What's up with the amount of SB's?

Started 7 Nov 2018
by Sepplord
in RvR
Is there something broken about SBs currently? (serious question, i don't know myself)
I just see that they are by far the most played class, when just a few days ago everyone was whining about the scoutzerg and OP-Dragonfang
Fewer scouts i can understand, since 5min purge makes them even more fodder in melee than before and they can basically only leach now.
Was Dragonfang nerfed and all Infs went midgard?

Just checked and 23 SB to 3 infiltrators (when total POP is 230players)

Anyone know what is attracting so many to play SB? I know about 2H PA...but that never was THAT OP was it (also serious question, i haven't played assassins)
Thu 8 Nov 2018 8:07 AM by Glimmer
They can get purge every 5min, maybe thats why :p
Thu 8 Nov 2018 11:34 AM by chois
Easy to understand. ... 5mn purge is a direct nerf for slam scout and dragoninfi: p not easy for them now and mid it s the other realm to directly reach emain so......
Thu 8 Nov 2018 12:33 PM by Asakura
As scout you have now hard times ... everyone purge my slam .. not cool ^^
Thu 8 Nov 2018 1:43 PM by Dominus
Scout slam was an i-win button if the other player didn't have purge up. Many scouts have VERY little spec'd into thrust/slash so without the long stun, they'll need to adjust their play style to kiting. Much the same way I've had to do with casters and PD. I have Purge 5 now and enjoy being able to actually fight again and not die while stunned. I give up a lot of other RA options by going Purge 5, but hey, it's all about what makes you happy.
Thu 8 Nov 2018 3:00 PM by Thinal
SBs were extremely popular before the RA change. They didn't start that way, but trended upward over time.

Everyone who enjoys SBs plays SBs.
People who enjoy Hunters but saw them nerfed to death transitioned to the same-realm SB.
People who played Nightshades got tired of running to emain and transitioned to SBs, who have similar spec options.
People who played Rangers got tired of running to emain and transitioned to Hunters, got tired of the Hunter nerf-fest and transitioned to SBs.
People who got tired of getting raped 29 out of 30 minutes by Minstrels and Scouts and wanted to fucking KILL them, not join them, took one of the above paths.

So it's entirely unsurprising that SBs were such a popular class before the RA change. I don't know if the RA change will continue or dispel the trend, but there you go. I play an SB and I certainly had no intention of doing so when I started on Phoenix, and am not sure if I will once the game is released, but it's an attractive option for the moment.

As for the low number of infiltrators, perhaps the RA change will reverse this trend, but if you could already play Albion without slitting your wrists, why not play a class that can slam or instant-cast stun and actually have a chance to win? Stealthers in general have taken a lot of shit and a lot of nerfs, and outside of the stupid stuns, stealthers are amazingly weak; people are actually crying (and being taken seriously) that they couldn't survive a perf chain, when that's the whole goddamn point of being an assassin.

The only advantage infiltrators have is the long reactionary stun, nice compared to other assassins but absolute horse shit compared to slam or instant-cast stuns. They would have to actually have somebody try to hit them first before they could do the same damn thing their realm comrades could do directly from stealth.
Thu 8 Nov 2018 4:21 PM by poisonclover
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Wed 7 Nov 2018 9:12 PM
Is there something broken about SBs currently? (serious question, i don't know myself)
I just see that they are by far the most played class, when just a few days ago everyone was whining about the scoutzerg and OP-Dragonfang
Fewer scouts i can understand, since 5min purge makes them even more fodder in melee than before and they can basically only leach now.
Was Dragonfang nerfed and all Infs went midgard?

Just checked and 23 SB to 3 infiltrators (when total POP is 230players)

Anyone know what is attracting so many to play SB? I know about 2H PA...but that never was THAT OP was it (also serious question, i haven't played assassins)

infs can only leech now? someone doesn't know how to play a inf from all those df spamming sessions. Nothing is wrong with infs at all lol
Thu 8 Nov 2018 4:24 PM by poisonclover
what people need to just realize is, envenom is no longer a thing with 5 minute purge, that means your envenom gets purged too, drop it and spec accordingly. Its really just common sense at this point lol..

you're welcome.
Thu 8 Nov 2018 6:03 PM by Thinal
poisonclover wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Nov 2018 4:24 PM
what people need to just realize is, envenom is no longer a thing with 5 minute purge, that means your envenom gets purged too, drop it and spec accordingly. Its really just common sense at this point lol..

you're welcome.

/switch
Thu 8 Nov 2018 6:17 PM by Sepplord
poisonclover wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Nov 2018 4:21 PM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Wed 7 Nov 2018 9:12 PM
Is there something broken about SBs currently? (serious question, i don't know myself)
I just see that they are by far the most played class, when just a few days ago everyone was whining about the scoutzerg and OP-Dragonfang
Fewer scouts i can understand, since 5min purge makes them even more fodder in melee than before and they can basically only leach now.
Was Dragonfang nerfed and all Infs went midgard?

Just checked and 23 SB to 3 infiltrators (when total POP is 230players)

Anyone know what is attracting so many to play SB? I know about 2H PA...but that never was THAT OP was it (also serious question, i haven't played assassins)

infs can only leech now? someone doesn't know how to play a inf from all those df spamming sessions. Nothing is wrong with infs at all lol

uhhh...could you at least read my comment before making wrong assumptions and ignorant accusations?

