bonus rp realm pride - Phoenix Freeshard

good morning,
I am writing this post, as requested by the gm, regarding the discussion yesterday on discord.
My idea would be to give a bonus to all those people who constantly play a realm - a personal bonus and not a realm bonus.
a bonus that grows over time.
for example:
10% the first month, 20% the second month, 30% the third month.
more than 30 seems too much.
This bonus would grow by 2% in the month every 5 days you always play in the same realm. The% can change. Even half might work maybe.
Obviously it is an example and
Everyone would be free to change realm whenever they want but the personal bonus would reset.
Maybe it could be a way to get people to travel less and switch realms based on relics.

my 2 cents: D

Thu 8 Oct 2020 10:41 AM by inoeth

whats the point of it? punish all the ppl who like to play different factions? further increase the midgard underdog problem?

for me that looks like a poor try to circumvent the switch timer and force ppl to stay in one realm.
there has been a poll and ppl wanted a very short switch timer because it does not make any sense to prevent realm switching, so i dont think there will be alot ppl that support your idea

Thu 8 Oct 2020 10:50 AM by swap89

so I ask you why help people who want to change realm and penalize people who play only 1?
because by changing realm and following the relics, the penalized people are the ones who remain.
Have you given a way for those who want to change to do it with the 4 hour shit ...
give a little recognition instead to those who always remain faithful

Thu 8 Oct 2020 10:52 AM by swap89

and u can change how many time u ewant...u dont only have the bonus...what is ur problem?

Thu 8 Oct 2020 10:55 AM by dbeattie71

swap89 wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Oct 2020 8:25 AM
good morning,
I am writing this post, as requested by the gm, regarding the discussion yesterday on discord.
My idea would be to give a bonus to all those people who constantly play a realm - a personal bonus and not a realm bonus.
a bonus that grows over time.
for example:
10% the first month, 20% the second month, 30% the third month.
more than 30 seems too much.
This bonus would grow by 2% in the month every 5 days you always play in the same realm. The% can change. Even half might work maybe.
Obviously it is an example and
Everyone would be free to change realm whenever they want but the personal bonus would reset.
Maybe it could be a way to get people to travel less and switch realms based on relics.

my 2 cents: D

Make it like DS, 1 day = 1% with a cap that resets when a different realm is logged.

Thu 8 Oct 2020 10:58 AM by Sepplord

The matter of realmbalance is simply not that easy.
Making realmswitching harder doesn't necessarily lead to less winningteamjoining, it might as well do the opposite.

The people always joining the winning team might prefer winning over biggest RP and nothing changes in their decision making, while others that would balance the population don't because it makes them lose their bonus.

Not saying that is the case, but it needs to be considered.
A proposed change needs to carefully anylyze the problem first, then the cause of that problem, then propose a solution and then check if the solution actually changes what it is supposed to change (and only that)

(and i am saying that as someone who has played only one realm since serverstart (minus i think ~one week in hibernia))

Thu 8 Oct 2020 10:58 AM by swap89

yeah should be an idea too...but always need a cap

...20-30%is good for me

Thu 8 Oct 2020 11:05 AM by swap89

you can also be right.
Mine is just an idea.
but I am also open to other solutions.
But I think that this balancing problem needs to be solved in some way.
You cannot play on a server where first a realm dominates for a few months, then another realm does it, then it changes again.
I think it's better if there is total balance and we all have fun all the time.
Because even if you are in the realm that dominates (hibernia has done it for a long time, but there was no fun, because few enemies around and always easy wins) like for example albion now, I think he doesn't have so much fun always winning easily. .. fewer and fewer enemies around.

Thu 8 Oct 2020 11:24 AM by bigne88

swap89 wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Oct 2020 8:25 AM
good morning,
I am writing this post, as requested by the gm, regarding the discussion yesterday on discord.
My idea would be to give a bonus to all those people who constantly play a realm - a personal bonus and not a realm bonus.
a bonus that grows over time.
for example:
10% the first month, 20% the second month, 30% the third month.
more than 30 seems too much.
This bonus would grow by 2% in the month every 5 days you always play in the same realm. The% can change. Even half might work maybe.
Obviously it is an example and
Everyone would be free to change realm whenever they want but the personal bonus would reset.
Maybe it could be a way to get people to travel less and switch realms based on relics.

my 2 cents: D

Realm pride bonus? Mmm yee ok, but only if is the less populated realm. Or it is not the most populated one.

