Current state of Phoenix.

Started 13 Sep 2020
by clausemand1978
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When phoenix started with old frontier it was fantastic with 3-4k players, then you made some really bad decisions like to vote for old or new frontier, obviously all the 8 man groups from the other freeshards voted on nf and down the players went. Perhaps you should asked the people that invested nearly 20 years in the same game ? or simple stuck to what you started with, nf is nowhere near as good as of but its not a total disaster.

i can live with some of the bad changes, what made me switch to live was the nerfing of all trash solo farming, i know i can do darkspire, legion and all that, i'm more of a do it yourself kind of person like others, there needs to be more than group content in pve.

Also i respect your decision to prevent buffbots to spare the server, but universal buffs has been important part of daoc for most of its lifetime except at release, alch buffs just doesn't cut it for rvr, we ned to have buff tokens period for all the small man groups and stealthers, that will add more than just 8 man groups to rvr, which is good for all parties as this means more realm points for 8 man as they're the ones who has most to gain from this like the leechers that they are, more different aspects in rvr means more players participate, otherwise you end up having a 8 man server like previous freeshards did, yup played on them all.

Farming feathers solo is a waste of time these days, we shouldn't be forced to join groups to farm money for templates, yes i know you can salvage and waste your time farming feathers in lyn barfog or lyonesse, it's just not good enough.
Sun 13 Sep 2020 9:06 PM by gruenesschaf
clausemand1978 wrote:
Sun 13 Sep 2020 8:59 PM
When phoenix started with old frontier it was fantastic with 3-4k players, then you made some really bad decisions like to vote for old or new frontier, obviously all the 8 man groups from the other freeshards voted on nf and down the players went.

This is completely accurate because every single mmo / server launch always retains the full launch population until changes are made and only then do people leave as could also be seen by the uthgard 2 launch, wait what?
Sun 13 Sep 2020 10:48 PM by jonl
gruenesschaf wrote:
Sun 13 Sep 2020 9:06 PM
clausemand1978 wrote:
Sun 13 Sep 2020 8:59 PM
When phoenix started with old frontier it was fantastic with 3-4k players, then you made some really bad decisions like to vote for old or new frontier, obviously all the 8 man groups from the other freeshards voted on nf and down the players went.

This is completely accurate because every single mmo / server launch always retains the full launch population until changes are made and only then do people leave as could also be seen by the uthgard 2 launch, wait what?

new servers always drop in population, but lets not pretend you guys haven't made some bad decisions since launch
Sun 13 Sep 2020 10:55 PM by gruenesschaf
jonl wrote:
Sun 13 Sep 2020 10:48 PM
new servers always drop in population, but lets not pretend you guys haven't made some bad decisions since launch

Yet there is no real way to quantify the effect of any given change in either direction aside from obvious stuff like events = short spike or pandemic = long spike.
Sun 13 Sep 2020 10:57 PM by jonl
gruenesschaf wrote:
Sun 13 Sep 2020 10:55 PM
jonl wrote:
Sun 13 Sep 2020 10:48 PM
new servers always drop in population, but lets not pretend you guys haven't made some bad decisions since launch

Yet there is no real way to quantify the effect of any given change in either direction aside from obvious stuff like events = short spike or pandemic = long spike.

head in the sand
Mon 14 Sep 2020 12:33 AM by LolaEbola
clausemand1978 wrote:
Sun 13 Sep 2020 8:59 PM
When phoenix started with old frontier it was fantastic with 3-4k players, then you made some really bad decisions like to vote for old or new frontier, obviously all the 8 man groups from the other freeshards voted on nf and down the players went. Perhaps you should asked the people that invested nearly 20 years in the same game ? or simple stuck to what you started with, nf is nowhere near as good as of but its not a total disaster.

i can live with some of the bad changes, what made me switch to live was the nerfing of all trash solo farming, i know i can do darkspire, legion and all that, i'm more of a do it yourself kind of person like others, there needs to be more than group content in pve.

