8v8 flagged groups - Phoenix Freeshard

Could a /gvg flagged Group get a banner above theyre head? Since the new GVG rules were introduced and the strikes a happening I'm seeing a decreased list.
Something similar like /gc buybanner /gc summon but for /gvg. So basically /gvg summon....

just throwing it in here.

Tue 17 Nov 2020 3:04 AM by ExcretusMaximus

I think groups on the list should glow, but only to other groups on the list, that way it is unmistakable that you're about to slam into another GvG group.

Tue 17 Nov 2020 7:35 AM by Sepplord

What is the issue with just not slamming any fights at all when you are out looking for a fairfight?

how does slamming into fights of others help you in any way to find a fairfight VS another GvG-group?

Tue 17 Nov 2020 8:06 AM by ExcretusMaximus

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 17 Nov 2020 7:35 AM
What is the issue with just not slamming any fights at all when you are out looking for a fairfight?

how does slamming into fights of others help you in any way to find a fairfight VS another GvG-group?

It gets them easy realm points, duh.

For the record, all this "fair fight" GvG bullshit is exactly that as far as I'm concerned: Bullshit.

Tue 17 Nov 2020 12:57 PM by Stoertebecker

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 17 Nov 2020 7:35 AM
What is the issue with just not slamming any fights at all when you are out looking for a fairfight?

how does slamming into fights of others help you in any way to find a fairfight VS another GvG-group?

I understand why those groups getting added, i see the reasons each day

Tue 17 Nov 2020 1:19 PM by Sepplord

That implies the groups are identified and added on purpose (for whatever reasoning), so the glow would not help.

Needing a glow to prevent accidental slams of your friends group logically concludes that the baseline is "we add everyone, but a select few we don't want to add" instead of "we don't add anyone, but some groups that deserve it because they add us too".

Tue 17 Nov 2020 1:38 PM by Cadebrennus

Stoertebecker wrote: ↑
Tue 17 Nov 2020 12:57 PM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 17 Nov 2020 7:35 AM
What is the issue with just not slamming any fights at all when you are out looking for a fairfight?

how does slamming into fights of others help you in any way to find a fairfight VS another GvG-group?

I understand why those groups getting added, i see the reasons each day

Yes, they're constantly looking for "fair fights" and "no adds" by running around docks and bridges where soloers and smallmans are lol

Tue 17 Nov 2020 3:03 PM by Stoertebecker

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Tue 17 Nov 2020 1:38 PM
Stoertebecker wrote: ↑
Tue 17 Nov 2020 12:57 PM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Tue 17 Nov 2020 7:35 AM
What is the issue with just not slamming any fights at all when you are out looking for a fairfight?

how does slamming into fights of others help you in any way to find a fairfight VS another GvG-group?

I understand why those groups getting added, i see the reasons each day

Yes, they're constantly looking for "fair fights" and "no adds" by running around docks and bridges where soloers and smallmans are lol

That is exactly what i mean. My memory is excellent, i never forget names that have a negative touch like getting rolled by a fg as a solo player and i can be very resentful

If you wanna play fair, fine. Do it 24/7 and not twice an hour, do it from rr1 the way up to rr10 or whatever.

And no, i`m not always a fair player

Tue 17 Nov 2020 4:35 PM by keen

This is a no issue, grps know each other and in case an accident happens noone is gonna report you. It's a gentleman's agreement, since the penalties are just ridiculous. Lifetime 3 strike, back to middle age and wild wild West.

Tue 17 Nov 2020 5:03 PM by Kolja

Oh okay. So if ur a PUG and still wanna 8v8 and ur not that “known” to other players. Or maybe you are new and want still roam in a FG.
What I’m saying is that a flagged group should be visible marked so when 2 gVg fight each other.
I always have to do a riddle if the group is listed or not. Clicking every char to see maybe one name that you know. It’s simply hard to make out a group while so much trash is running around even like 1,5 groups fighting a full group so you can help your realm mates.
I mean I know it’s RVR and not GVG but give people that roam even in task zone a little chance that ur looking for a fight. And I don’t need that 1k extra rps.

And if you a visible Marked as /gvg other people think twice to jam this fight as non gvg listed group cause they know that they yell and kill together the other team or just retreat and let the team that fought maybe kill the jammed even if it’s the own realm.

People are just scared to enter a fight cause the chance getting strikes is pretty high if u don’t know the enemy’s.

Before the NEW gvg was introduced groups just roaming around and the 8v8s happens naturally. And you either had a fair fight or not. And if the fight was fair claim it. If not don’t. It happens when u fight a group that some other people are around. That’s the game.

Enough said. Hf killing people love the community that Phoenix brought up here.

Kind regards.

Tue 17 Nov 2020 6:05 PM by albionexile

Create an 8v8 instance, and while they're at it create a small man instances:
1-2
3-6
8 v 8

GvG has a lot of issues, gvg groups will add random fg, small mans and zergs etc but if it happens the other way round then the gvg groups pull off and kill adders. This will lead to sub par "gvg" groups not being able to compete in instances because they make their rps from mostly non gvg fights.

I've been in many gvg groups, and only one that I was in would respect small man and non gvg group fights

Wed 18 Nov 2020 6:03 AM by bigne88

8 men groups are not listing much anymore since the last gvg changes.
Nowdays, if a single arrow from a random adder is thrown during a listed 8v8, every player loses 10k ros each.

