Proper 1v1 etiquette - Phoenix Freeshard

I’ve been playing exclusively on my ranger lately where I am solo (not grouped) 99% of the time. However, I find myself in spots where other hibs are so I often see fights break out near me. Unless I am the one attacked, or someone gets jumped by multiple enemies, I don’t join in on the fight because the general consensus is people want to have their 1v1 fights. This means that I sometimes stand by and watch a realm mate die, at which point I will try to kill the enemy once their fight has concluded. Is this the generally accepted behavior?

For me, I’m still learning the class and trying to practice landing side stun, etc. I lose more than win at this point 1v1, so I don’t mind people adding my fights because it keeps me from dying, releasing, rebuffing and running back. Just curious what other people around me expect so I react accordingly.

-Bostic

Mon 8 Oct 2018 7:04 PM by Druth

If I see a pure 1v1, I leave them alone.

If the area has fighting, I add whatever I can find, because you never know if they will turn on you after, or if others are about to add.

Mon 8 Oct 2018 7:09 PM by Thoop

Learn who the other cool soloers are and don't add on their fights unless they are outnumbered. If you witness a known stealth zerger in a 1v1 go ahead and assjam it, but if you continue to see him solo from then on maybe ease up on him because he might be looking to change his douche ways...

Edit: Don't kill your fellow cool soloers right after they finish a fight, that's just shitty.

Mon 8 Oct 2018 7:16 PM by Magesty

How people behave is going to be a total toss up. If you expect some sort of etiquette from other players in an RvR zone you are going to end up seeing red by the end of the night.

Personally I generally try to respect fights if they look to be clean 1v1s or guild vs guild (ones that don’t chase down soloers that is), but it’s hard to do that 100% of the time— especially in beta when everyone plays on different realms and has a bunch of characters. If my duo/trio kills a solo once or twice we will eventually stop and let them do their thing. The milegates and task zones can be chaotic though and it can be hard to who is what at times.

As time goes on you’ll begin to recognize the soloers that will respect your fights and the small mans/groups that won’t roll you on sight. If you are respectful of their fights in turn you’ll have a good relationship with them and it will generally be beneficial to your existence as a soloer. It’s not worth it to get too caught up in thinking there is some sort of chivalrous code in place, however, because if you do you’ll find yourself writing butthurt posts on these forums in no time.

Mon 8 Oct 2018 7:43 PM by colechar

I appreciate the feedback. I’ll continue to stay out of the 1v1 fights that I see, but if the enemy wins, I will do my best to finish that enemy off once the fight is over. I assume if I stumble upon an alb fighting a mid, I have free reign to engage however and whenever I choose.

I am starting to recognize names of other stealthers, especially the Mids. From my limited experience, mid stealthers seem to run predominantly solo (and the SBs wipe the floor with me) while the vast majority of albs run in packs. Few exceptions either way, but that’s been my experience thus far.

Now I just need a good spot in emain to camp out. AMG is a death zone.

Mon 8 Oct 2018 8:20 PM by florin

red is dead. downside of not adding to a 1v1 is that there is possibly a stealther nearby who is waiting to kill the winner or a fg that will roll through.

Get the kill fast and move on is my motto.

Mon 8 Oct 2018 10:36 PM by Thinal

Whatever code of conduct you think applies, I assure you that others will break it without even considering the question. I don't recommend it for real life, but in a game, your best strategy is whatever benefits you personally the most. That's probably to kill the guy, thereby getting some RPs and reducing the chance that he and his nearby stealthed friend won't be able to gang up on you after they kill your realm mate. Your realm mate might cuss you out for leeching his kill, but he could just as likely be happy to have not died. Either way, he can't do much to you.

Tue 9 Oct 2018 8:13 AM by Druth

florin wrote: ↑
Mon 8 Oct 2018 8:20 PM
red is dead. downside of not adding to a 1v1 is that there is possibly a stealther nearby who is waiting to kill the winner or a fg that will roll through.

Get the kill fast and move on is my motto.

I sadly have to agree.

The other day I ran past a Hib smallman fighting an Alb smallman, and if I had added (had both Purge and IP up) I would have changed the outcome.
When they ahd killed Albs, they attacked me.

