solo question - Phoenix Freeshard

I would like to solo on this server, but find the buff through pots and charges very demotivating.

Any chance this will be addressed, to make solo a better option?

New to this board, so I apologize if this has already been discussed to death

Wed 3 Oct 2018 1:16 AM by defiasbandit

What is your issue with potions/charges. They exist to benefit solo players.

Wed 3 Oct 2018 1:29 AM by AngelRose

From what I have been told, on this server buffs pots are blue, and have to be farmed/crafted or bought. Charges are on timers, so takes 6 minutes to be fully buffed, till they start dropping and starting again

Wed 3 Oct 2018 1:38 AM by defiasbandit

AngelRose wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Oct 2018 1:29 AM
From what I have been told, on this server buffs pots are blue, and have to be farmed/crafted or bought. Charges are on timers, so takes 6 minutes to be fully buffed, till they start dropping and starting again

That is sort of how it works. What is it you would suggest in place of this? We have potions/charges to make players able to compete against casted buffs.

Wed 3 Oct 2018 1:59 AM by florin

2 considerations to think about besides buffs per se

-1 players need a money drain in the economy, otherwise everyone has 20 Mithrils and things cost so much that everyone that’s new needs a farming class just to get a template done.
2
-2 alchemists need to be viable and justify the 20p they put into training up to lgm.

So that works against the no buffs and npc buff options.

Built in buffs would negate the buff classes - similar to how adding speed would negate the speed classes.

Personally I’m in favor of no buff but what do you do against the bard blademaster combo that will tear up solos left and right?

In my opinion the gold bonus on rvr task might be or should be good enough that you don’t have to sit and farm for pots.

Wed 3 Oct 2018 2:03 AM by AngelRose

Why not full buff pots?

Personally, I would prefer buff bot, but I understand that is not allowed?

Wed 3 Oct 2018 4:40 AM by jelzinga_EU

AngelRose wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Oct 2018 2:03 AM
Why not full buff pots?

Personally, I would prefer buff bot, but I understand that is not allowed?

There are full buff potions, look up "combined forces" on housing - there are draughts of those which have 100 charges and provide all the buffs in 1 go.

Wed 3 Oct 2018 6:21 AM by Waygone

I think he's referring to "red" buff tokens from npc.
Doesn't want the measly "blue" buffs from player made alchemists. Wants them outta business. Even if they gave him the red buffs, he'd want purple ones to step up his game. Maybe even ask for the higher priced "obsidian" buffs available for GOD mode invincibility. (sarcasm off)

Wed 3 Oct 2018 6:34 AM by rubaduck

AngelRose wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Oct 2018 2:03 AM
Why not full buff pots?

Personally, I would prefer buff bot, but I understand that is not allowed?

Not gonna happen. The devs have said they're not giving anything but them buffs.

Wed 3 Oct 2018 9:20 AM by AngelRose

Of course I would want purple buffs. Why not give solo players an option to have purple buffs? It's a playstyle many people will want to play, but not being able to access purple buffs will keep some people who prefer solo play from playing this shard, and stay on live. This is supposed to be the shard option that has recognized that QOL is important

Soloing is a hard playstyle. Someone wants to make plat, so that means I have to have supbar buffs? Sorry, I am not going to play just to support crafters...their plat income is not my problem.

Wed 3 Oct 2018 10:32 AM by AngelRose

florin wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Oct 2018 1:59 AM
2 considerations to think about besides buffs per se

-1 players need a money drain in the economy, otherwise everyone has 20 Mithrils and things cost so much that everyone that’s new needs a farming class just to get a template done.
2
-2 alchemists need to be viable and justify the 20p they put into training up to lgm.

So that works against the no buffs and npc buff options.

Built in buffs would negate the buff classes - similar to how adding speed would negate the speed classes.

Personally I’m in favor of no buff but what do you do against the bard blademaster combo that will tear up solos left and right?

In my opinion the gold bonus on rvr task might be or should be good enough that you don’t have to sit and farm for pots.

1. There are plenty of ways to drain money, then to make solo players run around with blue buffs. Change the craftable pots to purple. Crafters have a wanted product, solo players dont have to play gimped 2. And to say buff pots would negate buff class is a joke. If you think that, then you do not know how to play classes that buff. Besides that, most players would still preferred to be buffed then pay for or craft pots. This would boost solo/smallman participation

Wed 3 Oct 2018 10:46 AM by florin

AngelRose wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Oct 2018 10:32 AM
florin wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Oct 2018 1:59 AM
2 considerations to think about besides buffs per se

-1 players need a money drain in the economy, otherwise everyone has 20 Mithrils and things cost so much that everyone that’s new needs a farming class just to get a template done.
2
-2 alchemists need to be viable and justify the 20p they put into training up to lgm.

So that works against the no buffs and npc buff options.

Built in buffs would negate the buff classes - similar to how adding speed would negate the speed classes.

Personally I’m in favor of no buff but what do you do against the bard blademaster combo that will tear up solos left and right?

In my opinion the gold bonus on rvr task might be or should be good enough that you don’t have to sit and farm for pots.

1. There are plenty of ways to drain money, then to make solo players run around with blue buffs. Change the craftable pots to purple. Crafters have a wanted product, solo players dont have to play gimped 2. And to say buff pots would negate buff class is a joke. If you think that, then you do not know how to play classes that buff. Besides that, most players would still preferred to be buffed then pay for or craft pots. This would boost solo/smallman participation

Negate a skill line as well as a class - kinda how endo pots are hurting paladin viability in rvr - besides low damage

Wed 3 Oct 2018 6:08 PM by poisonclover

make a farming character first, solo RvR is not cheap by any means.