I never said anything aboout Inf's being weak, and i literally mentioned MULITPLE times, at start AND end of my post, that i don't know about assassins because, and now read carefully, i haven't played an assassin.
Thu 8 Nov 2018 6:18 PM by Sepplord
poisonclover wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Nov 2018 4:24 PM
what people need to just realize is, envenom is no longer a thing with 5 minute purge, that means your envenom gets purged too, drop it and spec accordingly. Its really just common sense at this point lol..

you're welcome.

Serious question: do you get back your HP when purging Str/Con debuff?

Even if that happens though, poisons can be reapplied with every attack can't they?
Fri 9 Nov 2018 3:07 AM by ActionBastard
Sbs are popular right now because they are broken. You should not be able to PA for 1000 against chain wearers.
Fri 9 Nov 2018 5:39 AM by defiasbandit
Shadowblades have been broken for months. Who cares though right.
Fri 9 Nov 2018 2:39 PM by poisonclover
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Nov 2018 6:18 PM
poisonclover wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Nov 2018 4:24 PM
what people need to just realize is, envenom is no longer a thing with 5 minute purge, that means your envenom gets purged too, drop it and spec accordingly. Its really just common sense at this point lol..

you're welcome.

Serious question: do you get back your HP when purging Str/Con debuff?

Even if that happens though, poisons can be reapplied with every attack can't they?
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I do believe you get the HP back when you purge the Weaponskill/Con debuff it no longer debuffs strength.
and as far as re-applying poison, you have to carry multiple weapons already loaded up with envenom and weapon swap out of your inventory to re-apply poisons.
Fri 9 Nov 2018 2:40 PM by poisonclover
ActionBastard wrote: ↑
Fri 9 Nov 2018 3:07 AM
Sbs are popular right now because they are broken. You should not be able to PA for 1000 against chain wearers.

So 700 damage 2h Perforate artery with 300 crit is broken?
Fri 9 Nov 2018 2:49 PM by Sepplord
poisonclover wrote: ↑
Fri 9 Nov 2018 2:39 PM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Nov 2018 6:18 PM
poisonclover wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Nov 2018 4:24 PM
what people need to just realize is, envenom is no longer a thing with 5 minute purge, that means your envenom gets purged too, drop it and spec accordingly. Its really just common sense at this point lol..

you're welcome.

Serious question: do you get back your HP when purging Str/Con debuff?

Even if that happens though, poisons can be reapplied with every attack can't they?

I do believe you get the HP back when you purge the Weaponskill/Con debuff it no longer debuffs strength.
and as far as re-applying poison, you have to carry multiple weapons already loaded up with envenom and weapon swap out of your inventory to re-apply poisons.

Weaponswapping to reapply poison has been normal procedure even back in classic....andi thought it is far easier here with /switch commands.
The claim that envenoming isn't a thing anymore because of purge is biased whining.

Good to hear that the HP is given back, i didn't find that in the patchnotes and that might get fixed, as it definitely wasn't like that in live
Fri 9 Nov 2018 3:09 PM by poisonclover
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Fri 9 Nov 2018 2:49 PM
poisonclover wrote: ↑
Fri 9 Nov 2018 2:39 PM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Nov 2018 6:18 PM
Serious question: do you get back your HP when purging Str/Con debuff?

Even if that happens though, poisons can be reapplied with every attack can't they?

I do believe you get the HP back when you purge the Weaponskill/Con debuff it no longer debuffs strength.
and as far as re-applying poison, you have to carry multiple weapons already loaded up with envenom and weapon swap out of your inventory to re-apply poisons.

Weaponswapping to reapply poison has been normal procedure even back in classic....andi thought it is far easier here with /switch commands.
The claim that envenoming isn't a thing anymore because of purge is biased whining.

Good to hear that the HP is given back, i didn't find that in the patchnotes and that might get fixed, as it definitely wasn't like that in live

not biased whining, its a fact that envenom now is removed when the character purges, therefore making the assasin change his plan of attack by cycling weapons to re-apply or trying to finish without them. im not whining I don't even run 50 envenom lol..this doesn't affect my gameplay at all never has.

im just saying even more so now that 5 minute purge is in game makes it soooooo much more less appealing to anyone who knows what their doing.
Fri 9 Nov 2018 6:25 PM by defiasbandit
poisonclover wrote: ↑
Fri 9 Nov 2018 3:09 PM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Fri 9 Nov 2018 2:49 PM
poisonclover wrote: ↑
Fri 9 Nov 2018 2:39 PM
I do believe you get the HP back when you purge the Weaponskill/Con debuff it no longer debuffs strength.
and as far as re-applying poison, you have to carry multiple weapons already loaded up with envenom and weapon swap out of your inventory to re-apply poisons.

Weaponswapping to reapply poison has been normal procedure even back in classic....andi thought it is far easier here with /switch commands.
The claim that envenoming isn't a thing anymore because of purge is biased whining.

Good to hear that the HP is given back, i didn't find that in the patchnotes and that might get fixed, as it definitely wasn't like that in live

not biased whining, its a fact that envenom now is removed when the character purges, therefore making the assasin change his plan of attack by cycling weapons to re-apply or trying to finish without them. im not whining I don't even run 50 envenom lol..this doesn't affect my gameplay at all never has.

im just saying even more so now that 5 minute purge is in game makes it soooooo much more less appealing to anyone who knows what their doing.

