Caster need more Power Pool!!!

Hey,

1. I love HP on all chars.
2. you increase AOM (what nobody spec).
3. You nerf debuff nukes.

= Caster need a lot more Power Pool to kill enemys.

I get one solo fight and i cant kill a "KOBOLD HUNTER" without using power potions.
If it will be a Full tank or Light tank with AOM. i dont need to fight because i dont have enough POWER to kill him.

I mean check the Video. i mean its not OK.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmqBcPPktmw

Thu 31 Dec 2020 1:44 PM by Ele

Hi,
I watched through your video. You don't need more power pool, you need to either manage your power by using pots (which you could'nt partly because you used heal pot+legion charge when you were at 56% power and 20% hp) or invest 5 pts into rp1 to have the 25% power refresh infight you'd have needed to kill the hunter.
You got out 14 lvl 41 snare nukes (one resist, 3 after the power pot), used your instant debuffs 5 times, diseased 2 times, used baseline stun on the pet, bombed and ns'd two times, and you were only oop after the hunter popped IP5 at 3% life.
Being out of power after 23 casts without using timers to refill your power is fair.

Thu 31 Dec 2020 1:59 PM by janabi22

Anyway he is right the cost on pow for healers class and caster is too big here thats all ppl can talk about manage power etc etc ....but the cost of pow is not right here too high

Thu 31 Dec 2020 2:35 PM by ExcretusMaximus

Managing your power as a caster/healer is a skill, and an important one. One of the biggest downfalls of live was making it so no one ever had to worry about power and could just spam until they died.

Thu 31 Dec 2020 3:38 PM by Egonek

Ele wrote: ↑
Thu 31 Dec 2020 1:44 PM
Hi,
I watched through your video. You don't need more power pool, you need to either manage your power by using pots (which you could'nt partly because you used heal pot+legion charge when you were at 56% power and 20% hp) or invest 5 pts into rp1 to have the 25% power refresh infight you'd have needed to kill the hunter.
You got out 14 lvl 41 snare nukes (one resist, 3 after the power pot), used your instant debuffs 5 times, diseased 2 times, used baseline stun on the pet, bombed and ns'd two times, and you were only oop after the hunter popped IP5 at 3% life.
Being out of power after 23 casts without using timers to refill your power is fair.

I was use NS to faster caster for faster RUPT.
on the end i spam NS for rupt because no POWER to dmg spell.

OKAY then we say wie FIGHT 2 VS 2.

Caster + SUPP VS Fulltank + SUP.

IF the duo with TANK can use HEALS you have 100000% NOT enough POWER to kill.

This was a KOBOLD hunter WITH LOW HP maybe only buff potion. i think 2k HP?

Fight vs a 3k HP full tank who get HEALS. you CANT win because NO POWER! its not possible.

and... i have to manage my power? ok so i need to train Ethereal Bound + Raging Power + POWER potions to have enough power to KILL one.

and MAYBE if i kill the tank. i still need POWER to kill the healer...

my english is to bad to accurately describe the problem.

there is a lot ways to fix it. but you need to fix somethink with the power pool.

Thu 31 Dec 2020 4:12 PM by Nephamael

= Caster need a lot more Power Pool to kill enemys.

Yes this is needed for a long time already.

It's about time it gets addressed and yes we will see Mid Caster again when it happens (being the realm with the most baseline nukers in a standard caster comp = being hit hardest by the power limits.

My suggestion: 25% more powerpool for all mana users or 25% less power consume on baseline nukes, even tho i prefer more powerpool for everyone (healer types have been asking for this a lot too since the HP buff).

Thu 31 Dec 2020 4:35 PM by janabi22

Nephamael wrote: ↑
Thu 31 Dec 2020 4:12 PM
= Caster need a lot more Power Pool to kill enemys.

Yes this is needed for a long time already.

It's about time it gets addressed and yes we will see Mid Caster again when it happens (being the realm with the most baseline nukers in a standard caster comp = being hit hardest by the power limits.

My suggestion: 25% more powerpool for all mana users or 25% less power consume on baseline nukes, even tho i prefer more powerpool for everyone (healer types have been asking for this a lot too since the HP buff).

