Charge is supposed to ignore CC effects or it just saves End?
Are these two abilities broken on this server?
Are these two abilities broken on this server?
Are Flurry and Charge broken?
Started 19 Aug 2020
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DinoTriz
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Wed 19 Aug 2020 10:16 AM
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Uthred
Uthred
They are working as intended. We dont have NF charge, but OF charge (on merc & bm), which is 10 secs sprinting without losing endurance, but no CC immunity.
Wed 19 Aug 2020 3:43 PM
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Johny Rousquille
and Mid ?
Wed 19 Aug 2020 5:32 PM
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Vindicator
Doesn't get either just 5% more damage than BM's and Mercs. No shield stun or any stuns in LA.
WTS 5% damage for slam/style review kthx.
Wed 19 Aug 2020 6:24 PM
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Noashakra
Mid get a better ability with vendo and much better dps.
Wed 19 Aug 2020 6:39 PM
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Uthred
Uthred
Mid never had OF charge, only BM & Merc. Zerks got charge when new ras, NF and ToA was introduced (somewhere around 1.68), but also charge was completely reworked at that point and cant be compared to OF charge as it is totally different.
Wed 19 Aug 2020 7:58 PM
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DinoTriz
"much better" dps...
It's like 3.8% more DPS.
Vendo has the potential to spike much more damage but it ranges anywhere between 10% - 100%.
I'd much rather have Triple Wield, personally.
Wed 19 Aug 2020 8:17 PM
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Noashakra
DinoTriz wrote: ↑Wed 19 Aug 2020 7:58 PM
"much better" dps...
It's like 3.8% more DPS.
Vendo has the potential to spike much more damage but it ranges anywhere between 10% - 100%.
I'd much rather have Triple Wield, personally.
No, it's 100% crit chance with 50% fixed crit damage now... Even before the change, sorry, but 15% dmg vs 100% crit chance and 10-100% crit damage... How can you prefer the former?
Now that MoP is crap it's even better because people don't go for MoP9, so it's even better.
Wed 19 Aug 2020 8:28 PM
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DinoTriz
Noashakra wrote: ↑Wed 19 Aug 2020 8:17 PMNo, it's 100% crit chance with 50% fixed crit damage now... Even before the change, sorry, but 15% dmg vs 50% more dmg on average... How can you prefer the former?
1. Triple Wield is not just 15% damage, but also accuracy AND crit immunity.
2. Triple Wield doesn't light you up like a christmas tree, inviting everyone and their grandmother to focus or CC you.
Vendo's crit damage is not worth the overall utility of BM or Merc.
We don't get shield slam because we do 3% more damage? lol
I would gladly trade my 1337 3% extra damage for a 9 sec stun and better positionals.
LA has Doublefrost (which is endo hungry) and Back chain. That's it.
If the damage was like Live, and 15.5% more than BM or Merc, it would probably be worth it. But 3%?
Wed 19 Aug 2020 8:36 PM
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thirian24
This isn't Dark Age of Mirrored Classes. Stop trying to make it that. The realms and classes are fairly unique, if you want shield slam in your light tank, then I'd suggest moving to Hib or Alb.
Wed 19 Aug 2020 8:37 PM
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Noashakra
First of all, I am not saying vendo is better than shield, only triple wield or fumble for groups.
Mid has the best tank assist. If you want the slam, you have the warrior
Do you really think people will cc a zerk with deter 9 and purge because he vendo? how
You have the warrior for your assist if you need a slam, which has better dmg and WS than the other heavy tanks, and he doesn't have to train two lines of weapons...
it's 3% more dps, but the 100% left hand hit = more procs. Also styles are much better in LA vs CS...
Realms are not the same it usually makes no sense to compare class per class...
Mid has the best tank assist. If you want the slam, you have the warrior
Do you really think people will cc a zerk with deter 9 and purge because he vendo? how
You have the warrior for your assist if you need a slam, which has better dmg and WS than the other heavy tanks, and he doesn't have to train two lines of weapons...
it's 3% more dps, but the 100% left hand hit = more procs. Also styles are much better in LA vs CS...
Realms are not the same it usually makes no sense to compare class per class...
Wed 19 Aug 2020 8:44 PM
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Gildar
Uthred wrote: ↑Wed 19 Aug 2020 6:39 PMMid never had OF charge, only BM & Merc. Zerks got charge when new ras, NF and ToA was introduced (somewhere around 1.68), but also charge was completely reworked at that point and cant be compared to OF charge as it is totally different.
Uthred is right, old OF charge was only for BM and Merc.
I try to remember but that change was made in 1.69 or in the patch that follow.
Wed 19 Aug 2020 9:00 PM
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DinoTriz
Noashakra wrote: ↑Wed 19 Aug 2020 8:37 PMFirst of all, I am not saying vendo is better than shield, only triple wield or fumble for groups.
Mid has the best tank assist. If you want the slam, you have the warrior
That's what everyone implies. "You don't have the utility because you have Vendo".
I'd probably take Dirty Tricks over Vendo too while we're at it. Sure, it's more situational and defensive but WAY more powerful.