Thu 8 Oct 2020 12:49 PM by Valaraukar

swap89 wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Oct 2020 11:05 AM
you can also be right.
Mine is just an idea.
but I am also open to other solutions.
But I think that this balancing problem needs to be solved in some way.
You cannot play on a server where first a realm dominates for a few months, then another realm does it, then it changes again.
I think it's better if there is total balance and we all have fun all the time.
Because even if you are in the realm that dominates (hibernia has done it for a long time, but there was no fun, because few enemies around and always easy wins) like for example albion now, I think he doesn't have so much fun always winning easily. .. fewer and fewer enemies around.

OMG.... but it is exactly was I WAS SAYING months ago. Do you remember? When you and all your Hibs friends flamed me all way round, made posts closed for insults and so on? What happened now? Ah..yes.. Hibs is not dominating anymore

/buy coherence please

It's funny that for months, with Hib dominating and helding 6 relics, every time a Mid tried to bring up a balance issue discussion he was totally ignored by the staff, and insulted by Hibs. Now that Alb is dominating (but does not have 6 relics yet, so I'd say less dominating) the realm balance issue has become the top priority.
It makes me laugh, really. There are no underpopulation bonus or fidelity bonus or other things that can solve this issue. REBALANCE the classes, stop the insane caster kiting festival on this server, stop giving rvr and pve OP classes to Alb and Hib, and see that thing will go significantly better for everyone.

Thu 8 Oct 2020 1:43 PM by Scope

Very good idea, my little Smap of the forests !

Loyalty doesn't pay in this world ! We have to change that.

Thu 8 Oct 2020 2:13 PM by swap89

Valaraukar wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Oct 2020 12:49 PM
swap89 wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Oct 2020 11:05 AM
you can also be right.
Mine is just an idea.
but I am also open to other solutions.
But I think that this balancing problem needs to be solved in some way.
You cannot play on a server where first a realm dominates for a few months, then another realm does it, then it changes again.
I think it's better if there is total balance and we all have fun all the time.
Because even if you are in the realm that dominates (hibernia has done it for a long time, but there was no fun, because few enemies around and always easy wins) like for example albion now, I think he doesn't have so much fun always winning easily. .. fewer and fewer enemies around.

OMG.... but it is exactly was I WAS SAYING months ago. Do you remember? When you and all your Hibs friends flamed me all way round, made posts closed for insults and so on? What happened now? Ah..yes.. Hibs is not dominating anymore

/buy coherence please

It's funny that for months, with Hib dominating and helding 6 relics, every time a Mid tried to bring up a balance issue discussion he was totally ignored by the staff, and insulted by Hibs. Now that Alb is dominating (but does not have 6 relics yet, so I'd say less dominating) the realm balance issue has become the top priority.
It makes me laugh, really. There are no underpopulation bonus or fidelity bonus or other things that can solve this issue. REBALANCE the classes, stop the insane caster kiting festival on this server, stop giving rvr and pve OP classes to Alb and Hib, and see that thing will go significantly better for everyone.

I've always said these things ... if you remember genius I know I came to midgard because I didn't enjoy hibernia because we were too many.
I have always said that the problem was only the fact of polemo on vacation and when he came back it changed.
We tried to balance by going to midgard if you remember correctly, genius again.
In each post you are making comments to fuel a flame instead of exposing your ideas like everyone else.
Always take the discussion to a high level by making nonsensical comments.
I've always said these things, even when we dominated, it doesn't have a shit to do with the fact that when midgard has the keep under siege you are scratching your dick at the flags.
Or with the fact that you pae to run the flags with 3-4 ggrp.
this is the last time I reply to you personally, don't waste your breath on a person who can't expose an idea without criticizing or insulting others.

hello genius

Thu 8 Oct 2020 2:28 PM by DJ2000

Realm Pride bonus, huh?

The initial Idea seems fine, but i do have some question...

Does it trigger/reset like the Realm timer? Or does it even trigger/reset when doing PvE only?

Is it for all 3 realms at all times? For underpop realm only? Or is just not for the dom. Realm, but the other 2? Do Relics matter or is it just population?

Obviously numbers can be adjusted ( %-bonus or Time span for increase), but what about underpop bonus? Will they stack? additive or multiplicative?

Will the realm pride Bonus prevail even if my realm goes from underpop to overpop Realm?

Thu 8 Oct 2020 4:38 PM by Valaraukar

I've already posted many times my ideas for rebalance...

this has become a very caster friendly server and the result is that Albs and Hibs, who have the most effective casters toons, dominate. The number is just a reflection of this situation, if you have easy mode to farm in PvE, or zerg friendly classes, or unbeatable keep defense skills the logical result is that more people will switch to have a gain from it.
All that I see is that many people are wandering around the issue, suggesting to give useless buff to avoid the point: give fun to everybody to play.

