Before the fix, minstrels would just release their pets and that would cure the mez. Then a fix was put in for that and they gave minstrels something extra (I forget) to soften this nerf. Well when you mez the pet, the minstrel will just release it, then attack it and recharm it, so basically we are back to where we were before. An unCCable minstrel and pet. Or am I missing something?
I Thought Mistrels Releasing Pets Was fixed?
Started 5 Nov 2020
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Roto23
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Thu 5 Nov 2020 8:13 PM
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Catkain
So the difference is that they have to hit it once to remove the cc. I am not sure if that was intended with the nerf, but yeah it seems silly still that they get this form of “immunity” to some forms of cc.
Thu 5 Nov 2020 8:30 PM
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Noashakra
No we aren't, the ministrel can't release the pet to remove the cc on the pet and on himself, he has to purge.
Thu 5 Nov 2020 9:04 PM
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Roto23
I think you misunderstand the situation. Only the pet is mezzed, not the minstrel, so no need to purge. So the minstrel releases the Pet so he can attack it to break the mez.Noashakra wrote: ↑Thu 5 Nov 2020 8:30 PMNo we aren't, the ministrel can't release the pet to remove the cc on the pet and on himself, he has to purge.
or are you saying something else?
Thu 5 Nov 2020 9:05 PM
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Catkain
I genuinely don’t know how it works. So to break the cc on the minstrel, he cannot release the pet so it will attack him?
And to break the cc on the pet, he must hit it, but just releasing it will no longer break the cc?
And to break the cc on the pet, he must hit it, but just releasing it will no longer break the cc?
Thu 5 Nov 2020 9:22 PM
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gruenesschaf
gruenesschaf
Original:
Pulse charmed pets when no longer charmed (released, resists in a row etc.) clear all mezzes and all non ra snares on the pet itself.
The released pet also has its aggro table cleared and about 200 aggro added to the previous owner. Causing the previous pet to attack its former owner.
When releasing it by clicking release the charm pulse keeps running causing you to gain control again on the next non resisted tick.
Additionally you can spam charm many times per second.
After all the changes for the minstrel:
Pulse charmed pets when no longer charmed (released, resists in a row etc.) no longer clear any debuffs on the pet itself.
The released pet has its aggro table cleared and about 200 aggro added to the previous owner. Causing the previous pet to attack its former owner.
When releasing it by clicking release the charm pulse will also be cancelled requiring the minstrel to charm again
Charm has a cooldown.
No longer clearing the debuffs on the pet after it has been released is how you can now actually lock down a minstrel a bit by ccing both. However, as soon as the minstrel is out it can free the pet and as soon as the pet is out it will attack the minstrel, this can be avoided by taunting the pet once or twice while it is no longer charmed and is running towards the minstrel.
The menta pulse charm pretty much still works as in the original.
Pulse charmed pets when no longer charmed (released, resists in a row etc.) clear all mezzes and all non ra snares on the pet itself.
The released pet also has its aggro table cleared and about 200 aggro added to the previous owner. Causing the previous pet to attack its former owner.
When releasing it by clicking release the charm pulse keeps running causing you to gain control again on the next non resisted tick.
Additionally you can spam charm many times per second.
After all the changes for the minstrel:
Pulse charmed pets when no longer charmed (released, resists in a row etc.) no longer clear any debuffs on the pet itself.
The released pet has its aggro table cleared and about 200 aggro added to the previous owner. Causing the previous pet to attack its former owner.
When releasing it by clicking release the charm pulse will also be cancelled requiring the minstrel to charm again
Charm has a cooldown.
No longer clearing the debuffs on the pet after it has been released is how you can now actually lock down a minstrel a bit by ccing both. However, as soon as the minstrel is out it can free the pet and as soon as the pet is out it will attack the minstrel, this can be avoided by taunting the pet once or twice while it is no longer charmed and is running towards the minstrel.
The menta pulse charm pretty much still works as in the original.