Noashakra wrote: ↑Wed 19 Aug 2020 8:37 PMDo you really think people will cc a zerk with deter 9 and purge because he vendo? how
Yes. By snaring them. You also have 0 parry and evade while in Vendo mode.
Noashakra wrote: ↑Wed 19 Aug 2020 8:37 PMYou have the warrior for your assist if you need a slam, which has better dmg and WS than the other heavy tanks, and he doesn't have to train two lines of weapons...
So do other Light Tanks. They have Heavy Tanks too. A Warrior's damage table has nothing to do with anything. Berserkers don't always have a handy Warrior in their back pocket.
Noashakra wrote: ↑Wed 19 Aug 2020 8:37 PMit's 3% more dps, but the 100% left hand hit = more procs. Also styles are much better in LA vs CS...
And Steinvor (the axe every Berserker uses) has a haste proc....so that doesn't matter.
Also the LA styles are notoriously bad, are you serious?? No snare, no stun (except off a 3 chain evade). About the only thing decent is our Anytime, but it drains endo like crazy. Berserkers are so easy to play because LA styles are so lackluster.
Noashakra wrote: ↑Wed 19 Aug 2020 8:37 PMRealms are not the same it usually makes no sense to compare class per class...
I agree, but if one class lacks utility specifically because it does more damage - 3% is not sufficient enough. Which is why Live boosted it to 15.5% more.
Wed 19 Aug 2020 9:11 PM
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thirian24
If you're only spamming Double Frost, then maybe a different class is in your best interest. You should prob stay away from Savage too.
Wed 19 Aug 2020 9:57 PM
by
Freedomcall
DinoTriz wrote: ↑Wed 19 Aug 2020 8:28 PMNoashakra wrote: ↑Wed 19 Aug 2020 8:17 PMNo, it's 100% crit chance with 50% fixed crit damage now... Even before the change, sorry, but 15% dmg vs 50% more dmg on average... How can you prefer the former?
1. Triple Wield is not just 15% damage, but also accuracy AND crit immunity.
2. Triple Wield doesn't light you up like a christmas tree, inviting everyone and their grandmother to focus or CC you.
Vendo's crit damage is not worth the overall utility of BM or Merc.
We don't get shield slam because we do 3% more damage? lol
I would gladly trade my 1337 3% extra damage for a 9 sec stun and better positionals.
LA has Doublefrost (which is endo hungry) and Back chain. That's it.
If the damage was like Live, and 15.5% more than BM or Merc, it would probably be worth it. But 3%?
What do you mean by 15% dmg on BM tripled wield?
It is just a flat damage add.
Not exactly sure about the amount, but around 10.0 dps afaik.
And accuracy? you mean less miss rate?
Not sure about live triple wield, but there was no such thing in 1.65.
Immune to critical hits should be a thing cuz it was introduced at 1.62 though.
Wed 19 Aug 2020 9:59 PM
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Noashakra
Peeling is not a CC... That's why there is no immunity on it.
The BM is the same, if the zerk peels him, if he wants to block he has to turn and stop running after his target.
Man did you look at the CD styles? They are the worst of the three lines in term of dps, the to hit bonus are bad, the GR the worst. The only good things are the side stun and the back snare.
Mid has the buff endurance and celerity.
I find it funny that you think that a green flashy blade is better than the vendo that makes no light. Anyway people play with discord, so non issue.
Also, what? What about the axe and the haste proc? Don't you switch after it procs? I do that on all my toons. You can switch to another weapon with direct damage or LT...
The BM is the same, if the zerk peels him, if he wants to block he has to turn and stop running after his target.
Man did you look at the CD styles? They are the worst of the three lines in term of dps, the to hit bonus are bad, the GR the worst. The only good things are the side stun and the back snare.
Mid has the buff endurance and celerity.
I find it funny that you think that a green flashy blade is better than the vendo that makes no light. Anyway people play with discord, so non issue.
Also, what? What about the axe and the haste proc? Don't you switch after it procs? I do that on all my toons. You can switch to another weapon with direct damage or LT...
Wed 19 Aug 2020 10:03 PM
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DinoTriz
thirian24 wrote: ↑Wed 19 Aug 2020 9:11 PMIf you're only spamming Double Frost, then maybe a different class is in your best interest. You should prob stay away from Savage too.
I never said that's all I do.
But it's pretty much all you can do with the LA line, except for the back chain.
Every Berserker is pretty much forced to go Hammer if they want to add to the group.
And I already have a RR5 Savage. They're just as easy to play, yet more engaging due to H2H being light years better than LA.
So the "lol zerkers spam 1 button because they bad" is ridiculous. It's because LA doesn't allow you to do anything else.
Thu 20 Aug 2020 2:39 AM
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Lokkjim
Noashakra wrote: ↑Wed 19 Aug 2020 9:59 PMPeeling is not a CC... That's why there is no immunity on it.
The BM is the same, if the zerk peels him, if he wants to block he has to turn and stop running after his target.
Man did you look at the CD styles? They are the worst of the three lines in term of dps, the to hit bonus are bad, the GR the worst. The only good things are the side stun and the back snare.
Mid has the buff endurance and celerity.
