ICHOR OF THE DEEP proposal - Phoenix Freeshard

Right now, Ichor of the deep is just an updated Druid insta ae root (more range). It doesn't provide any fight changing mechanic like Group purge or SoS does. Right now, the counter to GP is.. (there are none) and the counter to SoS is to not break the cc that's on them and wait till it ends...

We all know midguard has the worst of the three "prime" RAs with Ichor. It is still a good RA to use, but it's missing the extra edge to make it really good.

Personally I'm not a fan of nerfing everything into the ground until everything is grey and flavorless. However, I believe a buff to Ichor is needed.

What if Ichor ignored root immunity? Ideally it would ignore root immunity and reset root immunity, but the second part would be a little extreme. However, having Ichor ignore root immunity would be a nice counter to group purge. Hib groups would have to think more than 1.5 seconds before blowing GP, because they could get Ichor'd right after.

I think it isn't a game changing buff to Ichor that would bring its value above the druid insta ae root.

Sat 3 Nov 2018 11:38 PM by Sepplord

i really don't think comparing single abilities can go anywhere good in DAoC.

you would have a point if ichor was almost identical to another SHAMAN ability...
comparing it to a druid ability is comparing apples to oranges

If Runemasters could buy a short-CD 9second stun for 10RA, would that be too weak because it is just like the stun of an eld? No, it wouldn't.

There's a reason no game has so different realms anymore, because it is impossible to balance in micro-view and the players only have micro-view and get upset all the time. It can be balanced for overall realm VS realm warfare and i don't feel like midgard or shaman are very lacking overall

Sat 3 Nov 2018 11:48 PM by Takii

Ichor is supposed to be its own CC type, it should not be affected by normal roots.

https://www2.uthgard.net/tracker/issue/2434/@/RA:_Ichor_of_the_Deep_wrong_immunity_behavior

Bug it if that's not the case.

Also, with its correct implementation Ichor is definitely not as bad as you make it sound. Bolt range 450 radius insta root on a 15 minute timer is probably the best opener that any realm has. If you purge it you've just purged a CC type that gives you no immunity.

Sun 4 Nov 2018 12:42 PM by opossum12

Takii wrote: ↑
Sat 3 Nov 2018 11:48 PM
Ichor is supposed to be its own CC type, it should not be affected by normal roots.

https://www2.uthgard.net/tracker/issue/2434/@/RA:_Ichor_of_the_Deep_wrong_immunity_behavior

Bug it if that's not the case.

Also, with its correct implementation Ichor is definitely not as bad as you make it sound. Bolt range 450 radius insta root on a 15 minute timer is probably the best opener that any realm has. If you purge it you've just purged a CC type that gives you no immunity.

Thanks for that reply, I didn’t know that and the shamans I run with didn’t know that as well. Will definitely test to make sure it’s a 4th cc type (ignores root immunity and doesn’t give root immunity).

Tue 6 Nov 2018 9:36 PM by teiloh

iirc Ichor purges root immunity and does not trigger immunity. It's not it's own CC type. You can Ichor a root immune, and then root them again after Ichor is down.