Make respecs free - Phoenix Freeshard

Hi,
I suggest making respecs free via removing the 24h limitation. I think it harms more than it helps that you cannot respec. I have several toons i want to do multiple things with, such as DS/HOH, solo rvr, group rvr. Most classes need different specs for all the three things, so basically I limit myself to 1/3 of what I want to do. Leaving me ideling around when there are no friends online.
I do not see how restricting respecing behind a feather barrier is benefitial for the fun of people.
Especially newcomers will profit from that, since they can gain RR and do DS same time with different specs. Right now you have to have DS toons and RVR toons + maybe solo toons. Very annoying and limiting at least my game experience.
Regards

Thu 1 Oct 2020 9:46 AM by gotwqqd

Level another toon

Thu 1 Oct 2020 9:50 AM by keen

gotwqqd wrote: ↑
Thu 1 Oct 2020 9:46 AM
Level another toon

which then needs to be rr4 at least. thats with 8-12k/h + lvling at least 30h wasted of my life for all those chars and it will still never get higher than r4. whats the point of having 2x same toon? thats exactly what i mean with it harms fun of the game.
then i also need to play 2x same class just for solo/grp. i do not see the point.
whom does it harm to respec freely?

Thu 1 Oct 2020 10:14 AM by Freedomcall

Respec stones are there for you at affordable price.
Respec thing is part of the economy of this game.

Thu 1 Oct 2020 10:25 AM by keen

Freedomcall wrote: ↑
Thu 1 Oct 2020 10:14 AM
Respec stones are there for you at affordable price.
Respec thing is part of the economy of this game.

I am questioning why this needs to be part of the economy. Why cant I just respec as I need. It improves fun for everyone. I lack seeing how having it at a costs benefits anyones game experience.

Thu 1 Oct 2020 10:49 AM by Sepplord

keen wrote: ↑
Thu 1 Oct 2020 10:25 AM
I am questioning why this needs to be part of the economy. Why cant I just respec as I need. It improves fun for everyone. I lack seeing how having it at a costs benefits anyones game experience.

Which parts of the economy ARE important in your eyes then?
Should Equipment be free?
Should crafting be free?
Why isn't everything free?

And there are other connections besides JUST economical ones, for example:
Without the need for respeccs the rewards for Raids are decreased. Dragon for example would give almost no rewards at all and is already critical regarding it's rewards/effort ratios.

Thu 1 Oct 2020 10:58 AM by keen

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Thu 1 Oct 2020 10:49 AM
keen wrote: ↑
Thu 1 Oct 2020 10:25 AM
I am questioning why this needs to be part of the economy. Why cant I just respec as I need. It improves fun for everyone. I lack seeing how having it at a costs benefits anyones game experience.

Which parts of the economy ARE important in your eyes then?
Should Equipment be free?
Should crafting be free?
Why isn't everything free?

And there are other connections besides JUST economical ones, for example:
Without the need for respeccs the rewards for Raids are decreased. Dragon for example would give almost no rewards at all and is already critical regarding it's rewards/effort ratios.

I just asked for free respecs nothing more. I think it is a QoL that will increase players fun and hence is a good change. Templating I juust need to do once, crafting juust need to do once. Respecing is a continues thing that is why it should be free imo.

Thu 1 Oct 2020 11:06 AM by bigne88

Respec stone are a Money sink. Simple as that. As much as id love free respec always, could be implemented something like "free respec once every 24 hours".

Thu 1 Oct 2020 11:24 AM by keen

bigne88 wrote: ↑
Thu 1 Oct 2020 11:06 AM
Respec stone are a Money sink. Simple as that. As much as id love free respec always, could be implemented something like "free respec once every 24 hours".

Money sinks should be other things, such as cosmetics etc. and not stuff that hinders fun in game.
E.g. padding merchants are for free on Phoenix. Thats where you can charge fees. Stuff that is not needed but ppl still want it.

Thu 1 Oct 2020 11:25 AM by Nunki

I personally think that the costs of the respec stone itself is not the core hurdle. Respecs are damn effortable.

Some /commands to save and load certain skill/RA's templates, including quickbar settings, would be amazing.
This would result in a minimum time effort to respec/reskill/reassign the quickbars.

Thu 1 Oct 2020 1:14 PM by Sepplord

keen wrote: ↑
Thu 1 Oct 2020 11:24 AM
Stuff that is not needed but ppl still want it.

Quite ironic, because from my POV constantly respeccing is also something you don't need, just something you want

keen wrote: Templating I juust need to do once, crafting juust need to do once. Respecing is a continues thing that is why it should be free imo.

You know what would solve your problems and also only needs to be done once? Levelling another char for the other activity

And when you think about it, things that only need to be done once are REALLY BAD goldsinks...you are actually adding reasons why respeccs being a goldsink is such a good fit. Noone needs them, most people still want them, and you are never "done" which would put a plug into the sink (sorry for the bad pun)

Thu 1 Oct 2020 1:18 PM by keen

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Thu 1 Oct 2020 1:14 PM
keen wrote: ↑
Thu 1 Oct 2020 11:24 AM
Stuff that is not needed but ppl still want it.
Quite ironic, because from my POV constantly respeccing is also something you don't need, just something you want

keen wrote: Templating I juust need to do once, crafting juust need to do once. Respecing is a continues thing that is why it should be free imo.
You know what would solve your problems and also only needs to be done once? Levelling another char for the other activity

And when you think about it, things that only need to be done once are REALLY BAD goldsinks...you are actually adding reasons why respeccs being a goldsink is such a good fit. Noone needs them, most people still want them, and you are never "done" which would put a plug into the sink (sorry for the bad pun)

I need to level some toons 3x with your approach, solo, grp rvr, DS. This is why i would like to see respecs, so ppl can play how they want and dont need to level 3x a toon and put 3x 30h+ in to achieve sth free respecs would solve.
For solo and rvr I even need to rank them up twice in parallel.