I agreed with you but dont worry excretus will always come to the post to said we are doing it bad and dont manage power and bla bla bla

Thu 31 Dec 2020 4:53 PM by ExcretusMaximus

janabi22 wrote: ↑
Thu 31 Dec 2020 4:35 PM
I agreed with you but dont worry excretus will always come to the post to said we are doing it bad and dont manage power and bla bla bla

Which is obviously the case, as the people who are actually good at the game have no issue managing their power. Stop spamming spread heals and greaters as healers. Use potions early and often, not when you're at 15%. Stop using baseline nukes without focus. If your spec doesn't have focus for any spell, then you're speccing wrong or you're specced as a group caster and you shouldn't be able to freely nuke at the rate of someone who is actually specced for it.

Thu 31 Dec 2020 5:19 PM by Ele

Egonek wrote: ↑
Thu 31 Dec 2020 3:38 PM
This was a KOBOLD hunter WITH LOW HP maybe only buff potion. i think 2k HP?

Technically, you killed him almost twice, you got him easily down to 3%, then he used IP 5 to get back to 83%HP, and you were able to nuke him down again, you just had to wait 15 secs for power pot timer. Lets switch the angle: You nuked him 14 times (-one resist) for 217 dmg, so you dealt 13x217=2821 hps, which is accurate for a combined buffed stealther after str/con debuff killed twice, although he blew a 30 pts RA.
Sidenote: don't get me wrong, you played that well.

Edit:
I have to add that Excre's post about group/solo specs applies to you Ego, as you are Bomb specc, if I saw that correctly. As a light eld with cheap spec nukes you wouldn't have power problems.

Thu 31 Dec 2020 5:47 PM by janabi22

ExcretusMaximus wrote: ↑
Thu 31 Dec 2020 4:53 PM
janabi22 wrote: ↑
Thu 31 Dec 2020 4:35 PM
I agreed with you but dont worry excretus will always come to the post to said we are doing it bad and dont manage power and bla bla bla

Which is obviously the case, as the people who are actually good at the game have no issue managing their power. Stop spamming spread heals and greaters as healers. Use potions early and often, not when you're at 15%. Stop using baseline nukes without focus. If your spec doesn't have focus for any spell, then you're speccing wrong or you're specced as a group caster and you shouldn't be able to freely nuke at the rate of someone who is actually specced for it.

Yeah explain us how to heal group members when you are inside a tower and there are walls ( I cant cast like the GTAOE ) how to heal them with out spread heals you always talking about dont use spread like there is other way to heal your group inside a tower or keep when you have no vision of them and they are getting GTAOE and dots aoe please excretus guide us to the right way master.

Thu 31 Dec 2020 7:21 PM by stripperrella

Egonek wrote: ↑
Thu 31 Dec 2020 11:20 AM
(.....)

I get one solo fight and i cant kill a "KOBOLD HUNTER" without using power potions.
If it will be a Full tank or Light tank with AOM. i dont need to fight because i dont have enough POWER to kill him.

how i kill solo everyone if no RA are used.

green or grey ns on max range, green or grey aoe mezz, aoe disease + stun + con debuff + snare dd. kite 500-800 /groundset locs. repeat con debuff + snare dd.

if needed purge + moc 5 pwnage

more ways to outplay tanks available. + power cap, serenity 2.. mcl1+pot+chunk.. easily enough power for 2 tanks in a row

hope you find more tipps

Thu 31 Dec 2020 9:23 PM by Egonek

stripperrella wrote: ↑
Thu 31 Dec 2020 7:21 PM
Egonek wrote: ↑
Thu 31 Dec 2020 11:20 AM
(.....)

I get one solo fight and i cant kill a "KOBOLD HUNTER" without using power potions.
If it will be a Full tank or Light tank with AOM. i dont need to fight because i dont have enough POWER to kill him.

how i kill solo everyone if no RA are used.

green or grey ns on max range, green or grey aoe mezz, aoe disease + stun + con debuff + snare dd. kite 500-800 /groundset locs. repeat con debuff + snare dd.

if needed purge + moc 5 pwnage

more ways to outplay tanks available. + power cap, serenity 2.. mcl1+pot+chunk.. easily enough power for 2 tanks in a row

hope you find more tipps

I give you 100P if you kill my HERO with aom 9 + ip + stag.

an ench RR6 with tasty + instant power potion. cant kill me. he is OOM

Thu 31 Dec 2020 9:27 PM by Egonek

Ele wrote: ↑
Thu 31 Dec 2020 5:19 PM
Egonek wrote: ↑
Thu 31 Dec 2020 3:38 PM
This was a KOBOLD hunter WITH LOW HP maybe only buff potion. i think 2k HP?

