Stealth Detection has gotten out of hand at its current state

I have no idea how or why this is a thing, But last night I was ran over by people on speed 6 and had people just /stick me and pop me out of stealth.

on a hunter with 45 spec stealth and a sb with 40 spec stealth.

I'm not quite sure what was changed but I really hope you guys are just doing this for the beta and because stealth population is so high.

and revert some of these changes back, because nerfing a Spec line based on tons of stealthers running around just seems unfair and biased at this point. and they seem to come on a weekly basis at this point.

I also mentioned awhile ago that Mastery of stealth movement speed is not working correctly. Someone with 30-34 spec stealth is moving at the same speed as someone with 35-39 spec. meaning that the MOS you receive at 30 and 35 are the same speed.

Mon 26 Nov 2018 6:41 PM by Cadebrennus

poisonclover wrote: ↑
Mon 26 Nov 2018 4:08 PM
I have no idea how or why this is a thing, But last night I was ran over by people on speed 6 and had people just /stick me and pop me out of stealth.

on a hunter with 45 spec stealth and a sb with 40 spec stealth.

I'm not quite sure what was changed but I really hope you guys are just doing this for the beta and because stealth population is so high.

and revert some of these changes back, because nerfing a Spec line based on tons of stealthers running around just seems unfair and biased at this point. and they seem to come on a weekly basis at this point.

I also mentioned awhile ago that Mastery of stealth movement speed is not working correctly. Someone with 30-34 spec stealth is moving at the same speed as someone with 35-39 spec. meaning that the MOS you receive at 30 and 35 are the same speed.

Why were you stealthed in a location where a group running at Speed6 could just run you over? If you're stealthed in a location like that then you should be found.

Mon 26 Nov 2018 6:48 PM by Waygone

It could have been they popped a SL pot but I doubt it
If not, they should definitely not see you at all running through at speed6
I rarely see stealthers on my necro and have a tough time refinding them when I do see them

Mon 26 Nov 2018 6:50 PM by Thinal

From patch 2018-11-23:
"adjusted stealth detection decrease based on speed (now divides radius by speed / default speed), still only in effect when over sprint speed"

Before this change, the speed penalty was SUBTRACTED from the detection range, making zero detection not only possible but likely with groups with speed classes in them. After the change, the penalty is DIVIDED, and therefore never goes to zero.

I'm not thrilled with the change either, but I'm not sure if no longer being able to completely ignore FGs is a bad thing. I'd always (needlessly) maneuvered through FGs so I wasn't hit as harshly by the change as you were, and I might be more peeved if I'd gotten used to them being unable to see me as most stealthers had. The problem being of course that getting out of the way of FGs leaves you a zillion miles away and walking through mud to intercept a solo.

On the plus side, it means you can also run realm speed + sprint and still find stealthers, and more easily than a FG at speed 6.

Mon 26 Nov 2018 6:51 PM by Cadebrennus

BTW I have 10 Stealth and I haven't been popped by a Visi group yet.

Mon 26 Nov 2018 7:24 PM by Thinal

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Mon 26 Nov 2018 6:51 PM
BTW I have 10 Stealth and I haven't been popped by a Visi group yet.

Dude, I've seen you a mile away on my SB. If I carefully parse "haven't been popped by a Visi group yet," then even if I'd popped you, your statement would technically still be true. But what little stealth you have left isn't doing you any huge favors.

I remember many years ago during the short time I did play DAoC, one "strategy" was to run a 1 stealth ranger and toggle stealth mode as a detector: if you couldn't stealth from being too close to an enemy, be on your guard. I didn't play long enough to determine if it were a viable strategy, but in your case it might be more useful than the 10+RR you have now.

Mon 26 Nov 2018 7:33 PM by Sepplord

I haven't found any stealthier when small manning with a skald/thane duo Sunday...was there another change today?

and it wasn't a L2P issue since I got them with the PBAoE DD anyways, so they weren't far away from where I suspected them

Mon 26 Nov 2018 9:08 PM by Cadebrennus

Thinal wrote: ↑
Mon 26 Nov 2018 7:24 PM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Mon 26 Nov 2018 6:51 PM
BTW I have 10 Stealth and I haven't been popped by a Visi group yet.

Dude, I've seen you a mile away on my SB. If I carefully parse "haven't been popped by a Visi group yet," then even if I'd popped you, your statement would technically still be true. But what little stealth you have left isn't doing you any huge favors.

I remember many years ago during the short time I did play DAoC, one "strategy" was to run a 1 stealth ranger and toggle stealth mode as a detector: if you couldn't stealth from being too close to an enemy, be on your guard. I didn't play long enough to determine if it were a viable strategy, but in your case it might be more useful than the 10+RR you have now.

