1 min pvp immunity timer Zoning in or out of PoC and SH.

Thats it thats the whole suggestion.

Sun 8 Nov 2020 8:13 PM by Patron

I second that, was rly unfair the whole bg get killed by 12 man which waiting for us at zonepoint!
Greetz

Sun 8 Nov 2020 9:26 PM by Beeblebrox

Definitely need some kind of timer here.

Sun 8 Nov 2020 10:33 PM by Solicfear

I agree with this or guards that attack you if u stay around the SH entrance for to long. Live has implemented this on their server and stops bomb groups from camping people zoning in. There is literally nothing you can do once u zoned in cus once u've zoned in, its instant death. This raid was over before it even began because there was no way of entering SH.

Sadly this is an event I will not share in the public channels and it's likely I wont schedule them in public anymore as players are taking advantage.

This is the video evidence of instant death zoning into Summoners Hall.
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/796406633

Sun 8 Nov 2020 10:59 PM by Patron

Awesome you fraps the zoning! This should help us to bring the staff to the right decision.

And i think every mid which is part of the xrealmer, should loose 3 RR for xrealming, except they present the spy. The spy should get permabanned!

Its a rule here!

Oh and important to know: the raid got ranted from players which want to do rvr and protect the relics and in times of missing realmpride, its very easy to tell other buddys from enemy realms whats going on. Shame on you dirty spy, i hope you get what u deserve

Sun 8 Nov 2020 11:34 PM by ExcretusMaximus

They originally had the timer, then they removed it because of people crying about campers; now you want them to reimplement it because of ... campers.

Mon 9 Nov 2020 12:06 AM by Kurbsen

so the raid leader posted the time and date of when a frontier pve raid was gonna happen... and doesnt expect there to be enemies waiting upon arrival? lol wat... if only you woulda sent one person to zone in first to check if it was clear ^^, if it wasnt then just go thru another entrance lol

Mon 9 Nov 2020 12:09 AM by Solicfear

ExcretusMaximus wrote: ↑
Sun 8 Nov 2020 11:34 PM
They originally had the timer, then they removed it because of people crying about campers; now you want them to reimplement it because of ... campers.

Sorry Maximus, I don't understand your argument.

They added a timer but removed it because of people crying about campers???? Please elaborate.

This is a discussion about putting an immunity at the entrance of SH so we don't get instantly wiped when zoning in. I believe they have guards at the enterance of PoC to stop camping there which I believe they could add to SH so we don't have people exploiting those area's.

Mon 9 Nov 2020 12:12 AM by SinfulByNature

Kurbsen wrote: ↑
Mon 9 Nov 2020 12:06 AM
so the raid leader posted the time and date of when a frontier pve raid was gonna happen... and doesnt expect there to be enemies waiting upon arrival? lol wat... if only you woulda sent one person to zone in first to check if it was clear ^^, if it wasnt then just go thru another entrance lol

You do realize SH only has one entrance. There is no other entrance.

Mon 9 Nov 2020 12:13 AM by Solicfear

Kurbsen wrote: ↑
Mon 9 Nov 2020 12:06 AM
so the raid leader posted the time and date of when a frontier pve raid was gonna happen... and doesnt expect there to be enemies waiting upon arrival? lol wat... if only you woulda sent one person to zone in first to check if it was clear ^^, if it wasnt then just go thru another entrance lol

There is only 1 way to get to SH and that was being camped by mids.

If you are thinking of PoC then yes ofc i would of gone to another entrance but because there is only ONE entrance to SH I had no other choice but to try or cancel the whole raid.

And to reply about scheduling raids, it wont happen anymore as Mids took advantage of it.

Mon 9 Nov 2020 7:31 AM by Patron

Kurbsen seem like a new player and so are your arguing.
To be very clear, the problem is the abusive xrealmer, not the missing reconnaissance.
Scared Potter? How much rps u did?

@excretusMax...
Your arguing is not right...
Only Animistshrooms have the zone in delay...
Ofc, because its Hib, the nerfed realm!

We want a complete zone in rvr immunity !
And we will get it!

Mon 9 Nov 2020 7:45 AM by ExcretusMaximus

Solicfear wrote: ↑
Mon 9 Nov 2020 12:09 AM
ExcretusMaximus wrote: ↑
Sun 8 Nov 2020 11:34 PM
They originally had the timer, then they removed it because of people crying about campers; now you want them to reimplement it because of ... campers.

Sorry Maximus, I don't understand your argument.

They added a timer but removed it because of people crying about campers???? Please elaborate.

This is a discussion about putting an immunity at the entrance of SH so we don't get instantly wiped when zoning in. I believe they have guards at the enterance of PoC to stop camping there which I believe they could add to SH so we don't have people exploiting those area's.

