Make Enchanter Underhill Pets Mimic Cabalist pet procs

We all understand and agree that hib caster continues to be the worst realm as far as caster groups go. As it stands, Alb benefits from the nice array of cabalist pets, Mid has the BD army and the SM pet intercept, but yet Enchanters pretty much have to use the Underhill Ally or nothing. The snare nuke is nice but they could certainly benefit from more pet options.

Suggestion:
Rework the entire chanter pet line similar to the Cabby line to mimic the pet procs in some way to give enchanters access to a DISEASE PET.

DISEASE on the enchanter pet line opens up other options for not running an eldritch, since now you have nearsight on the mentalist. It also allows you to inevitably change the enchanter or animist for future balance changes to synergize those classes since they are pretty underwhelming atm.

Mon 1 Mar 2021 3:51 PM by joshisanonymous

I'm confused. Enchanters already have a nuke pet (two nuke pets in fact) and a stun even without a pet. Also, enchanters use ally pets in 8v8? I mean, I don't do 8v8 in any serious manner, but the only time I'd ever think of choosing the ally pet is if I don't trust my group's healers.

I dunno, you may be sharing a relatively silent complaint among enchanters here, but I'd be really surprised if they all secretly wanted Cabby pets instead.

Mon 1 Mar 2021 6:07 PM by Patron

Mimic or copy is not daoc spirit.
Classes should stay different and the arguement "make A same as B" harm the daoc spirit of pluralistic classes.

But Enchanters should take a view because Moarcane not enhance petbuffs.

Mon 1 Mar 2021 8:01 PM by Siouxsie

Hector wrote: ↑
Mon 1 Mar 2021 2:12 PM
We all understand and agree that hib caster continues to be the worst realm as far as caster groups go.

I stopped reading after this sentence.
Dude, you're having a laugh. Hib casters are crazy powerful. I wish my Runemaster had a castable stun.

Mon 1 Mar 2021 8:16 PM by ExcretusMaximus

Siouxsie wrote: ↑
Mon 1 Mar 2021 8:01 PM
Dude, you're having a laugh. Hib casters are crazy powerful. I wish my Runemaster had a castable stun.

Because you don't 8v8, or if you do you're undervaluing the root every Hib 8v8er would prefer over a stun that lasts literally 1.2 seconds before giving a full minute of immunity.

Mon 1 Mar 2021 9:44 PM by gotwqqd

joshisanonymous wrote: ↑
Mon 1 Mar 2021 3:51 PM
I'm confused. Enchanters already have a nuke pet (two nuke pets in fact) and a stun even without a pet. Also, enchanters use ally pets in 8v8? I mean, I don't do 8v8 in any serious manner, but the only time I'd ever think of choosing the ally pet is if I don't trust my group's healers.

I dunno, you may be sharing a relatively silent complaint among enchanters here, but I'd be really surprised if they all secretly wanted Cabby pets instead.

And speed?
I’ll take the chanter pets.

Mon 1 Mar 2021 10:58 PM by Hector

Wow the responses shed light on how clueless this player population generally is. Yikes

Tue 2 Mar 2021 2:58 AM by joshisanonymous

Hector wrote: ↑
Mon 1 Mar 2021 10:58 PM
Wow the responses shed light on how clueless this player population generally is. Yikes

We didn't ask to replace the enchanter nuke pet with a cabalist nuke pet.

But if there's honestly something great about using an ally in 8v8, I really am curious what it is.

Tue 2 Mar 2021 3:45 AM by Nephamael

imo all ench pets but one are alright, only the compatriot (melee pet) needs a disease or stun proc or snare style or a lot more dps or something to be viable, the caster snare pet is the only viable option for 8v8.

Imo ench needs a different buff.

I have been playing both heat train and energy train a bit during the last 8 weeks and i must say heat train has rly bad utility and in energytrain there is only 1 reason to grp an ench at all: baod.

The following were my ideas for an ench buff:

1) cast amnesia in lightspec

or

2) single and or aoeroot - single root as baseline and aoeroot could be specline light or enchantments

or

3) energy specnuke in enchantment or lightspec

or

4) nearsight in lightspec

or

5) rupt with the haste debuff - the problem with the already in theory nice 5s cooldown attack damage debuff rupt is - ench is usually MA for heat train, so he can't rly pick different targets while trying to assist down a target - and the control game in hib vs alb caster is a 2000-2300 range game, so ench is completely out of that unless he wants to overextend and die immediately. - Other caster MA classes with utility like cabba have 2300 range utility, so they can join the control game - Mid caster has the punch and push with their 1 more melee dps class (skald) and the 2300 range rupt on their healers, which hib lacks + the pushing power of the shaman no other buffclass brings in a comparable way (which is alright, it makes midgard unique).

Tue 2 Mar 2021 7:54 AM by Sepplord

lol, yeah Hibernia really needs a third nearsighter

could it be that ench seems lacking because mentalist got overbuffed into some utility abomination?

how is heal-pet > snarenuke pet in 8vs8?

and shaman gives midgard unique pushing power? the nitpicking is ridiculous

Tue 2 Mar 2021 11:15 PM by Vindicator

I like it Hector, not a bad idea to help boost Chanters. They badly need something, its a shame root and NS were already handed out.

Nobody is going to spec enchantments is the problem so whatever you give them has to be baseline in the enchantment line.

A single target 2.5s castable confuse with 1875 range would be a start for them. I'd also suggest that the Chanter version of this confuse spell as a 20% damage to pet only component so that they can actually contribute against classes other than only theurgs.

In the light line in keeping with the insta melee orientated debuffs, a scaled down version of an already present but not used Hib ability. Abs debuff. Animits dont use it much and thats just because they have other things to be doing in a grp than debuffing for tanks.

Insta single target 15s reuse abs debuff in light spec - 5%/10%/15%/20%/25%/30% at say 10/19/28/37/45/50

With some changes to the pets like you've mentioned giving some options in a group as well like a stun pet or disease pet I think that'd be pretty decent for Chanters. They are the red headed caster of hib as it stands.