Make heavies heavy. - Phoenix Freeshard

As it is now, heavies (except arms) are practically equal or less to light tanks and hybrids in survivability. The only difference is that heavies don't have any tools, again except for arms "snapshot".

What this means is that heavies are the least favorable melee class to make because they're practically the worst. And on a caster dominated server, they aren't exactly popular in groups either. This is however, a secondary issue.
I realize this isn't live but they made the changes to heavies and there's a reason those changes are still there, its because they worked.

Fury, bonus hp, or bonus resists, style revamp, lw2, higher base stats etc.. I don't really give a damn.
Please just make heavies live up to their name.

Sun 1 Nov 2020 3:27 PM by gromet12

Xlite wrote: ↑
Sun 1 Nov 2020 1:33 PM
As it is now, heavies (except arms) are practically equal or less to light tanks and hybrids in survivability. The only difference is that heavies don't have any tools, again except for arms "snapshot".

What this means is that heavies are the least favorable melee class to make because they're practically the worst. And on a caster dominated server, they aren't exactly popular in groups either. This is however, a secondary issue.
I realize this isn't live but they made the changes to heavies and there's a reason those changes are still there, its because they worked.

Fury, bonus hp, or bonus resists, style revamp, lw2, higher base stats etc.. I don't really give a damn.
Please just make heavies live up to their name.

You mean they shouldn't be able to move around because so "heavy"? This way they don't waste time moving away from the portal towns, of course, people need ram bodies, and they do that nicely

Sun 1 Nov 2020 11:59 PM by Noashakra

Do we play the same game ? Hero Warrior and armsman go in almost all the set ups.
alb caster groups and hib caster all want an heavy thank that can peel and survive. In the mid tank assist, they bring the slam. How are they not wanted?

Mon 2 Nov 2020 9:25 AM by Xlite

Noashakra wrote: Do we play the same game ? Hero Warrior and armsman go in almost all the set ups.
alb caster groups and hib caster all want an heavy thank that can peel and survive. In the mid tank assist, they bring the slam. How are they not wanted?

There's nothing a heavy tank can do that a light tank or hybrid can't. If you want slam, invite a thane. Much more utility than a warrior.
Which brings me back to my original point, heavies needs love.

Mon 2 Nov 2020 10:50 AM by Sepplord

Xlite wrote: ↑
Mon 2 Nov 2020 9:25 AM
Noashakra wrote: Do we play the same game ? Hero Warrior and armsman go in almost all the set ups.
alb caster groups and hib caster all want an heavy thank that can peel and survive. In the mid tank assist, they bring the slam. How are they not wanted?

There's nothing a heavy tank can do that a light tank or hybrid can't. If you want slam, invite a thane. Much more utility than a warrior.
Which brings me back to my original point, heavies needs love.

Soldiers Barricade
Dashing Defense
aren't to be underestimated

Mon 2 Nov 2020 11:30 AM by inoeth

Det9+stoic+slam+SB++DD

Mon 2 Nov 2020 12:31 PM by raglour00

It s true,
Tanks are weak, need LW2, need more resist for the 34 tanks of DAOC (Hero, Warrior, Armsman)

Slam all shield have slam 9 secondes
REsist same of all melee attack

SB cost a lot of points.

Maybe put 10% resist magic basic ?
Maybe put 10% Max HP ?
LW 2

I play Hero, it s hard to have end for slam, it s hard when 50% debuff.

A tank must be TANK (better resistances between all another class)

Mon 2 Nov 2020 1:30 PM by Bradekes

I think instead of this archer nerf they should have tried to add something to tanks to help mitigate the issue and improve a class instead of nerf. I think they should add Guard 2 to 50 shields which allows the tank to guard a second group member. Would of been a lot cooler idea than unflavorless damage table reduction.

Tue 3 Nov 2020 4:54 AM by Ceen

Xlite wrote: ↑
Mon 2 Nov 2020 9:25 AM
Noashakra wrote: Do we play the same game ? Hero Warrior and armsman go in almost all the set ups.
alb caster groups and hib caster all want an heavy thank that can peel and survive. In the mid tank assist, they bring the slam. How are they not wanted?

There's nothing a heavy tank can do that a light tank or hybrid can't. If you want slam, invite a thane. Much more utility than a warrior.

Made my day

Thu 5 Nov 2020 7:33 PM by opossum12

If only heavy tanks had really strong group RAs that light tanks didn't have...

Thu 5 Nov 2020 11:58 PM by ExcretusMaximus

opossum12 wrote: ↑
Thu 5 Nov 2020 7:33 PM
If only heavy tanks had really strong group RAs that light tanks didn't have...

Yeah, it's too bad they don't have something like an ability to block and parry for the entire group, or even something like a percentage damage reduction. That would really help them find spots in groups, I think...

Sat 7 Nov 2020 1:12 PM by Xlite

ExcretusMaximus wrote:
opossum12 wrote: ↑
Thu 5 Nov 2020 7:33 PM
If only heavy tanks had really strong group RAs that light tanks didn't have...

Yeah, it's too bad they don't have something like an ability to block and parry for the entire group, or even something like a percentage damage reduction. That would really help them find spots in groups, I think...

Yes, because dashing defense is extremely useful on a server dominated by caster grps.
/facepalm

You guys talk as if everyone automatically gets 60 realm skill points to use. This is false.
Most players are stuck soloing or puggin if they are lucky enough to get invited. I don't quite think you understand how much time it can take a random nobody to reach rr 6 on a server like this. Knowing people makes a difference, but not everyone does.

Playing with a gg and playing with pugs are two very different things. I suspect you both are unfamiliar with this because you talk as if all you do is gg.
Well good for you, but that makes your points even more invalid. You're surfing the top of the waves having no idea what's going on down bellow.

If its so easy, roll a hero, go rvr, don't ask your crew for help. Just pug it or solo it and then we can see how long its gonna be before you start making excuses.

Do you people even play the game, or just enjoy trolling threads with sarcastic comments that an 11 year old coulda made?

Sat 7 Nov 2020 5:48 PM by opossum12

Well you started your first post by "heavies don't haveany tools" which is not the case.

They have great group oriented tools. If you smallman hybrids will always be better than heavies. Doesn't warrant a drastic change, some classes perform better in specific situations.

Go have a Snickers.

Sat 7 Nov 2020 9:06 PM by ExcretusMaximus

opossum12 wrote: ↑
Sat 7 Nov 2020 5:48 PM
Well you started your first post by "heavies don't haveany tools" which is not the case.

Exactly.

If you want to discuss how they lack tools in a PUG and therefore aren't picked by PUGs, then don't start your argument with a blanket statement like you did. They have plenty of tools, and are a must-have in any set group (with the possible exception of the Albion 5 body cheese group). Not having any tools, and not having tools desirable to random groups made up of 1 support, 3 casters, 1 hybrid, 1 tank, and 2 stealth are two completely different issues.