I find it funny that you think that a green flashy blade is better than the vendo that makes no light. Anyway people play with discord, so non issue.
Also, what? What about the axe and the haste proc? Don't you switch after it procs? I do that on all my toons. You can switch to another weapon with direct damage or LT...
I was confused because you put CS in your last post instead of CD, that makes more sense now.
Thu 20 Aug 2020 5:46 AM
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Noashakra
ah my bad, no CS has the best styles in the game 
Thu 20 Aug 2020 7:57 AM
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Sepplord
i keep reading people listing "more proccs" because of 100%-offhand swings, but never noticing that results in more reactive-procc triggers on the enemy...and the defensive proccs have higher delves than their offense-counterparts, but lets just assume it cancels each other out.
That leaves Zerk with consistent offhand dmg and merc/bm with burst
And burst >>> consistent dmg, that's undeniable
That leaves Zerk with consistent offhand dmg and merc/bm with burst
And burst >>> consistent dmg, that's undeniable
Thu 20 Aug 2020 4:14 PM
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Vindicator
Noashakra wrote: ↑Wed 19 Aug 2020 8:37 PMFirst of all, I am not saying vendo is better than shield, only triple wield or fumble for groups.
Mid has the best tank assist. If you want the slam, you have the warrior
So you think triple wield isn't as good as vendo in groups? Why? What do you think triple wield does? Also the optics of goin vendo as discussed versus triple wield. How could a BM increasing their damage and mitagating damage not be good for the group?
Mercs dirty tricks isn't good for a group? Every seen an assist train with a Merc popping dirty tricks on them? You just see damage then? Flurry is front load damage on demand with 9s stun and new bleed rates stacked with Dual shadows?
Noashakra wrote: ↑Wed 19 Aug 2020 8:37 PMit's 3% more dps, but the 100% left hand hit = more procs. Also styles are much better in LA vs CS...
Realms are not the same it usually makes no sense to compare class per class...
just so it's clear what you are referring to. What styles in LA are so good in comparison to CD (I know you corrected from CS).
Also any comment on BM's having evade 3 despite same armor level as zerks, access to all damage types (the weapons/armour vulnerability), flurry, triple wield and charge (albeit broken it is still a free ability if ur ooe with a shield using class). I won't mention the Merc seeing as you seem to be coming from a hib perspective.
Thu 20 Aug 2020 6:14 PM
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Noashakra
Do you want to compare double frost with squall?
0.75GR vs 0.59
same to hit bonus
defense bonus 0vs-10
endurance 15 vs 10
The back chain has insane GR (0.95 1.10 1.25) for really low cost with good to hit bonus and no defense malus and a proc dd 95.
The CD back chain is kind of crap and compared to that (the last style is a detaunt...)
The only good thing for the BM is the side chain.
Also, the BM has acces to 3 kind of dmg, but nobody is crush on hib.
Vendo is better because when you use it, you want to doom your target, and it's more efficient than triple wield to kill a target because of the DPS an dburst.
0.75GR vs 0.59
same to hit bonus
defense bonus 0vs-10
endurance 15 vs 10
The back chain has insane GR (0.95 1.10 1.25) for really low cost with good to hit bonus and no defense malus and a proc dd 95.
The CD back chain is kind of crap and compared to that (the last style is a detaunt...)
The only good thing for the BM is the side chain.
Also, the BM has acces to 3 kind of dmg, but nobody is crush on hib.
Vendo is better because when you use it, you want to doom your target, and it's more efficient than triple wield to kill a target because of the DPS an dburst.
Yes, you switch target and it's over...Every seen an assist train with a Merc popping dirty tricks on them?
Thu 20 Aug 2020 7:07 PM
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Vindicator
Noashakra wrote: ↑Thu 20 Aug 2020 6:14 PMDo you want to compare double frost with squall?
0.75GR vs 0.59
same to hit bonus
defense bonus 0vs-10
endurance 15 vs 10
And what's DF to hit bonus? What's Squalls? Also you are trying to talk about damage and anytimers............
Noashakra wrote: ↑Thu 20 Aug 2020 6:14 PMThe back chain has insane GR (0.95 1.10 1.25) for really low cost with good to hit bonus and no defense malus and a proc dd 95.
The CD back chain is kind of crap and compared to that (the last style is a detaunt...)
What does detaunt have to do with anything? Also why are comparing back chain to back chain. What happened to not comparing like for like?
You didn't state the growth rates for that yet we're able to throw up LA growth rates no problem, you suit your self with these discussions and are only interested in promoting your opinion and view while ignoring overall balance.
While we are at it, what are the growth rates for the CD side chain? Funny you never mentioned the numbers. Why wouldn't you use that? Side style landing as opposed to rear. I know what I'd pick if I had the choice.
Noashakra wrote: ↑Thu 20 Aug 2020 6:14 PMAlso, the BM has acces to 3 kind of dmg, but nobody is crush on hib.
Yes but the choice is there and with weaponless temps and various weapons have desirable procs that can be /switched on for the effect and then quickly swapped back out. I'm not specifically targeting blunt here btw it's the options and choices that mercs and bms have.
