A big reason players get bored of i50 here.

Sure everyone is talking about how instant level 50 hurts RvR.

However, the instant RR6 shows a lot of the issues with RvR.

Once you reach Realm Rank 6 your progress in RvR slows down a ton. RR 1 to 5 is where players are able to unlock core realm abilities at a fast pace.

Beyond realm rank 6 it is just a grind that seems to bore many players. If you aren't gaining realm points, then what incentive is there?

You see this with the i50 here on Phoenix. Players see their RP bars barely moving, and they say well forget it and log off.

RvR for the sake of RvR? We all know most players don't follow that.

Think about the long term effects of all this. After a few months and most players reach RR5, why will they stick around?

Mon 5 Nov 2018 10:30 PM by phixion

I’ve said time and time again, old RAs are trash. They are boring as hell and you get crappy rewards for the time you spend grinding. Always said the server should use new RAs.

Mon 5 Nov 2018 11:16 PM by Sepplord

The main reason people are bored is because their progress will be wiped soon, and they know exactly when.

That's normal and not an indicator of anything being wrong

Tue 6 Nov 2018 12:12 AM by defiasbandit

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 5 Nov 2018 11:16 PM
The main reason people are bored is because their progress will be wiped soon, and they know exactly when.

That's normal and not an indicator of anything being wrong

How will RvR be much different at launch? Players will reach RR6 and find themselves in Emain. That is just like i50. If endgame RvR was so fun I'd think more players would be playing during i50.

Tue 6 Nov 2018 12:34 AM by Takii

There is more to real DAoC RvR than Emain. There is not much more to DAoC i50 RvR than Emain.

On a real classic server there were keep raids (even in other zones!

) and relic raids regularly. People are invested in their characters if there is actual progression to get there.

I don't understand why people think i50 is even remotely representative of DAoC's higher-level (not in terms of player level but in terms of scope) game.

Tue 6 Nov 2018 1:05 AM by defiasbandit

Takii wrote: ↑
Tue 6 Nov 2018 12:34 AM
There is more to real DAoC RvR than Emain. There is not much more to DAoC i50 RvR than Emain.

On a real classic server there were keep raids (even in other zones! ) and relic raids regularly. People are invested in their characters if there is actual progression to get there.

I don't understand why people think i50 is even remotely representative of DAoC's higher-level (not in terms of player level but in terms of scope) game.

On a real classic server there was tons of PvE. That is what the vast majority of the playerbase was doing. The rest were afk in Capital Cities or in Emain.

i50 demonstrates serious issues with endgame RvR in DAOC. I don't know why so many deny it.

Tue 6 Nov 2018 2:05 AM by Takii

There was not a ton of PvE in the SI Era, not sure where you're pulling that from. There was tons of RvR action even on smaller servers where I played most like Bors.

Tue 6 Nov 2018 7:11 AM by Koljar

I can remember lots of action across the whole frontier in OF on Dartmoor aswell. Even before ToA.

Tue 6 Nov 2018 8:45 AM by Sei

defiasbandit wrote: ↑
Tue 6 Nov 2018 12:12 AM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 5 Nov 2018 11:16 PM
The main reason people are bored is because their progress will be wiped soon, and they know exactly when.

That's normal and not an indicator of anything being wrong

How will RvR be much different at launch? Players will reach RR6 and find themselves in Emain. That is just like i50. If endgame RvR was so fun I'd think more players would be playing during i50.

There are alot of players playing during i50 wtf those posts are about

Yet they play and dont Come and QQ on forum every two posts

Tue 6 Nov 2018 10:38 AM by Kaziera

Dont bother. Thats what he does.

Tue 6 Nov 2018 1:09 PM by Laadna

defiasbandit wrote: ↑
Tue 6 Nov 2018 12:12 AM
How will RvR be much different at launch? Players will reach RR6 and find themselves in Emain. That is just like i50. If endgame RvR was so fun I'd think more players would be playing during i50.

Because my char won't be wiped in 3 months. Because the server won't be populated with 90 people on rush hours. Because I will meet people who, like me, will put some time and energy into stuffing and leveling their chars, therefore enjoy logging it without being obsessed with realm points.

You know, like a regular rpg video game.

Wed 7 Nov 2018 9:05 PM by Niix

phixion wrote: ↑
Mon 5 Nov 2018 10:30 PM
I’ve said time and time again, old RAs are trash. They are boring as hell and you get crappy rewards for the time you spend grinding. Always said the server should use new RAs.

That's ridiculous... now you have to wait until RR4L5 for det9 and tireless 1 before you're viable lol.... new RA's bring you one or two more active abilities, less punishment for pressing purge so its purge city out there and whole slew of new balance issues.

I will hope they do some major restructuring of cost-value ratio.

Wed 7 Nov 2018 10:50 PM by defiasbandit

What classes benefit the most from the purge change?

Thu 8 Nov 2018 12:10 AM by Sepplord

i don't know who benefits the most, but i know that it royally fucks every class that relied on a CC to have a fighting chance

it sucked a bit on sorc, but it really destroyed the scout imo and i am not completly sure that is a good thing

Fri 16 Nov 2018 9:39 AM by

Uthred

Reason of being "Bored" is that many players dont like their chars deleted as it will happen when we go live. We are aware of this but we are also very glad that there a some players every day that play ... ahhh test the server.