I thought you liked 5 minute purge poison.
Fri 9 Nov 2018 7:00 PM by Cadebrennus
Poisons have always been purge-able as far as I can remember
Fri 9 Nov 2018 9:34 PM by poisonclover
defiasbandit wrote: ↑
Fri 9 Nov 2018 6:25 PM
poisonclover wrote: ↑
Fri 9 Nov 2018 3:09 PM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Fri 9 Nov 2018 2:49 PM
Weaponswapping to reapply poison has been normal procedure even back in classic....andi thought it is far easier here with /switch commands.
The claim that envenoming isn't a thing anymore because of purge is biased whining.

Good to hear that the HP is given back, i didn't find that in the patchnotes and that might get fixed, as it definitely wasn't like that in live

not biased whining, its a fact that envenom now is removed when the character purges, therefore making the assasin change his plan of attack by cycling weapons to re-apply or trying to finish without them. im not whining I don't even run 50 envenom lol..this doesn't affect my gameplay at all never has.

im just saying even more so now that 5 minute purge is in game makes it soooooo much more less appealing to anyone who knows what their doing.

I thought you liked 5 minute purge poison.

No complaints here about it, just saying envenom is a waste of points now is all.
Fri 9 Nov 2018 9:35 PM by poisonclover
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Fri 9 Nov 2018 7:00 PM
Poisons have always been purge-able as far as I can remember

correct, but now everyone runs around with 5-10 min purge
Fri 9 Nov 2018 10:50 PM by Cadebrennus
poisonclover wrote: ↑
Fri 9 Nov 2018 9:35 PM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Fri 9 Nov 2018 7:00 PM
Poisons have always been purge-able as far as I can remember

correct, but now everyone runs around with 5-10 min purge

So it's hard to re-apply poisons all of a sudden? Using purge just for poisons is almost a waste of purge vs a good Assassin. If the Assassins aren't good enough to re-apply poisons then I guess that's good news for anyone fighting an Assassin lol
Sat 10 Nov 2018 11:19 PM by defiasbandit
PAs for 1000. 5 minute purge. Vanish. 7 second stuns. Virtually undetectable stealth.

What's not to like? Is this how we want this server to be? Shadowblades were already incredibly powerful before new new RA, now they have 5 minute purge and vanish in their back pocket? What is going with Phoenix?
Sun 11 Nov 2018 12:01 AM by relvinian
I fought 2 of them on my scout earlier.

Ok, they just killed me.
Sun 11 Nov 2018 2:44 AM by Sepplord
defiasbandit wrote: ↑
Sat 10 Nov 2018 11:19 PM
PAs for 1000. 5 minute purge. Vanish. 7 second stuns. Virtually undetectable stealth.

What's not to like? Is this how we want this server to be? Shadowblades were already incredibly powerful before new new RA, now they have 5 minute purge and vanish in their back pocket? What is going with Phoenix?

yeah but Infs or NS are similar to that aren't they?

and at least yesterday there were more nightshades in cathal, than SBs


still no infs though, what makes them so bad?
Sun 11 Nov 2018 3:44 AM by ghettoblaster
defiasbandit wrote: ↑
Sat 10 Nov 2018 11:19 PM
PAs for 1000. 5 minute purge. Vanish. 7 second stuns. Virtually undetectable stealth.

What's not to like? Is this how we want this server to be? Shadowblades were already incredibly powerful before new new RA, now they have 5 minute purge and vanish in their back pocket? What is going with Phoenix?

More arguments against stealth? How do you struggle so hard with them? Who are you ingame so I can repeatedly kill you on a stealther
Sun 11 Nov 2018 6:24 AM by Kwall0311
Theres plenty of good Nightshades out right now. I dont see what makes them less than SB. If you say its the 2H perf you obviously havent tested it enough.
Sun 11 Nov 2018 10:41 AM by Cadebrennus
ghettoblaster wrote: ↑
Sun 11 Nov 2018 3:44 AM
defiasbandit wrote: ↑
Sat 10 Nov 2018 11:19 PM
PAs for 1000. 5 minute purge. Vanish. 7 second stuns. Virtually undetectable stealth.

What's not to like? Is this how we want this server to be? Shadowblades were already incredibly powerful before new new RA, now they have 5 minute purge and vanish in their back pocket? What is going with Phoenix?

More arguments against stealth? How do you struggle so hard with them? Who are you ingame so I can repeatedly kill you on a stealther

Sun 11 Nov 2018 1:49 PM by Sepplord
Kwall0311 wrote: ↑
Sun 11 Nov 2018 6:24 AM
Theres plenty of good Nightshades out right now. I dont see what makes them less than SB. If you say its the 2H perf you obviously havent tested it enough.

when the thread was made there was no cathal valley and there were almost only SBs (23SB vs 3infs...from my OP)

now that cathal is out i even ackknowledged that it is now lots of NS and SBs, but still very few Infs...
Sun 11 Nov 2018 2:35 PM by Kwall0311
Someone make a crit spec inf/slash briton with toughness 9/purge 3 since evade was nerfed. Bet they will be just as good.

Or just run with minstrels like they usually do. There is no particular reason why theres so many sb. Thats just what people decided to come play
Sun 11 Nov 2018 5:22 PM by defiasbandit
Kwall0311 wrote: ↑
Sun 11 Nov 2018 2:35 PM
Someone make a crit spec inf/slash briton with toughness 9/purge 3 since evade was nerfed. Bet they will be just as good.

