Autogroup stealthers in the level playing field event

Stealthers are currently autogrouped like any other class in the event. That causes some frustration among visis, and can also be frustrating as a stealther. For the next event, can you consider to autogroup stealthers?

I think this would be beneficial for both stealthers and visis.

Sun 21 Mar 2021 1:34 AM by Freedomcall

Tbh I personally didn't see any problem with stealthers being in visi group.
I've seen a awesome SB who knew how to utilize crippling poison for peel,
and a ranger with amazing side stun.
If they know how to play their class, stealthers can be useful as well just like any other classes.

Imo frustration comes from not having any buffer/healer or speed, rather than having a stealther in group.

Sun 21 Mar 2021 3:17 AM by joshisanonymous

I literally just came here to suggest the same thing. I'm currently grouped with an 2 NSs, an inf, and a minstrel, and I'm a mentalist. There is just nothing workable about this setup for me, especially since this is in the last level bracket where you come across groups made up of people who've been playing together for literally decades. I've had this same thing happening with autogroup throughout the event. I'm just constantly stuck with stealthers and only very rarely with any support classes whatsoever.

My preferred solution, of course, would be to go one step further and just stop having this event.

Freedomcall wrote: ↑
Sun 21 Mar 2021 1:34 AM
Tbh I personally didn't see any problem with stealthers being in visi group.
I've seen a awesome SB who knew how to utilize crippling poison for peel,
and a ranger with amazing side stun.
If they know how to play their class, stealthers can be useful as well just like any other classes.

Imo frustration comes from not having any buffer/healer or speed, rather than having a stealther in group.

I agree that stealthers can sometimes be effective in a group, but only at lower levels. When you get to the higher brackets and find yourself constantly running into premades made up of hardcore 8v8 players, it's incredibly frustrating to have half of your group walking around in stealth.

Sun 21 Mar 2021 4:33 AM by keen

I think stealthers are essential for auto group. Tell them to get into the city and get into a house or on a tower. Then you all port on them. It's quiet efficient and much better than running open field as autogrp dying to the first 5men you run into.

Sun 21 Mar 2021 12:35 PM by Lollie

I've got no problem with grouping stealth but they need to remember not to wander around towns if the group has wiped and need to get somewhere safe so the group can port. Also if there are a few in the group then not to go to stealth on inc, it makes the rest of the group easy targets

Sun 21 Mar 2021 12:52 PM by DJ2000

That is true, during the 2nd event i was once the single visi (Healer) in a all Stealth grp. At every inc i was basically just standing there solo, which was kinda hilarious.
Well, until we simply stayed and fought around Structures (keeps) and then it was easier for me to remain "hidden"/out-of-sight.
It was kinda fun actually. But open field you are basically instantly dead and the stealthers can't really jump into the fight either, after your 1 or 2 visi (supports/caster) are dead, in any meaningful way.
Communication is key to success obviously, but it has its limits.

Sun 21 Mar 2021 8:37 PM by Olk

DJ2000 wrote: ↑
Sun 21 Mar 2021 12:52 PM
That is true, during the 2nd event i was once the single visi (Healer) in a all Stealth grp. At every inc i was basically just standing there solo, which was kinda hilarious.
Well, until we simply stayed and fought around Structures (keeps) and then it was easier for me to remain "hidden"/out-of-sight.
It was kinda fun actually. But open field you are basically instantly dead and the stealthers can't really jump into the fight either, after your 1 or 2 visi (supports/caster) are dead, in any meaningful way.
Communication is key to success obviously, but it has its limits.

I did the exact same thing today as a druid. I had a blast.
I don't see the same problems as others in this thread. But as usual, bad players throw shadows and many stealthers are just too lazy to make an afford.
But then again almost nobody in this event makes an afford. If people put half of their energy into grouping instead of complaining, there wouldn't be 1000 threads and blabbing in /adv or /lfg...

Wed 24 Mar 2021 4:51 PM by Urzawolf

I had some of the most fun during the event in stealther groups on my champion (Malevolent). I would use the terrain to conceal myself and then add into other 5v5's. As a champion nobody had much interest in attacking me, however, I would pick/debuff the target and let them run off into the stealthers PA's and crit shots. Since many casters/healers naturally try to kite you they tend to fall for that trap easily. A fully champ debuffed target is an easy target for stealthers.

In the previous event, I did the complete reverse of this and played a nightshade (Deceive). With my nightshade I would group up with four visibles, preferably casters and find them safe places in town to port into. I probably lost a lot of RPS doing it, but I would make it a goal to release and port back in before the last person on our team was down so I could park us in a tower or building. I also was able to guard against stealthers since I could spot them and attack them quickly with instant DD to reveal them for the damage dealers.

Wed 24 Mar 2021 5:29 PM by vxr

I think stealthers grouped with visibles was okay, as long as you use whatever you can to take advantage of your strengths. The stealthers that autogrouped, but are basically solo were the only issue. If you want to solo, that's cool but disband.