Oh I know, I got kind of stupid during the PvP event. Not going to deny it. After that I went back to my old methods and was fine.

BTW did you kill me or I kill you when you were on the SB? I was 50/50 with SBs during the PvP event.

Mon 26 Nov 2018 9:56 PM by Thinal

I don't think I killed you or was killed by you unless I didn't notice the name. The time I did notice, you were on HMG with 3-4 visibles around and I wasn't gonna be a hero...

Archer classes do have the advantage of being able to get ignore pain, so on an archer I usually beat the assassin, and on an assassin I usually lose to the archer. I've been playing / testing mostly SBs lately, but I also play rangers, nightshades, and hunters. Or I log on my animist to 'shroom the HMG / yell at other animists for planting tanglers, and he gets more RPs than anybody else.

Mon 26 Nov 2018 10:38 PM by Cadebrennus

Thinal wrote: ↑
Mon 26 Nov 2018 9:56 PM
I don't think I killed you or was killed by you unless I didn't notice the name. The time I did notice, you were on HMG with 3-4 visibles around and I wasn't gonna be a hero...

Archer classes do have the advantage of being able to get ignore pain, so on an archer I usually beat the assassin, and on an assassin I usually lose to the archer. I've been playing / testing mostly SBs lately, but I also play rangers, nightshades, and hunters. Or I log on my animist to 'shroom the HMG / yell at other animists for planting tanglers, and he gets more RPs than anybody else.

Interesting. Because I group with Visis most of the time I don't have IP so if I win it's in a straight up brawl.

When I stealth it's usually behind some sort of cover so more than likely you were staring at my backside lol

Tue 27 Nov 2018 3:02 PM by poisonclover

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Mon 26 Nov 2018 6:41 PM
poisonclover wrote: ↑
Mon 26 Nov 2018 4:08 PM
I have no idea how or why this is a thing, But last night I was ran over by people on speed 6 and had people just /stick me and pop me out of stealth.

on a hunter with 45 spec stealth and a sb with 40 spec stealth.

I'm not quite sure what was changed but I really hope you guys are just doing this for the beta and because stealth population is so high.

and revert some of these changes back, because nerfing a Spec line based on tons of stealthers running around just seems unfair and biased at this point. and they seem to come on a weekly basis at this point.

I also mentioned awhile ago that Mastery of stealth movement speed is not working correctly. Someone with 30-34 spec stealth is moving at the same speed as someone with 35-39 spec. meaning that the MOS you receive at 30 and 35 are the same speed.

Why were you stealthed in a location where a group running at Speed6 could just run you over? If you're stealthed in a location like that then you should be found.

So you're asking why was I stealthed on a character who relies on being stealthed on well traveled routes,, at a location where I could be just ran over? /ponder I actually thought you had some kind of intelligence. /scratch that

Tue 27 Nov 2018 3:04 PM by poisonclover

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Mon 26 Nov 2018 6:51 PM
BTW I have 10 Stealth and I haven't been popped by a Visi group yet.

Ah, your one of these guys now.. when I grow up I want to be as good as you.

Tue 27 Nov 2018 5:44 PM by phixion

Waygone wrote: ↑
Mon 26 Nov 2018 6:48 PM
It could have been they popped a SL pot but I doubt it
If not, they should definitely not see you at all running through at speed6
I rarely see stealthers on my necro and have a tough time refinding them when I do see them

I got one shot out of stealth by a BD pet when a group ran over me at speed 6.

Tue 27 Nov 2018 6:21 PM by Cadebrennus

poisonclover wrote: ↑
Tue 27 Nov 2018 3:02 PM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Mon 26 Nov 2018 6:41 PM
poisonclover wrote: ↑
Mon 26 Nov 2018 4:08 PM
I have no idea how or why this is a thing, But last night I was ran over by people on speed 6 and had people just /stick me and pop me out of stealth.

on a hunter with 45 spec stealth and a sb with 40 spec stealth.

I'm not quite sure what was changed but I really hope you guys are just doing this for the beta and because stealth population is so high.

and revert some of these changes back, because nerfing a Spec line based on tons of stealthers running around just seems unfair and biased at this point. and they seem to come on a weekly basis at this point.

I also mentioned awhile ago that Mastery of stealth movement speed is not working correctly. Someone with 30-34 spec stealth is moving at the same speed as someone with 35-39 spec. meaning that the MOS you receive at 30 and 35 are the same speed.

Why were you stealthed in a location where a group running at Speed6 could just run you over? If you're stealthed in a location like that then you should be found.

So you're asking why was I stealthed on a character who relies on being stealthed on well traveled routes,, at a location where I could be just ran over? /ponder I actually thought you had some kind of intelligence. /scratch that

Read the stealth section of my Ranger guide and then get back to me.