Lesson when solo: Kill/add anything where you think you might survive or get RP's, because there are maybe 1% that will return the favour.

Apart from one hib group, not seen them for a while, everyone will kill you, even the so called 8man guilds.

Tue 9 Oct 2018 12:32 PM by Ganaka

Eat or be eaten! Never know when your next RP meal will come, so eat when you can!

Tue 9 Oct 2018 12:48 PM by Joc

I don't add on anyone. I also dont get upset when jammed, added, zerged, etc. I've made my RPS on live. I have an 11L7sb, 11L1inf, and 10L1ns. I didn't come here to accumulate RPS or RRs. I came here to have fun and challenging fights. My playstyle has always been 1v1. It's more fun and challenging to get a good fight 1v1 or 1v2 than to add on someone that is mid fight. That just doesn't take any amount of skill or preparation.

That being said, I respect the way anyone wants to play. I'm a loner typically so the stealth and speed classes have been my thing.

Tue 9 Oct 2018 3:28 PM by Dominus

my Skald is always added on. Just last night had a promising 1v1 with a armsman and got rolled by an Alb group. He said something to the group that I couldn't understand but I'm sure it was something like "dudes, wtf...."

Demia

Tue 9 Oct 2018 4:58 PM by Patron

I would add with Ranger for sure specially in low rr.
Thats what they are able to do.
When i would be rr 6+ i could imagine to change my douche play

Tue 9 Oct 2018 5:25 PM by Turtle006

I add on every fight I see, I am not a good enough player to be picky.

The only time i have seen someone let another go was when a NS and a SB/Hunter Duo killed my Inf and then hugged each other and left. I am almost always running duo or trio, and play mostly stealth, so I never really know if someone is solo of not. I might let a solo go if we were in a visi group that had killed them already a couple times, but I might not if they could report our position.

I also understand that visi groups generally kill all stealthers, I have no problem with that, they don't know how many of us there are and they have a (justified) fear/hatred of getting perfed or crit shot.

Wed 10 Oct 2018 6:53 PM by rubaduck

Druth wrote: ↑
Tue 9 Oct 2018 8:13 AM
florin wrote: ↑
Mon 8 Oct 2018 8:20 PM
red is dead. downside of not adding to a 1v1 is that there is possibly a stealther nearby who is waiting to kill the winner or a fg that will roll through.

Get the kill fast and move on is my motto.

I sadly have to agree.

The other day I ran past a Hib smallman fighting an Alb smallman, and if I had added (had both Purge and IP up) I would have changed the outcome.
When they ahd killed Albs, they attacked me.

Lesson when solo: Kill/add anything where you think you might survive or get RP's, because there are maybe 1% that will return the favour.

Apart from one hib group, not seen them for a while, everyone will kill you, even the so called 8man guilds.

We don't kill soloers unless they are blacklisted by us, and we're around.

Wed 10 Oct 2018 7:06 PM by Cadebrennus

If I see a solo fight going down then I'll leave them be. However if I see that a 1v1 is happening in a high traffic zone then it's best to just help your realmmate to finish the fight then get the hell out of there, lest they be run over.

Wed 10 Oct 2018 7:09 PM by Dominus

unless of course they're seeking Lone Enforcer

Wed 10 Oct 2018 7:23 PM by Cadebrennus

Dominus wrote: ↑
Wed 10 Oct 2018 7:09 PM
unless of course they're seeking Lone Enforcer

True, but someone that dedicated will have a "/s don't intervene I'm seeking lone enforcer title" macroed to their hotbar. Unfortunately nearly all of the "Lone Enforcers" on live were RP farming duel town residents. Because of that I will give someone respect in a 1v1 (or a soloer) in the open frontier as opposed to someone who is in a duel town so often that they start getting their mail forwarded there.

Thu 11 Oct 2018 12:21 AM by Joc

I hit LE on the inf and SB before dueltown even existed. It's far too easy to hit LE now on live. I went r1L1 to 8L0 in about 2 months. I had LE in about 8 months on the NS on live.

It will be tougher here though.

Thu 11 Oct 2018 2:38 AM by depth

I dont know if anyone mentioned this yet, but often when you are in a 1v1 and a player from the odd realm out adds on you guys, it is typical to team up and kill the rat piece of shit with your original opponent. After the adder has been dealt with, allow time for healing, and then either try the fight again or go your separate ways. Not everyone will pull off of you when there is an add obviously, but you will probably be surprised how many people will.