If you are visible grouped with stealthers, camp/clear towns. If you have a healer put 'em in a tower or in a house and protect the choke points. One of my favorite groups included an SB in a visible group. We just camped a tower.

Fun event.

Thu 25 Mar 2021 2:06 PM by joshisanonymous

It definitely feels like the people saying "I had tons of fun being grouped with nothing but stealthers!" are only thinking of the lower levels. At the highest brackets, if you're autogrouping, the typical strategy seems to be "tag other autogroups before the premades kill them and you." Premades becoming exceedingly dominate at the highest brakcets no matter what your autogroup setup is, so making the autogroup a bunch of stealth, one or two visibles, and no support is just insane. You're not gonna be acting as bait to pick off weak casters or camping inside houses or something at that point because you'll rarely see some rando caster and everyone has the tools to clear houses by that time. You're just gonna keep running into groups like the one that had 2 healers, 1 shaman, an arms, and a BM, that was basically invulnerable and it will literally be invulnerable for against your group because you are nowhere near equipped to even begin to take on that challenge.

Thu 25 Mar 2021 4:32 PM by Urzawolf

joshisanonymous wrote: ↑
Thu 25 Mar 2021 2:06 PM
At the highest brackets, if you're autogrouping, the typical strategy seems to be "tag other autogroups before the premades kill them and you."

This is exactly why a stealther in your group is beneficial. If you aren't in a premade, may as well be setup to tag. Who can tag better than an archer? Being a visible that can function well with that dynamic was some of the best rps that I gained during the event. Also the 49-50 BG is crowded because that is where everyone ends up. You aren't fighting a premade solo, if your smart as a tagging group, your leeching off of a 5v5v5 group and picking off stragglers in the chaos. The stealthers can also keep you in the combat instead of out in the back 40.

People are free to /disband if they don't want to group with stealthers, however, I see no reason to prevent folks who are perfectly happy from doing so.

Fri 26 Mar 2021 12:35 AM by joshisanonymous

Urzawolf wrote: ↑
Thu 25 Mar 2021 4:32 PM
joshisanonymous wrote: ↑
Thu 25 Mar 2021 2:06 PM
At the highest brackets, if you're autogrouping, the typical strategy seems to be "tag other autogroups before the premades kill them and you."

This is exactly why a stealther in your group is beneficial. If you aren't in a premade, may as well be setup to tag. Who can tag better than an archer? Being a visible that can function well with that dynamic was some of the best rps that I gained during the event. Also the 49-50 BG is crowded because that is where everyone ends up. You aren't fighting a premade solo, if your smart as a tagging group, your leeching off of a 5v5v5 group and picking off stragglers in the chaos. The stealthers can also keep you in the combat instead of out in the back 40.

People are free to /disband if they don't want to group with stealthers, however, I see no reason to prevent folks who are perfectly happy from doing so.

My experience was quite different. There just aren't a lot of tagging opportunities in the last bracket. You get into a fight, the fight ends, and there's no other group around cleaning up your opponent. Stealthers didn't change that for me at all; I just died quicker.

It's also not possible to simply /disband, as this just puts you right back in the same group over and over again.

Fri 26 Mar 2021 12:53 AM by gotwqqd

joshisanonymous wrote: ↑
Fri 26 Mar 2021 12:35 AM
Urzawolf wrote: ↑
Thu 25 Mar 2021 4:32 PM
joshisanonymous wrote: ↑
Thu 25 Mar 2021 2:06 PM
At the highest brackets, if you're autogrouping, the typical strategy seems to be "tag other autogroups before the premades kill them and you."

This is exactly why a stealther in your group is beneficial. If you aren't in a premade, may as well be setup to tag. Who can tag better than an archer? Being a visible that can function well with that dynamic was some of the best rps that I gained during the event. Also the 49-50 BG is crowded because that is where everyone ends up. You aren't fighting a premade solo, if your smart as a tagging group, your leeching off of a 5v5v5 group and picking off stragglers in the chaos. The stealthers can also keep you in the combat instead of out in the back 40.

People are free to /disband if they don't want to group with stealthers, however, I see no reason to prevent folks who are perfectly happy from doing so.

My experience was quite different. There just aren't a lot of tagging opportunities in the last bracket. You get into a fight, the fight ends, and there's no other group around cleaning up your opponent. Stealthers didn't change that for me at all; I just died quicker.

It's also not possible to simply /disband, as this just puts you right back in the same group over and over again.

You port in next to the sneak who vanished or remained visible....right in the middle of two or more groups going at it to be summarily killed in <3sec ....no tagging

Fri 26 Mar 2021 4:47 PM by Urzawolf

"You port in next to the sneak who vanished or remained visible....right in the middle of two or more groups going at it to be summarily killed in <3sec ....no tagging"

If you port into a group of 5v5 currently in a fight and they turn to kill you, it is because you are an attractive target (caster/CC'r) when my shield champion would port into an ongoing fight, nobody switched to me unless I hit a caster/healer. You port to the group leader, ask them if it is safe. Not that difficult.