Noashakra wrote: ↑Thu 20 Aug 2020 6:14 PMVendo is better because when you use it, you want to doom your target, and it's more efficient than triple wield to kill a target because of the DPS an dburst.
Well that's just your opinion. Vendo is like telling the enemy to sos. Then again if you are spamming anytimes and don't use superior side styles whenever you can it probably doesn't matter.
Fri 21 Aug 2020 6:26 AM
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Noashakra
The back chain of the bm gr is the same for the two last style but not the first. And you lack the proc on the last style you have a detaunt instead so huge dps difference.
It's a fact that CD has utility but crap styles compared to LA. And you can use your main weapon line because you have 39 in it as a BM.
Weaponless switch??? In which world a BL can have two weapon spec? He needs to be shield spec...the zerk has the same option to switch weapon procs...
And yeah I compare taunts because it's your main style that you use with your positionals...
Vendor telling your enemy to sos...
Against who are you playing lol?
Yeah side vs rear. One is affected by block and evade the other is not. Which one is the best? Rofl...
It's a fact that CD has utility but crap styles compared to LA. And you can use your main weapon line because you have 39 in it as a BM.
Weaponless switch??? In which world a BL can have two weapon spec? He needs to be shield spec...the zerk has the same option to switch weapon procs...
And yeah I compare taunts because it's your main style that you use with your positionals...
Vendor telling your enemy to sos...
Against who are you playing lol?
Yeah side vs rear. One is affected by block and evade the other is not. Which one is the best? Rofl...
Fri 21 Aug 2020 9:59 AM
by
gotwqqd
What exactly is Flurry supposed to do?
What does it do?
The tip is wrong
What does it do?
The tip is wrong
Fri 21 Aug 2020 10:26 AM
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DinoTriz
Noashakra wrote: ↑Fri 21 Aug 2020 6:26 AMThe back chain of the bm gr is the same for the two last style but not the first. And you lack the proc on the last style you have a detaunt instead so huge dps difference.
It's a fact that CD has utility but crap styles compared to LA. And you can use your main weapon line because you have 39 in it as a BM.
Weaponless switch??? In which world a BL can have two weapon spec? He needs to be shield spec...the zerk has the same option to switch weapon procs...
And yeah I compare taunts because it's your main style that you use with your positionals...
Vendor telling your enemy to sos...
Against who are you playing lol?
Yeah side vs rear. One is affected by block and evade the other is not. Which one is the best? Rofl...
You completely missed my point.
Berserkers don't even have a side style, which was my original point earlier: LA needs a side chain of some sort. It doesn't even have to be utility.
Berserkers aren't as complete as other light tanks. If their role is to do more damage but have less utility, then they need more damage because 3% more damage plus a dd proc on the 3rd style of a chain isn't worth it.
Live increased Berserker damage over other light tanks to 15.5% and they also gave the LA line side styles.
There's a reason why they did that.
Fri 21 Aug 2020 1:50 PM
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Cadebrennus
DinoTriz wrote: ↑Fri 21 Aug 2020 10:26 AMNoashakra wrote: ↑Fri 21 Aug 2020 6:26 AMThe back chain of the bm gr is the same for the two last style but not the first. And you lack the proc on the last style you have a detaunt instead so huge dps difference.
It's a fact that CD has utility but crap styles compared to LA. And you can use your main weapon line because you have 39 in it as a BM.
Weaponless switch??? In which world a BL can have two weapon spec? He needs to be shield spec...the zerk has the same option to switch weapon procs...
And yeah I compare taunts because it's your main style that you use with your positionals...
Vendor telling your enemy to sos...
Against who are you playing lol?
Yeah side vs rear. One is affected by block and evade the other is not. Which one is the best? Rofl...
You completely missed my point.
Berserkers don't even have a side style, which was my original point earlier: LA needs a side chain of some sort. It doesn't even have to be utility.
Berserkers aren't as complete as other light tanks. If their role is to do more damage but have less utility, then they need more damage because 3% more damage plus a dd proc on the 3rd style of a chain isn't worth it.
Live increased Berserker damage over other light tanks to 15.5% and they also gave the LA line side styles.
There's a reason why they did that.
How is the population on Live doing?
Fri 21 Aug 2020 2:16 PM
by
skipari
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑Fri 21 Aug 2020 1:50 PMDinoTriz wrote: ↑Fri 21 Aug 2020 10:26 AMNoashakra wrote: ↑Fri 21 Aug 2020 6:26 AMThe back chain of the bm gr is the same for the two last style but not the first. And you lack the proc on the last style you have a detaunt instead so huge dps difference.
It's a fact that CD has utility but crap styles compared to LA. And you can use your main weapon line because you have 39 in it as a BM.
Weaponless switch??? In which world a BL can have two weapon spec? He needs to be shield spec...the zerk has the same option to switch weapon procs...
And yeah I compare taunts because it's your main style that you use with your positionals...
Vendor telling your enemy to sos...
Against who are you playing lol?
Yeah side vs rear. One is affected by block and evade the other is not. Which one is the best? Rofl...
You completely missed my point.
Berserkers don't even have a side style, which was my original point earlier: LA needs a side chain of some sort. It doesn't even have to be utility.