Technically, you killed him almost twice, you got him easily down to 3%, then he used IP 5 to get back to 83%HP, and you were able to nuke him down again, you just had to wait 15 secs for power pot timer. Lets switch the angle: You nuked him 14 times (-one resist) for 217 dmg, so you dealt 13x217=2821 hps, which is accurate for a combined buffed stealther after str/con debuff killed twice, although he blew a 30 pts RA.
Sidenote: don't get me wrong, you played that well.

Edit:
I have to add that Excre's post about group/solo specs applies to you Ego, as you are Bomb specc, if I saw that correctly. As a light eld with cheap spec nukes you wouldn't have power problems.

Yes i am mana SPEC. red s/c debuff = arround 500. lower HP = so i think i need the same numbers of nukes as a light spec nuke.

But ok. i spec now LIGHT than i dont have power problems. lol.

Thu 31 Dec 2020 11:18 PM by Ele

Egonek wrote: ↑
Thu 31 Dec 2020 9:27 PM
Ele wrote: ↑
Thu 31 Dec 2020 5:19 PM
Egonek wrote: ↑
Thu 31 Dec 2020 3:38 PM
This was a KOBOLD hunter WITH LOW HP maybe only buff potion. i think 2k HP?

Technically, you killed him almost twice, you got him easily down to 3%, then he used IP 5 to get back to 83%HP, and you were able to nuke him down again, you just had to wait 15 secs for power pot timer. Lets switch the angle: You nuked him 14 times (-one resist) for 217 dmg, so you dealt 13x217=2821 hps, which is accurate for a combined buffed stealther after str/con debuff killed twice, although he blew a 30 pts RA.
Sidenote: don't get me wrong, you played that well.

Edit:
I have to add that Excre's post about group/solo specs applies to you Ego, as you are Bomb specc, if I saw that correctly. As a light eld with cheap spec nukes you wouldn't have power problems.

Yes i am mana SPEC. red s/c debuff = arround 500. lower HP = so i think i need the same numbers of nukes as a light spec nuke.

But ok. i spec now LIGHT than i dont have power problems. lol.

At least less problems than with Mana spec, as your snare nuke has a lower delve and higher power cost when compared to the light spec nuke.

Fri 1 Jan 2021 12:51 AM by gotwqqd

Won’t the baseline mana energy nuke alleviate the issue?

Fri 1 Jan 2021 1:07 PM by Ele

Not really, as the baseline nuke and the snare nuke have the same delve, so you'd still need about 10 nukes to kill a target.

Fri 1 Jan 2021 1:44 PM by gotwqqd

Ele wrote: ↑
Fri 1 Jan 2021 1:07 PM
Not really, as the baseline nuke and the snare nuke have the same delve, so you'd still need about 10 nukes to kill a target.

What if you spec 49 void for energy debuff
20 mana for baseline nuke cost and variance and disease
6 light for ns

Fri 1 Jan 2021 2:57 PM by Ele

Then you'd have two bolts to solve the problem by dealing 2-3x the dmg of the snare nuke (if they hit).

Fri 1 Jan 2021 3:13 PM by gotwqqd

Ele wrote: ↑
Fri 1 Jan 2021 2:57 PM
Then you'd have two bolts to solve the problem by dealing 2-3x the dmg of the snare nuke (if they hit).

Followed by purple energy debuff stun and baseline energy nukes

Fri 1 Jan 2021 7:01 PM by joshisanonymous

I'm not too keen on the idea of increasing the power pool size. It would certainly help me as a solo SM since it would mean I could recast that many more pets if necessary, but that feels imbalanced to me. As is, I have to be careful about relying on pet intercepts too much because I'll be OOP if I have to QC my pet twice. If someone manages to kill my pet twice while I'm just standing there, I probably deserve to die.

Similarly, you had to go through pretty much that hunter's entire health pool twice before you ran out of power, and you don't seem to have any RAs for power management. Surviving through your power pool should be a valid counter for that hunter in this scenario. If you had power management RAs, you would've been in a better position to deal with his use of IP. I don't have any power management RAs either, but I accept that as a weakness of my build. Increasing the size of power pools risks removing this weakness (and therefore dumbing down combat tactics) and making power RAs meaningless.