Also i respect your decision to prevent buffbots to spare the server, but universal buffs has been important part of daoc for most of its lifetime except at release, alch buffs just doesn't cut it for rvr, we ned to have buff tokens period for all the small man groups and stealthers, that will add more than just 8 man groups to rvr, which is good for all parties as this means more realm points for 8 man as they're the ones who has most to gain from this like the leechers that they are, more different aspects in rvr means more players participate, otherwise you end up having a 8 man server like previous freeshards did, yup played on them all.

Farming feathers solo is a waste of time these days, we shouldn't be forced to join groups to farm money for templates, yes i know you can salvage and waste your time farming feathers in lyn barfog or lyonesse, it's just not good enough.

I’m not into 8 mans. Never have been. I also prefer NF. Just wanted to get that out there.
Mon 14 Sep 2020 1:49 AM by dbeattie71
NF >>>>>>> OF.

And I voted no to NF. I was wrong.
Mon 14 Sep 2020 3:04 AM by ExcretusMaximus
The only people who like OF over NF are milegate campers.
Mon 14 Sep 2020 5:59 AM by inoeth
ExcretusMaximus wrote:
Mon 14 Sep 2020 3:04 AM
The only people who like OF over NF are milegate campers.

all albs and ppl who never played NF

clausemand1978 wrote: When phoenix started with old frontier it was fantastic with 3-4k players, then you made some really bad decisions like to vote for old or new frontier, obviously all the 8 man groups from the other freeshards voted on nf and down the players went. Perhaps you should asked the people that invested nearly 20 years in the same game ? or simple stuck to what you started with, nf is nowhere near as good as of but its not a total disaster.

everybody had the chance to vote, if did not then thats your fault. but come here and claim that only 8 mans voted is a liar and just shows that you dont want to be constructive in any way, just blaming others for your own fault.
Mon 14 Sep 2020 8:31 PM by Nephamael
When phoenix started with old frontier it was fantastic with 3-4k players

A natural player drop after a while is unavoidable. Many people play many games and DaoC is just one of them.
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Old frontier is no viable option because camping the milegates with sufficient numbers can choke the entire action for one realm for a long time.

It is also easy to choke any other content but zerg with just a few groups camping or a stealth zerg.
New frontiers is the best we can have and we have it.
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The Phoenix team did hands down the best job at fixing plenty of the natural flaws of classic DaoC (yes i also played on many freeshards).
That does not mean all changes were good for the server population and it does not mean the fixing of natural flaws is done yet - it will probably never be.
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The most pressing fixing that still misses is: Content for smallman and solo - those very fundamental contents of DaoC need to be improved for the server health!

i recommend /fair toggle /fair list /fair cleanfight or automatic cleanfight rewards equivalent to /gvg cleanfight (1v1 = 125 RPs, 2v2 = 250 RPs and so on)
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I recommend increasing new player xp bonuses to 100% per new player without downscaling.
I recommend lifting the harsh nerf on instance bonus for xp groups - at least set the limit before it starts to downscale to 500% xp (for a grp of 8) and add all completions of a group together before downscaling.
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I recommend reducing keep guards in general to open keeptaking/keepfights for low pop hours. Zerg is the most fundamental content in the game, especially for new players it is the most important RvR content! - keeps currently holding a relic could be an exception to prevent night raids, or not, this can be discussed surely -
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I recommend adjusting the realm timer to allow xping in the frontier - my idea is to ban xpers with a timer from reading all frontier chat for 4h instead of from entering the frontier with all toons that are lvl1-47 - if they cant read bg/region chat, where is the harm? spying should be prevented by this and i know all active zergleaders highly dislike spying anyway and try to play the zerg vs zerg as fair as they can.
Thu 17 Sep 2020 5:12 AM by nkeplinger1
gruenesschaf wrote:
Sun 13 Sep 2020 10:55 PM
jonl wrote:
Sun 13 Sep 2020 10:48 PM
new servers always drop in population, but lets not pretend you guys haven't made some bad decisions since launch

Yet there is no real way to quantify the effect of any given change in either direction aside from obvious stuff like events = short spike or pandemic = long spike.

Science rockets.. this custom hib server is pretty cool, though!!
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