Can we go back to Phoenix September please

When this server was alive and fun?

or to Clarify for the denizens,

Before they messed with things for the "Better"

Tue 4 Dec 2018 12:25 AM by Takii

Are you really not aware that the server hasn't launched yet?

Tue 4 Dec 2018 3:14 AM by Sepplord

/facepalm

Tue 4 Dec 2018 11:37 PM by Vack

Well aware. The point is that they had everything on lock in September, but kept messing with the sauce. But lets keep putting stuff in with no one to test it. Seriously you folks are wound way tight.

/facepalm

Wed 5 Dec 2018 12:19 AM by Cadebrennus

Seriously. Just roll back the server patches to September, flaws and all. Still better than whatever the hell is going on now.

Wed 5 Dec 2018 12:29 AM by Hector

We are 2.5 weeks from the server shutting down for launch maintenance. Everybody take your chill pills and go outside

Thu 6 Dec 2018 7:12 PM by Vack

Hector are you the same Hector from Uthgard?

Thu 6 Dec 2018 8:30 PM by Kralin

Vack wrote: ↑
Thu 6 Dec 2018 7:12 PM
Hector are you the same Hector from Uthgard?

What's our vector, Victor?

Thu 6 Dec 2018 8:32 PM by

Uthred

Please, we cant go back to september. That would mean we are losing 3 month of work on the server.

Fri 7 Dec 2018 7:19 AM by Koljar

Well, it's somewhat like in RL (actually: it is becaus the staff invested their RL time here): If you don't like the taste go make your own soup.

jm2c

Fri 7 Dec 2018 3:35 PM by Isavyr

Why not suggest specific things that need to change (in your opinion)? Then discussion can be had.

Wed 12 Dec 2018 3:58 AM by Vack

Koljar wrote: ↑
Fri 7 Dec 2018 7:19 AM
Well, it's somewhat like in RL (actually: it is becaus the staff invested their RL time here): If you don't like the taste go make your own soup.

jm2c

That's very true.

Wed 12 Dec 2018 4:04 AM by Vack

Isavyr wrote: ↑
Fri 7 Dec 2018 3:35 PM
Why not suggest specific things that need to change (in your opinion)? Then discussion can be had.

I was pretty specific, roll the game to the rule set they had in September. Doesn't get more specific then that. Because they did 3 month of work on the server doesn't mean it was work to make anything better, in my opinion. Truth is game was very well balanced and felt right in the September era. And we tested a ton of stuff, few bugs here and there but nothing game changing.

I enjoy the debate, so please debate me that the game is better with the current rule set then it was in September.

Wed 12 Dec 2018 6:38 AM by Sepplord

Koljar wrote: ↑
Fri 7 Dec 2018 7:19 AM
Well, it's somewhat like in RL (actually: it is becaus the staff invested their RL time here): If you don't like the taste go make your own soup.

jm2c

Any restaurant should be delighted to get honest customer feedback if they don't like their soup though...instead of those customers simply not returning.
If your first reaction to dissatisfied customers is: well then go make your own XYZ, then i doubt any business run by you will be very succesful.

The feedback needs to be constructive though, and taking feedback seriously (which i believe the staff here does) doesn't mean you change your ways according to every one.

Wed 12 Dec 2018 7:00 AM by Cadebrennus

Vack wrote: ↑
Wed 12 Dec 2018 4:04 AM
Isavyr wrote: ↑
Fri 7 Dec 2018 3:35 PM
Why not suggest specific things that need to change (in your opinion)? Then discussion can be had.

I was pretty specific, roll the game to the rule set they had in September. Doesn't get more specific then that. Because they did 3 month of work on the server doesn't mean it was work to make anything better, in my opinion. Truth is game was very well balanced and felt right in the September era. And we tested a ton of stuff, few bugs here and there but nothing game changing.

I enjoy the debate, so please debate me that the game is better with the current rule set then it was in September.

Spot on

Wed 12 Dec 2018 7:19 AM by Sepplord

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Wed 12 Dec 2018 7:00 AM
Vack wrote: ↑
Wed 12 Dec 2018 4:04 AM
Isavyr wrote: ↑
Fri 7 Dec 2018 3:35 PM
Why not suggest specific things that need to change (in your opinion)? Then discussion can be had.

I was pretty specific, roll the game to the rule set they had in September. Doesn't get more specific then that. Because they did 3 month of work on the server doesn't mean it was work to make anything better, in my opinion. Truth is game was very well balanced and felt right in the September era. And we tested a ton of stuff, few bugs here and there but nothing game changing.

I enjoy the debate, so please debate me that the game is better with the current rule set then it was in September.

Spot on

Far from spot on, the burden of argumentation lies on the person wanting a change. Not on the people being fine with status quo.
The only argument presented so far is personal opinion. Imo it doesn't need to be argued that there are personal opinions that think the current state is better. The Staff implementing a change is a statement by itself that in their opinion the changed state is better.
The information WHAT he wants changed is there, but not a single fact about WHY

If someone wants to be debated, they need to start a debate. Not sit in an armchair going "come at me"

Wed 12 Dec 2018 7:43 AM by Cadebrennus

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Wed 12 Dec 2018 7:19 AM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Wed 12 Dec 2018 7:00 AM
Vack wrote: ↑
Wed 12 Dec 2018 4:04 AM
I was pretty specific, roll the game to the rule set they had in September. Doesn't get more specific then that. Because they did 3 month of work on the server doesn't mean it was work to make anything better, in my opinion. Truth is game was very well balanced and felt right in the September era. And we tested a ton of stuff, few bugs here and there but nothing game changing.

I enjoy the debate, so please debate me that the game is better with the current rule set then it was in September.

Spot on

Far from spot on, the burden of argumentation lies on the person wanting a change. Not on the people being fine with status quo.
The only argument presented so far is personal opinion. Imo it doesn't need to be argued that there are personal opinions that think the current state is better. The Staff implementing a change is a statement by itself that in their opinion the changed state is better.
The information WHAT he wants changed is there, but not a single fact about WHY

If someone wants to be debated, they need to start a debate. Not sit in an armchair going "come at me"

You have some salient points my friend but I am done debating regarding the wisdom of the flurry of eleventh hour changes by the staff. These changes should have been done in September, not during the last few weeks of beta. At best it's just bad planning.

Wed 12 Dec 2018 10:00 AM by

Uthred

Can we go back to Phoenix Setember please?

No, we cant. Sorry.