Minstrels and Scouts...The Nerf Bat Commith!!!

gotwqqd wrote: ↑

Fri 9 Oct 2020 11:46 PM

Helwyr wrote: ↑

Fri 9 Oct 2020 10:42 PM

That would indeed solve the problem I brought up, but it could create new problems with how easy cross-realming is on Phoenix. Ultimately IMO I think these stealth detection change suggestions are seeking solutions to things that aren't really problems... Stealth groups are generally predictable in where they are located, choke points, especially bridges and docks. And again IMO those seeking solo duels all the time are basically playing the wrong game, there's no fix for that within anything remotely resembling DAoC..

Your naive if you don’t see the inherent problem with stealth and numbers. I played the game from 2001. They never had the issue to the extent we see here with large groups of stealth we see here, now. I think an advanced detection system is an elegant way to force these classes which, imo, are meant to be primarily solo killers

Yeah I played way back in the early days too. So far back I can recall the glory days of stealthers, where archers menaced visibles solo and assassins one shot casters and stayed in stealth... although that was back before even epic armor was a thing and elves loved sitting on grassy knolls for a picnic while they waited for their mana to regen. But a lot changed from those days, mythic nerfed stealthers over and over, tried to alter the game so that stealthers hunted each other rather than preyed on visibles as they were originally intended to do. Buffbots became a thing, and for a time gave a huge boost to stealthers that used them, and made virtually extinct those that did not, while at the same time putting most visibles back on the menu (including tanks who were never targets before). And a whole bunch of other changes back and forth, buffs, nerfs and so on, to where we are now on a fan server.

I can't recall at what point stealth groups (more than 2) became common, but it was a while a go, like a long time ago. Maybe you played on another private fan server that I did not where it was super rare, but that's neither here nor there. Player's are going to do what gets them kills and is fun to them... which for most is getting kills/RPs. I suspect your problem is that you look for other solos for duel type fights, which even if you like that type of gameplay is a recipe for frustration and constant demands placed upon the community and the developers to warp the game to fit this niche that's out of tune with the rest of the game. The other route clearly many are taking is to group, opening up a much larger range of viable targets, which I'm sure includes easy kills on solos, just as 8man, small mans and BGs do the same... it's a Realm vs Realm game, not an arena game, you should never expect or feel you are due a "fair" equal numbers fight. Personally, what I had done on Phoenix when on my assassin a lot of time is to follow around the BG, and stalk around the periphery when the BG is static, got way more 1 vs 1s against well played high RR assassins than I wanted, so that game play is there, I just don't feel I'm entitled not to be added, ambushed or tricked into a lopsided fight.

Now, more to the topic of the thread, there is and always has been an issue of Realm balance that Albion has an additional stealth class, in the form of the Minstrel. But I don't really have a good answer to that other than we've got by for decades with that issue and still keep coming back despite it anyway.