Berserkers aren't as complete as other light tanks. If their role is to do more damage but have less utility, then they need more damage because 3% more damage plus a dd proc on the 3rd style of a chain isn't worth it.
Live increased Berserker damage over other light tanks to 15.5% and they also gave the LA line side styles.
There's a reason why they did that.
How is the population on Live doing?
Correlation does not imply causation
Fri 21 Aug 2020 5:43 PM
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Noashakra
Mid has a back snare in hammer. I know it forces them to spec in this line, but in the end the damage table is quite ok for hammer. I know one line is not cool for diversity, but it's not like if it was gimping the class.
BM have the back snare in dual but they are forced to use dual styles, which are far from great, because their weapon line is suck at 39.
Why do you want a side style? Honestly asking. Rear styles are much better. The only side snare is in blade, so you nerf your dmg overall on interesting targets if you go for this spec.
BM have the back snare in dual but they are forced to use dual styles, which are far from great, because their weapon line is suck at 39.
Why do you want a side style? Honestly asking. Rear styles are much better. The only side snare is in blade, so you nerf your dmg overall on interesting targets if you go for this spec.
Fri 21 Aug 2020 7:03 PM
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DinoTriz
Noashakra wrote: ↑Fri 21 Aug 2020 5:43 PMMid has a back snare in hammer. I know it forces them to spec in this line, but in the end the damage table is quite ok for hammer. I know one line is not cool for diversity, but it's not like if it was gimping the class.
BM have the back snare in dual but they are forced to use dual styles, which are far from great, because their weapon line is suck at 39.
Why do you want a side style? Honestly asking. Rear styles are much better. The only side snare is in blade, so you nerf your dmg overall on interesting targets if you go for this spec.
You know that all Light Tanks use their dual wield line 90% of the time, right?
You should be forced to use CD, because you're a Light Tank.
That's my point with LA. It's the Berserker's dual wield line. We use it 90% of the time. It doesn't even have a side style. Not one.
Like I said, it doesn't have to be a stun, snare, etc. You could make it a bleed that we could stack or something. Something in line with the Berserker's role (high damage without shield).
I just think the Berserker needs a tiny bit extra to balance out the fact that they don't get Slam, etc. Right now it's just 3% damage extra with auto attack.
I don't know about you, but I'd much rather have a shield with Slam over 3% extra damage.
Fri 21 Aug 2020 7:34 PM
by
Saroi
DinoTriz wrote: ↑Fri 21 Aug 2020 7:03 PMNoashakra wrote: ↑Fri 21 Aug 2020 5:43 PMMid has a back snare in hammer. I know it forces them to spec in this line, but in the end the damage table is quite ok for hammer. I know one line is not cool for diversity, but it's not like if it was gimping the class.
BM have the back snare in dual but they are forced to use dual styles, which are far from great, because their weapon line is suck at 39.
Why do you want a side style? Honestly asking. Rear styles are much better. The only side snare is in blade, so you nerf your dmg overall on interesting targets if you go for this spec.
You know that all Light Tanks use their dual wield line 90% of the time, right?
You should be forced to use CD, because you're a Light Tank.
That's my point with LA. It's the Berserker's dual wield line. We use it 90% of the time. It doesn't even have a side style. Not one.
Like I said, it doesn't have to be a stun, snare, etc. You could make it a bleed that we could stack or something. Something in line with the Berserker's role (high damage without shield).
I just think the Berserker needs a tiny bit extra to balance out the fact that they don't get Slam, etc. Right now it's just 3% damage extra with auto attack.
I don't know about you, but I'd much rather have a shield with Slam over 3% extra damage.
Well that is what he said. He said Rear styles are so much better and LA has the best one. Snowsquall combo is really strong with Aurora Borealis having a cold proc. The damage is by far more than 3%. Aurora Borealis with Mainhand, Offhand and the cold proc can hit for 300-400. If you have damage add and also Crit or even Vendo on, the damage can be 500-600 damage. On top of that if everything fails, LA has one of the best anytime to use.
You can't have everything. I think it is more than reasonable if you have a very strong anytime and Backchain that you don't get a sidechain.
For me as a SB I wouldn't trade my Doublefrost or Snowsquall chain for anything, not even a Sidestun.
Fri 21 Aug 2020 7:46 PM
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DinoTriz
Saroi wrote: ↑Fri 21 Aug 2020 7:34 PMWell that is what he said. He said Rear styles are so much better and LA has the best one. Snowsquall combo is really strong with Aurora Borealis having a cold proc. The damage is by far more than 3%. Aurora Borealis with Mainhand, Offhand and the cold proc can hit for 300-400. If you have damage add and also Crit or even Vendo on, the damage can be 500-600 damage. On top of that if everything fails, LA has one of the best anytime to use.
You can't have everything. I think it is more than reasonable if you have a very strong anytime and Backchain that you don't get a sidechain.
For me as a SB I wouldn't trade my Doublefrost or Snowsquall chain for anything, not even a Sidestun.
I don't see how Rear styles are better. It's just as easy to land side chains (ESPECIALLY when you have the stuns/snares other Light Tanks get).