Or just run with minstrels like they usually do. There is no particular reason why theres so many sb. Thats just what people decided to come play

The particular reason is because they are overpowered. Can you comprehend this.
Sun 11 Nov 2018 5:49 PM by Dariussdars
defiasbandit wrote: ↑
Sun 11 Nov 2018 5:22 PM
Kwall0311 wrote: ↑
Sun 11 Nov 2018 2:35 PM
Someone make a crit spec inf/slash briton with toughness 9/purge 3 since evade was nerfed. Bet they will be just as good.

Or just run with minstrels like they usually do. There is no particular reason why theres so many sb. Thats just what people decided to come play

The particular reason is because they are overpowered. Can you comprehend this.

Mids are playing SBs because hunters suck, and Alb keeps running stealth zergs with minstrels and their instant 9 second stun. Pretty hard to figure out.
Sun 11 Nov 2018 8:37 PM by Thinal
Why would I play an infiltrator? I'm always relieved when that alb stealther turns out to be an infiltrator. (Cue Smackie the Frog jokes...)
Sun 11 Nov 2018 10:03 PM by Cadebrennus
Dariussdars wrote: ↑
Sun 11 Nov 2018 5:49 PM
defiasbandit wrote: ↑
Sun 11 Nov 2018 5:22 PM
Kwall0311 wrote: ↑
Sun 11 Nov 2018 2:35 PM
Someone make a crit spec inf/slash briton with toughness 9/purge 3 since evade was nerfed. Bet they will be just as good.

Or just run with minstrels like they usually do. There is no particular reason why theres so many sb. Thats just what people decided to come play

The particular reason is because they are overpowered. Can you comprehend this.

Mids are playing SBs because hunters suck, and Alb keeps running stealth zergs with minstrels and their instant 9 second stun. Pretty hard to figure out.

Hunters suck because the players that are playing Hunters suck.
Sun 11 Nov 2018 11:15 PM by Sepplord
Kwall0311 wrote: ↑
Sun 11 Nov 2018 2:35 PM
Someone make a crit spec inf/slash briton with toughness 9/purge 3 since evade was nerfed. Bet they will be just as good.

Or just run with minstrels like they usually do. There is no particular reason why theres so many sb. Thats just what people decided to come play

yeah, of 26people that were online with an assassin, 23just happened to decide to play SB for no particular reason

best argument i have read on this forum ^^


The discussion is mute anyways now, in cathal it seems to have balanced out more.

Seems it wasn't really SBs being too strong, but only Infs being too weak and scouts being completely nullified with 5min purge
Mon 12 Nov 2018 4:52 PM by Kwall0311
Lol thats exactly what im saying. You need to have a better opinion not based on when you look at the server info once in a day. Everything youre saying leads me to believe you dont actually play this game very much?

Theres currently more alb stealth on than mid. Hmm.

The fact that you said infs are weak is absolutely absurd.
Mon 12 Nov 2018 5:08 PM by j.camp633
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Sun 11 Nov 2018 11:15 PM
Kwall0311 wrote: ↑
Sun 11 Nov 2018 2:35 PM
Someone make a crit spec inf/slash briton with toughness 9/purge 3 since evade was nerfed. Bet they will be just as good.

Or just run with minstrels like they usually do. There is no particular reason why theres so many sb. Thats just what people decided to come play

yeah, of 26people that were online with an assassin, 23just happened to decide to play SB for no particular reason

best argument i have read on this forum ^^


The discussion is mute anyways now, in cathal it seems to have balanced out more.

Seems it wasn't really SBs being too strong, but only Infs being too weak and scouts being completely nullified with 5min purge

SBs are not too strong, infs are definitely not weak. I think all the assassins are pretty balanced right now, nightshades have been tougher fights than shadow blades for me so far.
Mon 12 Nov 2018 5:12 PM by Sepplord
you are right, i don't play the game ten hours a day...nice attack on me isntead of the arguments


if my population numbers are misleading because of my time of checking them, feel free to counterpost more information. That's what a forum is about.

So far you are the first to mention it though, no one else in all the replies disagreed with there suddenly being very few scouts/infs and almost exclusively SBs (since cathal SB and NS)




I also haven't heard anyone copplain about infs here anymore, while two weeks ago multiple people were screaming bloodymurder about OP dragonfang and easymode Infs.


So, yes, without playing like a job in a beta test phase, i make a thread and ask about what happened. Many have made good explanations and theories why that was the case (2H PA ( though i personally don't think that has a huge impact) and 5min Purge were mentioned the most)

"trololo coincidence" wasn't a believable answer to me, if the population is swinging in the other direction now, maybe you are right...why not include such information in the first place? Isn't that what these discussion are about?
Mon 12 Nov 2018 5:13 PM by j.camp633
Kwall0311 wrote: ↑
Sun 11 Nov 2018 2:35 PM
Someone make a crit spec inf/slash briton with toughness 9/purge 3 since evade was nerfed. Bet they will be just as good.

Or just run with minstrels like they usually do. There is no particular reason why theres so many sb. Thats just what people decided to come play

Yeah, my crit/slash inf handles SBs just fine. NSs are noticeably tougher for me, could just be the slash damage and the fact I have no stuns.
Mon 12 Nov 2018 5:33 PM by defiasbandit
Shadowblades are overtuned and the server population throughout beta reflects this. Nightshades are an issue too. At least infiltrators are a bit worse now.
Tue 13 Nov 2018 7:39 PM by Thinal
defiasbandit wrote: ↑
Mon 12 Nov 2018 5:33 PM
Shadowblades are overtuned and the server population throughout beta reflects this. Nightshades are an issue too. At least infiltrators are a bit worse now.

