Isn't the 90 sec cool down for Volley a bit much for an initial "tweak"?

Not sure I even want to bring this up since there are so many scouts now (more than rangers last I checked) but...

I respect dev and their generally even-handed approach to tweaks/changes. Usually it is a "little at a time" and then see how things play out.

I feel the nerf to 90 secs for a cool down for Volley was way too much of an initial tweak. You have virtually removed it from the game.

Why not just double...or triple the cool down time and see what effect it has?

Just seems like that change was pretty heavy handed...I think it is safe to say this had a major negative impact on Hib as a realm due to the more prevalent reliance on this tool for keep offense/defense.

Seems a bit unfair to vicariously nerf, so abruptly, an entire realm because people cry on the forum about 1 class (rangers).

Sat 3 Oct 2020 7:01 PM by Kwall0311

I think keep sieges/defenses are much better off/much more fun for everyone without this ability.

Sat 3 Oct 2020 7:30 PM by gotwqqd

Who cares about how much damage or volley or shield snare

The issue is multiple numbers coordinating attacks from stealth
I often see 6+ of any of the archery classes mowing down anything coming their way...some likely assisting and/or grouping probably with voice comm as often I seem to get with 3 or 4 arrows within a 1/4 sec time

Only thing that will help is forcing them apart with a massive detection penalty when any are close to one another

Sun 4 Oct 2020 12:30 AM by Lokkjim

They originally planned to have a 3-minute cooldown. I think the issue is that there isn't a huge outcry for it, there's the occasional post every now and then but nothing like when the change was first announced. Maybe some archers are actually alright with a 90-second cooldown, or at least they aren't complaining anymore.

Sun 4 Oct 2020 12:35 AM by Kwall0311

If anything should be changed it should be the cost. 3 RA points tops, but i still wouldnt even get it then. However its much more reasonable than 8.

Sun 4 Oct 2020 4:30 PM by Sunkissed

I second every thing, Horus said!

With that volley nerf they simply removed a unique ability from all archers, it's simply not worth to invest 8 ra points for it in its current state!
In addition to that, it is also right, that this nerf forced players, who went solo before that nerf, to group now with other archers to get their kills. Now they are even "deadlier" especially for casters than before the nerf.

Why not just keep the timer as ist was and simply tone down the damage about 30-50% so volley can used as a rupting method...atm the complete ae-rupt domination is in the hands of wizards, who decide most keep-attacks and defences with gtaoe together with catapults.

Mon 5 Oct 2020 7:18 AM by Sepplord

Horus wrote: ↑
Sat 3 Oct 2020 6:53 PM
Just seems like that change was pretty heavy handed...I think it is safe to say this had a major negative impact on Hib as a realm due to the more prevalent reliance on this tool for keep offense/defense.

Seriously?
Would you elaborate that point please?
Because from my PoV i have a hard time thinking of reasons why Hibernia in particular relies on volley so much compared to the other two realms.

WHy does every complaint thread include a whine about how one complete realm is doomed because of it?

Sunkissed wrote: ↑
Sun 4 Oct 2020 4:30 PM
I second every thing, Horus said!

With that volley nerf they simply removed a unique ability from all archers, it's simply not worth to invest 8 ra points for it in its current state!
In addition to that, it is also right, that this nerf forced players, who went solo before that nerf, to group now with other archers to get their kills. Now they are even "deadlier" especially for casters than before the nerf.

Why not just keep the timer as ist was and simply tone down the damage about 30-50% so volley can used as a rupting method...atm the complete ae-rupt domination is in the hands of wizards, who decide most keep-attacks and defences with gtaoe together with catapults.

Uhh what? Volleynerf forces archers into groups? Because before Volley was the magical solo-archer tool for 1vs1?
What the fuck?
I agree that the server is nearing a problematic state with archerszergs oneshotting people out of stealth with no counterplay at all...but Volley surely isn't the reason these people are doing it

Mon 5 Oct 2020 1:29 PM by Horus

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 5 Oct 2020 7:18 AM
Horus wrote: ↑
Sat 3 Oct 2020 6:53 PM
Just seems like that change was pretty heavy handed...I think it is safe to say this had a major negative impact on Hib as a realm due to the more prevalent reliance on this tool for keep offense/defense.

Seriously?
Would you elaborate that point please?
Because from my PoV i have a hard time thinking of reasons why Hibernia in particular relies on volley so much compared to the other two realms.

WHy does every complaint thread include a whine about how one complete realm is doomed because of it?

Ranger were one of the most popular classes on Hib. There were many more rangers in the standard Hib BG and participating in keep offense / defense than their were scouts or hunters.

You take away the main tool of one of the main classes in a particular realm of course it hurts that realm more than other realms that did not use it as much.

It would be akin to taking away the ability to charm pets. Sure it technically would affect every realm but def would hit alb hardest based on charmed pet using population.

Mon 5 Oct 2020 1:52 PM by Sepplord

Horus wrote: ↑
Mon 5 Oct 2020 1:29 PM
Ranger were one of the most popular classes on Hib. There were many more rangers in the standard Hib BG and participating in keep offense / defense than their were scouts or hunters.

You take away the main tool of one of the main classes in a particular realm of course it hurts that realm more than other realms that did not use it as much.

It would be akin to taking away the ability to charm pets. Sure it technically would affect every realm but def would hit alb hardest based on charmed pet using population.

While there is some truth tro what you say (but that topic is still debatable) my question was more about why hibernia relies on volley-archers more than the other realms. What tools, for example, does midgard have that lets mid do without volley, while hibernia relies on volleyarchers?