Both Merc and BM's side styles are very similar to Zerk's back chain. Sure, they don't get the DD at the end, but they get the BEST dehaste and BM even has an opening stun wrapped in theirs, which makes it WAY more likely you can actually land the 3rd style.
And Doublefrost hits hard but you can only use it like 3 times before you run out of endo and that's WITH regen pots and spells
Fri 21 Aug 2020 7:58 PM
by
Saroi
DinoTriz wrote: ↑Fri 21 Aug 2020 7:46 PMSaroi wrote: ↑Fri 21 Aug 2020 7:34 PMWell that is what he said. He said Rear styles are so much better and LA has the best one. Snowsquall combo is really strong with Aurora Borealis having a cold proc. The damage is by far more than 3%. Aurora Borealis with Mainhand, Offhand and the cold proc can hit for 300-400. If you have damage add and also Crit or even Vendo on, the damage can be 500-600 damage. On top of that if everything fails, LA has one of the best anytime to use.
You can't have everything. I think it is more than reasonable if you have a very strong anytime and Backchain that you don't get a sidechain.
For me as a SB I wouldn't trade my Doublefrost or Snowsquall chain for anything, not even a Sidestun.
I don't see how Rear styles are better. It's just as easy to land side chains (ESPECIALLY when you have the stuns/snares other Light Tanks get).
Both Merc and BM's side styles are very similar to Zerk's back chain. Sure, they don't get the DD at the end, but they get the BEST dehaste and BM even has an opening stun wrapped in theirs, which makes it WAY more likely you can actually land the 3rd style.
And Doublefrost hits hard but you can only use it like 3 times before you run out of endo and that's WITH regen pots and spells
Merc side has no to hit, making it harder to land the chain and there are enough times a merc stuns, goes to the side and has a Miss. The second style from back chain has a better to hit than 2 side from Blademaster. THe Growth Rates are also higher for the first 2 style. Only the 3 in chain has the same 1.25. Dehaste is only good vs. Melees, but in normal RvR not so relevant, would only be interesting for maybe smallman or solo. If you take high interest in Dehaste, then you can also take it as a Berserker. Axe side has a 34% and it is no followup, it is first style making it even better than Merc/BM and as a Berserker you can easily go 50 LA and spec enough in 2 weapon lines.
If you go RvR and enemy is running then yes, it is easier to land back instead of Side. Opening with a 4 sec stun isn't really good unless you surely now the enemy will be dead. But this is also a difference in playstyle, since Merc/BM would more or less need to stun first while the Berserker is the one who should look on making damage and keeping the stuns etc. to either a warrior/thane in grp, maybe even Savage or Healer.
Fri 21 Aug 2020 10:40 PM
by
Gildar
DinoTriz wrote: ↑Fri 21 Aug 2020 7:46 PMSaroi wrote: ↑Fri 21 Aug 2020 7:34 PMWell that is what he said. He said Rear styles are so much better and LA has the best one. Snowsquall combo is really strong with Aurora Borealis having a cold proc. The damage is by far more than 3%. Aurora Borealis with Mainhand, Offhand and the cold proc can hit for 300-400. If you have damage add and also Crit or even Vendo on, the damage can be 500-600 damage. On top of that if everything fails, LA has one of the best anytime to use.
You can't have everything. I think it is more than reasonable if you have a very strong anytime and Backchain that you don't get a sidechain.
For me as a SB I wouldn't trade my Doublefrost or Snowsquall chain for anything, not even a Sidestun.
I don't see how Rear styles are better. It's just as easy to land side chains (ESPECIALLY when you have the stuns/snares other Light Tanks get).
Both Merc and BM's side styles are very similar to Zerk's back chain. Sure, they don't get the DD at the end, but they get the BEST dehaste and BM even has an opening stun wrapped in theirs, which makes it WAY more likely you can actually land the 3rd style.
And Doublefrost hits hard but you can only use it like 3 times before you run out of endo and that's WITH regen pots and spells
BM STUN style is useless .(apart solo duels).. anyone have already immunity timer on ... by slam and/or 100 stuns caster by Hib casters lol
Sat 22 Aug 2020 5:55 PM
by
Noashakra
the area to parry evade block is super large and goes the sides... so if your opener has 30/40% chances to not pass, it's a huge deal.
Rear chains don't have this problem.
And yeah the 4sec stun is useless in groups for the BM because he has slam.
Rear chains don't have this problem.
And yeah the 4sec stun is useless in groups for the BM because he has slam.
Sat 22 Aug 2020 6:50 PM
by
thirian24
DinoTriz wrote: ↑Fri 21 Aug 2020 7:46 PMSaroi wrote: ↑Fri 21 Aug 2020 7:34 PMWell that is what he said. He said Rear styles are so much better and LA has the best one. Snowsquall combo is really strong with Aurora Borealis having a cold proc. The damage is by far more than 3%. Aurora Borealis with Mainhand, Offhand and the cold proc can hit for 300-400. If you have damage add and also Crit or even Vendo on, the damage can be 500-600 damage. On top of that if everything fails, LA has one of the best anytime to use.
You can't have everything. I think it is more than reasonable if you have a very strong anytime and Backchain that you don't get a sidechain.