Aw, did one kill you? That should never happen. Go get the nerf bat.
Tue 13 Nov 2018 9:27 PM by poisonclover
safe to say there is 2 good infs, 1 good nightshade and several good SBs..

and they know who they are.. and they also know that their class isn't broken, people just don't know to play them.

if you're an inf relying on DF you're trash.
if you're an sb relying on Doublefrost you're trash.
if your a ns relying on strafing run throughs to Side Stun you're trash.

/facts
Wed 14 Nov 2018 2:25 PM by Thinal
Well, I think it's safe to say that I'm not in any of the "good" groups Clover mentions. :p

The sidestun thing is especially annoying, as I hate to in any way balance a class around a broken mechanic instead of fixing the mechanic. Even if I'm inclined to abuse the system, I'm afraid I'm too old to be any good at it.

That is a benefit of Midgard, strangely enough, because any useful effects from side styles are late enough down their chains to be not worth it, so I'm not expected to do it by either realm mates or game balance. Hunter spear has a back stun, but I just won't play spear hunters, and problem solved!

I've always been a Hibbie at heart, and had played Midgard during i50 largely due to Emain, but I'm getting to appreciate Midgard more and more as I play. The home realm is strange and weird to me, but I can learn it, and unlike playing Albion, I can play Midgard openly without fear of having to come out to my family this Thanksgiving.
Thu 15 Nov 2018 8:16 AM by Druth
Earlier this morning there were 15 albs in frontier, with 10 being stealthers.
Hib had 13, but a fg running, which more have contributed to this, but had no stealthers out.
Mid had 2 sb's (but really bad ones, lol) a fg and some smallman/solo.
I was on VW, but magically managed to avoid the alb stealth group.

2 evenings ago I was on Alb, and was shocked to see that albs had most people out, because I could simply not see many albs.
Turned out near 40-50% were on stealthers, depending on minstrels.

My point being, while I might see more sb's out, there is only one realm of stealth.
Thu 15 Nov 2018 1:54 PM by Cadebrennus
I logged on briefly last night to /serverinfo and saw the following:

10 SBs
6 Infils
I forgot how many Scouts and Hunters (it was 2 each I think)
1 NS
1 Ranger (not counting me)

I didn't count Minstrels because of their position within regular Alb groups.
Thu 15 Nov 2018 2:57 PM by Thinal
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Thu 15 Nov 2018 1:54 PM
I didn't count Minstrels because of their position within regular Alb groups.

Hard to say. Seems plenty are inside MMG, either solo or grouped with 2-5 infs and scouts.
Thu 15 Nov 2018 7:02 PM by Turtle006
Thinal wrote: ↑
Wed 14 Nov 2018 2:25 PM
The home realm is strange and weird to me, but I can learn it, and unlike playing Albion, I can play Midgard openly without fear of having to come out to my family this Thanksgiving.

Why is Albion treated like it is a disease? I can understand not liking a realm, but this isn't the first time I have seen this type of sentiment. I am not calling you out specifically, just the most recent time I have seen this.
Thu 15 Nov 2018 8:10 PM by defiasbandit
Turtle006 wrote: ↑
Thu 15 Nov 2018 7:02 PM
Thinal wrote: ↑
Wed 14 Nov 2018 2:25 PM
The home realm is strange and weird to me, but I can learn it, and unlike playing Albion, I can play Midgard openly without fear of having to come out to my family this Thanksgiving.

Why is Albion treated like it is a disease? I can understand not liking a realm, but this isn't the first time I have seen this type of sentiment. I am not calling you out specifically, just the most recent time I have seen this.

The other realms fear Albion. Always have in Classic.
Thu 15 Nov 2018 9:40 PM by Thinal
Turtle006 wrote: ↑
Thu 15 Nov 2018 7:02 PM
Thinal wrote: ↑
Wed 14 Nov 2018 2:25 PM
The home realm is strange and weird to me, but I can learn it, and unlike playing Albion, I can play Midgard openly without fear of having to come out to my family this Thanksgiving.

Why is Albion treated like it is a disease? I can understand not liking a realm, but this isn't the first time I have seen this type of sentiment. I am not calling you out specifically, just the most recent time I have seen this.

Those other comments you saw were probably mine, too.
Thu 15 Nov 2018 11:31 PM by Dariussdars
defiasbandit wrote: ↑
Thu 15 Nov 2018 8:10 PM
Turtle006 wrote: ↑
Thu 15 Nov 2018 7:02 PM
Thinal wrote: ↑
Wed 14 Nov 2018 2:25 PM
The home realm is strange and weird to me, but I can learn it, and unlike playing Albion, I can play Midgard openly without fear of having to come out to my family this Thanksgiving.

Why is Albion treated like it is a disease? I can understand not liking a realm, but this isn't the first time I have seen this type of sentiment. I am not calling you out specifically, just the most recent time I have seen this.

The other realms fear Albion. Always have in Classic.

Albs have always been known as inferior players, who have to zerg to have any success, Been that way since the game first went live. Same thing happens here, Albs zerg on their visis, or stealthers.
Fri 16 Nov 2018 12:11 AM by defiasbandit
Dariussdars wrote: ↑
Thu 15 Nov 2018 11:31 PM
defiasbandit wrote: ↑
Thu 15 Nov 2018 8:10 PM
Turtle006 wrote: ↑
Thu 15 Nov 2018 7:02 PM
Why is Albion treated like it is a disease? I can understand not liking a realm, but this isn't the first time I have seen this type of sentiment. I am not calling you out specifically, just the most recent time I have seen this.

