PvE / PvP QoL: 2nd character of same class

Started 19 Nov 2020
by Gavster
in Suggestions
Hi all,

Off the wall idea here that I think could be a significant QoL improvement for PvE especially but also for PvP for some classes:
Upon reaching 50, if you already have a 50 of the same class, they now share their RP pool. (not split, both having full value and any RP gains now go to both).

Why do this:
Currently many classes have very different PvP spec's compared to PvE specs and it is expensive & inefficient to respec back and forth. Imagine a Spiritmaster you want to PvP with but also want to use for Darkspire. PvP spec is arguably only dark, and PvE spec is arguably only supp. So you cannot easily go back and forth between the 2 worlds. A shared RP pool for having 2 SM's would mean you could PvP on 1 and gain the benefits of rank on the other.

Many classes would benefit from this. Some would not because their PvP spec is close to the desired PvE spec. But even Druids, Clerics, Healers and others could potentially make a 2nd RvR toon of the same class to be a different spec for different RvR situations. You would still have to Level to 50, and either separately template the new 50 or swap over the template between toons each time. In other words, ofc items would not be duplicated in any way.

If it is possible, what do you think?
Thu 19 Nov 2020 7:32 PM by gotwqqd
So you just want to be able to change spec on the fly.
Thu 19 Nov 2020 7:41 PM by Kwall0311
All the champs would duplicate their toons, and sit at DC even longer having purge/ip/st/woc up , blow it on a fight, then switch over, rinse-repeat!

I guess a positive note for them would be more video footage of RA dumping stealthers!
Thu 19 Nov 2020 9:06 PM by Nephamael
I also created some duplicated toons for the reason described here - especially on support classes it is terribly annoying to rebuild 3+ bars everytime you respec... luckily DS/HoH dont require much from a druid, in comparison to a caster. I guess SMs are rly at the worst end of this :p
Fri 20 Nov 2020 6:25 PM by Gavster
Kwall0311 wrote: All the champs would duplicate their toons, and sit at DC even longer having purge/ip/st/woc up , blow it on a fight, then switch over, rinse-repeat!

I guess a positive note for them would be more video footage of RA dumping stealthers!

Interesting thought. And probably some truth to it. Would be a bit of work to move template over and such, but maybe a small number would abuse as RA refresh bots.
Fri 20 Nov 2020 6:38 PM by Gavster
gotwqqd wrote:
Thu 19 Nov 2020 7:32 PM
So you just want to be able to change spec on the fly.

In a lot of ways yes.

I'll admit It would be much easier to just have a 'stone of infinite respecs' character bound at some significant cost of either BP or Feathers, at least from an implementation standpoint. If this infinite respec stone was set to 'no-bank', it could truly be just for the 1 toon you want to respec constantly, and thus not break the RA respec stone market too much. So maybe that is a better alternative. The rebuilding of bars would get old, but its not the end of the world.

Though leveling to 50 is very much a DAoC pastime and community builder. So maybe incentivizing more of it, even when you have an existing toon of that class already, has some merit.

2 ways to skin a cat. I'd be keen on either.
Fri 20 Nov 2020 7:00 PM by Astaa
Cadebrennus wrote:
Thu 19 Nov 2020 10:21 PM


checks out.
Sat 21 Nov 2020 1:48 AM by Hedien
I cannot find a valid argument against this or an abuse.
But is this top priority? Probably not.

Sat/Faturday.
Sat 21 Nov 2020 5:15 AM by easytoremember
Hedien wrote:
Sat 21 Nov 2020 1:48 AM
I cannot find a valid argument against this or an abuse.
But is this top priority? Probably not.