When you play against a Scout it's not fun. When you play against baseline stuns is not fun. When your most strong class (BD I'd say in Mid) gets repeatdly nerfed it's not fun. When you are continually interrupted trying to heal in towers it's not fun. The issue was about the enormous Rangers population and they nerfed a RA for all realms. That's it. Nowadays Midgard is a pain to play in, you can't even farm decently like in Alb or Hib to get some good rogs or plats. And the outcome is quite clear, Hib and Alb switch between themselves the most populated realm and Mid never get it. And all you can think is "give some bonus".

You came to Mid and stayed for 3 days. Nice try, indeed, what do you think you could accomplish?

I only play in Mid, so this "fidelity" bonus would be a good gift to me, but it will do nothing to solve this situation. And again the main point is: everything was fine when Hibs held 6 relics for about 3 months, now that this has changed it becomes a problem... It seems a bit absurd to me.

Thu 8 Oct 2020 9:43 PM by Gildar

Valaraukar wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Oct 2020 4:38 PM
I've already posted many times my ideas for rebalance...

this has become a very caster friendly server and the result is that Albs and Hibs, who have the most effective casters toons, dominate. The number is just a reflection of this situation, if you have easy mode to farm in PvE, or zerg friendly classes, or unbeatable keep defense skills the logical result is that more people will switch to have a gain from it.
All that I see is that many people are wandering around the issue, suggesting to give useless buff to avoid the point: give fun to everybody to play.

When you play against a Scout it's not fun. When you play against baseline stuns is not fun. When your most strong class (BD I'd say in Mid) gets repeatdly nerfed it's not fun. When you are continually interrupted trying to heal in towers it's not fun. The issue was about the enormous Rangers population and they nerfed a RA for all realms. That's it. Nowadays Midgard is a pain to play in, you can't even farm decently like in Alb or Hib to get some good rogs or plats. And the outcome is quite clear, Hib and Alb switch between themselves the most populated realm and Mid never get it. And all you can think is "give some bonus".

You came to Mid and stayed for 3 days. Nice try, indeed, what do you think you could accomplish?

I only play in Mid, so this "fidelity" bonus would be a good gift to me, but it will do nothing to solve this situation. And again the main point is: everything was fine when Hibs held 6 relics for about 3 months, now that this has changed it becomes a problem... It seems a bit absurd to me.

Here it is .... flaming as usual ... i ignore your first post ... useless and only insulting.

You only asked for months to NERF all Hib toons ... never talk about Albs .. except minstrels ofc ... that's why you gaslight the discussions ...

I agree ... this server is more caster oriented ... but also Mid have casters I believe ....

Smap do a proposal for ALL realms ... He dont ask (like you do) to nerf some realm or some single class ... and i agree with him.

The reward have to be not so great tho ... only a little boost on Rps and/or BPs with 25% cap, maybe with the mechanic dbeattie71 suggest.

This can solve the problem of relic hoppers ?
I dont believe ... but can help.
Anyway we have to try something ... status quo is not so good ...

PS dear Valaukar Smap and Pilz come to mid to help and almost steal a relic on Hib .... they stay only 3 days ? YES but .... WHY ????
Because you and your fellows blue guys insult them calling them spies and flaming constantly in BG. A really warm welcome to those that wanna only try to help. Luckily i'm too addicted to hib to follow them XD

Thu 8 Oct 2020 10:12 PM by Freedomcall

It is actually the other way round.
Devs should encourage players to play multiple realms and see how things really work.
Making people play in one realm only creates mass of clueless/biased people, if not all, towards other realms/classes.
You can find lots of posts that prove this on forum.

Thu 8 Oct 2020 11:11 PM by Valaraukar

Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Oct 2020 9:43 PM
Valaraukar wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Oct 2020 4:38 PM
I've already posted many times my ideas for rebalance...

this has become a very caster friendly server and the result is that Albs and Hibs, who have the most effective casters toons, dominate. The number is just a reflection of this situation, if you have easy mode to farm in PvE, or zerg friendly classes, or unbeatable keep defense skills the logical result is that more people will switch to have a gain from it.
All that I see is that many people are wandering around the issue, suggesting to give useless buff to avoid the point: give fun to everybody to play.

When you play against a Scout it's not fun. When you play against baseline stuns is not fun. When your most strong class (BD I'd say in Mid) gets repeatdly nerfed it's not fun. When you are continually interrupted trying to heal in towers it's not fun. The issue was about the enormous Rangers population and they nerfed a RA for all realms. That's it. Nowadays Midgard is a pain to play in, you can't even farm decently like in Alb or Hib to get some good rogs or plats. And the outcome is quite clear, Hib and Alb switch between themselves the most populated realm and Mid never get it. And all you can think is "give some bonus".

You came to Mid and stayed for 3 days. Nice try, indeed, what do you think you could accomplish?

