nerf Dragonfang - Phoenix Freeshard

come on guys this is ridiculous, its instant win every time. please reduce to 5 sec stun.

Sun 21 Oct 2018 2:02 PM by Druth

Not that you care, but infils are the weakest assassins after RR5.

Sun 21 Oct 2018 3:11 PM by Joc

Yeah, I haven't lost a fight yet to an inf when purge is up. Killed about 20 or so infs yesterday solo, a couple even landed PA and I still pulled it out. I dont understand why they are so weak. Maybe it's the ws/con vs str/con debuffs.

So far I'm impressed with the damage of the SB over the other sneaks.

Sun 21 Oct 2018 3:34 PM by jelzinga_EU

Joc wrote: ↑
Sun 21 Oct 2018 3:11 PM
Yeah, I haven't lost a fight yet to an inf when purge is up. Killed about 20 or so infs yesterday solo, a couple even landed PA and I still pulled it out. I dont understand why they are so weak. Maybe it's the ws/con vs str/con debuffs.

So far I'm impressed with the damage of the SB over the other sneaks.

The problem isn't when Purge is up - obviously Dragonfang with Purge up means nothing. It is about when you don't have Purge up, then a 9 sec. stun is pretty much game-over. As a SB you're resistant to their Thrust damage-type, so it is one of the best imaginable scenario's.

Sun 21 Oct 2018 3:42 PM by Ombrix

x) i don’t know why you complain, it’s fun to get 9 sec slam and die, you wan’t to nerf slam from light tank too ? x) for me it’s fair , they press 1 button, you die. 😁

Sun 21 Oct 2018 4:17 PM by inoeth

infi is weak lol best joke... when purge is not up you are dead even as sb and pa
maybe when dragongfang is on 5 sec ppl start to skill their infis to slash and dw ....

Mon 22 Oct 2018 12:04 AM by Joc

I'm rolling an inf tonight to see if a high dw spec is any good. I hope the style overhaul is done prior to i50 being complete (maybe a staff member could weigh in on this?) so that we can try out some other specs with the reactionaries for stuns in other lines.

Mon 22 Oct 2018 7:36 PM by inoeth

i tested slash infi with 44 dw today and i have to say it is totally viable! dmg is even better than sb with around 190 mh and 80 offhand on sbs! and the best part is you also got a stun combo!

on the other hand i also had a fight with my hunter vs an infi which i backstunned on the 2nd hit, hit 3 rounds for around 280 then lost the fight to dragonfang, infi survived with 2% .... i mean thats not fkn fair.. i had a very good inc did good dmg and still lost to an ability thats basicly anytime WTF plz do something about it

Tue 23 Oct 2018 3:58 AM by Cadebrennus

inoeth wrote: ↑
Mon 22 Oct 2018 7:36 PM
i tested slash infi with 44 dw today and i have to say it is totally viable! dmg is even better than sb with around 190 mh and 80 offhand on sbs! and the best part is you also got a stun combo!

on the other hand i also had a fight with my hunter vs an infi which i backstunned on the 2nd hit, hit 3 rounds for around 280 then lost the fight to dragonfang, infi survived with 2% .... i mean thats not fkn fair.. i had a very good inc did good dmg and still lost to an ability thats basicly anytime WTF plz do something about it

If you really wanted to win (and were that close at his 2% life) then you would have used a DD or DoT charge on the guy.

Tue 23 Oct 2018 8:42 AM by inoeth

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Tue 23 Oct 2018 3:58 AM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Mon 22 Oct 2018 7:36 PM
i tested slash infi with 44 dw today and i have to say it is totally viable! dmg is even better than sb with around 190 mh and 80 offhand on sbs! and the best part is you also got a stun combo!

on the other hand i also had a fight with my hunter vs an infi which i backstunned on the 2nd hit, hit 3 rounds for around 280 then lost the fight to dragonfang, infi survived with 2% .... i mean thats not fkn fair.. i had a very good inc did good dmg and still lost to an ability thats basicly anytime WTF plz do something about it

If you really wanted to win (and were that close at his 2% life) then you would have used a DD or DoT charge on the guy.

lol! when i got stunned the enemy was not at 2%. my dog did the work. and i did not know i will get stunned because its nearly instant so i had no time to use dd charge.
this is a really poor try distract from the problem of a much too strong dragonfang!

Tue 23 Oct 2018 10:15 AM by klaggorn

Another enemy stealther looking for advantages over their opponents.

Tue 23 Oct 2018 1:15 PM by Joc

I still think high DW with slash is the way to go. Better damage. Though losing a 9s stun hurts.