Sat/Faturday.
There are a lot of ways to abuse this:

It gives you 'duplicate' characters to park wherever you please (DF or frontier xp locs for example)
You are able to swap between characters after dumping all active RAs (the higher your RR the greater ripples caused by this act)
Same as above, but more centric upon having the exact same RAs to avoid RUT (burn SOS, swap | vanish, switch, vanish, switch)

Just so you understand I had three shadowblades on Genesis dedicated to hunting XPers in DF. They did not share RP between themselves but two of them made RR6 off just that. Having multiple characters in reserve is a huge advantage and sharing RR between them makes it more severe for various pursuits
Sat 21 Nov 2020 8:20 AM by keen
Just make respecs free and let the ppl play how they need their chars at the moment. Morning solo, mid day small men/ds spec, evening zerg. Don't see why we need a respec barrier hindering playing your chars to the time limit you have right now and server population.
Sat 21 Nov 2020 12:39 PM by Hedien
easytoremember wrote:
Sat 21 Nov 2020 5:15 AM
You are able to swap between characters after dumping all active RAs (the higher your RR the greater ripples caused by this act)


Good point!
Sat 21 Nov 2020 4:30 PM by gotwqqd
keen wrote:
Sat 21 Nov 2020 8:20 AM
Just make respecs free and let the ppl play how they need their chars at the moment. Morning solo, mid day small men/ds spec, evening zerg. Don't see why we need a respec barrier hindering playing your chars to the time limit you have right now and server population.

No
Sat 21 Nov 2020 6:22 PM by ExcretusMaximus
keen wrote:
Sat 21 Nov 2020 8:20 AM
Just make respecs free and let the ppl play how they need their chars at the moment. Morning solo, mid day small men/ds spec, evening zerg. Don't see why we need a respec barrier hindering playing your chars to the time limit you have right now and server population.

It's called a money sink, and is necessary in any static game.
Sun 22 Nov 2020 4:08 PM by keen
ExcretusMaximus wrote:
Sat 21 Nov 2020 6:22 PM
keen wrote:
Sat 21 Nov 2020 8:20 AM
Just make respecs free and let the ppl play how they need their chars at the moment. Morning solo, mid day small men/ds spec, evening zerg. Don't see why we need a respec barrier hindering playing your chars to the time limit you have right now and server population.

It's called a money sink, and is necessary in any static game.
How is that a money sink? The plat for buying feathers is not out of the game, just someone else has it. It's not a money sink.
Sun 22 Nov 2020 4:33 PM by Sagz
Gavster wrote:
Thu 19 Nov 2020 7:05 PM
Hi all,

Off the wall idea here that I think could be a significant QoL improvement for PvE especially but also for PvP for some classes:
Upon reaching 50, if you already have a 50 of the same class, they now share their RP pool. (not split, both having full value and any RP gains now go to both).

Why do this:
Currently many classes have very different PvP spec's compared to PvE specs and it is expensive & inefficient to respec back and forth. Imagine a Spiritmaster you want to PvP with but also want to use for Darkspire. PvP spec is arguably only dark, and PvE spec is arguably only supp. So you cannot easily go back and forth between the 2 worlds. A shared RP pool for having 2 SM's would mean you could PvP on 1 and gain the benefits of rank on the other.

Many classes would benefit from this. Some would not because their PvP spec is close to the desired PvE spec. But even Druids, Clerics, Healers and others could potentially make a 2nd RvR toon of the same class to be a different spec for different RvR situations. You would still have to Level to 50, and either separately template the new 50 or swap over the template between toons each time. In other words, ofc items would not be duplicated in any way.

If it is possible, what do you think?

OR......

You can not be lazy and just save your config file so you don't have to reset bars and just replace the files depending on which spec you decide to change to.

welcome to 20 years ago, glad you made it.
Sun 22 Nov 2020 4:45 PM by gotwqqd
keen wrote:
Sun 22 Nov 2020 4:08 PM
ExcretusMaximus wrote:
Sat 21 Nov 2020 6:22 PM
keen wrote:
Sat 21 Nov 2020 8:20 AM
Just make respecs free and let the ppl play how they need their chars at the moment. Morning solo, mid day small men/ds spec, evening zerg. Don't see why we need a respec barrier hindering playing your chars to the time limit you have right now and server population.

It's called a money sink, and is necessary in any static game.
How is that a money sink? The plat for buying feathers is not out of the game, just someone else has it. It's not a money sink.
Feathers = money
You buy respec with feathers
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