Thu 5 Nov 2020 11:28 PM
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Roto23
After reading your explaniation I still dont understand how the minstrel can recharm a mezzed pet when the "nerf" was to prevent that. From my point of view cc both is only possible if you have ae mezz or ae root?
Thu 5 Nov 2020 11:57 PM
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ExcretusMaximus
Roto23 wrote: ↑Thu 5 Nov 2020 11:28 PMAfter reading your explaniation I still dont understand how the minstrel can recharm a mezzed pet when the "nerf" was to prevent that. From my point of view cc both is only possible if you have ae mezz or ae root?
Only a shitty Minstrel keeps his pet beside him all the time; if you're able to tag both with one CC spell, something is terribly wrong, or you caught him by surprise.
Fri 6 Nov 2020 12:10 AM
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Roto23
Honestly, I think everyone is missing my point. So I must have done a bad way of explaining.
I thought the change to Minstrels was to prevent them from unmezzing or unRooting or unsnaring them. But I don't see that at all. I mezz the pets and the minstrel must be clickng release and then I see him hit the pet once and recharm the pet and put the pet back on me. They also recharm in about 1 second, so I don't know about this charm timer.
I thought the change to Minstrels was to prevent them from unmezzing or unRooting or unsnaring them. But I don't see that at all. I mezz the pets and the minstrel must be clickng release and then I see him hit the pet once and recharm the pet and put the pet back on me. They also recharm in about 1 second, so I don't know about this charm timer.
Fri 6 Nov 2020 6:36 AM
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Sepplord
What's hard to understand about gruenes explanation?
Do you need someone to spell it out? Here you go: what you thought was incorrect
The goal of the change was to not let a minstrel demezz itself AND the pet. If you get them both CCed the minstrel can only purge just like before.
The minstrel also cannot clear snares from the pet by releasing and recharming
Additionally the CC-break mechanics that are still possible require more effort by the minstrel
Anti CC-management was NOT completely taken out though
Do you need someone to spell it out? Here you go: what you thought was incorrect
The goal of the change was to not let a minstrel demezz itself AND the pet. If you get them both CCed the minstrel can only purge just like before.
The minstrel also cannot clear snares from the pet by releasing and recharming
Additionally the CC-break mechanics that are still possible require more effort by the minstrel
Anti CC-management was NOT completely taken out though
Fri 6 Nov 2020 12:06 PM
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Roto23
Thank you, Thats a much better explanation. You didn't have to be so rude about it though. So it really wasn't a nerf and I think Minstrels got some lovin from that change also. But I don't play a minstrel. Something about less twisting, dunno for sure. Minstrels still clear snares they just have one extra step inbetween what you said... release, wack, recharm. They shouldn't be able to recharm a pet they physically attack. So you need AE mezz. AE roots won't work becuase all the minstrel has to do is release his pet and the pet will break his root. Actually you would probably need insta AE mezz as you cast able mezz won't be quicker then his insta stun.Sepplord wrote: ↑Fri 6 Nov 2020 6:36 AMWhat's hard to understand about gruenes explanation?
Do you need someone to spell it out? Here you go: what you thought was incorrect
The goal of the change was to not let a minstrel demezz itself AND the pet. If you get them both CCed the minstrel can only purge just like before.
The minstrel also cannot clear snares from the pet by releasing and recharming
Additionally the CC-break mechanics that are still possible require more effort by the minstrel
Anti CC-management was NOT completely taken out though
Fri 6 Nov 2020 12:34 PM
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Sepplord
I really don't know how to respond after that.
Just want to add, my explanantion is a summarized short version of gruenes pretty detailed description of how it worked before and after.
It must be pretty frustrating that they give detailed explanantions and then someone saying my bland rant summarization is better, while apparently still not being able to grasp the implications of the change and claiming it wasn't a nerf...ffs it was spelled out multiple times now
Fri 6 Nov 2020 1:23 PM
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Uthred
Uthred
No insults pls @roto23.
The question was answered, no need for insulting others. Sorry that you dont understand that it was a nerf.
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The question was answered, no need for insulting others. Sorry that you dont understand that it was a nerf.
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