Prevent portalling to other realms unless you own all the keeps in your home realm (with optional backdoor)

Started 28 Oct 2018
by Thinal
in Suggestions
The title is it, in its simplest form. Unless your realm owns all of the keeps in your home frontier, you would be prevented from porting to another realm. This makes sense from a strategic point of view, spreads the action around the frontiers, and gives specific targets to attack and defend.

This could be done by removing the other realms from all porters and placing special porters to each enemy realm at each frontier gate. If your realm doesn't own all of your home keeps, then this NPC is missing, won't talk to you, or otherwise has a barrier.

This has implications on other related systems that I'm not going to list, but I will mention that for Darkess Falls, it could be changed so that it's open to any realm that can portal to other realms. So it could and often would be open to multiple realms at the same time.

This would solve a LOT of my gripes I've been airing on this board especially if also added to...

As a completely OPTIONAL backdoor...

Rework the BGs slightly to level ranges 21-30, 31-40, and 41-50. Put permanent portals to other realms in the central keep, providing an alternate route versus cleaning up one's own frontier. Moving between realms is quick and easy if your frontier is cleared... move massive armies directly from your frontier gates, no waiting. The backdoor would require traveling across another zone with potential foes the whole route to more slowly invade another realm.

As an additional OPTION, you could consider exactly how those BG portals work...

1. They could work for you only if your realm owns the central keep.
2. OR they could work for you if you can reach the porter (huge advantage to all stealthers, but any small group would have a chance to fight their way over without actually taking the keep).
3. OR they could work if you get inside the outer wall of the keep (huge advantage to climb wall, but works for any group that can take the outer door).

I wouldn't expect a backdoor into DF, though I could be convinced otherwise. I would also expect to have no caravan mechanic for the BGs, but again, I could be convinced.
Sun 28 Oct 2018 9:07 PM by defiasbandit
Are you saying don't allow Midgard to port to Hadrian's or Emain unless they own all the keeps in Mid frontiers?
Sun 28 Oct 2018 9:19 PM by Thinal
defiasbandit wrote:
Sun 28 Oct 2018 9:07 PM
Are you saying don't allow Midgard to port to Hadrian's or Emain unless they own all the keeps in Mid frontiers?

Not just them, but yes.
Sun 28 Oct 2018 9:27 PM by defiasbandit
I agree that Darkness Falls should be open to multiple realms. The issue with cutting off portalling is it interfers with the task system and other playstyles in order to incentivize keep taking. I agree that taking and controlling keeps in your own realm should matter more. Having to rely on your realm to retake keeps in order to teleport to other frontiers has drawbacks.
Mon 29 Oct 2018 3:23 PM by Cramit845
defiasbandit wrote:
Sun 28 Oct 2018 9:27 PM
I agree that Darkness Falls should be open to multiple realms.

Personally, I disagree. DF should still be linked to keeps imo. DF open to everyone just disincentivizes keeps to much. We need more reasons for keeps to mean something, not less.
Mon 29 Oct 2018 7:40 PM by Uthred
Said it a hundred times before, prolly will have to say it a hundred times after:

DF will only be neutral for the first 4 weeks after launch to give all realms an equal start. After 4 weeks the realm owning the most keeps will have access to DF. This is not going to change.
Mon 29 Oct 2018 8:05 PM by Cramit845
Uthred wrote:
Mon 29 Oct 2018 7:40 PM
Said it a hundred times before, prolly will have to say it a hundred times after:

DF will only be neutral for the first 4 weeks after launch to give all realms an equal start. After 4 weeks the realm owning the most keeps will have access to DF. This is not going to change.
How is it not equal with it being owned by realm with most keeps from beginning? Is this because of population and certain realms having way more or something else? Just wondering
Mon 29 Oct 2018 8:19 PM by Uthred
If one realm is dominating at the beginning or is way faster in xping than the other realms, then it will have even more advantages as DF (and rvr-dungeons in general) is the zone where you can get the most xp per mob (fz-bonus + dungeon-xp-bonus).
Mon 29 Oct 2018 8:23 PM by defiasbandit
Neutral first month is good.
Tue 30 Oct 2018 2:01 AM by Thinal
Uthred wrote:
Mon 29 Oct 2018 7:40 PM
Said it a hundred times before, prolly will have to say it a hundred times after:

DF will only be neutral for the first 4 weeks after launch to give all realms an equal start. After 4 weeks the realm owning the most keeps will have access to DF. This is not going to change.

I don't think that was directly to me and was instead to others, but just for clarification, my OP is not about DF. That was a quick mention of a possible side effect, and keeping it strictly for the realm with the most keeps in no way conflicts with the other dynamics I mention in the OP. I should have more clearly marked it OPTIONAL as I did the BG portion, because several posters have latched onto DF being open to multiple realms as if it were the only point I'd made. It's not something I even care about.
Sat 3 Nov 2018 10:36 PM by Sepplord
what would be the benfit though?

I don't get all these ideas, that first sound great, but are not actively solving a problem.
What is the problem that is solved by this mechanic?

i also don't think restricting access is the right way to do that. In general it is always better to give incentives to do something else instead of simply going "no, you are not allowed to do this now".
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