Rangers

Started 9 Dec 2020
by Pigleto
in Suggestions
Could you do something to make Hybrid Rangers more viable? I do not like to play sniper and I do not like playing full melee. When you nerfed our bow damage, you made specs with 35 or 40 bow not viable anymore. The current meta rangers need to group up and add on fights to get rps. We cannot 1v1 against assassins. Even if we had IP 5 we are one trick ponies for 15 mins. I'd take more spec points or even a frontal snare. Some Hybrid specs are

42 PF, 40 bow, 34 pierce, 18 CD and 33 stealth
40 PF, 35 Bow, 34 Pierce, 29 CD, and 33 stealth
42 PF, 35 bow, 39 blades, 18 CD, and 33 stealth

Ideally I'd like to have enough points to have at least 45 in bow and 29 in CD. For every 5 skill points in bow you pick up another 30 to 40 points in damage. Right now as a ranger you are either sniper spec or you are some melee spec where you don't even have composite 50 stealth. I don't want to play a melee ranger as the bow is the primary benefit of the class.

48PF, 50 Bow, 10 blades, and 32 stealth (cookie cutter spec that most rangers are)

Maybe instead of nerfing bow damage, you should have nerfed specifically rangers running around in the BG with druid and bard buffs. I'm sure you could cap buffs to have a value of combined forces pots casted on people. And please make volley more viable again. You nerfed volley into the ground so hard that no one even uses it anymore. A 30 second timer would be fine on volley and given that people can't ground assist other people it would take time for people to have to find their own ground targets. Either remove volley from game or fix it to a lower timer or else reduce the rps cost to purchase it because right now it isn't worth spending 8 rps for it.

You gave Hibernia a bonus to rps recently. And maybe that's because about 30 days ago you nerfed a few of our classes and people who invested their time and effort went to play other realms.
Wed 9 Dec 2020 2:41 PM by Lollie
So you want your cake and to eat it?
Wed 9 Dec 2020 3:22 PM by Sepplord
the suggestions seem a bit ridiculous to me too....

one thing though is a pretty decent suggestion and i can follow the logic behind it. Volley.
With /groundassist being removed Volley could(should?) be buffed again as it in itself never was a too strong abilitiy

iirr the issue was archers getting a groundtarget from someone else and multiple archers assiting onto the same spot with volley from locations far away and without LOS. That wouldn't be possible anymore
Wed 9 Dec 2020 9:31 PM by gotwqqd
I think a hybrid spec starts out with 27:30 Archery
Wed 9 Dec 2020 10:23 PM by The Skies Asunder
I have been running hybrid spec for quite a long time, and have been doing fine overall through the up and down changes.

At RR6 I am specced:

34 Stealth
35 Archery
40 Pathfinding
39 Blades
19 Celtic Dual

I have definitely noticed the decrease in archery damage for Ranger, especially crit shot (I have thoughts on this of course, but they aren't really relevant to this topic), but I have still been fine as a whole, while solo or duo. I can't really speak too much to Keep Defense/Siege because I am usually only involved in about 1 every two weeks.
Thu 10 Dec 2020 1:26 AM by daytonchambers
gotwqqd wrote:
Wed 9 Dec 2020 9:31 PM
I think a hybrid spec starts out with 27:30 Archery

This

Hybrid means you're just OK at both jobs. So your fight starts with some bow shots and ends in melee.

You want sniper archery power and melee ranger dual wield strength at the same time. Ain't gonna happen.

I just recently switched back to Hib due to their plummeting population, and in the rr7s my hybrid is now specced 33stealth 38weapon 18CD 35bow and 43path. I wont dominate in either area but I wont be 100% gimp in melee or ranged damage either.
Thu 10 Dec 2020 2:02 AM by The Skies Asunder
daytonchambers wrote:
Thu 10 Dec 2020 1:26 AM
gotwqqd wrote:
Wed 9 Dec 2020 9:31 PM
I think a hybrid spec starts out with 27:30 Archery

This

Hybrid means you're just OK at both jobs. So your fight starts with some bow shots and ends in melee.

You want sniper archery power and melee ranger dual wield strength at the same time. Ain't gonna happen.

I just recently switched back to Hib due to their plummeting population, and in the rr7s my hybrid is now specced 33stealth 38weapon 18CD 35bow and 43path. I wont dominate in either area but I wont be 100% gimp in melee or ranged damage either.