The other realms fear Albion. Always have in Classic.

Albs have always been known as inferior players, who have to zerg to have any success, Been that way since the game first went live. Same thing happens here, Albs zerg on their visis, or stealthers.

Fri 16 Nov 2018 2:24 AM by Dariussdars
Albs were just running a 4 man scout crew, and only hitting solos or duos. That is exactly why there are so many SBs out, to combat this constant Alb stealth zerg.
Fri 16 Nov 2018 6:31 AM by Druth
Dariussdars wrote: ↑
Fri 16 Nov 2018 2:24 AM
Albs were just running a 4 man scout crew, and only hitting solos or duos. That is exactly why there are so many SBs out, to combat this constant Alb stealth zerg.

I need to understand...
So the solution to alb scout groups killing solo/duo, is to form sb groups and kill solo/duos...?

I know it must be me who don't have the capacity to understand this concept, so please help me understand.
Fri 16 Nov 2018 6:40 AM by Kaziera
Acually the solution is a mid vis grp with a sb+stealther detect potion.
Fri 16 Nov 2018 8:12 AM by Cadebrennus
Dariussdars wrote: ↑
Fri 16 Nov 2018 2:24 AM
Albs were just running a 4 man scout crew, and only hitting solos or duos. That is exactly why there are so many SBs out, to combat this constant Alb stealth zerg.

Then it's a good thing those SBs didn't hit our Hib 4man when we were fighting the Mid 8man. If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you.
Fri 16 Nov 2018 11:42 AM by Dariussdars
Druth wrote: ↑
Fri 16 Nov 2018 6:31 AM
Dariussdars wrote: ↑
Fri 16 Nov 2018 2:24 AM
Albs were just running a 4 man scout crew, and only hitting solos or duos. That is exactly why there are so many SBs out, to combat this constant Alb stealth zerg.

I need to understand...
So the solution to alb scout groups killing solo/duo, is to form sb groups and kill solo/duos...?

I know it must be me who don't have the capacity to understand this concept, so please help me understand.
I have yet to see a solo or duo Alb in Emain.
Fri 16 Nov 2018 11:45 AM by Dariussdars
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Fri 16 Nov 2018 8:12 AM
Dariussdars wrote: ↑
Fri 16 Nov 2018 2:24 AM
Albs were just running a 4 man scout crew, and only hitting solos or duos. That is exactly why there are so many SBs out, to combat this constant Alb stealth zerg.

Then it's a good thing those SBs didn't hit our Hib 4man when we were fighting the Mid 8man. If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you.

They probably hit your 4 man because your 4 man probably rolls over every single solo/duo/trio it comes across. I've run solo on almost every visi Mid class, and have been run over by everything from duos to zergs. No one gives anyone a pass, not yet anyways.
Fri 16 Nov 2018 4:29 PM by Cadebrennus
Dariussdars wrote: ↑
Fri 16 Nov 2018 11:45 AM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Fri 16 Nov 2018 8:12 AM
Dariussdars wrote: ↑
Fri 16 Nov 2018 2:24 AM
Albs were just running a 4 man scout crew, and only hitting solos or duos. That is exactly why there are so many SBs out, to combat this constant Alb stealth zerg.

Then it's a good thing those SBs didn't hit our Hib 4man when we were fighting the Mid 8man. If you believe that I have a bridge to sell you.

They probably hit your 4 man because your 4 man probably rolls over every single solo/duo/trio it comes across. I've run solo on almost every visi Mid class, and have been run over by everything from duos to zergs. No one gives anyone a pass, not yet anyways.

Not really. We didn't chase solos and when we suspected there was only a single stealther at the MG we didn't bother looking for them.
Fri 16 Nov 2018 6:14 PM by Turtle006
I have been goofing around in Mid with i50, but I played primarily Alb before that. The biggest zergs, by far, were Hibs before i50. Every single realm kills solos/duos/small man when they outnumber them, a lot of the time even blowing things like instant stun and slam. Every realm adds. Every realm runs stealth zergs sometimes.

Every realm believes they are the only realm that doesn't do any of these things.

My wife and I play Hunters or Scout/Inf for stealth and a few different visis, almost always Duo, occasionally Trio with my other wife. There are steath zergs in every realm, right now it is mostly Alb, but it has been Mid and Hib also, I think it will be different realms at different times when live hits.
Fri 16 Nov 2018 6:47 PM by Thinal
Turtle006 wrote: ↑
Fri 16 Nov 2018 6:14 PM
My wife and I play Hunters or Scout/Inf for stealth and a few different visis, almost always Duo, occasionally Trio with my other wife.



I think you buried the lead here. :p
Fri 16 Nov 2018 8:26 PM by Waygone
Dariussdars wrote: ↑
Fri 16 Nov 2018 11:42 AM
Druth wrote: ↑
Fri 16 Nov 2018 6:31 AM
Dariussdars wrote: ↑
Fri 16 Nov 2018 2:24 AM
Albs were just running a 4 man scout crew, and only hitting solos or duos. That is exactly why there are so many SBs out, to combat this constant Alb stealth zerg.

I need to understand...
So the solution to alb scout groups killing solo/duo, is to form sb groups and kill solo/duos...?