Tue 16 Oct 2018 3:34 AM by Armsmancer

There is no standard of etiquette it is like asking someone to define something ambiguous, you will get a slightly different response from nearly everyone you ask about the conditions of when or when not to do it.

Some say it is "frowned upon" but they mean those that think like the person saying so, while others will tell you differently.

Nobody here is the authority on the matter. What I will say is it is up to you, and for every engagement you are merciful there will be others where you are in the vulnerable position and the same courtesy will not be extended to you, and the above frowners will just shrug and say "oh well" so just do what feels right. Maybe take into account your history with those that are fighting, not like its some WoW random instance, you will actually know these names and remember if they extended that courtesy to you in the past.

There's also the realm mate of yours likely in a bind and I've literally had within 10 minutes at the same milegate solo battles one guy whining he saw me and "watched him die" and his buddy later when I jumped in a close fight bitch at me for "killspam stealing", again showing there is no authority or consensus on the matter.

Personally I treat every gun as if it were loaded, and every milegate like there's a stealther zerg slowly moving towards my realm mate fighting anyway so, once more, into the fray my lads.

Wed 17 Oct 2018 3:59 PM by Sepplord

Do what you enjoy and what you think is correct, and expect every enemy to assjam you in the most unfair way possible. If you go in with that mindset you can't get angry (but that is easier said than done)

If you add, some might call you a killstealer

If you watch me die, i would think you are not doing your job for the realm

Every person has a slightly different POV; and even people themselves have different views on the topic in different situations

I know there are groups that don't kill Solos, or only kill solo's that are on their "asshole list" and i also know that some solos got almost famous and respected for their "etiquette" but i know that they got there by not wanting to add fights. Getting a few RP wasn't appealing to them, and they wanted pure 1vs1 fights as often as possible (therefor them adding into fights only had downsides for them).

They didn't do it, to become respected, or to become knowledgeable as the dude who doesn't add....those are nice side effects that maybe happen sometime down the road

Wed 17 Oct 2018 4:21 PM by Dominus

had a nice 1v1 going last night when the Vendetta stealth zerg all ran out of stealth to steal some RPs from the guy. Sad, sad, sad. Tuzia, Tristaluna c'mon man.

Wed 17 Oct 2018 4:55 PM by poisonclover

use to keep going. until I would get jumped by everything and their mom if I was winning.

now its all fair game, only very few people will I just keep on going and not add.

Tue 27 Nov 2018 12:22 AM by Emeryc

I don't begrudge anyone for playing solo and seeking solo fights, nor do I begrudge 8 mans running around seeking 8v8s. I don't think less of either when they add or AJ or whatever you wanna call it. That said, the way I see it is: the "R" in RvR stands for REALM... those from outside of my realm are my enemies (in game) and shall be dealt with as such. (Here is a standing invitation to all my realmmates: Don't ever hesitate to kill any of my enemies in any situation, ever!)

I also think it's important to note that the idea of a "1v1" is to compete in a "fair fight." But how many 1v1 match-ups are actually "fair?" Is rr3 Ranger v rr7 Paladin a fair fight? Would it be acceptable for another Ranger to add on that fight? These are the kind of situations that make this topic really murky.

The game moves so fast now, there is rarely time enough to decide when it's appropriate to attack or not. To me, it just makes sense to err on the side of killing enemies.

Tue 27 Nov 2018 3:15 AM by Sepplord

Emeryc wrote: ↑
Tue 27 Nov 2018 12:22 AM
I don't begrudge anyone for playing solo and seeking solo fights, nor do I begrudge 8 mans running around seeking 8v8s. I don't think less of either when they add or AJ or whatever you wanna call it. That said, the way I see it is: the "R" in RvR stands for REALM... those from outside of my realm are my enemies (in game) and shall be dealt with as such. (Here is a standing invitation to all my realmmates: Don't ever hesitate to kill any of my enemies in any situation, ever!)

I also think it's important to note that the idea of a "1v1" is to compete in a "fair fight." But how many 1v1 match-ups are actually "fair?" Is rr3 Ranger v rr7 Paladin a fair fight? Would it be acceptable for another Ranger to add on that fight? These are the kind of situations that make this topic really murky.

