Throwing Knives have 68% chance to miss

Started 10 Sep 2020
by Siouxsie
in Resolved Issues
I'm fairly sure they're not supposed to have this high of a miss rate.

Issue Timeline

10 Sep 2020 Siouxsie created this issue
11 Oct 2020 Uthred triaged this issue
11 Oct 2020 Uthred changed the status of this issue from new to backlog
7 May 2021 gruenesschaf assigned this issue from Nobody to gruenesschaf
7 May 2021 gruenesschaf changed the status of this issue from in_progress to resolved
Thu 10 Sep 2020 12:12 PM by Bradekes
Are your axes/knives enchanted?
Thu 10 Sep 2020 12:15 PM by Centenario
Thrown weapon are damage table factor 18 for SB and 22 for Warrior and Zerk.
Like all ranged attacks, the weaponskill and damage multiplier should be 100% based on Dexterity.

DAMAGE_MODIFIER = LEVEL
* DAMAGE_TABLE / 10
* (1 + 0.01 * STATS)
* (0.9 + 0.1 * MAX(1, STRENGTH_RELIC_COUNT))
* (0.75 + 0.5 * MIN(ENEMY_LEVEL + 1, SPEC - 1) / (ENEMY_LEVEL + 1) + 0.01 * RANDOM(50))
/ ENEMY_ARMOR
* (1 - ENEMY_BUFFED_ABSORB)
* (1 - ENEMY_RESISTANCE)

Damage modifier on sb at lvl 50 with 1+13 spec, 300dex, on an enemy lvl 50 with 180 armor (102 AF, 27% absorb, 5 spec af bonus = 102+20+10=127/0.73=180)
50
*18/10=1.8
*(1+0.01*300/2)=2.5
*0.9+0.1=1
*(0.75+0.5*13/52+0.01*25=1.125
/180
*(1-0.27)=0.73
*(1-0.26)=0.74

50*1.8*2.5*1*1.125=253.13
/180=1.406
*0.73= 1.0266
*0.74= 0.7597

So damage modifier is 0.7597
If we verify with damage:
DPS=16.5*2*10=330*(0.94+2*0.03)=330
Base Damage = 330*0.7597=250 after resists damage.


sb at lvl 50 with 1+13 spec, 300dex, on an enemy lvl 50 with 180 armor should do 250 base damage per hit.

It doesnt solve this issue about hit chances, but I just stop cause there is something fundamentally wrong with my data here.

Are you lvl 1 hitting a target lvl 50?
Thu 10 Sep 2020 12:19 PM by Sepplord
and how does that relate to misschance...you know...the thing that is the topic here?
Thu 10 Sep 2020 12:20 PM by Centenario
It doesnt solve this issue about hit chances, but I just stop cause there is something fundamentally wrong with my data here.

Are you lvl 1 hitting a target lvl 50?
Thu 10 Sep 2020 12:22 PM by Centenario
Also did you enchant your lvl 50-51 weapon for 35% increased to-hit chances?
Thu 10 Sep 2020 12:51 PM by Centenario
For all I know you could be a lvl 8 norse sb with 60dex using lvl 50 weapons on a target dummy
Thu 10 Sep 2020 2:28 PM by Siouxsie
Never mind.
Once they were enchanted miss rate dropped to 33%. Still kind of high if you ask me (1 in 3 chance to miss)
And yes, this was lvl 50 shadowblade fully temped,using the arcanium throwing knives (highest level to craft) vs lvl 50 dummy.
Thu 10 Sep 2020 3:39 PM by Bradekes
Siouxsie wrote: ↑
Thu 10 Sep 2020 2:28 PM
Never mind.
Once they were enchanted miss rate dropped to 33%. Still kind of high if you ask me (1 in 3 chance to miss)
And yes, this was lvl 50 shadowblade fully temped,using the arcanium throwing knives (highest level to craft) vs lvl 50 dummy.

I'm not sure how throwing weapons work TBH. Maybe they have different accuracy/range/damage like arrows? Or maybe they are being treated like arrows on here with low accuracy maybe it is a bug? Try putting some arrows in your quiver with high accuracy just for fun.
Sun 13 Sep 2020 8:06 PM by Siouxsie
Bradekes wrote: ↑
Thu 10 Sep 2020 3:39 PM
I'm not sure how throwing weapons work TBH. Maybe they have different accuracy/range/damage like arrows? Or maybe they are being treated like arrows on here with low accuracy maybe it is a bug? Try putting some arrows in your quiver with high accuracy just for fun.
Shadowblades do not use quivers, only Hunters do (and other archer classes)
The throwing knives go into the ranged slot and are fired by pressing the ranged fire button twice.

33% chance to resist does seem high and they don't hit for a whole lot. I know the spd is like 2.0 but it should
still do >100 damage and hit more often.
Sun 13 Sep 2020 10:01 PM by Bradekes
Siouxsie wrote: ↑
Sun 13 Sep 2020 8:06 PM
Bradekes wrote: ↑
Thu 10 Sep 2020 3:39 PM
I'm not sure how throwing weapons work TBH. Maybe they have different accuracy/range/damage like arrows? Or maybe they are being treated like arrows on here with low accuracy maybe it is a bug? Try putting some arrows in your quiver with high accuracy just for fun.
Shadowblades do not use quivers, only Hunters do (and other archer classes)
The throwing knives go into the ranged slot and are fired by pressing the ranged fire button twice.

33% chance to resist does seem high and they don't hit for a whole lot. I know the spd is like 2.0 but it should
still do >100 damage and hit more often.

I understand SB don't use quiver.. i was wondering if thrown was glitched and to attempt to put arrows in your quiver to see if it affected your hit %

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