I know it must be me who don't have the capacity to understand this concept, so please help me understand.
I have yet to see a solo or duo Alb in Emain.
Wrong here!
My necro (Dreadpool), solos 95% of the time. Constantly get killed by stealth zergs, duos, and smallmans.
Fri 16 Nov 2018 11:42 PM by Dariussdars
Aren't you the necro who hides/exploits his pet in the wall at MMG?
Sat 17 Nov 2018 2:33 AM by Cadebrennus
He "solos" next to smallman and 8mans too. In all seriousness sorry about running you over with the Hib 4man when you were actually solo. We expected more Albs right behind you as a matter of pattern.
Sat 17 Nov 2018 2:54 AM by Sepplord
in similar vein of the OP: what made scouts so popular today?

They almost disappeared with 5min purge, but today there were scouts EVERYWHERE.

Faster fights = 5min purge up less often?

is that the only difference?


(PS: no QQ and not implying scouts OP...i learned from the comments in this thread. Just boggles my mind why it was so popular today in the FFA Event)
Sat 17 Nov 2018 6:50 AM by Waygone
Dariussdars wrote: ↑
Fri 16 Nov 2018 11:42 PM
Aren't you the necro who hides/exploits his pet in the wall at MMG?

If I did it at MGM, I assure you it was unintentional. There were times I have casted spells with pet and ran through the gate with shade on passive only to have him disappear at AMG. Then saw a massive zerg pop through gate and expect me to just run out and let myself get zerg blammed!
I have since been warned and now humbly pull pet out of the wall and sit. If that makes you feel better about yourself, that's what you'll expect to see..?
Have a blast killing the solo necro with you full group or zerg.😐
And people wonder why no visis solo on this game..
Sat 17 Nov 2018 7:00 AM by Waygone
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Sat 17 Nov 2018 2:33 AM
He "solos" next to smallman and 8mans too. In all seriousness sorry about running you over with the Hib 4man when you were actually solo. We expected more Albs right behind you as a matter of pattern.

NP Cadebrennus..😊

A few hib full groups and small mans leave me alone about half the time and I appreciate it. If there's an obvious 8v8 fight going on I usually let it be and move on to try find solo action.(I do jump in on ZvZ though) With emain being relatively small and the only zone with action it's difficult to not accidentally start casting on a grouped enemy. Also, its very difficult to find a "clean" fight in emain. I feel dirty when an assassin is going to take me down and friendlies step in and interrupt the fight and I live. Seems to happen more the other way where I'm attacking a soloer and reinforcements steam in and stomp me and heal the enemy.
As is, I'm still having fun and that's what matters..👍
Sat 17 Nov 2018 3:33 PM by Dariussdars
Waygone wrote: ↑
Sat 17 Nov 2018 6:50 AM
Dariussdars wrote: ↑
Fri 16 Nov 2018 11:42 PM
Aren't you the necro who hides/exploits his pet in the wall at MMG?

If I did it at MGM, I assure you it was unintentional. There were times I have casted spells with pet and ran through the gate with shade on passive only to have him disappear at AMG. Then saw a massive zerg pop through gate and expect me to just run out and let myself get zerg blammed!
I have since been warned and now humbly pull pet out of the wall and sit. If that makes you feel better about yourself, that's what you'll expect to see..?
Have a blast killing the solo necro with you full group or zerg.😐
And people wonder why no visis solo on this game..

I solo on my skald or rm, so you won't be run over by me in a zerg.
Sat 17 Nov 2018 5:00 PM by Turtle006
Thinal wrote: ↑
Fri 16 Nov 2018 6:47 PM
Turtle006 wrote: ↑
Fri 16 Nov 2018 6:14 PM
My wife and I play Hunters or Scout/Inf for stealth and a few different visis, almost always Duo, occasionally Trio with my other wife.



I think you buried the lead here. :p
It is spelled lede, and I assumed it was old news since it has been discussed more than once here.
Sat 17 Nov 2018 6:32 PM by Thinal
Turtle006 wrote: ↑
Sat 17 Nov 2018 5:00 PM
It is spelled lede,

Correction noted. I never knew they were separate words.

Turtle006 wrote: ↑
Sat 17 Nov 2018 5:00 PM
and I assumed it was old news since it has been discussed more than once here.

Obviously it was news to me. :p
Sat 17 Nov 2018 7:33 PM by Turtle006
Sorry, I think the "lede" thing sounded more dickish than I intended, sometimes I can be a bit pedantic.

Been in a poly triad for 15 years, so yeah, I have 2 wives.
Tue 27 Nov 2018 5:41 PM by phixion
poisonclover wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Nov 2018 4:24 PM
what people need to just realize is, envenom is no longer a thing with 5 minute purge, that means your envenom gets purged too, drop it and spec accordingly. Its really just common sense at this point lol..

you're welcome.

That would be correct if weapon switch wasn't a thing.
Tue 27 Nov 2018 6:05 PM by Kwall0311
As if good assassins wouldn't have their inventory open to drag drop switch, arguably just as fast to reapply poisons after a purge. Yeah maybe they cant use runthroughs as easily, but it wont change much of anything. If you feel defeated enough as an assassin when you get purged, you might want to reconsider your playstyle.
Wed 28 Nov 2018 4:04 PM by poisonclover
Kwall0311 wrote: ↑
Tue 27 Nov 2018 6:05 PM
As if good assassins wouldn't have their inventory open to drag drop switch, arguably just as fast to reapply poisons after a purge. Yeah maybe they cant use runthroughs as easily, but it wont change much of anything. If you feel defeated enough as an assassin when you get purged, you might want to reconsider your playstyle.

switch your weapons all you want, fights don't last long enough that it would matter. That initial purge changes everything.
Wed 28 Nov 2018 4:25 PM by Kwall0311
poisonclover wrote: ↑
Wed 28 Nov 2018 4:04 PM
Kwall0311 wrote: ↑
Tue 27 Nov 2018 6:05 PM
As if good assassins wouldn't have their inventory open to drag drop switch, arguably just as fast to reapply poisons after a purge. Yeah maybe they cant use runthroughs as easily, but it wont change much of anything. If you feel defeated enough as an assassin when you get purged, you might want to reconsider your playstyle.

switch your weapons all you want, fights don't last long enough that it would matter. That initial purge changes everything.