Fri 26 Mar 2021 6:38 PM by gotwqqd

Urzawolf wrote: ↑
Fri 26 Mar 2021 4:47 PM
"You port in next to the sneak who vanished or remained visible....right in the middle of two or more groups going at it to be summarily killed in <3sec ....no tagging"

If you port into a group of 5v5 currently in a fight and they turn to kill you, it is because you are an attractive target (caster/CC'r) when my shield champion would port into an ongoing fight, nobody switched to me unless I hit a caster/healer. You port to the group leader, ask them if it is safe. Not that difficult.

You miss the point entirely

Fri 26 Mar 2021 7:58 PM by Hattrick

joshisanonymous wrote: ↑
Sun 21 Mar 2021 3:17 AM
I literally just came here to suggest the same thing. I'm currently grouped with an 2 NSs, an inf, and a minstrel, and I'm a mentalist. There is just nothing workable about this setup for me, especially since this is in the last level bracket where you come across groups made up of people who've been playing together for literally decades. I've had this same thing happening with autogroup throughout the event. I'm just constantly stuck with stealthers and only very rarely with any support classes whatsoever.

My preferred solution, of course, would be to go one step further and just stop having this event.

I don't understand people like you. If you don't like the event, don't participate in it. Nobody has a gun to your head. Personally, I enjoyed it. It reminded me a lot of the early days of Mordred, and I appreciated the opportunity to quickly level up several characters as I have only been playing here a short time.

Sat 27 Mar 2021 6:46 PM by joshisanonymous

Hattrick wrote: ↑
Fri 26 Mar 2021 7:58 PM
joshisanonymous wrote: ↑
Sun 21 Mar 2021 3:17 AM
I literally just came here to suggest the same thing. I'm currently grouped with an 2 NSs, an inf, and a minstrel, and I'm a mentalist. There is just nothing workable about this setup for me, especially since this is in the last level bracket where you come across groups made up of people who've been playing together for literally decades. I've had this same thing happening with autogroup throughout the event. I'm just constantly stuck with stealthers and only very rarely with any support classes whatsoever.

My preferred solution, of course, would be to go one step further and just stop having this event.

I don't understand people like you. If you don't like the event, don't participate in it. Nobody has a gun to your head. Personally, I enjoyed it. It reminded me a lot of the early days of Mordred, and I appreciated the opportunity to quickly level up several characters as I have only been playing here a short time.

It's not that hard to understand: If the event is happening and I want to play DAoC, I have literally no options other than playing the event. The devs seemed to recognize this when they removed the option to extend the duration (which I appreciate as a compromise), so it seems to be a pretty understandable point.

Sat 27 Mar 2021 7:32 PM by Hattrick

C'mon man, that's not true. I saw plenty of keeps and towers changing hands while I was doing the event and I'm sure you did too. There may be fewer people in the frontiers than normal, but standard rvr was definitely still going on. I'll leave it at that as I don't want to derail the thread, which makes a valid point.

Sun 28 Mar 2021 2:44 PM by Smricha1

joshisanonymous wrote: ↑
Sat 27 Mar 2021 6:46 PM
Hattrick wrote: ↑
Fri 26 Mar 2021 7:58 PM
joshisanonymous wrote: ↑
Sun 21 Mar 2021 3:17 AM
I literally just came here to suggest the same thing. I'm currently grouped with an 2 NSs, an inf, and a minstrel, and I'm a mentalist. There is just nothing workable about this setup for me, especially since this is in the last level bracket where you come across groups made up of people who've been playing together for literally decades. I've had this same thing happening with autogroup throughout the event. I'm just constantly stuck with stealthers and only very rarely with any support classes whatsoever.

My preferred solution, of course, would be to go one step further and just stop having this event.

I don't understand people like you. If you don't like the event, don't participate in it. Nobody has a gun to your head. Personally, I enjoyed it. It reminded me a lot of the early days of Mordred, and I appreciated the opportunity to quickly level up several characters as I have only been playing here a short time.

It's not that hard to understand: If the event is happening and I want to play DAoC, I have literally no options other than playing the event. The devs seemed to recognize this when they removed the option to extend the duration (which I appreciate as a compromise), so it seems to be a pretty understandable point.

Not true. There’s more to do than just RvR

Sun 28 Mar 2021 2:45 PM by Smricha1

keen wrote: ↑
Sun 21 Mar 2021 4:33 AM
I think stealthers are essential for auto group. Tell them to get into the city and get into a house or on a tower. Then you all port on them. It's quiet efficient and much better than running open field as autogrp dying to the first 5men you run into.

This encourages not participating in the event lol just stay alive as a spawn point?