I only play in Mid, so this "fidelity" bonus would be a good gift to me, but it will do nothing to solve this situation. And again the main point is: everything was fine when Hibs held 6 relics for about 3 months, now that this has changed it becomes a problem... It seems a bit absurd to me.

Here it is .... flaming as usual ... i ignore your first post ... useless and only insulting.

You only asked for months to NERF all Hib toons ... never talk about Albs .. except minstrels ofc ... that's why you gaslight the discussions ...

I agree ... this server is more caster oriented ... but also Mid have casters I believe ....

Smap do a proposal for ALL realms ... He dont ask (like you do) to nerf some realm or some single class ... and i agree with him.

The reward have to be not so great tho ... only a little boost on Rps and/or BPs with 25% cap, maybe with the mechanic dbeattie71 suggest.

This can solve the problem of relic hoppers ?
I dont believe ... but can help.
Anyway we have to try something ... status quo is not so good ...

PS dear Valaukar Smap and Pilz come to mid to help and almost steal a relic on Hib .... they stay only 3 days ? YES but .... WHY ????
Because you and your fellows blue guys insult them calling them spies and flaming constantly in BG. A really warm welcome to those that wanna only try to help. Luckily i'm too addicted to hib to follow them XD

This solves nothing, and I am not flaming or insulting at all. When Pilz and Smap came to Mid I was in their BG when I could, and I've never thought to call them spies or other silly things. I was happy to see them in Mid, but the fact is that they stayed for 3 days and came off. And now the issue is Albion?
Of course I did not talk about Albion classes at that time, for many reasons. The first is that they are universally known to be OP since DAOC birth compared to the other 2 realms. The second is that it was not the point of those discussions, since it was Hib holding 6 relics and not Albion.
I didn't ask to nerf specifically Hib toons or Alb toons or something like that, I simply asked for a fair balance, and if you think that Mid casters are even nearly equivalent to Hibs or Albs...well try to play one, see the hoard of blue/ yellow / orange and of course minstrel's red pets coming to interrupt you while you have NOTHING against them (BD and SM pets got nerfed, what remains to Mid? Hunter pets? lol). Just have a look to the charplan, see by yourself the specs that can be used for Mid casters...they are laughable compared to Albs or Hibs ones.
Mid has only one thing above the other 2 realms: celerity. And you need a healer specced to have it, need him to stay in 1k range with melee dps, while trying to stay alive, avoid quickcast baseline stuns, avoid instant amnesia, avoid 1875 quickcast mezz, avoid even the druid's gray pet that can interrupt you, or the hundreds of theurg's pets that will follow you forever, of course trying to heal too and recast it every 20 secs. And this server is just a big kite festival so casters will be always able (if they can play at least decently) to avoid melee with celerity.
No Rps or Bps bonus will change this. A class rebalance is needed if you want all the 3 realms competing one against the others, and not just 1 or 2 dominating for months. They changed the keep siege and it is now even more suitable to Albion, thanks to bugged necros and theurgist's pets smashing doors. Is this balance?
Why you and all the other Hibs did not talk when you held 6 relics? There were no issues then?

Fri 9 Oct 2020 12:07 AM by Expfighter

Freedomcall wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Oct 2020 10:12 PM
It is actually the other way round.
Devs should encourage players to play multiple realms and see how things really work.
Making people play in one realm only creates mass of clueless/biased people, if not all, towards other realms/classes.
You can find lots of posts that prove this on forum.

If a player has no realm pride, they will continue to relic hop making the realm with the most relics even more powerful!

devs should make the realm timer 8 hours again and no more logging in period, not even to pve! this is still a xrealming nightmare

Fri 9 Oct 2020 6:49 AM by inoeth

swap89 wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Oct 2020 10:50 AM
so I ask you why help people who want to change realm and penalize people who play only 1?
because by changing realm and following the relics, the penalized people are the ones who remain.
Have you given a way for those who want to change to do it with the 4 hour shit ...
give a little recognition instead to those who always remain faithful

i dont give a single fuck about relics tbh
realm pride=racism

Fri 9 Oct 2020 7:00 AM by Sepplord

Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Oct 2020 9:43 PM
I agree ... this server is more caster oriented ... but also Mid have casters I believe ....

comparably shitty ones though...and the few that see play got nerfed and nerfed and nerfed because of issues in 1vs1 and smallmen

i know i know, in paper daoc there are way to make a midgard castergroup just as strong as other realms castergroups. It's not the reality though, and most people would think of midgard last (or not at all) when they want to play a caster and are undecided.

Fri 9 Oct 2020 7:24 AM by bigne88

Realm pride is a nonesense. It is like having only a boyfriend or a girlfriend for all your life.
Realm monogamy is way more boring than being free to decide with whoum and against whoum you wanna play.
It is just a matter of number's balance per realm, the same way there are too many stealthers per visi players.
Sadly you cant change lazy people minds that will always go with the winning side or get safe sneaking in the shadows.