Thu 4 Oct 2018 5:12 AM by Kaziera

And i dont see the problem in running a full buff pot and boostimg the most Important stat with a charge.

Thu 4 Oct 2018 5:57 AM by AngelRose

Kaziera wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Oct 2018 5:12 AM
And i dont see the problem in running a full buff pot and boostimg the most Important stat with a charge.

Are you saying you are ok with blue buffs? If so, how is that even playable as a solo toon? Do you solo? Most fights are against multiple numbers. Do you really want to try to fight a duo with a druid/cleric/sham..with blue buffs?

If that is the way it is on this server, no worries. I was just asking. I played solo 100% of the time, but quit live a while ago. Was hoping this would be a fun option, but maybe not the right server for me.

Thu 4 Oct 2018 6:08 AM by defiasbandit

AngelRose wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Oct 2018 5:57 AM
Kaziera wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Oct 2018 5:12 AM
And i dont see the problem in running a full buff pot and boostimg the most Important stat with a charge.

Are you saying you are ok with blue buffs? If so, how is that even playable as a solo toon? Do you solo? Most fights are against multiple numbers. Do you really want to try to fight a duo with a druid/cleric/sham..with blue buffs?

If that is the way it is on this server, no worries. I was just asking. I played solo 100% of the time, but quit live a while ago. Was hoping this would be a fun option, but maybe not the right server for me.

I agree potion buffs should be as good as druid/cleric/shaman buffs.

Thu 4 Oct 2018 7:51 AM by Kaziera

defiasbandit wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Oct 2018 6:08 AM
AngelRose wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Oct 2018 5:57 AM
Kaziera wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Oct 2018 5:12 AM
And i dont see the problem in running a full buff pot and boostimg the most Important stat with a charge.

Are you saying you are ok with blue buffs? If so, how is that even playable as a solo toon? Do you solo? Most fights are against multiple numbers. Do you really want to try to fight a duo with a druid/cleric/sham..with blue buffs?

If that is the way it is on this server, no worries. I was just asking. I played solo 100% of the time, but quit live a while ago. Was hoping this would be a fun option, but maybe not the right server for me.

I agree potion buffs should be as good as druid/cleric/shaman buffs.

I solo on my 2h paly and on my theurgist. On theurgist i use all buff pot and dq and int charge. Works fine, qc mez is a very good tool. On my paly i use all buff pots and sc charge. Unless i am outclassed or outplayed, its fine.

But if you expect to win as solo vs a duo with a healer, i cant help you.

Thu 4 Oct 2018 6:22 PM by rubaduck

defiasbandit wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Oct 2018 6:08 AM
AngelRose wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Oct 2018 5:57 AM
Kaziera wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Oct 2018 5:12 AM
And i dont see the problem in running a full buff pot and boostimg the most Important stat with a charge.

Are you saying you are ok with blue buffs? If so, how is that even playable as a solo toon? Do you solo? Most fights are against multiple numbers. Do you really want to try to fight a duo with a druid/cleric/sham..with blue buffs?

If that is the way it is on this server, no worries. I was just asking. I played solo 100% of the time, but quit live a while ago. Was hoping this would be a fun option, but maybe not the right server for me.

I agree potion buffs should be as good as druid/cleric/shaman buffs.

The druid shaman cleric buffs are stronger then their current values as most of them will spec RA to improve them. You make a bottom line for those who can't be a part of a buffed group or you don't make a bottom line at all. The phoenix team chose blue, as it is midline values, and they stuck with it.

If it were up to me, and you should be glad it ain't, no buff pots would be added at all.

Thu 4 Oct 2018 7:27 PM by defiasbandit

rubaduck wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Oct 2018 6:22 PM
defiasbandit wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Oct 2018 6:08 AM
AngelRose wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Oct 2018 5:57 AM
Are you saying you are ok with blue buffs? If so, how is that even playable as a solo toon? Do you solo? Most fights are against multiple numbers. Do you really want to try to fight a duo with a druid/cleric/sham..with blue buffs?

If that is the way it is on this server, no worries. I was just asking. I played solo 100% of the time, but quit live a while ago. Was hoping this would be a fun option, but maybe not the right server for me.

I agree potion buffs should be as good as druid/cleric/shaman buffs.

The druid shaman cleric buffs are stronger then their current values as most of them will spec RA to improve them. You make a bottom line for those who can't be a part of a buffed group or you don't make a bottom line at all. The phoenix team chose blue, as it is midline values, and they stuck with it.

If it were up to me, and you should be glad it ain't, no buff pots would be added at all.

Ya I know because players like you need full buffs and 7 teammates in order to rvr. Need every advantage possible and an unfair playing field. Ya we get it.

Fri 5 Oct 2018 12:17 AM by AngelRose

I don't really expect to win against a duo with cleric/sham/druid, but I would at least like a chance. IF played right, it can happen, but not with blue buffs.

But like I said, not here to argue, just looking for answer before trying this server.

Fri 5 Oct 2018 4:03 PM by rubaduck

defiasbandit wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Oct 2018 7:27 PM
Ya I know because players like you need full buffs and 7 teammates in order to rvr. Need every advantage possible and an unfair playing field. Ya we get it.

I beg your pardon, are you insuniating something that you have no grounds for? Do you stoop down to the level of a child in a kindergarten when you're out of arguments? Good riddance.

Fri 5 Oct 2018 4:05 PM by rubaduck

AngelRose wrote: ↑
Fri 5 Oct 2018 12:17 AM
I don't really expect to win against a duo with cleric/sham/druid, but I would at least like a chance. IF played right, it can happen, but not with blue buffs.

But like I said, not here to argue, just looking for answer before trying this server.

The answer is simple, as the devs have again and again said blue buff barrels is the only thing they'll implement to the server.