The game moves so fast now, there is rarely time enough to decide when it's appropriate to attack or not. To me, it just makes sense to err on the side of killing enemies.

couldn't agree more, in the end to each their own, but the worst that happens to me is if I am losing a fight and see realmmates run by letting me/us die. I respect their decision but it feels the most "off".

small anecdote that just comes to my mind reading this:
Sunday I was smallmanning with two friends and we ran over an Armsman or Paladin (couldn't tell be cause all he did was laugh spam). My friend said something along the lines of "oh I know that name, he's a die hard 1vs1 dude" and all I could say was: "Can't be, if he was a diehard 1vs1 dude he wouldn't expect to be spared just because he is solo"

Tue 27 Nov 2018 7:20 AM by Druth

It's highly situational for me.

1) No 1v1 is fair, lets not kid ourselves. Every 1v1 starts of imbalanced due to classes. Ex. I don't mind 2 archers attacking my reaver, they are at a clear disadvantage solo.

2) Area... MG's is chaotic, and I expect people who are not just passing through, but camping there, to be adders. So if you want a clean 1v1, dont stop there, keep moving.
Also areas with lot of stealther activity I will attack any stealther I see, as I will assume I only have a few seconds before I get zerged.

3) History... some names you just remember for very rarely adding. Ex. Leichensanni group has never ever killed my solo VW/Reaver/Paladin, and that means I will always leave their fights alone. I realise this is OT to 1v1, but history of who adds and who doesn't is important here. I try to start at zero every day, but some names stick for good and for worse.

Tue 27 Nov 2018 10:47 AM by Chaskha

After a while, each realm will have some names renown as solo players with an etiquette. While I am red is dead, I will respect my fellow players play style once I know them.

Tue 27 Nov 2018 12:55 PM by Kaosfury

LOL....just lol

solo? rp farming? lol lone enforcers, what a joke.

RvR, Realm Vs. Realm.

bunch of jokers

Tue 27 Nov 2018 5:35 PM by phixion

There is no proper 1v1 etiquette.

Picture this:

You respect 1v1 and never add.

You are in a 1v1, you get added on by some leech, you die.

You respawn, you find that leech and add on his fight.

Congratulations, you will now be forever known as an adder and will never get a fair 1v1 again.

Tue 27 Nov 2018 10:15 PM by Tydowen

There is no etiquette, you still get add 90% of time or get chase by fg as solo. People don't give shit on this beta, too much characters/names.
I personaly dont mind get 2vs1 or max 3vs1, after I think it's 0 interest, char wipe+chance to get add by this solo all the time+chance to get add while you kill the solo+you don't learn anything. I think it's a real missplay to chase solo and get killed coz your group is split.

We should not expect any fair fight in a first place, maybe once the server's population is stabilize. Also because by then, acting as douchebag can give you more problems than benefits on long term. It's still a private server, the community is not big

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Wed 28 Nov 2018 3:08 AM by Sepplord

Tydowen wrote: ↑
Tue 27 Nov 2018 10:15 PM
We should not expect any fair fight

I agree with the rest of your post, but this (imo) is the real quintessence.

Not only for Soloers, but for everyone stepping into a frontier zone.

DAoC never was about fair fights, and if you play it with the expectations of having fair fights you will be unhappy....and getting merged/assjammed/added and die sucks enough already without making the enemy evil for behaving like that

Wed 28 Nov 2018 4:13 AM by Cadebrennus

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Wed 28 Nov 2018 3:08 AM
Tydowen wrote: ↑
Tue 27 Nov 2018 10:15 PM
We should not expect any fair fight

I agree with the rest of your post, but this (imo) is the real quintessence.

Not only for Soloers, but for everyone stepping into a frontier zone.

DAoC never was about fair fights, and if you play it with the expectations of having fair fights you will be unhappy....and getting merged/assjammed/added and die sucks enough already without making the enemy evil for behaving like that

Mon 10 Dec 2018 10:47 PM by Emeryc

Just want to mention here that I've been running around for about a month on Phoenix... 99% of the time I'm solo, mostly stealth but sometimes visible. I've been passed up exactly 0 times by small groups and/or 8-mans.