Fri 9 Oct 2020 8:20 AM by Gildar

Valaraukar wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Oct 2020 11:11 PM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Oct 2020 9:43 PM
Valaraukar wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Oct 2020 4:38 PM
I've already posted many times my ideas for rebalance...

this has become a very caster friendly server and the result is that Albs and Hibs, who have the most effective casters toons, dominate. The number is just a reflection of this situation, if you have easy mode to farm in PvE, or zerg friendly classes, or unbeatable keep defense skills the logical result is that more people will switch to have a gain from it.
All that I see is that many people are wandering around the issue, suggesting to give useless buff to avoid the point: give fun to everybody to play.

When you play against a Scout it's not fun. When you play against baseline stuns is not fun. When your most strong class (BD I'd say in Mid) gets repeatdly nerfed it's not fun. When you are continually interrupted trying to heal in towers it's not fun. The issue was about the enormous Rangers population and they nerfed a RA for all realms. That's it. Nowadays Midgard is a pain to play in, you can't even farm decently like in Alb or Hib to get some good rogs or plats. And the outcome is quite clear, Hib and Alb switch between themselves the most populated realm and Mid never get it. And all you can think is "give some bonus".

You came to Mid and stayed for 3 days. Nice try, indeed, what do you think you could accomplish?

I only play in Mid, so this "fidelity" bonus would be a good gift to me, but it will do nothing to solve this situation. And again the main point is: everything was fine when Hibs held 6 relics for about 3 months, now that this has changed it becomes a problem... It seems a bit absurd to me.

Here it is .... flaming as usual ... i ignore your first post ... useless and only insulting.

You only asked for months to NERF all Hib toons ... never talk about Albs .. except minstrels ofc ... that's why you gaslight the discussions ...

I agree ... this server is more caster oriented ... but also Mid have casters I believe ....

Smap do a proposal for ALL realms ... He dont ask (like you do) to nerf some realm or some single class ... and i agree with him.

The reward have to be not so great tho ... only a little boost on Rps and/or BPs with 25% cap, maybe with the mechanic dbeattie71 suggest.

This can solve the problem of relic hoppers ?
I dont believe ... but can help.
Anyway we have to try something ... status quo is not so good ...

PS dear Valaukar Smap and Pilz come to mid to help and almost steal a relic on Hib .... they stay only 3 days ? YES but .... WHY ????
Because you and your fellows blue guys insult them calling them spies and flaming constantly in BG. A really warm welcome to those that wanna only try to help. Luckily i'm too addicted to hib to follow them XD

This solves nothing, and I am not flaming or insulting at all. When Pilz and Smap came to Mid I was in their BG when I could, and I've never thought to call them spies or other silly things. I was happy to see them in Mid, but the fact is that they stayed for 3 days and came off. And now the issue is Albion?
Of course I did not talk about Albion classes at that time, for many reasons. The first is that they are universally known to be OP since DAOC birth compared to the other 2 realms. The second is that it was not the point of those discussions, since it was Hib holding 6 relics and not Albion.
I didn't ask to nerf specifically Hib toons or Alb toons or something like that, I simply asked for a fair balance, and if you think that Mid casters are even nearly equivalent to Hibs or Albs...well try to play one, see the hoard of blue/ yellow / orange and of course minstrel's red pets coming to interrupt you while you have NOTHING against them (BD and SM pets got nerfed, what remains to Mid? Hunter pets? lol). Just have a look to the charplan, see by yourself the specs that can be used for Mid casters...they are laughable compared to Albs or Hibs ones.
Mid has only one thing above the other 2 realms: celerity. And you need a healer specced to have it, need him to stay in 1k range with melee dps, while trying to stay alive, avoid quickcast baseline stuns, avoid instant amnesia, avoid 1875 quickcast mezz, avoid even the druid's gray pet that can interrupt you, or the hundreds of theurg's pets that will follow you forever, of course trying to heal too and recast it every 20 secs. And this server is just a big kite festival so casters will be always able (if they can play at least decently) to avoid melee with celerity.
No Rps or Bps bonus will change this. A class rebalance is needed if you want all the 3 realms competing one against the others, and not just 1 or 2 dominating for months. They changed the keep siege and it is now even more suitable to Albion, thanks to bugged necros and theurgist's pets smashing doors. Is this balance?
Why you and all the other Hibs did not talk when you held 6 relics? There were no issues then?

Ok serious arguments deserve a serious reply.

First of all ... i pointed out the necro/ earth wiz/ theurg problems also when Hib have 6 relics ... and all forum albzergers come calling me whiner and reply like this: you whine with 6 relics lol and so on ...
And Mids helped albs on that.
I dont whine at all ... i play but also point at some thing that in my op is a problem ...

