What RAs for Mins & Theurg for i50 ?

Ok, we get R5L9 with our i50s. I need some help deciding what RAs to get for the Mins and Theurg I plan on making. Obviously, Purge and LW1 for both. Maybe MCL and Serenity for the Theurg. Don't know that much about Mins RAs.

So far, for the Mins,I have come up with:
- LW 1
- Purge
- MoP 3
- MoB 3
- IP
- AM 2 (one point left)

For Theurg, I was thinking:
- LW 1
- Purge
- Concentration
- Raging Power (incl. MCL 2)

After that, I wasn't sure what to go with. Some combination of Ethereal Bond, Wild Arcana, Wild Power, MoA and MoM I guess, but not sure what the priorities should be.

Any input would be appreciated....thanks !!!!!

Tue 16 Oct 2018 6:22 PM by klaggorn

Mini I would go SOS purge first aid 2 ip tireless 1 lw 1 then whatever else you want. Those are really your starting ones.

Theurgist is dependant on what your spec is. If you're a rupt theurgist, I'd go mcl 2 rp purge acuity 5 Mota 5 tireless 1. That's rr6. Then build for moc. If you're a nuker, this could change to wild power or something.

Tue 16 Oct 2018 8:10 PM by JaggedOne

klaggorn wrote: ↑
Tue 16 Oct 2018 6:22 PM
Mini I would go SOS purge first aid 2 ip tireless 1 lw 1 then whatever else you want. Those are really your starting ones.

Don't need Tireless for i50, since the Combined Regen pot they give us includes end regen 4.

klaggorn wrote: ↑
Tue 16 Oct 2018 6:22 PM
Theurgist is dependant on what your spec is. If you're a rupt theurgist, I'd go mcl 2 rp purge acuity 5 Mota 5 tireless 1. That's rr6. Then build for moc. If you're a nuker, this could change to wild power or something.

I was planning to put 35 in Earth for the 2nd PBT, then the rest (41) in Ice. Wouldn't that allow me to function as both a rupter *and* a nuker, depending on the need of the moment ?

Thanks for your reply !!!!

Wed 17 Oct 2018 5:13 AM by depth

JaggedOne wrote: ↑
Tue 16 Oct 2018 8:10 PM
klaggorn wrote: ↑
Tue 16 Oct 2018 6:22 PM
Mini I would go SOS purge first aid 2 ip tireless 1 lw 1 then whatever else you want. Those are really your starting ones.

Don't need Tireless for i50, since the Combined Regen pot they give us includes end regen 4.

klaggorn wrote: ↑
Tue 16 Oct 2018 6:22 PM
Theurgist is dependant on what your spec is. If you're a rupt theurgist, I'd go mcl 2 rp purge acuity 5 Mota 5 tireless 1. That's rr6. Then build for moc. If you're a nuker, this could change to wild power or something.

I was planning to put 35 in Earth for the 2nd PBT, then the rest (41) in Ice. Wouldn't that allow me to function as both a rupter *and* a nuker, depending on the need of the moment ?

Thanks for your reply !!!!

If you're planning on 8v8 I believe a more mainstream spec would be:
48 Earth (Don't forget to use your dehaste! It has a 2 minute duration and it comes back up every 5 seconds!)
18 Ice
13 Wind
(You're almost never required to nuke on a Theurg, you job is purely to interrupt - stop incoming damage - stop heals - help manage enemy pets)

If you really enjoy the Ice pets, then the spec you mentioned is also fun:
41 Ice (The AoE root can be very useful too)
35 Earth

Wed 17 Oct 2018 11:29 AM by Druth

Tireless is better than lw here.
Lw only helps when sprinting, tireless helps all the time.

Wed 17 Oct 2018 11:57 AM by klaggorn

JaggedOne wrote: ↑
Tue 16 Oct 2018 8:10 PM
klaggorn wrote: ↑
Tue 16 Oct 2018 6:22 PM
Mini I would go SOS purge first aid 2 ip tireless 1 lw 1 then whatever else you want. Those are really your starting ones.

Don't need Tireless for i50, since the Combined Regen pot they give us includes end regen 4.

klaggorn wrote: ↑
Tue 16 Oct 2018 6:22 PM
Theurgist is dependant on what your spec is. If you're a rupt theurgist, I'd go mcl 2 rp purge acuity 5 Mota 5 tireless 1. That's rr6. Then build for moc. If you're a nuker, this could change to wild power or something.

I was planning to put 35 in Earth for the 2nd PBT, then the rest (41) in Ice. Wouldn't that allow me to function as both a rupter *and* a nuker, depending on the need of the moment ?

Thanks for your reply !!!!

Mini needs to twist and with just lw1 or tireless 1 you done regain endo. Definitely need both. As for theurgist, high ice is kind of worthless. The ice pets aren't really any different once you get the level 25 one. Most people for pure rupts go either 47 earth 25 ice or 35 earth 25 ice 32 air. Tri spec gives you blue pets to 50 across the board.

Wed 17 Oct 2018 1:27 PM by Ardri

On launch, every class will need lw1+tireless1 + blue invig pot = perma sprint. However, with i50 you get free yellow invigs so if you're a caster you can drop lw1. But if you're a melee (minst included), you will be sprinting, styling, and playing songs so you are still going need lw1+tireless1.

Minst: LW1 + Tireless1, SoS, Purge, First Aid 2, IP, pre-req + Avoid Pain.
Theurg: LW1, Purge, MCL 2, Raging Power, pre-req + MoTA.

Thu 25 Oct 2018 12:21 AM by k9cj5

What do the different Theurg pets do? And what abilities would you use as a Trip spec Theurg?

Thu 25 Oct 2018 7:32 AM by Koljar

Well: Earth pets last long and are the toughest of them all (iirc), ice pets have a snare nuke that rupts even when it's resisted, air pets have a stun (with iirc roughly 20% chance to procc).

If you want to go tri spec I'd suggest: 35 earth (60 sec pets + 8 sec pbt if needed + dehaste), 25 ice (max lvl pet), 32 wind (highest pets)
This makes you a rupter and basically nothing else (your baseline ice nuke varies by a lot and the wind nuke gets resisted a lot...).

Theu is one of the classes I'll propably be going for on when Phoenix goes live, it's either gonna be the tri spec above or 35 earth, 41 ice (highest pets, okish snare nuke and aoe-snare).

Thu 25 Oct 2018 10:17 AM by Kaziera

Ice pets are imo useless. 25s durarion The snare nuke is only good for snare on tanks. Supporters can just kite - cast -kite -cast because the pet has a casting time. Even instant stat debuffs makea them go melee. On tanks they are even worse. Ok, they snare. But a good tank will just run towards the ice pet. In melee range the pet will then go melee and give the tank cc immunity for the rest of the time.

Air pets are nice, the stun is annoyoing, but rhey last only 20s. Best use is to put 3 air pets on a overextended tank and then start nuking with your sorc. No peels needes.

Earth pets are your best rupters. 30s duration. Healers or druids need 3 hits or more. Higher spec pet just deal more melee dmg.

My spec is always 45 wind 26 Earth. Best nuke good earth pet rupt. And blue pbt. Yellow and red pbt are bad cuz high mana cost.