EXPLOIT OR, NOT? - Phoenix Freeshard

I would appreciate devs response on the tactics hibs rangers used to down relic gates the last couple of nights. This led to Hibernia capturing the relic tonight.
I would like to congratulate Hibernia on the successful take, but if there was unsavory means to capture it, it should be returned as soon as possible.

Tue 27 Nov 2018 3:03 AM by Sepplord

care to explain?

and are you really asking a question if you call them cheaters?

Tue 27 Nov 2018 3:15 AM by Cadebrennus

Yes, what exactly was the exploit?

Tue 27 Nov 2018 3:18 AM by Sepplord

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Tue 27 Nov 2018 3:15 AM
Yes, what exactly was the exploit?

CONFESS WHAT YOU DID

if there's something about rangers, you are the last person to not know

only thing that comes to my mind would be vollying the keep doors from far away if that's possible...but I don't think volley would target the doors would it?

Tue 27 Nov 2018 3:30 AM by Cadebrennus

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 27 Nov 2018 3:18 AM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Tue 27 Nov 2018 3:15 AM
Yes, what exactly was the exploit?

CONFESS WHAT YOU DID

only thing that comes to my mind would be vollying the keep doors from far away if that's possible...but I don't think volley would target the doors would it?

LMAO I knew someone was going to say that! Et tu Sepplord, et tu? Luckily I have an alibi, I didn't log on last night because I was painting my final project for school. Hah!

I'm trying to remember the (useless) RA. I think it's GTAOE so maybe, but the reuse timer makes its usefulness negligible. Honestly if the timer was removed it would actually be useful but not OP. I prefer the live iteration because despite the timer (not too long as far as I remember) it was only very situationally useful.

I do know that Standard Shot does some decent damage to keep doors but still not as much as simply parking your ass as an added body on a ram, so nothing game-breaking there.

I'm still curious as to what this alleged exploit is.

Tue 27 Nov 2018 3:39 AM by Waygone

I must admit that exploit was a word used on /advice on alb
Seems odd that both doors can be brought down by a handful of rangers. I'm not privy to the details and will adjust wording on OP..
I'm just asking for clarification

Tue 27 Nov 2018 3:42 AM by Sepplord

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Tue 27 Nov 2018 3:30 AM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 27 Nov 2018 3:18 AM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Tue 27 Nov 2018 3:15 AM
Yes, what exactly was the exploit?

CONFESS WHAT YOU DID

only thing that comes to my mind would be vollying the keep doors from far away if that's possible...but I don't think volley would target the doors would it?

LMAO I knew someone was going to say that! Et tu Sepplord, et tu? Luckily I have an alibi, I didn't log on last night because I was painting my final project for school. Hah!

I'm trying to remember the (useless) RA. I think it's GTAOE so maybe, but the reuse timer makes its usefulness negligible. Honestly if the timer was removed it would actually be useful but not OP. I prefer the live iteration because despite the timer (not too long as far as I remember) it was only very situationally useful.

I do know that Standard Shot does some decent damage to keep doors but still not as much as simply parking your ass as an added body on a ram, so nothing game-breaking there.

I'm still curious as to what this alleged exploit is.

hehe, I can't log in much currently neither...I am on vacation and my laptop screen broke, every time my wife is away for a few hours with the kids I have to basically remodel the TV room, connect laptop to TV, use some old papercase as mousepad, put the laptop on legs AND cool It with additional (sealed) ice cubes from the top or it will shutdown. Too much hassle to exploit relic doors

but I didn't mean to be accusing, I was more thinking that if there's something rangers can do you would know and could obliterate OPs accusations with a detailed rundown what you did and how it's not an exploit and really easy to counter etc...

guess we will have to wait a bit more for OP to tell us what happened

Tue 27 Nov 2018 3:42 AM by Waygone

Also, there is also a bug report on it already
It was an issue with avoiding LoS within guard range..

Tue 27 Nov 2018 4:07 AM by Sepplord

Waygone wrote: ↑
Tue 27 Nov 2018 3:42 AM
Also, there is also a bug report on it already
It was an issue with avoiding LoS within guard range..

okay, that does sound like an exploit...

good to find such stuff on beta though, I don't think there will be relic resets because of it though

Tue 27 Nov 2018 4:42 AM by Cadebrennus

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 27 Nov 2018 3:42 AM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Tue 27 Nov 2018 3:30 AM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 27 Nov 2018 3:18 AM
CONFESS WHAT YOU DID

only thing that comes to my mind would be vollying the keep doors from far away if that's possible...but I don't think volley would target the doors would it?

LMAO I knew someone was going to say that! Et tu Sepplord, et tu? Luckily I have an alibi, I didn't log on last night because I was painting my final project for school. Hah!

I'm trying to remember the (useless) RA. I think it's GTAOE so maybe, but the reuse timer makes its usefulness negligible. Honestly if the timer was removed it would actually be useful but not OP. I prefer the live iteration because despite the timer (not too long as far as I remember) it was only very situationally useful.