Mid casters: I know is a problem for Mid... but believe me ... i play a warden ...and i know very weil that vs a million Alb pets it is almost impossible to complete a single cast.
In towers i see my grp mates die because earth wiz gtaoe zerg and i cant cast a single heal to help them ... i was perma interrupted by gtaoe...

I dont know Mid well, i admit, but apart asking for some change on Mid toons i dont know how Devs can rebalance things ...

One thing is sure: Hib (animist, bard ecc) and Mid (bd) was nerfed many times ... alb ? Only a little nerf on minstrels that still can charm a Red per LOL

Fri 9 Oct 2020 9:16 AM by swap89

bigne88 wrote: ↑
Fri 9 Oct 2020 7:24 AM
Realm pride is a nonesense. It is like having only a boyfriend or a girlfriend for all your life.
Realm monogamy is way more boring than being free to decide with whoum and against whoum you wanna play.
It is just a matter of number's balance per realm, the same way there are too many stealthers per visi players.
Sadly you cant change lazy people minds that will always go with the winning side or get safe sneaking in the shadows.

i love old daoc...where if u want change realm u must delete all...
a dream now i know...but was my best period on daoc game.

Fri 9 Oct 2020 10:09 AM by Sepplord

swap89 wrote: ↑
Fri 9 Oct 2020 9:16 AM
i love old daoc...where if u want change realm u must delete all...
a dream now i know...but was my best period on daoc game.

Which period was that though? Afaik that was never the case...you could just play on a different server.
And when the amount of servers declined, realmswap mechanics were introduced...the same reason realmswaps are possible here. Because splitting your pop onto 3different servers to allow playing all realms that way is a dumb idea

Fri 9 Oct 2020 11:05 PM by Bobbahunter

I love the idea of realm pride bonus. I’ve only played mid my entire DAOC life. 👍

Sun 11 Oct 2020 12:35 AM by Freedomcall

Expfighter wrote: ↑
Fri 9 Oct 2020 12:07 AM
Freedomcall wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Oct 2020 10:12 PM
It is actually the other way round.
Devs should encourage players to play multiple realms and see how things really work.
Making people play in one realm only creates mass of clueless/biased people, if not all, towards other realms/classes.
You can find lots of posts that prove this on forum.

If a player has no realm pride, they will continue to relic hop making the realm with the most relics even more powerful!

devs should make the realm timer 8 hours again and no more logging in period, not even to pve! this is still a xrealming nightmare

Not really, I switch to realm that usually don't have relic advantage.
It's just about if the person prefer chilling/easier fights or underdog/challenging fights.
And as I said, "realm pride" is likely to make people biased upon opposing realms cuz they can only see the single side of the coin.

Sun 11 Oct 2020 1:43 AM by Freakzilla

Great idea. Screw these people saying it is stupid to have some sort of realm pride. You must be fkn liberals to think that your opinion is better than the rest of us. Giving those who do have some loyalty a bonus is a fantastic idea. At least the cross realming, relic chasing people would still be able to do as they please, but those of us who support and stick with a realm would be rewarded. I would support even a penalty to those who do realm jump.

Sun 11 Oct 2020 6:42 AM by Gildar

Freakzilla wrote: ↑
Sun 11 Oct 2020 1:43 AM
Great idea. Screw these people saying it is stupid to have some sort of realm pride. You must be fkn liberals to think that your opinion is better than the rest of us. Giving those who do have some loyalty a bonus is a fantastic idea. At least the cross realming, relic chasing people would still be able to do as they please, but those of us who support and stick with a realm would be rewarded. I would support even a penalty to those who do realm jump.

Agree 100%

Sun 11 Oct 2020 7:03 AM by Noashakra

Freakzilla wrote: ↑
Sun 11 Oct 2020 1:43 AM
Great idea. Screw these people saying it is stupid to have some sort of realm pride. You must be fkn liberals to think that your opinion is better than the rest of us. Giving those who do have some loyalty a bonus is a fantastic idea. At least the cross realming, relic chasing people would still be able to do as they please, but those of us who support and stick with a realm would be rewarded. I would support even a penalty to those who do realm jump.

I don't know what being a liberal or not have to do with a video game...
I could say it's the classic conservative projectionism, but I would not dare :p

PS: USA is not the only country in the world.

Sun 11 Oct 2020 7:07 AM by tommccartney

If a majority get the vote for a change why shouldn’t it be implemented ?