It wasn't an argument, but a statement of fact.

When we first switched to New Frontiers, there was an immunity timer, but people started to abuse that timer by jumping in and out of PoC to avoid getting killed. Response? The player base screamed about PoC campers "ruining the game" so the devs took away the immunity and added the guardians.

Now it's a bunch of people screaming about the lack of immunity timers "ruining the game" and they want it reverted to the original system.

Phoenix devs literally cannot win.

Mon 9 Nov 2020 7:50 AM by

Uthred

Solicfear wrote: ↑
Mon 9 Nov 2020 12:09 AM
ExcretusMaximus wrote: ↑
Sun 8 Nov 2020 11:34 PM
They originally had the timer, then they removed it because of people crying about campers; now you want them to reimplement it because of ... campers.

Sorry Maximus, I don't understand your argument.

They added a timer but removed it because of people crying about campers???? Please elaborate.

This is a discussion about putting an immunity at the entrance of SH so we don't get instantly wiped when zoning in. I believe they have guards at the enterance of PoC to stop camping there which I believe they could add to SH so we don't have people exploiting those area's.

It is not that easy to implement. You cant just put in an immunity at certain places like SH entrance for example. We had before a general timer, that a player could not be attacked for a certain amount of time after logging into the game. This was abused by classes (of all realms) that were logging into the keeplord room while a huge zerg was in there, raiding it. Throwing a twf/maelstorm and wipe whole zergs this way.

After the removal, the campers (from all realms) found the poc entrance as their new playground and started camping there and farming people while zoning in. So we implemented the "move or die"-areas right at the entrance of the poc. But that made the campers (from all realms) move a little further and waiting there for the players to kill them. So we put in the poc guardians, which are high level but neutral and reduced camping to a minimum. But increased the complains of pve groups that accidentaly pulled them while xping there.

As you can see, it is not that easy to just implement a timer there as it may offers new options. SH has never been a problem since yesterday. To make one thing pretty clear: it is not an abuse or x-realming if the players only had the public infos from our discord channel. Else we had to ban any raid on keeps/relics while an epic dungeon/dragon raid was announced and is going on. If they had players that were logged in to Albion and were reading the bg chat and/or doing /who to get the location of the BG and gave those infos to them, that would have been a bannable reason. But we need a solid proof for that and not just accusations.

Long story short, we will have an internal discussion about that topic but im really not sure if we will change a thing. For now my advice would be as already mentioned by someone else before: one player should port in before the zerg and check if the entrance is free from enemies.

Mon 9 Nov 2020 8:23 AM by Solicfear

Uthred wrote: ↑
Mon 9 Nov 2020 7:50 AM
Solicfear wrote: ↑
Mon 9 Nov 2020 12:09 AM
ExcretusMaximus wrote: ↑
Sun 8 Nov 2020 11:34 PM
They originally had the timer, then they removed it because of people crying about campers; now you want them to reimplement it because of ... campers.

Sorry Maximus, I don't understand your argument.

They added a timer but removed it because of people crying about campers???? Please elaborate.

This is a discussion about putting an immunity at the entrance of SH so we don't get instantly wiped when zoning in. I believe they have guards at the enterance of PoC to stop camping there which I believe they could add to SH so we don't have people exploiting those area's.

It is not that easy to implement. You cant just put in an immunity at certain places like SH entrance for example. We had before a general timer, that a player could not be attacked for a certain amount of time after logging into the game. This was abused by classes (of all realms) that were logging into the keeplord room while a huge zerg was in there, raiding it. Throwing a twf/maelstorm and wipe whole zergs this way.

After the removal, the campers (from all realms) found the poc entrance as their new playground and started camping there and farming people while zoning in. So we implemented the "move or die"-areas right at the entrance of the poc. But that made the campers (from all realms) move a little further and waiting there for the players to kill them. So we put in the poc guardians, which are high level but neutral and reduced camping to a minimum. But increased the complains of pve groups that accidentaly pulled them while xping there.

As you can see, it is not that easy to just implement a timer there as it may offers new options. SH has never been a problem since yesterday. To make one thing pretty clear: it is not an abuse or x-realming if the players only had the public infos from our discord channel. Else we had to ban any raid on keeps/relics while an epic dungeon/dragon raid was announced and is going on. If they had players that were logged in to Albion and were reading the bg chat and/or doing /who to get the location of the BG and gave those infos to them, that would have been a bannable reason. But we need a solid proof for that and not just accusations.

Long story short, we will have an internal discussion about that topic but im really not sure if we will change a thing. For now my advice would be as already mentioned by someone else before: one player should port in before the zerg and check if the entrance is free from enemies.