Again, I don't mind because I'm an enemy and I SHOULD be getting attacked by my enemies. My point is that no one should expect to be passed up just because they're solo.

Tue 11 Dec 2018 9:42 AM by Skorra

Tydowen wrote: ↑
Tue 27 Nov 2018 10:15 PM
We should not expect any fair fight in a first place, maybe once the server's population is stabilize. Also because by then, acting as douchebag can give you more problems than benefits on long term. It's still a private server, the community is not big .

I guess Guys like you want /bow 1vs1. This is so toxic and not DAoC-Like. As soon as the server goes live, there are many players who have not played DAoC for 10 years. They don't know about your Sharia-Police-1vs1-etiquette.

I play Ranger/NS all the time and searching for 1vsX and never fight against "the /bow lost souls". This is real solo! My play time is MEZ 8 pm.
Nobody forces you to play solo! So stop claiming any special rules and zones!

Tue 11 Dec 2018 2:42 PM by Ceen

I like soloers some easy extra RP dont hurt =)

Sun 23 Dec 2018 1:34 PM by Rom_1

I liked the PvP area, because it was a nice place where you could group with your daily ennemies, and WOW you just realize they are human beings and they are cool!! And when you're back to Emain, and see them fight or add you, you can just laugh and say "ahah I know this guy I played with him yesterday" and continue to play.

Guys, this game is a war game. Adding or not is YOUR decision and it should not be impulse by someone. Just keep playing and having fun. It's the only important thing.

They other day, was running, saw a 5v5, threw 2 arrows, some guy ask me "can we do 5v5 plz?" I respected that, and moved away. While I was running off, another guy of that same grp said "FU Dude", and started to blame me of "Lowskiller". You see? 1 situation, 2 ways to react. The result was the same, I already stopped to add because, in this situation, I decided to let them do their 5v5. But honestly, if the cool guy didn't asked me before, I would have continued to add just because the other douchebag was so rude.
End of the story, the guys logged off after having lost 2 or 3 fights, injuring me for adding because I broke their CC. Unfortunately, I didn't meet them during their 2 or 3 fights, was camping elsewhere, so nobody added them, nobody broke their CC, they just tried to find excuses to their Failure.

So whatever the etiquette you want to have, you will be judged because you are a stealther. So just get ready to fight

Sun 23 Dec 2018 2:50 PM by phixion

Yeah I mean it's always been like that, stealthers get added on by FG's but God forbid they add on an 8v8...

Sun 23 Dec 2018 3:40 PM by relvinian

phixion wrote: ↑
Sun 23 Dec 2018 2:50 PM
Yeah I mean it's always been like that, stealthers get added on by FG's but God forbid they add on an 8v8...

Stealthers adding to fgs here just die.

Unless they are green. BTW, all those wanting anything like fair fights, i assume that means you won't be ganking xpers on your 50?

Sun 23 Dec 2018 4:10 PM by phixion

relvinian wrote: ↑
Sun 23 Dec 2018 3:40 PM
Stealthers adding to fgs here just die.

Unless they are green. BTW, all those wanting anything like fair fights, i assume that means you won't be ganking xpers on your 50?

Only if solo, a stealth grp can easily snipe a few and screw over a fight

Sat 12 Jan 2019 2:43 AM by Freudinio

Emeryc wrote: ↑
Mon 10 Dec 2018 10:47 PM
Just want to mention here that I've been running around for about a month on Phoenix... 99% of the time I'm solo, mostly stealth but sometimes visible. I've been passed up exactly 0 times by small groups and/or 8-mans.

Again, I don't mind because I'm an enemy and I SHOULD be getting attacked by my enemies. My point is that no one should expect to be passed up just because they're solo.

Don't worry, they will make sure to point out, should you ever add in on one of their fights.

Sat 12 Jan 2019 3:12 AM by Doiri

Baman was the fairest player on Uthgard. Everytime he was in DF, he had like 100 1v1s

and he won them all

Sat 12 Jan 2019 10:02 AM by relvinian

I always assumed he wanted to be batman but the name was taken.

Sun 20 Jan 2019 11:41 PM by genchaos9

If you step into the Frontier, expect to die at any moment by any number of enemies. You want fair? Go to one and get some cotton candy.