Since is full of noob archers around people got tired of heavy loss of rps every fight.

Wed 18 Nov 2020 7:30 AM by Sepplord

they only lose those RP when they falsely try to claim a GvG and noone noticed, and the last time statistics were posted the amount of punishments VS legitClaims was abysmally small

Not sure why the bonus isn't automatically given out though, if the system can detect the difference between a cleanfight and an added fight...
I am all for making it easier to get cleanfights for all groupsizes

Wed 18 Nov 2020 1:03 PM by keen

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Wed 18 Nov 2020 7:30 AM
they only lose those RP when they falsely try to claim a GvG and noone noticed, and the last time statistics were posted the amount of punishments VS legitClaims was abysmally small

Not sure why the bonus isn't automatically given out though, if the system can detect the difference between a cleanfight and an added fight...
I am all for making it easier to get cleanfights for all groupsizes

it is not automatized, it involves manual labour by the staff and has been checked and released once. The rule cannot be checked by the 8men, since you cannot see every little undyed lurikeen shooting and arrow once and stealthing again. hence it is always a gamble to claim a clean fight.
but right now the clean fight rule for adds is not enforced anyway, if the staff did enforce it on a regular basis there would be no more list.
they should make it an auto decline. the rule cannot capture events of flying in arrows mid fight. since as said 8men cannot check it themself if the opponent wants it to be undetected.

Fri 20 Nov 2020 11:05 AM by Freudinio

Kolja wrote: ↑
Tue 17 Nov 2020 2:56 AM
Could a /gvg flagged Group get a banner above theyre head? Since the new GVG rules were introduced and the strikes a happening I'm seeing a decreased list.
Something similar like /gc buybanner /gc summon but for /gvg. So basically /gvg summon....

just throwing it in here.

You're seeing a decrease in /gvg because most groups are busy farming soloers/smallmans in task zones while dodging eachother.

Fri 20 Nov 2020 5:45 PM by Cadebrennus

Freudinio wrote: ↑
Fri 20 Nov 2020 11:05 AM
Kolja wrote: ↑
Tue 17 Nov 2020 2:56 AM
Could a /gvg flagged Group get a banner above theyre head? Since the new GVG rules were introduced and the strikes a happening I'm seeing a decreased list.
Something similar like /gc buybanner /gc summon but for /gvg. So basically /gvg summon....

just throwing it in here.

You're seeing a decrease in /gvg because most groups are busy farming soloers/smallmans in task zones while dodging eachother.

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Fri 20 Nov 2020 5:49 PM by Cadebrennus

bigne88 wrote: ↑
Wed 18 Nov 2020 6:03 AM
8 men groups are not listing much anymore since the last gvg changes.
Nowdays, if a single arrow from a random adder is thrown during a listed 8v8, every player loses 10k ros each.

Since is full of noob archers around people got tired of heavy loss of rps every fight.

Sounds like the "noob archers" getting their just revenge for being run over by the so-called "honorable" 8mans every time the Archers unstealth. I play Visi solo a lot when I get a chance to play, and I get run over by "honorable" 8mans every time they spot me at clip range.

That penalty makes me want to add them regardless if I have a dog in the fight or not.

Sat 21 Nov 2020 12:36 PM by Noashakra

bigne88 wrote: ↑
Wed 18 Nov 2020 6:03 AM
8 men groups are not listing much anymore since the last gvg changes.
Nowdays, if a single arrow from a random adder is thrown during a listed 8v8, every player loses 10k ros each.

Since is full of noob archers around people got tired of heavy loss of rps every fight.

Maybe don't fight next to a flag or a TP. That's why you can know the gvg group locations, so you can go to an area with low traffic.

Sat 21 Nov 2020 1:15 PM by Cadebrennus

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Sat 21 Nov 2020 12:36 PM
bigne88 wrote: ↑
Wed 18 Nov 2020 6:03 AM
8 men groups are not listing much anymore since the last gvg changes.
Nowdays, if a single arrow from a random adder is thrown during a listed 8v8, every player loses 10k ros each.

Since is full of noob archers around people got tired of heavy loss of rps every fight.

Maybe don't fight next to a flag or a TP. That's why you can know the gvg group locations, so you can go to an area with low traffic.

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Sat 21 Nov 2020 3:27 PM by Sagz

You know all of this could be solved by the people who only want to GvG list. Go to EV when there is no task there, then go to another spot for the one time it is task ex. Briefine, Pennine, Jamtland. I mean isn't that was the 8v8 discord channel is really for? Not for finding out who has the most clever meme. Problem solved.

If no one shows up, then guess what, you get to run around in complaining about that then. There is really only a few groups out that respect each other anyway, and to that effect it is probably only a few people.

Half of the problem is running in a task zone, around flags, and complaining people add or not pulling off. Suck it up buttercup, you control the fight if you want a GvG only, not the other way around. The other half is that they believe the entire game, and all of its participants should follow that rule like it is a instanced battleground. I remember back in the day, you know when people added all the time, and you adapted not start yelling and crying. Its not like you lose anything when you die anyway but the time to rebuff. Hell half of the people that are so anal about it were like 5 years old tops when the game came out, so they do not know any better, and are looking for some street credit in a 20 year old custom free server. That is a laugh in itself.

By the way, I never seen any of these honorable 8 man GvG listers not add on solo's fighting or add on a small man fighting, then chase them down, even through a full zone, like they stole their lunch money.