Mon 12 Oct 2020 1:41 PM by Shamissa

Again I am gonna repeat, this server is getting closer and closer to DAOC live, so if you dont like realm prime heck, lets have TOA already...bring all the other classes missing from daoc live!!!!!! Because daoc live has no pride sooo bring it on!!!
See how you all gonna like what is like having not pride at all, i tell you sucks big time.

Mon 12 Oct 2020 2:37 PM by inoeth

"pride is the mask for your own failure" - Talmud

Mon 12 Oct 2020 3:19 PM by Shamissa

inoeth wrote: ↑
Mon 12 Oct 2020 2:37 PM
"pride is the mask for your own failure" - Talmud

Mask is for the weak. Period.

Tue 13 Oct 2020 9:45 AM by Hedien

Realm pride and realm switching are linked. A large majority would like to see realm pride rewarded, and it is easy to deduce that while they like convenience of switch (past vote), they would prefer not to switch (recent vote).

For those switching, what would be the motivation?
I think it is complex, most would probably switch to be with mates or simply play something new. Realm pride would be rather useless here.
Some might switch to gain x% damage on kill, have easier kills, feel stronger. Realm rp increase is a slow power increase compared to a flat %, not sure it is the best. Alternatively, to implement a % damage increase linked with duration might actually work, but this would seriously reduce the significance of relics. I would not be in favor of this as it would also disrupt burst/survivability mechanics.

Some really don't care about switching, and just like the idea of realm pride. So they just want a mechanism that reward them from a spiritual angle. This could be rp/xp/bp/craftspeed or cost improvements.

I personally think that realm attractiveness is intrinsically linked with class attractiveness. Fix in priority classes underpowered from underdog realm, and you will see the shift.

Faturday/Saturday

Tue 13 Oct 2020 10:27 AM by Sepplord

Freakzilla wrote: ↑
Sun 11 Oct 2020 1:43 AM
Great idea. Screw these people saying it is stupid to have some sort of realm pride. You must be fkn liberals to think that your opinion is better than the rest of us. Giving those who do have some loyalty a bonus is a fantastic idea. At least the cross realming, relic chasing people would still be able to do as they please, but those of us who support and stick with a realm would be rewarded. I would support even a penalty to those who do realm jump.

Screw people that have a different opinion, but THEY must be "fkn liberals" that think their opinion is better?

Nothing but hypocrisy and projection...
And then acting surprised that someone assumes you are an american *lols*
Username checksout though

Tue 13 Oct 2020 1:28 PM by Sagz

Shamissa wrote: ↑
Mon 12 Oct 2020 1:41 PM
Again I am gonna repeat, this server is getting closer and closer to DAOC live, so if you dont like realm prime heck, lets have TOA already...bring all the other classes missing from daoc live!!!!!! Because daoc live has no pride sooo bring it on!!!
See how you all gonna like what is like having not pride at all, i tell you sucks big time.

Realm pride? So you are telling me, in the entire 20 years, you have never played another realm?

Why do people care about relics? or Pride? People play the game for fun, some like to solo, some like to 8v8, some like to small man, some like to zerg. Hell even some just like to PvE.

The fact of the matter is, people go where their friends are. If no one is on to play with in one realm, they go play another, if no one is on all 3, most of them log and play a diff game or level another toon (dedicated soloers excluded from that). The population is dwindling (at least in NA prime) do whatever it takes to have more people play (with in reason). Personally this "realm pride" bonus should only be for PvE. Like the Darkspire/HoH Bonus.

Tue 13 Oct 2020 1:44 PM by Sagz

Freakzilla wrote: ↑
Sun 11 Oct 2020 1:43 AM
Great idea. Screw these people saying it is stupid to have some sort of realm pride. You must be fkn liberals to think that your opinion is better than the rest of us. Giving those who do have some loyalty a bonus is a fantastic idea. At least the cross realming, relic chasing people would still be able to do as they please, but those of us who support and stick with a realm would be rewarded. I would support even a penalty to those who do realm jump.

Really? people chase relics? Why? the bonuses are not that impactful really. People in this game are more RP chasers than Relic chasers. And to log on with noone to fight is pretty boring. Personally I would rather play the underdog realm and have more ppl to fight.

And crossrealm really? no one crossrealms for some strategic advantage, people just think they do cause they got outplayed. The same as the old sayings "They are ganging up on us" "those 2 realms are working together" is kinda BS, When in reality, it is the path of least resistance to get the most amount of RPs, which has the better angle to hit, which will about a clean exit after a hit, etc. Not because 1 realm is ganging up on another.

Remember when you could only pick 1 realm on a server? Yea they tried that, people left to go to other servers and the populations got too spread out. it did not work then, and will not work now.

This "reward" should be PvE only if they do it, like DS/HoH bonus. If it is for RvR, you will have 1 overpowerred realm with people with no incentive to switch. ex. 400 albs, 150 hibs, 74 mids. Who would have fun in that scenario?