What is the purpose of going 43 path? 15% additional speed once every 10 minutes seems like a waste to me. If you're blades spec, I would recommend going to 39 blades to get the ASR anytime follow up.
Thu 10 Dec 2020 3:09 AM by gotwqqd
The Skies Asunder wrote:
Thu 10 Dec 2020 2:02 AM
daytonchambers wrote:
Thu 10 Dec 2020 1:26 AM
gotwqqd wrote:
Wed 9 Dec 2020 9:31 PM
I think a hybrid spec starts out with 27:30 Archery

This

Hybrid means you're just OK at both jobs. So your fight starts with some bow shots and ends in melee.

You want sniper archery power and melee ranger dual wield strength at the same time. Ain't gonna happen.

I just recently switched back to Hib due to their plummeting population, and in the rr7s my hybrid is now specced 33stealth 38weapon 18CD 35bow and 43path. I wont dominate in either area but I wont be 100% gimp in melee or ranged damage either.

What is the purpose of going 43 path? 15% additional speed once every 10 minutes seems like a waste to me. If you're blades spec, I would recommend going to 39 blades to get the ASR anytime follow up.
Likely he dumped one or two cd levels
Smart choice
Mon 14 Dec 2020 11:54 AM by inoeth
i found that high cd spec is actually better than 39 blades tbh...
the easy ASR is not really needed imo since you have an evade combo with a 21% ASR too
its stronger to have alot of offhand hits

at rr6
27 bow
34 blades
30 pf
44 cd
34 stealth
Tue 15 Dec 2020 3:11 PM by Noashakra
I didn't play with the fireblade chain, it was a pain in the ass to pass the 1st and 2nd style because of the lack of to hit bonus and the damage of the first style is horrible.
Like Inoeth said, I was playing with the debuff on evade, just after using the evade stun.
Wed 16 Dec 2020 8:22 PM by The Skies Asunder
Noashakra wrote:
Tue 15 Dec 2020 3:11 PM
I didn't play with the fireblade chain, it was a pain in the ass to pass the 1st and 2nd style because of the lack of to hit bonus and the damage of the first style is horrible.
Like Inoeth said, I was playing with the debuff on evade, just after using the evade stun.

Crazy talk lol. I have never noticed a problem landing the ASR follow up. I will have to track it to see if it actually is an issue. Fire Blade damage is definitely low, but the CD anytime styles are even worse. If you are going to have high CD, by lowering PF and Blades to stay hybrid spec, then I can certainly see the argument of lowering blades. Without high CD though, I don't think it is worth it. Full melee is obviously another story, because you'd have access to all of the styles anyway.
Wed 16 Dec 2020 11:21 PM by Noashakra
The Skies Asunder wrote:
Wed 16 Dec 2020 8:22 PM
Noashakra wrote:
Tue 15 Dec 2020 3:11 PM
I didn't play with the fireblade chain, it was a pain in the ass to pass the 1st and 2nd style because of the lack of to hit bonus and the damage of the first style is horrible.
Like Inoeth said, I was playing with the debuff on evade, just after using the evade stun.

Crazy talk lol. I have never noticed a problem landing the ASR follow up. I will have to track it to see if it actually is an issue. Fire Blade damage is definitely low, but the CD anytime styles are even worse. If you are going to have high CD, by lowering PF and Blades to stay hybrid spec, then I can certainly see the argument of lowering blades. Without high CD though, I don't think it is worth it. Full melee is obviously another story, because you'd have access to all of the styles anyway.

it's not completly worst, if you miss the 2nd style, the dps loss is huge. I made the test, the average of the two styles is equal to a taunt. And the evade dual debuff ASR is really good in term of GR and to hit bonus. I played without fireblade from the 5L and above, because I prefered to have high dual and high PF (44 CD and 42PF at the 9L).

With the MoAcane nerf, I will test one day 30 stealth 32 blade 39 dual 45 bow,
Might be a good spec vs visi and still have your chances vs asn if IP and purge up.
Thu 17 Dec 2020 1:21 AM by The Skies Asunder
I am 6L5 at the moment, and will likely never make it anywhere near 9 or 10L, because I'm pretty casual these days overall. I will have to try out some other specs pretty soon, as I have been the current one for over a year now. I really haven't struggled with Fire Blade --> Spectrum Blade though. You'll have to let me know how that spec goes if you ever jump back on your Ranger.
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