For me as a SB I wouldn't trade my Doublefrost or Snowsquall chain for anything, not even a Sidestun.
I don't see how Rear styles are better. It's just as easy to land side chains (ESPECIALLY when you have the stuns/snares other Light Tanks get).
Both Merc and BM's side styles are very similar to Zerk's back chain. Sure, they don't get the DD at the end, but they get the BEST dehaste and BM even has an opening stun wrapped in theirs, which makes it WAY more likely you can actually land the 3rd style.
And Doublefrost hits hard but you can only use it like 3 times before you run out of endo and that's WITH regen pots and spells
It is so painful to read your retorts as to why zerker needs a side style, your lack of understanding as to why the most powerful rear chain in the game is far superior to any side styles and hearing you cry about Double Frost.
1. You should never be using DF unless its as a follow in the queue.
2. If you have the time to setup for a side style, then you definitely have time to setup to use the rear chain.
3. Powerful rear chains are far better than any side chain, (pay attention here) because you can keep landing those powerful styles while your opponent is running from you.
4. You just want a side style b/c someone else has one.
Sat 22 Aug 2020 8:40 PM
by
DinoTriz
thirian24 wrote: ↑Sat 22 Aug 2020 6:50 PMDinoTriz wrote: ↑Fri 21 Aug 2020 7:46 PMSaroi wrote: ↑Fri 21 Aug 2020 7:34 PMWell that is what he said. He said Rear styles are so much better and LA has the best one. Snowsquall combo is really strong with Aurora Borealis having a cold proc. The damage is by far more than 3%. Aurora Borealis with Mainhand, Offhand and the cold proc can hit for 300-400. If you have damage add and also Crit or even Vendo on, the damage can be 500-600 damage. On top of that if everything fails, LA has one of the best anytime to use.
You can't have everything. I think it is more than reasonable if you have a very strong anytime and Backchain that you don't get a sidechain.
For me as a SB I wouldn't trade my Doublefrost or Snowsquall chain for anything, not even a Sidestun.
I don't see how Rear styles are better. It's just as easy to land side chains (ESPECIALLY when you have the stuns/snares other Light Tanks get).
Both Merc and BM's side styles are very similar to Zerk's back chain. Sure, they don't get the DD at the end, but they get the BEST dehaste and BM even has an opening stun wrapped in theirs, which makes it WAY more likely you can actually land the 3rd style.
And Doublefrost hits hard but you can only use it like 3 times before you run out of endo and that's WITH regen pots and spells
It is so painful to read your retorts as to why zerker needs a side style, your lack of understanding as to why the most powerful rear chain in the game is far superior to any side styles and hearing you cry about Double Frost.
1. You should never be using DF unless its as a follow in the queue.
2. If you have the time to setup for a side style, then you definitely have time to setup to use the rear chain.
3. Powerful rear chains are far better than any side chain, (pay attention here) because you can keep landing those powerful styles while your opponent is running from you.
4. You just want a side style b/c someone else has one.
They still need a side style.
Deal with it.
Live already has.
Sat 22 Aug 2020 9:38 PM
by
thirian24
DinoTriz wrote: ↑Sat 22 Aug 2020 8:40 PMthirian24 wrote: ↑Sat 22 Aug 2020 6:50 PMDinoTriz wrote: ↑Fri 21 Aug 2020 7:46 PMSaroi wrote: ↑Fri 21 Aug 2020 7:34 PMWell that is what he said. He said Rear styles are so much better and LA has the best one. Snowsquall combo is really strong with Aurora Borealis having a cold proc. The damage is by far more than 3%. Aurora Borealis with Mainhand, Offhand and the cold proc can hit for 300-400. If you have damage add and also Crit or even Vendo on, the damage can be 500-600 damage. On top of that if everything fails, LA has one of the best anytime to use.
You can't have everything. I think it is more than reasonable if you have a very strong anytime and Backchain that you don't get a sidechain.
For me as a SB I wouldn't trade my Doublefrost or Snowsquall chain for anything, not even a Sidestun.
I don't see how Rear styles are better. It's just as easy to land side chains (ESPECIALLY when you have the stuns/snares other Light Tanks get).
Both Merc and BM's side styles are very similar to Zerk's back chain. Sure, they don't get the DD at the end, but they get the BEST dehaste and BM even has an opening stun wrapped in theirs, which makes it WAY more likely you can actually land the 3rd style.
And Doublefrost hits hard but you can only use it like 3 times before you run out of endo and that's WITH regen pots and spells
It is so painful to read your retorts as to why zerker needs a side style, your lack of understanding as to why the most powerful rear chain in the game is far superior to any side styles and hearing you cry about Double Frost.
1. You should never be using DF unless its as a follow in the queue.
2. If you have the time to setup for a side style, then you definitely have time to setup to use the rear chain.
3. Powerful rear chains are far better than any side chain, (pay attention here) because you can keep landing those powerful styles while your opponent is running from you.
4. You just want a side style b/c someone else has one.
They still need a side style.
Deal with it.
Live already has.
Im gonna break this down for you, pay close attention to this part because its SUPER complicated.