Wed 28 Nov 2018 4:38 PM by poisonclover

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Tue 27 Nov 2018 6:21 PM
poisonclover wrote: ↑
Tue 27 Nov 2018 3:02 PM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Mon 26 Nov 2018 6:41 PM
Why were you stealthed in a location where a group running at Speed6 could just run you over? If you're stealthed in a location like that then you should be found.

So you're asking why was I stealthed on a character who relies on being stealthed on well traveled routes,, at a location where I could be just ran over? /ponder I actually thought you had some kind of intelligence. /scratch that

Read the stealth section of my Ranger guide and then get back to me.

You guide has absolutely nothing to do with your comment.

Wed 28 Nov 2018 4:48 PM by poisonclover

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Tue 27 Nov 2018 6:21 PM
poisonclover wrote: ↑
Tue 27 Nov 2018 3:02 PM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Mon 26 Nov 2018 6:41 PM
Why were you stealthed in a location where a group running at Speed6 could just run you over? If you're stealthed in a location like that then you should be found.

So you're asking why was I stealthed on a character who relies on being stealthed on well traveled routes,, at a location where I could be just ran over? /ponder I actually thought you had some kind of intelligence. /scratch that

Read the stealth section of my Ranger guide and then get back to me.

I read the stealth section of your guide, Stealth on this server is just broken. Mos Speed levels are not working as intended. Stealth spec means absolutely nothing when it comes to Detection, So yes you can get away with dropping your stealth spec simply because you will travel at the same speed with 30 spec or 39 spec stealth which is the only reason your stealth theory works here. otherwise, what stealthier do you know is going to be crawling around at such a slow moving speed.

Your playing a class that can easily get away with running a low stealth spec due to ranger DPS being just out of hand. That only works for rangers currently, because a scout and a hunter cant afford to do what your saying because once in melee they are dead, a ranger can actually out dps an assassin as it stands right now even with only sub 20 spec celtic dual.

So back to your comment. delete it. because getting one foot in on my original post to some how incorporate your opinion vs my actual /play time as a solo scout to rr6 pre i50, and sb on this server after i-50 trumps you running around with a bard and a bm popping solo stealthers for 300 rps.

Wed 28 Nov 2018 5:21 PM by Cadebrennus

poisonclover wrote: ↑
Wed 28 Nov 2018 4:48 PM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Tue 27 Nov 2018 6:21 PM
poisonclover wrote: ↑
Tue 27 Nov 2018 3:02 PM
So you're asking why was I stealthed on a character who relies on being stealthed on well traveled routes,, at a location where I could be just ran over? /ponder I actually thought you had some kind of intelligence. /scratch that

Read the stealth section of my Ranger guide and then get back to me.

I read the stealth section of your guide, Stealth on this server is just broken. Mos Speed levels are not working as intended. Stealth spec means absolutely nothing when it comes to Detection, So yes you can get away with dropping your stealth spec simply because you will travel at the same speed with 30 spec or 39 spec stealth which is the only reason your stealth theory works here. otherwise, what stealthier do you know is going to be crawling around at such a slow moving speed.

Your playing a class that can easily get away with running a low stealth spec due to ranger DPS being just out of hand. That only works for rangers currently, because a scout and a hunter cant afford to do what your saying because once in melee they are dead, a ranger can actually out dps an assassin as it stands right now even with only sub 20 spec celtic dual.

So back to your comment. delete it. because getting one foot in on my original post to some how incorporate your opinion vs my actual /play time as a solo scout to rr6 pre i50, and sb on this server after i-50 trumps you running around with a bard and a bm popping solo stealthers for 300 rps.

I'll post a video later today showing Ranger DPS "out of hand". It was a 1v1 fight I lost to an Infil, and it was a pretty even match.

You have a gift for hyperbole and deceptive statements.

Wed 2 Jan 2019 10:22 PM by florin

poisonclover wrote: ↑
Mon 26 Nov 2018 4:08 PM
I have no idea how or why this is a thing, But last night I was ran over by people on speed 6 and had people just /stick me and pop me out of stealth.

on a hunter with 45 spec stealth and a sb with 40 spec stealth.

I'm not quite sure what was changed but I really hope you guys are just doing this for the beta and because stealth population is so high.

and revert some of these changes back, because nerfing a Spec line based on tons of stealthers running around just seems unfair and biased at this point. and they seem to come on a weekly basis at this point.

I also mentioned awhile ago that Mastery of stealth movement speed is not working correctly. Someone with 30-34 spec stealth is moving at the same speed as someone with 35-39 spec. meaning that the MOS you receive at 30 and 35 are the same speed.

Think I found your MoS bug - it took 20 days but they fixed it https://tracker.playphoenix.online/issues/70cf5614-70de-4e60-b499-4ae37dff51cb