Bradekes wrote: ↑Wed 23 Sep 2020 8:03 PMHow exactly is nat druid better than smite cleric? It has like no utility
Bradekes wrote: ↑Wed 23 Sep 2020 11:16 PMSo you're saying having 3 root spells a dot and a level 36 pet is better than 9 second stun and legit damage nuke? Come on lol smite cleric = hib caster utility -QC
Corkster wrote: ↑Wed 23 Sep 2020 11:43 PMFrom my experience, that isn't the case. Ive got a 6l5 nature druid and I think he out performs what Ive seen of smite playing a cleric.
Even just increasing the radius of the insta mez and insta DD would help.
The problem with the mez and DD are, the enemy has to have there nose between your butt cheeks to even get hit by it. I guess if you accidentally sit on a stealth-ed lurikeen...
I do agree, the pet on the druid could use some help. (lowest level pet in the game and sticks out like a sore thumb).
Bradekes wrote: ↑Wed 23 Sep 2020 11:16 PM
So you're saying having 3 root spells a dot and a level 36 pet is better than 9 second stun and legit damage nuke? Come on lol smite cleric = hib caster utility -QC
teiloh wrote: ↑Thu 22 Oct 2020 3:28 AMAre you on crack? Smite's DPS is garbage, not even half a Hib caster's after rising dex, delve, base crit and acuity buff are counted.
Sepplord wrote: ↑Thu 22 Oct 2020 7:40 AMteiloh wrote: ↑Thu 22 Oct 2020 3:28 AMAre you on crack? Smite's DPS is garbage, not even half a Hib caster's after rising dex, delve, base crit and acuity buff are counted.
Reading comprehension 101...
he never said anything about cleric DPS being similar to a casters DPS
I think full smite can be compared to mentalistNoashakra wrote: ↑Thu 22 Oct 2020 8:05 AMSepplord wrote: ↑Thu 22 Oct 2020 7:40 AMteiloh wrote: ↑Thu 22 Oct 2020 3:28 AMAre you on crack? Smite's DPS is garbage, not even half a Hib caster's after rising dex, delve, base crit and acuity buff are counted.
Reading comprehension 101...
he never said anything about cleric DPS being similar to a casters DPS
It's teiloh, ignore him. He will soon tell your that ministrels are bottom of the barrel in term of power.
Alb smite is weaker than nature, but you have to take the realm as a whole, you can't compare lines to each other.
Alb already has the ae amnesia on the sorc, which can reach 370+ dex and ae mez at 1850 range, and many pet classes that are hard to deal with or cc (theu, red pets, etc).
Buffing the cleric interupt capacity would be bananas.
Noashakra wrote: ↑Thu 22 Oct 2020 8:05 AMAlb smite is weaker than nature, but you have to take the realm as a whole, you can't compare lines to each other.
Alb already has the ae amnesia on the sorc, which can reach 370+ dex and ae mez at 1850 range, and many pet classes that are hard to deal with or cc (theu, red pets, etc).
Buffing the cleric interupt capacity would be bananas.
Bradekes wrote: ↑Wed 23 Sep 2020 11:31 PM
4 forms of root isn't utility it's the same CC 4 different waysthat give snare immunity. 1 none baseline single target dot spell isn't damage. Level 36 pet is situationally decent at best for interrupt.
You have 2 forms of cc, An aoe dmg(which is better interrupt than green pet), good single target dmg, instant stealth popper, and on demand stun.. smite>nature any day.. sure maybe give smite cleric instant stun on long reuse.
But nature druid needs more love than smite cleric hands down
Cleric, Smite Cleric even, doesn't have the speed or payload of baseline stunnuker. Apart from the stun itself being much slower to land, the Cleric can't get as many casts into the stun duration. The slow cast speed is a given but they originally were able to receive Acuity buffsBradekes wrote: ↑Thu 24 Sep 2020 12:05 AMOne thing I think that maybe makes cleric seem less effective is hib has baseline stun on casters so baseline stun on cleric doesn't stand out as much as I think it should for the comparison.
teiloh wrote: ↑Fri 23 Oct 2020 9:26 PMNoashakra wrote: ↑Thu 22 Oct 2020 8:05 AMAlb smite is weaker than nature, but you have to take the realm as a whole, you can't compare lines to each other.
Alb already has the ae amnesia on the sorc, which can reach 370+ dex and ae mez at 1850 range, and many pet classes that are hard to deal with or cc (theu, red pets, etc).
Buffing the cleric interupt capacity would be bananas.
Aren't you some rr3 Ranger scrub? Why are you talking about GvG? A Sorc doesn't have the luxury of fingering his asshole with amnesia all day. Mid always has at least two people who can do it, one that doesn't have to worry about hitting CCs on Inc.
And at Speed 5, you can easily close the gap to a Sorc and CC over their cast mez. If a Sorc mezzes you on inc you got outplayed, hard. Sorcs stand out as remezzers and blanket interrupts vs larger numbers, but Alb has the worst on-inc CC.
Noashakra wrote: ↑Sat 24 Oct 2020 7:10 AMHow do they have the worst CC?
Bard iamnesia is 2000 range, and imez and mez is 1500. With 370+dex, the sorcer just has to cast twice his mez following the amnesia and it's over. Many alb caster group play with two sorcerer on top.
Yeah sorcer can't do amnesia all day long... What about healers? Do you think they can do it too? They have to heal and interupt.
Why are you still speaking about a game you don't play, everyone know you are a meme at this point, you clearly showed many times you have no idea how to balance it.
Also a hint for you : some players don't have only one toon, I have a ranger, and 8 other! Shocking I know!