This isn't live.
Now I know that this is a lot to take in, but "Deal with it."
GL with your new found knowledge.
Sun 23 Aug 2020 10:08 PM
by
DinoTriz
thirian24 wrote: ↑Sat 22 Aug 2020 9:38 PMIm gonna break this down for you, pay close attention to this part because its SUPER complicated.
This isn't live.
Now I know that this is a lot to take in, but "Deal with it."
GL with your new found knowledge.
What a weak reply.
Of course this isn't Live. Do you think I was implying it was?
This server takes place during a version with imperfections and imbalances.
A professional team of game developers decided Berserkers needed a side style, so they did the objectively smart thing and gave them one.
I trust their expertise over some angry neckbeard on the internet.
Maybe think before you type next time.
Mon 24 Aug 2020 6:09 AM
by
Noashakra
The same people that made TOA and Cata? Or the ones that basically turned every class into an hybrid?
Mon 24 Aug 2020 7:02 AM
by
Cadebrennus
DinoTriz wrote: ↑Sat 22 Aug 2020 8:40 PMthirian24 wrote: ↑Sat 22 Aug 2020 6:50 PMDinoTriz wrote: ↑Fri 21 Aug 2020 7:46 PMSaroi wrote: ↑Fri 21 Aug 2020 7:34 PMWell that is what he said. He said Rear styles are so much better and LA has the best one. Snowsquall combo is really strong with Aurora Borealis having a cold proc. The damage is by far more than 3%. Aurora Borealis with Mainhand, Offhand and the cold proc can hit for 300-400. If you have damage add and also Crit or even Vendo on, the damage can be 500-600 damage. On top of that if everything fails, LA has one of the best anytime to use.
You can't have everything. I think it is more than reasonable if you have a very strong anytime and Backchain that you don't get a sidechain.
For me as a SB I wouldn't trade my Doublefrost or Snowsquall chain for anything, not even a Sidestun.
I don't see how Rear styles are better. It's just as easy to land side chains (ESPECIALLY when you have the stuns/snares other Light Tanks get).
Both Merc and BM's side styles are very similar to Zerk's back chain. Sure, they don't get the DD at the end, but they get the BEST dehaste and BM even has an opening stun wrapped in theirs, which makes it WAY more likely you can actually land the 3rd style.
And Doublefrost hits hard but you can only use it like 3 times before you run out of endo and that's WITH regen pots and spells
It is so painful to read your retorts as to why zerker needs a side style, your lack of understanding as to why the most powerful rear chain in the game is far superior to any side styles and hearing you cry about Double Frost.
1. You should never be using DF unless its as a follow in the queue.
2. If you have the time to setup for a side style, then you definitely have time to setup to use the rear chain.
3. Powerful rear chains are far better than any side chain, (pay attention here) because you can keep landing those powerful styles while your opponent is running from you.
4. You just want a side style b/c someone else has one.
They still need a side style.
Deal with it.
Live already has.
Live is a shitshow and John @ Broadsword has already run Live into the ground. Bad example to compare to
Mon 24 Aug 2020 11:08 AM
by
DinoTriz
Gib side style or else
Mon 24 Aug 2020 1:30 PM
by
DinoTriz
I can argue forever, watch:
"You can say whatever you want about the past and current state of Live, but even a broken clock is right twice a day and I believe they were right when they gave Berserkers a side style because it helps my argument".
"You can say whatever you want about the past and current state of Live, but even a broken clock is right twice a day and I believe they were right when they gave Berserkers a side style because it helps my argument".
Mon 24 Aug 2020 2:14 PM
by
Noashakra
I am not saying they are right or wrong, I just pointed out your argument of authority means nothing.
Kodak, the biggest camera company in the world, decided that digital camera would not take off and would destroy their argentic business.
Proof that companies don't know for sure what is best for users.
Kodak, the biggest camera company in the world, decided that digital camera would not take off and would destroy their argentic business.
Proof that companies don't know for sure what is best for users.
Mon 24 Aug 2020 2:19 PM
by
DinoTriz
Just one style.
It can be shit. I don't mind.
Just give it. I needs it.
It can be shit. I don't mind.
Just give it. I needs it.
Tue 25 Aug 2020 8:52 PM
by
Siouxsie
DInoTriz - It's worthless arguing with these tosspots, they will argue against any kind of Midgard balance because they primarily play alb and hib and want things to stay as they are. They will just keep gaslighting you in your posts, telling you that you don't know anything, it's the same stupid retorts over and over because they have nothing worthwhile to say.
Wed 26 Aug 2020 8:28 AM
by
Noashakra
Siouxie, should I quote the GM who told you that you have no idea about what you speak about?
You never bring anything of value with your posts. You accuse people of gaslighting, and yet, what is your post about?
Projection much?
You never bring anything of value with your posts. You accuse people of gaslighting, and yet, what is your post about?
Projection much?
Wed 26 Aug 2020 12:20 PM
by
Gildar
@ Siouxie : quoting myself ....
I was gaslighting ???I ask to give the style ...
You are posting without reading at all
Who is toxic here ??? Me or you???
Your post are useless if not Ridicoulous
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