Live does have a dmg timer if you stand by the entrance to long in Summoners Hall.

We actually did have one person run in and didn't really do much. Whatever we did we wouldn't of got into SH that day because Mids blatantly were waiting for us. Even if we went to do beastmaster or something they were waiting for us. There is no other way of getting in or out of SH so it was just a none starter.

As you said Uthred best not to post this on DAoC phoenix discord as it's a place for players to take advantage on other realms. I appreciate your efforts trying to help us bg leaders advertise our raids but its kind of backfired on us yesterday and was a huge mistake for me to advertise it.

Players will just have to find out 10-20 minutes before the raid begins. It's sad I have to do it this way cus a lot of players liked the raids scheduled so they can organise there day around it but I'm not taking risks for players to take advantage of a situation and get rewarded for it.

Mon 9 Nov 2020 8:37 AM by Patron

Thx for response Uthred.

Mon 9 Nov 2020 8:44 AM by Sepplord

Solicfear wrote: ↑
Mon 9 Nov 2020 8:23 AM
As you said Uthred best not to post this on DAoC phoenix discord as it's a place for players to take advantage on other realms. I appreciate your efforts trying to help us bg leaders advertise our raids but its kind of backfired on us yesterday and was a huge mistake for me to advertise it.

If they were reacting to plan changes and always awaiting you, then they surely couldn't have been relying on official discount advertisement you did before the raid.

Crossrealming is insanely hard to prove, unless one of the people doing it admits to it. If proof of outside/thirdparty tool communication is the requirement needed to get someone investigated for it, it will never happen

Mon 9 Nov 2020 9:22 AM by Solicfear

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 9 Nov 2020 8:44 AM
Solicfear wrote: ↑
Mon 9 Nov 2020 8:23 AM
As you said Uthred best not to post this on DAoC phoenix discord as it's a place for players to take advantage on other realms. I appreciate your efforts trying to help us bg leaders advertise our raids but its kind of backfired on us yesterday and was a huge mistake for me to advertise it.

If they were reacting to plan changes and always awaiting you, then they surely couldn't have been relying on official discount advertisement you did before the raid.

Crossrealming is insanely hard to prove, unless one of the people doing it admits to it. If proof of outside/thirdparty tool communication is the requirement needed to get someone investigated for it, it will never happen

I got info that they were waiting there from the beginning of my Legion raid cus Hibs got killed at the entrance while we were in Darkness Falls. Anyhow, there has been other situations where Ive planned a raid and other realms have used info on Phoenix discord to plan relic raids. Luckily, Albs had enough to stop hibs from doing so but there has been previous occasions where I've ran a Sidi/Dragon raid where hibs/mids took advantage on scheduled raids put in Phoenix discord.

It's probably best from now on not to plan raids and do it 'spur-of-the-moments' type of event which I plan to possibly do for future events.

Mon 9 Nov 2020 9:35 AM by Sepplord

Solicfear wrote: ↑
Mon 9 Nov 2020 9:22 AM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 9 Nov 2020 8:44 AM
Solicfear wrote: ↑
Mon 9 Nov 2020 8:23 AM
As you said Uthred best not to post this on DAoC phoenix discord as it's a place for players to take advantage on other realms. I appreciate your efforts trying to help us bg leaders advertise our raids but its kind of backfired on us yesterday and was a huge mistake for me to advertise it.

If they were reacting to plan changes and always awaiting you, then they surely couldn't have been relying on official discount advertisement you did before the raid.

Crossrealming is insanely hard to prove, unless one of the people doing it admits to it. If proof of outside/thirdparty tool communication is the requirement needed to get someone investigated for it, it will never happen

I got info that they were waiting there from the beginning of my Legion raid cus Hibs got killed at the entrance while we were in Darkness Falls. Anyhow, there has been other situations where Ive planned a raid and other realms have used info on Phoenix discord to plan relic raids. Luckily, Albs had enough to stop hibs from doing so but there has been previous occasions where I've ran a Sidi/Dragon raid where hibs/mids took advantage on scheduled raids put in Phoenix discord.

It's probably best from now on not to plan raids and do it 'spur-of-the-moments' type of event which I plan to possibly do for future events.

ah okay, thanks for clearing that up. It sounded as if you went to beastmaster when you couldn't get inside SH and they were there before you.

Mon 9 Nov 2020 9:39 AM by

Uthred

It is not only discord. Any player can just easily see that for epic dungeon raids by using the ig options. Just do /u and you see how many players of each realm are in the frontiers atm. Then check for the feather bonus. If one realm has a lot less players in the frontiers than the other two (while having more or less the same amount of total players) and a 0% feather bonus, then they are most likely doing an epic dungeon raid. No need to x-realm at all.