnare and back.

Second is the pure Offensive machine. 50 lw 39 spear 42 shield 10 blades rest parry.

50 lw for max dmg from lvl 50 backstyle. 39 spear for second best dmg when peeling. 42 shield for slam if you cant land your backstyle.

Both versions have their place. Its up to you to pick.

If Course mix forms exist and are totaly fine

Thanks for your take on how to spec mate, but my question was not regarding what spec to go for, rather how my low piercing/Blad/blunt skill effect my Large Weapon/Spear damage output, or does this have no effect ad all.

I understood your question as a lack of knowledge meta wise. Your question aimed for realmbased mechanics. My bad.

Save yourself the snarky reply pls next time. Its not nice. Ty.

Back to topic.

Lw dmg comes from lw spec and str. Slash and blunt dmg type alike.

Spear dmg comes from spear spec and str. No dex.

I strongly suggest going into low blades instead of crush or pierce. The most Important tool of the one hero for peeling is the snare and for dmg is anihilation, the lvl 50 lw style.

Pierce and blunt dont help you anything in that regard.