Apply the event rp gain bonus to regular RvR for characters with low Realm Rank

Started 5 Mar 2021
by borodino1812
in Suggestions
There has been a lot of discussion lately around the popularity of the level playing field event. The event itself is clearly a success. This is largely due to the playerbase appreciating that you can level through fighting other people, and perhaps more importantly, the ease of reaching RR5.

Getting to 5L5 through the event allows many classes to get the core skills they need to perform in regular RvR. The event allows you to get to this level rapidly and efficiently.

However, this leads to pressure on regular PvE leveling. Many think twice about starting a level 1 character afresh when faced with the slog of RR1-RR5. That leads to fewer people rerolling, which makes it tougher for any new player to level. Any player reaching level 50 by ordinary PvE leveling faces the prospect of being RR1-3 facing high level opponents.

My suggestion would be to apply the rp gain bonus to lower realm ranks in regular RvR. This should not threaten the event, as the intensity of the fighting and the ease of getting to 50, would still make the event popular. However it would perhaps lessen the reluctance to level a character the ordinary way outside the event, it would allow old characters an easier way to get up to speed, and finally it would allow new players an easier route to the game than waiting for the event.

I hope the devs will consider this option. In my view, it will benefit the server for the above reasons.
Fri 5 Mar 2021 6:20 PM by Uthred
This will never ever happen. We already have the task as a catch up mechanic for low realm rank.

Plus this:

Future Changes:

To make building level groups easier, especially in low pop times or between events, there will soon be an event / test where we will test level scaling for pve in a special zone, the end result would be that your level won't matter anymore when building xp groups.

Depending on the results of that test (or multiple tests, depending on feedback), we might decide to make this the way forward for leveling in which case the classic and si zones will be reworked accordingly.

The general gist is that the mob color classification will still exist and reflect the challenge level of a given mob with some spots just being blue, some spots just being yellow and some just being red, regardless of your level or group size. At this time it is still unclear if your stats will be visibly scaled when you join a group or if it will all happen behind the scenes when casting / hitting / being hit. The general idea is however that stats will be scaled according to % of cap you have, e. g. the stat cap from items at level 10 is 15 and if you have a stat at 15 while grouped with a level 50 that stat would be scaled to the level 50 stat cap (75) (either visibly or behind the scenes).

https://forum.playphoenix.online/server/announcements/28056-the-letter-playing-field-event#p157811
Fri 5 Mar 2021 6:24 PM by borodino1812
It's a pity, but I thank you for the swift reply.
Fri 5 Mar 2021 9:38 PM by gotwqqd
It’s a shame low RR are not given a boost so as to feel like you can compete against the HIGH rr players/8man who get more and more rp bonuses as the game goes on.
Fri 5 Mar 2021 11:22 PM by Ceen
Feeled like xping a toon today but remembered its no event atm.

So I played skyrim instead and will wait for the event to start
Sat 6 Mar 2021 4:27 AM by ExcretusMaximus
Uthred wrote:
Fri 5 Mar 2021 6:20 PM
This will never ever happen.

Many things that "will never ever happen" on this server have happened since its launch.

I don't know why you make statements like this.
Sat 6 Mar 2021 8:58 AM by keen
With the event on a regular base there is no incentive to play the standard way. I don't see how it is a problem to boost rps till 5l5 if you get boosted to the same RR or higher in the event. Doesn't need to be the same pace, since event is just temporary, but there should be an incentive to start new toons outside the event. Right now there is no sense in leveling sth the ordinary way.
Rp gain also scales with player count, so as soon as the player count drops the rp gain will drop. Not much you can do about it except boosting rp gain at some point.
Sat 6 Mar 2021 10:09 AM by Uthred
ExcretusMaximus wrote:
Sat 6 Mar 2021 4:27 AM
Uthred wrote:
Fri 5 Mar 2021 6:20 PM
This will never ever happen.

Many things that "will never ever happen" on this server have happened since its launch.

I don't know why you make statements like this.
Yes, that is correct. There have been statements like this before. But this case is different. We think that the rp gain is pretty great at lower realm ranks. It should rather be lowered than increased. Also we will rather increase the time between events than increase the rp gain. The event is the exception, an exception on a regular basis. It should not and it will not set the standard for rp gaining on Phoenix.

If we would do so, we could also just implement instant rr5 for everyone and this will never ever happen.
Sat 6 Mar 2021 10:20 AM by Astaa
I quite like getting to RR5, its the bit afterwards I tend to get alt twitchy. I think the RP gain is about right on phoenix.
Sat 6 Mar 2021 1:45 PM by DJ2000
Uthred wrote:
Sat 6 Mar 2021 10:09 AM
Yes, that is correct. There have been statements like this before. But this case is different. We think that the rp gain is pretty great at lower realm ranks. It should rather be lowered than increased. Also we will rather increase the time between events than increase the rp gain. The event is the exception, an exception on a regular basis. It should not and it will not set the standard for rp gaining on Phoenix.