Noashakra wrote: ↑Sat 24 Oct 2020 12:14 PMThe healers are the one healing and rupting. In alb, the clerics are mainly healing, and you have many classes that can rupt/deal damage, ablities are spread among classes on alb.
The sorc stopping to rupt instead of using his DD will not put your team in trouble because your two clerics can still heal the team. The sorc has the dex to win the casting duel, a QC and a pet !
Bards have two amenisia spells, one group and one single on a timer, 2000 range and you compare it to a spamable amnesia 2300 range? The bard can't neutralise a target non stop like le the sorc can do at 2300 range.
You litterally play the OP realm and you don't realize it xD
Stop posting dude, you have no idea about what you speak about.
Post your toon name and we will all laugh to your face, but you stay anonimus for a good reason.
Teiloh the meme AKA mincer is the worst class on the server QQ!
teiloh wrote: ↑Sat 24 Oct 2020 3:30 PMYou realize you can cast other stuff while using Bard Amnesia, right? Hence *instant* Amnesia?
You really think Clerics need to heal 24/7? When a Healer can lockdown any 1-3 casters/healers permanently by just pressing 1 button with MOC1 you shouldn't be taking that much damage.
Let me guess, Ellyls nuking you for 50-70 every 2-3 seconds is too OP?
teiloh wrote: ↑Sat 24 Oct 2020 3:30 PMLet me guess, Ellyls nuking you for 50-70 every 2-3 seconds is too OP?
There are only two healers per group. They are the main healers and rupters. In mid, if one is not able the cast, it's a big deal. If the sorc is rupted, the two clerics can heal. I a cleric is rupted, the other can heal and the sorc can still rupt. If you add the ministrel / theu / caba and their pets, it's really no big deal for an alb group.
Muh instant amesia with range 2000 and one dd range 700 and less than 330 dex!
The nuke on the Ellyls is not the problem, it's the heal that out dps any melee class 1vs1.
Alb is already the strongest realm, no need to give them another up.
Tyrlaan wrote: ↑Sun 25 Oct 2020 10:45 AMThis thread is about Smite. Not Noashakra´s battleground to show off poor knowledge of Bards.
In a Druid duo one Druid can go Reg/Nature instead of Nurture/Reg to increase a group´s utility. Mid has the Pac/Aug meta. A 2nd Cleric going subspec Smite is a waste. And the spec doesn´t work for soloing either (unlike Cave for Shamans and a couple other feasible caster specs which involve snare-kiting and/or pets).
That said, the devs have repeatedly made clear they want all classes to have a viable spec and place in this game, not necessarily every spec line. The baseline stun sees occasional use as does the baseline DD to compete for death blows.
I don´t see many ways to make it attractive without buffing Alb caster groups too much (because in Alb the utility rests on casters). It would have to be something so that a Cleric would want to subspec into it instead of going the universally needed Enh/Rej or Rej/Enh.
You can´t give it more CC that makes a difference, instant or not: AE stun would be too OPed, PBAE stun would just hand out immunity to melees most likely to attack a Cleric, and the Mind Sorc already gets its long range big radius AE mezz because Alb is lacking on instant CC - while Alb in general has more than enough CC already to cover each other. I don´t see Clerics ever getting enough DPS to matter because that would be OPed, and adding a heal component to some of the spells will neither make them viable DPS nor heals.
Maybe a ranged interrupt at 20+ Smite (decreasing RUT with spec level) or a reactive self proc of the non-CC-type (increasing absorb or resists for a short duration). Maybe. That would be more to give Smite something than to mean that Clerics need something.
teiloh wrote: ↑Mon 26 Oct 2020 9:33 PMTyrlaan wrote: ↑Sun 25 Oct 2020 10:45 AMThis thread is about Smite. Not Noashakra´s battleground to show off poor knowledge of Bards.
In a Druid duo one Druid can go Reg/Nature instead of Nurture/Reg to increase a group´s utility. Mid has the Pac/Aug meta. A 2nd Cleric going subspec Smite is a waste. And the spec doesn´t work for soloing either (unlike Cave for Shamans and a couple other feasible caster specs which involve snare-kiting and/or pets).
That said, the devs have repeatedly made clear they want all classes to have a viable spec and place in this game, not necessarily every spec line. The baseline stun sees occasional use as does the baseline DD to compete for death blows.
I don´t see many ways to make it attractive without buffing Alb caster groups too much (because in Alb the utility rests on casters). It would have to be something so that a Cleric would want to subspec into it instead of going the universally needed Enh/Rej or Rej/Enh.
You can´t give it more CC that makes a difference, instant or not: AE stun would be too OPed, PBAE stun would just hand out immunity to melees most likely to attack a Cleric, and the Mind Sorc already gets its long range big radius AE mezz because Alb is lacking on instant CC - while Alb in general has more than enough CC already to cover each other. I don´t see Clerics ever getting enough DPS to matter because that would be OPed, and adding a heal component to some of the spells will neither make them viable DPS nor heals.
Maybe a ranged interrupt at 20+ Smite (decreasing RUT with spec level) or a reactive self proc of the non-CC-type (increasing absorb or resists for a short duration). Maybe. That would be more to give Smite something than to mean that Clerics need something.
I think the poll did show most players wanting to fix "bad lines" though. I think it would be great for build diversity.
My thoughts are to make smite good DPS and highly power efficient as a sort of "deterrent" line, with the ranges for the DD the same as they are. Lower RUT on PBAE Mez as a fall-back peel option, and throw in some extra bells and whistles like added AOE (a weak point of Alb's), maybe a silence, etc.
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