People allowed to switch realms without a penalty actually creates a balance.

Tue 13 Oct 2020 1:47 PM by Stoertebecker

Sagz wrote: ↑
Tue 13 Oct 2020 1:28 PM
Shamissa wrote: ↑
Mon 12 Oct 2020 1:41 PM
Again I am gonna repeat, this server is getting closer and closer to DAOC live, so if you dont like realm prime heck, lets have TOA already...bring all the other classes missing from daoc live!!!!!! Because daoc live has no pride sooo bring it on!!!
See how you all gonna like what is like having not pride at all, i tell you sucks big time.

Why do people care about relics? or Pride? People play the game for fun, some like to solo, some like to 8v8, some like to small man, some like to zerg. Hell even some just like to PvE.

And there are still some ppl that like to play with other ppl that don`t switch realms like their panties.
Realm pride, relics and choice matters are pillars of the original concept, playing all 3 realms on 1 server not.

But since we have only 1 server and a limited pool of players....

Tue 13 Oct 2020 2:11 PM by Sagz

Stoertebecker wrote: ↑
Tue 13 Oct 2020 1:47 PM
Sagz wrote: ↑
Tue 13 Oct 2020 1:28 PM
Shamissa wrote: ↑
Mon 12 Oct 2020 1:41 PM
Again I am gonna repeat, this server is getting closer and closer to DAOC live, so if you dont like realm prime heck, lets have TOA already...bring all the other classes missing from daoc live!!!!!! Because daoc live has no pride sooo bring it on!!!
See how you all gonna like what is like having not pride at all, i tell you sucks big time.

Why do people care about relics? or Pride? People play the game for fun, some like to solo, some like to 8v8, some like to small man, some like to zerg. Hell even some just like to PvE.

And there are still some ppl that like to play with other ppl that don`t switch realms like their panties.
Realm pride, relics and choice matters are pillars of the original concept, playing all 3 realms on 1 server not.

But since we have only 1 server and a limited pool of players....

If there was 3 servers, do you think people wouldn't create a different toon and a different server in a different realm? You would spread the player base even thinner. The truth is i would say about less than 5% of the player pool only plays 1 realm only ( and I am being generous). You do know that you can still only play with only those players, and still have your fun, why does something someone else does for fun bother you? It does not directly effect you does it?

Tue 13 Oct 2020 4:43 PM by bculpepper

I like the realm pride idea.

Why would anyone oppose? Its not like you are getting a penalty for switching realms. Switch all you want. For those that are willing to stick it out through thick and thin - why not provide some reward for loyalty?

Wed 14 Oct 2020 7:29 AM by Sepplord

bculpepper wrote: ↑
Tue 13 Oct 2020 4:43 PM
Why would anyone oppose?

Did you even read the comments so far?
There are good arguments for both sides of the discussion

Wed 14 Oct 2020 7:41 AM by IdiamVonGawaine

inoeth wrote: ↑
Thu 8 Oct 2020 10:41 AM
whats the point of it? punish all the ppl who like to play different factions?
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Yes, absolutely.

The point of it is to punish those that can't pick a side.

You want to play every side? Fine, then you should suffer a penalty for those loyal to a realm. Cross realming is necessary due to the limited number of players in this game, but it should NOT be rewarded, as it is now, by allowing one to harvest RP's on their characters due ro relic bonuses, or because of population spikes.

Thank you for input.

Wed 14 Oct 2020 8:05 AM by Sepplord

So something neccessary for the server should not be incentivized but come with an opportunity cost of not getting a custom loyalty bonus?
huh?
I only play one char, a loyalty bonus would directly buff my RPs...yet i still don't agree on the reasons how it would help the server.

a) The people who don't realmswitch currently won't change their behaviour

b) The people who switch around according to what they want to play that day, or even switch to the weaker realm for more enemies/fights/helping the weaker side will be disincentivized.

c) The people who switch realm to join the biggest zerg to win will also be disincentivized

The question is, will the effect on group c) be bigger than the effect on group b) ?
Imo that isn't likely, because the "loss" of the loyalty bonus would be the same, but the risk associated with joining the weaker realm is bigger than the risk of going to the winning zerg

Fixed rewards for staying in a realm (when staying in a realm isn't always a good thing for the server) do not help.
Flexible rewards that nudge players towards leaving winning realms and joining losing realms does. But we already have such a system, the underpopulation bonus. THAT system might need a rework/closer look so it can work better.

(That said, in the survey i still voted for yes, because according to the way the question was formulated it was a flat decision between "do you want more RPs or less RPs" and ofcourse most people want more RPs...i do too)
I doubt it will change anything, or solve a problem, but hey more RPs...yes please.