Give alb and hib group celerity

I feel like most albs and hibs are running mainly caster groups while mid is running pretty much everything. Diversity in group builds makes this game fun.

I think alb and hib should have access to group celerity.

It would give people a reason to invite certain classes like paladin. If you give him group celerity, the endu problem in tank groups would be solved as well and tank groups would have an easier time.

Maybe in hib, giving champ or VW group cele would be a nice way of improving their popularity in groups.

Sat 10 Nov 2018 6:49 PM by Sepplord

while we are at it, give alb/mid baseline stuns too

and mid/hib ... i don't know *G*

imo we don't need to homogenize all realms so each has everything...especially since such changes have to be followed by a complete redo of classbalancing

Sat 10 Nov 2018 7:21 PM by Kampfar

Spec af

Sat 10 Nov 2018 7:35 PM by Asrael

This isn't about who is at disadvantage.
If you play a support/hybrid class and there is no one that wants you to support them, and they replace you with potions and realm abilities, that's a problem.

Just thinking of ways to make certain classes viable.
I don't think giving those classes access to group cele would destroy balance, but would make a group consider inviting them and maybe bring some diversity to the standard body/heat debuff train group.

Sat 10 Nov 2018 8:40 PM by Kaziera

please no. keep the realms individual.

Mon 17 Dec 2018 9:18 PM by Salviati

I would absolutely second this suggestion. In fact, I think it's critical to give the Paladin celerity and access determination so Albion can run legitimate tank groups, with options, and make the Paladin specifically relevant in the RvR-portion of the game. I would even go so far as to change the endurance consumption mechanics for twisting chants and give the paladin some sort of ranged interrupt.

There is just so much working against the paladin. No decent snare, no det, can't afford to really twist because endurance consumption, so his resist chances are left out. He can be easily CC'd out of the fight. Has no real utility. There are just so many problems for the class and Albion in general where the only real successful groups are caster groups.

Celerity might be overkill, but Paladins should be able to move, peel, interrupt, and provide his chants (resists included) while being able to slam peel. There are many ways to accomplish this. But what I've said so far seems the most simple. Or, instead of celerity, some sort of ablative chant further reinforcing the albion theme of superior melee damage mitigation.

Mon 17 Dec 2018 10:59 PM by Hector

I vehemently disagree with this suggestion.

The uniqueness of the realms in DAoC is what makes the tri-realm system unique, rewarding, and fun.

As soon as you give everybody every ability, you are live daoc. No thanks.

Tue 18 Dec 2018 3:21 AM by Salviati

Hector wrote: ↑
Mon 17 Dec 2018 10:59 PM
I vehemently disagree with this suggestion.

The uniqueness of the realms in DAoC is what makes the tri-realm system unique, rewarding, and fun.

As soon as you give everybody every ability, you are live daoc. No thanks.

Well, for starters, it really doesn't matter. The game is way out of balance. Furthermore, nobody is suggesting giving everyone everything. But the fact of the matter is that Albion needs 2-4 classes/group spots to gain the same utility as one Mid/Hib. And Alb has the missing man problem, and their core endurance is a burden. That needs to be fixed whether you like it or not or hold some arbitrary perspective that things need to stay the same. This server seems to be making efforts to address the shortcomings of the 1.65 patch level, and there are many, and it seems like Mid is just getting stronger.

Paladins need love. Albion needs love as a whole. Giving Paladins utility is a way to address boh issues. Albion tank groups should present some interesting dynamics.

Tue 18 Dec 2018 3:46 AM by opossum12

I’d be fine giving pally a 15% group celerity chant/750 range (so that back peels don’t get it). Would give them a little edge.

Saying that hibs only run caster is not true at all, hib tankers > mid tanker hands down, they really don’t need celerity.

Tue 18 Dec 2018 11:13 AM by Hector

Salviati wrote: ↑
Tue 18 Dec 2018 3:21 AM
Hector wrote: ↑
Mon 17 Dec 2018 10:59 PM
I vehemently disagree with this suggestion.

The uniqueness of the realms in DAoC is what makes the tri-realm system unique, rewarding, and fun.

As soon as you give everybody every ability, you are live daoc. No thanks.

Well, for starters, it really doesn't matter. The game is way out of balance. Furthermore, nobody is suggesting giving everyone everything. But the fact of the matter is that Albion needs 2-4 classes/group spots to gain the same utility as one Mid/Hib. And Alb has the missing man problem, and their core endurance is a burden. That needs to be fixed whether you like it or not or hold some arbitrary perspective that things need to stay the same. This server seems to be making efforts to address the shortcomings of the 1.65 patch level, and there are many, and it seems like Mid is just getting stronger.

Paladins need love. Albion needs love as a whole. Giving Paladins utility is a way to address boh issues. Albion tank groups should present some interesting dynamics.

You are wrong. Alb has better casters than it does melee. Simply giving it celerity doesn't change that at all. The good groups will still run casters because of how high utility sorc-cab-theu are.

Btw, any group could easily run a paladin with all the group utility it brings now. Paladins got huge buffs. If people would rather run end pots than use the pally, that's on them. But drastically changing the dynamic of the game to arbitrarily buff a class that's gotten the most love of any thus far on this server is a bad idea.

Tue 18 Dec 2018 1:23 PM by opossum12

Hector wrote: ↑
Tue 18 Dec 2018 11:13 AM
Salviati wrote: ↑
Tue 18 Dec 2018 3:21 AM
Hector wrote: ↑
Mon 17 Dec 2018 10:59 PM
I vehemently disagree with this suggestion.

The uniqueness of the realms in DAoC is what makes the tri-realm system unique, rewarding, and fun.

As soon as you give everybody every ability, you are live daoc. No thanks.

Well, for starters, it really doesn't matter. The game is way out of balance. Furthermore, nobody is suggesting giving everyone everything. But the fact of the matter is that Albion needs 2-4 classes/group spots to gain the same utility as one Mid/Hib. And Alb has the missing man problem, and their core endurance is a burden. That needs to be fixed whether you like it or not or hold some arbitrary perspective that things need to stay the same. This server seems to be making efforts to address the shortcomings of the 1.65 patch level, and there are many, and it seems like Mid is just getting stronger.

Paladins need love. Albion needs love as a whole. Giving Paladins utility is a way to address boh issues. Albion tank groups should present some interesting dynamics.

You are wrong. Alb has better casters than it does melee. Simply giving it celerity doesn't change that at all. The good groups will still run casters because of how high utility sorc-cab-theu are.

Btw, any group could easily run a paladin with all the group utility it brings now. Paladins got huge buffs. If people would rather run end pots than use the pally, that's on them. But drastically changing the dynamic of the game to arbitrarily buff a class that's gotten the most love of any thus far on this server is a bad idea.

Alb tanker (necro setup) was a very viable group prior to endo changes.

Also, to add on Hector’s point, Alb (on live) currebtly has 3 classes that have celerity (pally, friar and minstrel) compared to 1 on hib and mid. However, you still see alb groups run casters 95% of the time, so celerity is definitely not the answer.

Tue 18 Dec 2018 1:35 PM by

Uthred

We will not add celerity on hib and alb.

Pally got a lot of love from us, no need for any further buffs.

If you want to run a melee grp but dont want to group the endo-class, then you will have to manage your endo very well and will not always have enough endo. That is intended and will also not be changed.

Anyways, locked as we will not give hib and/or alb celerity.