Custom Class Change: Mentalist & Eld

1. Purposing the idea of mentalist insta recharm to break CC and being able to steal minst pet. This would help out hib hybrid/caster groups big time and force the minstrel to control his pet.

2. Since eldy's only nuke off baseline damage on classic, you should considering raising the baseline heat nuke for elds only. Increase baseline heat damage for elds from 179 to 185-190.. It is pretty clear that hib caster damage is the weakest on this server in comparison to both mid and alb. Especially on this server where hib relies heavily on an eld to play multiple rolls (NS/Disease/Assist), with updated heals on this server a tank target (probably with AoM and resist) and without disease on the tank they are likely to survive (especially at lower rank on hib casters).
- Mids have shamans who assist the MA with disease
- Albs have emerald pet they can swap from target to target that insta diseases the target for them.

Thu 4 Oct 2018 7:02 PM by rubaduck

Ajeezylolz wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Oct 2018 6:29 PM
2. Since eldy's only nuke off baseline damage on classic, you should considering raising the baseline heat nuke for elds only. Increase baseline heat damage for elds from 179 to 185-190.. It is pretty clear that hib caster damage is the weakest on this server in comparison to both mid and alb. Especially on this server where hib relies heavily on an eld to play multiple rolls (NS/Disease/Assist), with updated heals on this server a tank target (probably with AoM and resist) and without disease on the tank they are likely to survive (especially at lower rank on hib casters).
- Mids have shamans who assist the MA with disease
- Albs have emerald pet they can swap from target to target that insta diseases the target for them.

I really don't see your argument here... So because they have a support role as an eld, they should be rewarded with more damage? Eldritch are one of the few casters that can go a tri spec, and still be effective, it all comes down to how many buttons you want to press and how much responsability you want. In my opinion the eldritch are one of the most streamlined classes because they can do so much varied group play.

If you want more damage because Eld is supporting, Should theurgs also get it then? because they are also considered as a support. They need to find priority targets and keep them interrupted before they can nuke. What about suppression RM's, if supp RM's are running they are running with a a melee train, shouldn't they be allowed to do more damage just because they only have pbt and NS? Giving one class a benefit without looking to support in other groups and balancing it out is a one way ticket to destroying the group dynamics in the game.

The eldritch is a support caster with red NS, blue disease who can still blow up a heat debuffed target with their baseline heat nuke. It is not a weak caster, it is just not a light mentalist. If you want to play a pure nuker, play light menty and the problem is solved. I am trying to not be salty, but you are asking to change the whole dynamic of the strongest caster groups, just because eld is considered a support. Because that's what hibernia caster groups are. On paper, hib caster groups can get a free win every 30 minutes. Maybe not on low RR, but def after RR5-RR6.

Thu 4 Oct 2018 7:29 PM by defiasbandit

Eld do not need buffs. What is this?

Thu 4 Oct 2018 7:33 PM by Ajeezylolz

Sure, Elds have the most utility in the game. The argument is that the time the eld spends diseasing a target then nuking it takes away from the DPS of the group. By the time an eld diseases a tank and nukes it the heat debuff is already worn out after 1 nuke especially on a tank with resist and AOM. Alb has the luxury of keeping the emerald pet back and bouncing it from target to target without having to waste time casting disease. Mid has the luxury of a shaman assist diseasing on the target.

Mids normally run RCRM SM BD their dps is far superior to hib and probably the strongest on the server.
Alb has cab body sorc mind sorc. Cabs out dps enchanters, and a mind sorc is doing just as much damage on the debuff as an eld currently..

So yes - elds should be getting a slight damage increase in their baseline nuke. How many hib hybrid groups have u seen out?? 0 .. you guys play hib caster and have won virutally 0 8v8's. I played the entire alpha as a hib hybrid and I have said it since then that hib caster train is currently the weakest.. Slightly increasing elds baseline heat nuke will even the playing field..

Fri 5 Oct 2018 12:04 AM by Takii

I don't know in what alternate reality you played classic DAoC to think Mentalists and Elds are in any way weak and need anything.

Fri 5 Oct 2018 12:09 AM by Ajeezylolz

?? pretty clear u dont play this server if you think mentys should not get insta recharm, and elds baseline nuke should be increased .. sad lmao.. As I said 0 hib hybrid groups in comparison to all the mid caster hybrid groups and alb

Fri 5 Oct 2018 2:57 AM by defiasbandit

Takii wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Oct 2018 12:04 AM
I don't know in what alternate reality you played classic DAoC to think Mentalists and Elds are in any way weak and need anything.

He wants to give Eld the same DD damage as a Wizard lol.