Fri 1 Jan 2021 8:51 PM by Nephamael

But ok. i spec now LIGHT than i dont have power problems. lol.

Don't do it, you won't be oom but you can only kill casters :p and we all know how many casters run solo lol.

Since the HP rework you can only kill melees via kiting as a caster. End of story.

Stop using baseline nukes without focus. If your spec doesn't have focus for any spell, then you're speccing wrong or you're specced as a group caster and you shouldn't be able to freely nuke at the rate of someone who is actually specced for it.

I am down to 45% power after most tanks with 37+18 light if they don't use IP. (and i have wp5 acuity2 mom3 for mana efficiency)

I can not kill 2 people without using mcl2, even vs 2 BDs i needed mcl.

Use potions early and often, not when you're at 15%

This is not a valid point as you need to use potions for self heal and charges for interrupts. Denying casters to use their pots/charges in any other way than for power is like forcing every tank into always only using endu pots AND endu charge!- look what patch we got, friars now give group endu reduction, for what purpose might that be?!

Fri 1 Jan 2021 9:45 PM by gotwqqd

Nephamael wrote: ↑
Fri 1 Jan 2021 8:51 PM
But ok. i spec now LIGHT than i dont have power problems. lol.

Don't do it, you won't be oom but you can only kill casters :p and we all know how many casters run solo lol.

Since the HP rework you can only kill melees via kiting as a caster. End of story.

Stop using baseline nukes without focus. If your spec doesn't have focus for any spell, then you're speccing wrong or you're specced as a group caster and you shouldn't be able to freely nuke at the rate of someone who is actually specced for it.

I am down to 45% power after most tanks with 37+18 light if they don't use IP. (and i have wp5 acuity2 mom3 for mana efficiency)

I can not kill 2 people without using mcl2, even vs 2 BDs i needed mcl.

Use potions early and often, not when you're at 15%

This is not a valid point as you need to use potions for self heal and charges for interrupts. Denying casters to use their pots/charges in any other way than for power is like forcing every tank into always only using endu pots AND endu charge!- look what patch we got, friars now give group endu reduction, for what purpose might that be?!

wp is a waste since the change long ago
How about raging power in the mix

Fri 1 Jan 2021 9:51 PM by ExcretusMaximus

gotwqqd wrote: ↑
Fri 1 Jan 2021 9:45 PM
wp is a waste since the change long ago
How about raging power in the mix

Why spec and play properly when you can just cry until you get your way?

Fri 1 Jan 2021 10:06 PM by Nephamael

wp is a waste since the change long ago
How about raging power in the mix

wp is still the most dps and power efficient passive RA you can get, before acuity and mom

raging power is a valid option for some, but imo mcl2 is the better choice for most, unless you want both like a druid anyway

Having to use power RAs in a 1v1 or for killing 1 guy in a 8v8 is defnitely not the way this game should work :p

If i run oom and lose because of that in a 1v3 that's ok /shrug.

If i am down to 30% power after trying to nuke assist a tank in a 8v8 who got amazing heals and some of my other fellow casters got rupted, so he didn't die and i have to mcl before trying the nxt target something is waaaay wrong

Sat 2 Jan 2021 12:07 AM by gotwqqd

Nephamael wrote: ↑
Fri 1 Jan 2021 10:06 PM
wp is a waste since the change long ago
How about raging power in the mix

wp is still the most dps and power efficient passive RA you can get, before acuity and mom

raging power is a valid option for some, but imo mcl2 is the better choice for most, unless you want both like a druid anyway

Having to use power RAs in a 1v1 or for killing 1 guy in a 8v8 is defnitely not the way this game should work :p

If i run oom and lose because of that in a 1v3 that's ok /shrug.

If i am down to 30% power after trying to nuke assist a tank in a 8v8 who got amazing heals and some of my other fellow casters got rupted, so he didn't die and i have to mcl before trying the nxt target something is waaaay wrong

Something is wrong because your trying to kill a TANK who, by your own description, is getting AMAZING HEALS ?
Maybe lockdown the healer first?
Seems like your team is In over their head or simply overmatched