Im completely confused if you think the next hit having two more poisons on you wouldnt change anything..... I agree that the intital purge is effective, but yes it still matters. Ive beaten plenty of people that purged my first hits poisons and won
Wed 28 Nov 2018 4:52 PM by poisonclover
I'm not saying you cant win, or it doesn't matter. I'm saying you have a high % of losing. to the point where you can get way with adding just flat out more DPS over speccing for lifebane.

I've tested it on inf ns and sb. All do extremely well with mediocre envenom and the added dps/weaponskill since purge is so easily acquired currently.
Wed 28 Nov 2018 10:08 PM by Fk_
Asakura wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Nov 2018 12:33 PM
As scout you have now hard times ... everyone purge my slam .. not cool ^^

Time to use Mangle....
Wed 28 Nov 2018 10:12 PM by Dimir
Fk_ wrote: ↑
Wed 28 Nov 2018 10:08 PM
Asakura wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Nov 2018 12:33 PM
As scout you have now hard times ... everyone purge my slam .. not cool ^^

Time to use Mangle....

I haven't tested yet, does Phoenix use the 60 second immunity or the CC Duration multiplied by ... was it 6 seconds?
Wed 28 Nov 2018 10:49 PM by Turtle006
Dimir wrote: ↑
Wed 28 Nov 2018 10:12 PM
Fk_ wrote: ↑
Wed 28 Nov 2018 10:08 PM
Asakura wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Nov 2018 12:33 PM
As scout you have now hard times ... everyone purge my slam .. not cool ^^

Time to use Mangle....

I haven't tested yet, does Phoenix use the 60 second immunity or the CC Duration multiplied by ... was it 6 seconds?

It is 1 minute for casted cc and duration times 6 for melee.
Wed 5 Dec 2018 5:30 AM by Joc
People need to stop speccing infs 50 thrust. 9s df is a bad crutch that infs rely on to win fights when they shouldn't. 44 or 50 dw is the better spec with comp 50 weapon and decent CS.
Wed 5 Dec 2018 7:06 AM by Isavyr
Joc wrote: ↑
Wed 5 Dec 2018 5:30 AM
People need to stop speccing infs 50 thrust. 9s df is a bad crutch that infs rely on to win fights when they shouldn't. 44 or 50 dw is the better spec with comp 50 weapon and decent CS.

Why not both? 50 CS and 50 Thrust provides an amazing any-time (frontal DW) style, and amazing evade style. Even in assassin vs assassin, a shadowblade or nightshade can start the fight with a PA on the infiltrator, and the infiltrator will nearly make up for the lost DPS from not doing the PA by the extra damage from their frontal style, by the end of the fight. If the fight goes on longer than 100% hitpoints, than the infiltrator ends up doing more overall damage. Plus, the frontal style is always useful, whereas critical strikes can be messed up and botch the fight permanently.

I think the numbers justify infiltrators having both 50 DW, and 50 Thrust.
Wed 5 Dec 2018 9:30 AM by Joc
Because you need stealth spec, and honestly the venom line brings a lot to the table. It's worth a shot though. W/o the ws/con debuff it's unlikely that you will be able to beat much other than stealthers in melee combat. You may not be able to beat other sneaks w/o it either.

Give it a shot though. You never know.
Wed 5 Dec 2018 4:26 PM by Isavyr
You can still do 35 envenom and 32-35 stealth as I recall (with the autotrain points). One has to completely give up CS.

It isn't my idea but I did run the numbers and the damage is there, and should be very competitive assassin v assassin--basically auto-win if no critical strikes land from opponent.
Fri 28 Dec 2018 11:34 PM by Citian
The icy borealis back chain includes the DD-proc for SBs, which AFAIK should not be the case: 52 comp weap spec + a low/non-existent envenom spec + 34 CS for creeping death 7s stun + (50 LA+skills+RA) 3part back chain would pretty much secure a kill on anything.

Thats my guess, anyways. Besides the obvious easier reapplication of poison with LA mechanics = increased DPS from constantly swapping and insane DPS runaway when under the influence of damage add charges/spells as compared to DW/CD which only ever approach 70~%.
Sat 29 Dec 2018 3:20 PM by inoeth
Why dont ppl just skill infils to slash and dw?
You can have the very powerful frontstyle with dw and also an 8 sec evade chain stun.
Sure you lose some CS but you can have at least 34 to get pa+cd.

Ppl need to take a closer look on their possible skill setups

Btw 50 dw also provides a higher chance of striking with offhand


Btw im on vacation and have not played for 4 weaks .... Did something change on hunters? I really like to play one.
Sat 29 Dec 2018 3:55 PM by Ceen
For infi just go

50 DW
34 CS
35 Stealth
35 Slash
35 Thrust

+ envenom bot *gg*

You are welcome
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