Tue 23 Oct 2018 4:09 PM by inoeth

klaggorn wrote: ↑
Tue 23 Oct 2018 10:15 AM
Another enemy stealther looking for advantages over their opponents.

you mean the advantage of a 9 sec stun?

i am not asking for an advantage but for equalisation, btw why do all alb stealthers have a 9 sec stun with nearly no requirement and all others dont?

or if the 9 seconds are not questionable, make a chain out of it... there is really no reason why you have a 7 sec chain in DW line and the thrust stun is just an evade style and the stun is even longer... i mean come on where is the logic?

Tue 23 Oct 2018 4:58 PM by klaggorn

What part of daoc 1.65 is equal? Each realm is unique. A high rank sb and a high rank ns should have no problems taking out an inf. Avoid pain and viper. Sb hit like a truck and are resistant to thrust. You'll be fine. Stop complaining and play the class you choose to play on a i50 beta with rr6. 1.65 had 9 second df. You knew that when you made your stealther.

Tue 23 Oct 2018 5:55 PM by Niix

Joc wrote: ↑
Tue 23 Oct 2018 1:15 PM
I still think high DW with slash is the way to go. Better damage. Though losing a 9s stun hurts.

High DW slash has 7sec evade stun (2nd in chain) so you lose a tiny bit but it’s worked out incredibly well for me so far in i50, but I’m a stealth noob so what do I know

Wed 24 Oct 2018 10:24 AM by Sepplord

inoeth wrote: ↑
Tue 23 Oct 2018 4:09 PM
klaggorn wrote: ↑
Tue 23 Oct 2018 10:15 AM
Another enemy stealther looking for advantages over their opponents.

you mean the advantage of a 9 sec stun?

i am not asking for an advantage but for equalisation, btw why do all alb stealthers have a 9 sec stun with nearly no requirement and all others dont?

or if the 9 seconds are not questionable, make a chain out of it... there is really no reason why you have a 7 sec chain in DW line and the thrust stun is just an evade style and the stun is even longer... i mean come on where is the logic?

why do NS have ranged interrupts? Why is SB armor resistant to thrust?

DAOC is all about not being equal. That's one of the main pulls, and simply looking at single speclines or even single abilities is not painting the correct picture. If we start using those arguments for changes, people could argue nerfs even for classes like paladins or thanes...

Wed 24 Oct 2018 4:49 PM by inoeth

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Wed 24 Oct 2018 10:24 AM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Tue 23 Oct 2018 4:09 PM
klaggorn wrote: ↑
Tue 23 Oct 2018 10:15 AM
Another enemy stealther looking for advantages over their opponents.

you mean the advantage of a 9 sec stun?

i am not asking for an advantage but for equalisation, btw why do all alb stealthers have a 9 sec stun with nearly no requirement and all others dont?

or if the 9 seconds are not questionable, make a chain out of it... there is really no reason why you have a 7 sec chain in DW line and the thrust stun is just an evade style and the stun is even longer... i mean come on where is the logic?

why do NS have ranged interrupts? Why is SB armor resistant to thrust?

DAOC is all about not being equal. That's one of the main pulls, and simply looking at single speclines or even single abilities is not painting the correct picture. If we start using those arguments for changes, people could argue nerfs even for classes like paladins or thanes...

you can not compare that ... dragonfang is like twice as powerfull as all the other stuns stealthers have or even more since its not even a combo which would make that stun worth the efford of needing 2 styls actually to land and not just one....
ns insta and castable dds are not gamebreaking neither is amor resistance, you could just skill slash and even have a dmg bonus which the sb doesnt have, but in fact ppl chose dragonfang over bonus dmg.... can you see how the difference?

i dont get why some ppl dont want to see that its too strong and needs an adjustment.
many things got adjusted here and this is still in.... also it got changed in live daoc because it was simply too strong. and here some ppl just ignore that.

btw would be nice if the staff could say something to that topic

Fri 26 Oct 2018 2:28 AM by Nepenthe

inoeth wrote: ↑
Sun 21 Oct 2018 1:51 PM
come on guys this is ridiculous, its instant win every time. please reduce to 5 sec stun.

Would be ok with a nerf to 6 or 7 seconds if the damage gets move to high damage and no defense penalty.

Fri 26 Oct 2018 3:08 PM by inoeth

Nepenthe wrote: ↑
Fri 26 Oct 2018 2:28 AM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Sun 21 Oct 2018 1:51 PM
come on guys this is ridiculous, its instant win every time. please reduce to 5 sec stun.

Would be ok with a nerf to 6 or 7 seconds if the damage gets move to high damage and no defense penalty.

well since its a lvl 50 style i could see the need of raising the duration to 6 sec, but i think the dmg is pretty ok with the 50 thrust spec, no need to increase that.
if you want to do more dmg you have to spec different but then you lose the "anytime" stun , you have to decide dmg or utility
on the other hand the 7 sec style in the dw line kills too but its harder to land it, but i think that will bring a fair amount of fairness to this issue