Thu 1 Oct 2020 2:14 PM by Sepplord

you keep using the word need, while you are actually saying you want
i don't get why respeccs "need" to be free, because you want to be able to do DS / solo / grp-RvR on every toon constantly switching between them AND activities.

There are really few things besides respeccs that you spend money/BP for on this server. And the hoards of people in general are only growing bigger and bigger because everything gives enough rewards to more than sustain the activity. The leftover mainly get hoarded or used for one-time-sinks like templating and recurring things, the respeccs.

The purpose of respeccs isn't to respecc, do one DS, then respecc for 30minutes of solo, respecc again for an hour of group and then switch your toon to respecc three time in 2-3hours on that toon too. (but the option is still there for people who want to take it to the extreme like that, they just have to accept that a portion of their rewards gets eaten by the obsessive respeccing).

Thu 1 Oct 2020 3:00 PM by chewchew

one ds run yields a base feather reward of 8750 feathers.
thats enough for a full and ra respec.

i dont think there is a need for making them free.
a useful change would be to implement a merchant who sells respecs for f̶e̶a̶t̶h̶e̶r̶s̶ bps though.

edit: feathers -> bps

Thu 1 Oct 2020 3:13 PM by keen

chewchew wrote: ↑
Thu 1 Oct 2020 3:00 PM
one ds run yields a base feather reward of 8750 feathers.
thats enough for a full and ra respec.

i dont think there is a need for making them free.
a useful change would be to implement a merchant who sells respecs for feathers though.

they might be easy to come by on hib and alb, on mid this is not the case. anyway I see free respecs more for the situation that you have some time in the morning/ lunch break and want to do some quick solo on a char u like. in the evening u might have enough time to build a grp with ur friends and need another spec. or one of ur chars is worngly speced for your group. would give players much more versatility and overall enjoyment of the game.
right now this is only possible in try hard mode, so majoirty is cut off. but everyone would benefit from it and could have fun for whatever they have time for.

Thu 1 Oct 2020 3:22 PM by chewchew

keen wrote: ↑
Thu 1 Oct 2020 3:13 PM
chewchew wrote: ↑
Thu 1 Oct 2020 3:00 PM
one ds run yields a base feather reward of 8750 feathers.
thats enough for a full and ra respec.

i dont think there is a need for making them free.
a useful change would be to implement a merchant who sells respecs for feathers though.
they might be easy to come by on hib and alb, on mid this is not the case. anyway I see free respecs more for the situation that you have some time in the morning/ lunch break and want to do some quick solo on a char u like. in the evening u might have enough time to build a grp with ur friends and need another spec. or one of ur chars is worngly speced for your group. would give players much more versatility and overall enjoyment of the game.
right now this is only possible in try hard mode, so majoirty is cut off. but everyone would benefit from it and could have fun for whatever they have time for.

nothing says non-tryhard casual like a good ole stroll through daoc in the lunch break

Thu 1 Oct 2020 7:38 PM by imweasel

bigne88 wrote: ↑
Thu 1 Oct 2020 11:06 AM
Respec stone are a Money sink. Simple as that. As much as id love free respec always, could be implemented something like "free respec once every 24 hours".

Respec stones are not a money sink. They might be a feather/no sink if you buy from npc merchant. One's that are off of a players merchant are not.

Either way, they are not a money sink.

Thu 1 Oct 2020 7:50 PM by Ibs

Slightly off topic, wish they'd sell a greater Respec that would let you respec as many times as you wish in a limited time frame (30 minutes? 1 hr?). This would be so nice for higher rr toons that can't make a separate character to test things, nor do they have to go through ra/full respecs like toilet paper to decide on a spec.

Fri 2 Oct 2020 12:20 PM by keen

I dont know, for me it sounds more like ppl are very traaditional and think everything has to cost sth,instead of making respecs free so ppl can enjoy the game as they want to play and as they have time when they login. Instead we have a wall of respecs preventing us enjoying our chars full potential.
In the spirit of the recent changes with more progressive style I think this would add a lot too. Could also make 1week free respec event and ask ppl afterwards if they enjoyed it or if they want to go back to beeing restricted.

Fri 2 Oct 2020 12:47 PM by gotwqqd

Gold=nickle
Feather=penny

Fri 9 Oct 2020 8:47 PM by MisterCotton

Personally I would love to see Realm respecs free but career can stay at cost.

Fri 9 Oct 2020 9:00 PM by Helwyr

No, it's still an RPG game, you need to make choices, not be able to do everything on a whim. If anything respecs should be much harder to access.

Fri 9 Oct 2020 10:34 PM by bigne88

MisterCotton wrote: ↑
Fri 9 Oct 2020 8:47 PM
Personally I would love to see Realm respecs free but career can stay at cost.

Yessss

Fri 9 Oct 2020 11:51 PM by gotwqqd

MisterCotton wrote: ↑
Fri 9 Oct 2020 8:47 PM
Personally I would love to see Realm respecs free but career can stay at cost.

This
Every few rp you get it likely changes optimum setup