I do know that Standard Shot does some decent damage to keep doors but still not as much as simply parking your ass as an added body on a ram, so nothing game-breaking there.

I'm still curious as to what this alleged exploit is.

hehe, I can't log in much currently neither...I am on vacation and my laptop screen broke, every time my wife is away for a few hours with the kids I have to basically remodel the TV room, connect laptop to TV, use some old papercase as mousepad, put the laptop on legs AND cool It with additional (sealed) ice cubes from the top or it will shutdown. Too much hassle to exploit relic doors

but I didn't mean to be accusing, I was more thinking that if there's something rangers can do you would know and could obliterate OPs accusations with a detailed rundown what you did and how it's not an exploit and really easy to counter etc...

guess we will have to wait a bit more for OP to tell us what happened

No worries I know it was all in good fun, hence the quote from Julius Caesar. The only thing I mentioned in my previous post was standard shooting the door. Several Rangers could definitely do it albeit slower than a ram.

Tue 27 Nov 2018 6:09 AM by Waygone

Can someone testify that all relics taken by hibs weren't taken by this means?
Just another reason RELICS SHOULD BE RESET!
Reset, then fix bugs and test..
Needs to be tested to check for exploitable LoS issues

Tue 27 Nov 2018 9:11 AM by Druth

Waygone wrote: ↑
Tue 27 Nov 2018 6:09 AM
Can someone testify that all relics taken by hibs weren't taken by this means?
Just another reason RELICS SHOULD BE RESET!
Reset, then fix bugs and test..
Needs to be tested to check for exploitable LoS issues

Not sure if you are being sarcastic...
Anyway, Beta and hibs are the least played realm, so who cares...?

If it's an exploit, they should just fix it and move on so we don't see this when we go Live (hype!).

Tue 27 Nov 2018 11:39 AM by Kaosfury

If everybody was testing like they were supposed to be doors keeps gate relics etc, absolutely none of this would be an issue. The server would be much further along as far as bugs, and in a better place.

But we all know what people rather do right they would rather.......

.....i dont know...the emain macha shuffle, this crap would have been fixed months ago.

The player base needs to pull their head out of their booty and actually started doing things for the server instead of themselves

Tue 27 Nov 2018 5:17 PM by Waygone

Druth wrote: ↑
Tue 27 Nov 2018 9:11 AM
Waygone wrote: ↑
Tue 27 Nov 2018 6:09 AM
Can someone testify that all relics taken by hibs weren't taken by this means?
Just another reason RELICS SHOULD BE RESET!
Reset, then fix bugs and test..
Needs to be tested to check for exploitable LoS issues

Not sure if you are being sarcastic...
Anyway, Beta and hibs are the least played realm, so who cares...?

If it's an exploit, they should just fix it and move on so we don't see this when we go Live (hype!).

The exploit has absolutely nothing to do with realm population.
The main reason hib is underpopulated is due to emain being too far of a run. When CV is open it usually balances out.
As far as the bug that was exploited, like I mentioned before, it has been reported by Romulus and I'm sure they will fix it.

Wed 28 Nov 2018 3:24 PM by Thinal

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 27 Nov 2018 4:07 AM
Waygone wrote: ↑
Tue 27 Nov 2018 3:42 AM
Also, there is also a bug report on it already
It was an issue with avoiding LoS within guard range..

okay, that does sound like an exploit...

good to find such stuff on beta though, I don't think there will be relic resets because of it though

This is an exploit? I thought it was the intended mechanic, and guards only attack if they A) have line of sight or B) are within range of another guard yelling for help.

If it's not the intended mechanic, then fix it, but don't expect me to rush the front gate just to be "fair." And no, I wasn't part of this group, just done some playing around in the dead BGs.

Wed 28 Nov 2018 5:24 PM by Cadebrennus

If more people actually tested stuff rather than goofing off in Emain 24/7 then stuff like this would have been found much faster in beta.

Thu 29 Nov 2018 3:05 AM by Sepplord

Thinal wrote: ↑
Wed 28 Nov 2018 3:24 PM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 27 Nov 2018 4:07 AM
Waygone wrote: ↑
Tue 27 Nov 2018 3:42 AM
Also, there is also a bug report on it already
It was an issue with avoiding LoS within guard range..

okay, that does sound like an exploit...

good to find such stuff on beta though, I don't think there will be relic resets because of it though

This is an exploit? I thought it was the intended mechanic, and guards only attack if they A) have line of sight or B) are within range of another guard yelling for help.

If it's not the intended mechanic, then fix it, but don't expect me to rush the front gate just to be "fair." And no, I wasn't part of this group, just done some playing around in the dead BGs.

i have no idea what exactly happened, and I am not accusing anyone

it sounded as if someone was exploiting guardpathing/guardLOS. If that wasn't the case, then all good.
If it was, also good, it was found and can be fixed.