Fri 5 Oct 2018 3:48 AM by Ajeezylolz

Wrong wizzes have a 209 spec nuke with a 10-% heat resist debuff attached to it. I want to see it go up from 179 to 189 at least

Fri 5 Oct 2018 6:10 AM by Leith

Ajeezylolz wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Oct 2018 3:48 AM
Wrong wizzes have a 209 spec nuke with a 10-% heat resist debuff attached to it. I want to see it go up from 179 to 189 at least

Uhm, just ice has the 10% debuff and has a delve of 171. The fire spec nuke is 219 without a debuff component

Fri 5 Oct 2018 7:11 AM by faliv

Ajeezylolz wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Oct 2018 3:48 AM
Wrong wizzes have a 209 spec nuke with a 10-% heat resist debuff attached to it. I want to see it go up from 179 to 189 at least

Specc light, enjoy the same nuke as the wizzard.

Fri 5 Oct 2018 8:26 AM by Druth

The reason for few hib caster groups, is not that they are weak, but that hib tank/naturalist groups are so strong, and they still often run eldritch because it's just that good.

Mids/albs have to spec weak lines to get debuff, enchanter gets pbaoe which is very usefull for sieges/clearing pets.

Fri 5 Oct 2018 8:46 AM by inoeth

Ajeezylolz wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Oct 2018 12:09 AM
?? pretty clear u dont play this server if you think mentys should not get insta recharm, and elds baseline nuke should be increased .. sad lmao.. As I said 0 hib hybrid groups in comparison to all the mid caster hybrid groups and alb

pretty clear you dont play here, trolling around lol

Fri 5 Oct 2018 11:21 AM by Takii

Ajeezylolz wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Oct 2018 12:09 AM
?? pretty clear u dont play this server if you think mentys should not get insta recharm, and elds baseline nuke should be increased .. sad lmao.. As I said 0 hib hybrid groups in comparison to all the mid caster hybrid groups and alb

Setting aside the obvious problem that this server isn't live yet and that there's not enough people playing for it to be in any way a valid sample size, I don't need to be playing here to know that Hib casters and Hib hybrid groups are absolutely fine because I played a Hib caster in a hybrid group to RR10 in classic.

Fri 5 Oct 2018 6:44 PM by vulna

Ajeezylolz wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Oct 2018 6:29 PM
1. Purposing the idea of mentalist insta recharm to break CC and being able to steal minst pet.

Both are possible now, are they not?

Making the ment pulse charm insta certainly makes stealing a pet 10x easier, but it should still be possible with the 3s cast time. A stun or snare on the pet at the right time should create a window.

Is that not how it works?

Sat 6 Oct 2018 4:09 AM by teiloh

Ment getting insta recharm with no power was a good change on live.

Being able to steal a Minstrel pet, however, would be silly.

Sat 6 Oct 2018 4:27 PM by daocgod

the loss of nearsight advantage really hurts hib casters. don't know why people that have never touched a caster in a competitive setting are commenting.

Sat 6 Oct 2018 5:15 PM by vulna

Elds having the only spammable rupt over 1500 range is really what hurts hib hybrid/caster setups.

Wed 10 Oct 2018 5:13 PM by rubaduck

Ajeezylolz wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Oct 2018 7:33 PM
Sure, Elds have the most utility in the game. The argument is that the time the eld spends diseasing a target then nuking it takes away from the DPS of the group. By the time an eld diseases a tank and nukes it the heat debuff is already worn out after 1 nuke especially on a tank with resist and AOM. Alb has the luxury of keeping the emerald pet back and bouncing it from target to target without having to waste time casting disease. Mid has the luxury of a shaman assist diseasing on the target.

Mids normally run RCRM SM BD their dps is far superior to hib and probably the strongest on the server.
Alb has cab body sorc mind sorc. Cabs out dps enchanters, and a mind sorc is doing just as much damage on the debuff as an eld currently..

So yes - elds should be getting a slight damage increase in their baseline nuke. How many hib hybrid groups have u seen out?? 0 .. you guys play hib caster and have won virutally 0 8v8's. I played the entire alpha as a hib hybrid and I have said it since then that hib caster train is currently the weakest.. Slightly increasing elds baseline heat nuke will even the playing field..

Ok, take out the fact that the role of an eldritch is more or less support, and then DPS, you are right. But that's not the case. They are considered support, and a secondary as DPS. There are nothing on eld specs that you can't get with a menty or enchanter that is better in any of the other specs. It has bolts yes, but it's not a wizard. This is a perfect example on the class imbalance the realm has, as hib don't carry bolters like mids do. You main job is to NS their NSer, set up the fight with disease and nuke overextenders and then NS whoever is the priority like healers or free casters. It is not a dps class when it brings utility like that, just as mind sorc is not a primary dps'er either. A heat debuffed target will be nuked out in 3-5 nukes, and caster groups usually run 4 casters where three are considered the primary DPS and the 4th an eld. Where is this considered weak?

There are hybrid groups in hib, we run it all the time if we have to. It is not ideal.... FOR US, but that doesn't mean it's not successful. Again, hib caster groups are one of the strongest RR scalers in the game. The difference from RR2 to RR5 and 6 is insane compared to the other realms.