If we would do so, we could also just implement instant rr5 for everyone and this will never ever happen.
I share the same thoughts, so i want to agree with you.

But you can't really say that the pvp Event is not the "standard", when 70?/80?/90? % of all rr1-rr5 in the last months did it that way, and will be doing so in the upcoming ones.
Sat 6 Mar 2021 2:57 PM by ExcretusMaximus
DJ2000 wrote:
Sat 6 Mar 2021 1:45 PM
But you can't really say that the pvp Event is not the "standard", when 70?/80?/90? % of all rr1-rr5 in the last months did it that way, and will be doing so in the upcoming ones.

Agreed.

The event is server-breakingly good, as in it's so good there is little incentive to do any leveling or pre-rr5 RvR at all as long as it exists. It was a nice one-time thing, but now that it's "guaranteed" to be every six weeks, it has killed a lot of people's motivation for the game outside of the event on anything but post-RR5 characters. Why spend three hours a day grinding at 10k an hour for two months to get rr5 when you can do it in two days during the event?

I'm not advocating the topic of the thread, I personally think it's fine where it is, but in my opinion (and that of a lot of the people I talk to) the event is going to kill this server. It was great when it was a one-time thing, giving in to people clamoring for it to be more often was a colossal mistake.
Mon 8 Mar 2021 9:04 AM by Equade2
Uthred wrote:
Sat 6 Mar 2021 10:09 AM
ExcretusMaximus wrote:
Sat 6 Mar 2021 4:27 AM
Uthred wrote:
Fri 5 Mar 2021 6:20 PM
This will never ever happen.

Many things that "will never ever happen" on this server have happened since its launch.

I don't know why you make statements like this.
Yes, that is correct. There have been statements like this before. But this case is different. We think that the rp gain is pretty great at lower realm ranks. It should rather be lowered than increased. Also we will rather increase the time between events than increase the rp gain. The event is the exception, an exception on a regular basis. It should not and it will not set the standard for rp gaining on Phoenix.

If we would do so, we could also just implement instant rr5 for everyone and this will never ever happen.

Understood and largely agree. My suggestion would be to allow twinks <5L5 to join the event (make a requirement to remove all items or w/e) so that some of us would at least still want to level toons outside of the events. Even with 6 weeks between events I'd still not want to make a toon outside event.
Thu 18 Mar 2021 3:02 PM by Beeblebrox
I just view the event as a chance to do something else for a few days. I don't enjoy it playing non stop for hours on end to get to rr5 quickly. It kills everything else I might enjoy so I'll just play or do something else when it's running.

If there was some way to spread it out so I didn't have to play for so long non-stop that'd be nice.
Fri 19 Mar 2021 8:09 AM by Sepplord
Uthred wrote:
Sat 6 Mar 2021 10:09 AM
It should not and it will not set the standard for rp gaining on Phoenix.

But hasn't that happened already? At least to some extent?
Recently people asking for RA-setups at RR4 are already told to reroll next event and get to RR5+ (and they are mostly correct that it will result in less time played total).

The issue with the Event isn't people levelling really fast, it is that they are able to "skip" to RR5 really fast. Plenty of people would still enjoy levelling in PvE if they had a means to increase the RR of their levelled toon as well as they could in the event.

Getting a char to RR5 in the event takes 20-25hours played (being really conservative here intentionally, not everyone/every class does it in 10-15hours or even less).At a pace of 10k/hr in "normal-RvR" that means a 4L5 character STILL still saves time by rerolling an event char and getting it to RR5 compared to playing his 4L5 char

The solutions to this are (imo) either:
-reducing the RP-cap heavily in the event
-giving the RP-bonus to RR5 outside of the event
-letting existing chars join the event

Each of those solutions has downsides and upsides, but imo they could outweigh the current downsides.
Fri 19 Mar 2021 8:54 AM by byron
Uthred wrote:
Sat 6 Mar 2021 10:09 AM
Yes, that is correct. There have been statements like this before. But this case is different. We think that the rp gain is pretty great at lower realm ranks. It should rather be lowered than increased.

Since my main char was leveled in the classic way , I assure you that doing RPs in the frontier when you are 2L0 against a lot pf players that are 9L/10L/11L is not so easy and fast ( at least in a realm without the zerg or if you don't want to zerg ) . But anyway I like so much this type of interaction between players and staff.
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