25% of Alb are Minstrels - Phoenix Freeshard

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I dont know if it is a good thing or a bad thing... but still something is wrong when 1 player out of 4 plays 1 of the 14 classes available

Wed 12 Sep 2018 9:17 PM by relvinian

Everyone on the server should play a minstrel.

Since tasks give rps and they get speed, stealth, and can throw pets at people.

Thu 13 Sep 2018 2:03 AM by Niix

Inc nerf

Thu 13 Sep 2018 2:25 AM by phixion

I'm playing one at the moment, but I'll probably play an assassin on release.

They are honestly really meh without a pet, damage is trash. I think they are popular for now because of speed and stealth... best of both worlds for soloing.

Thu 13 Sep 2018 2:50 AM by Zansobar

phixion wrote: ↑
Thu 13 Sep 2018 2:25 AM
I'm playing one at the moment, but I'll probably play an assassin on release.

They are honestly really meh without a pet, damage is trash. I think they are popular for now because of speed and stealth... best of both worlds for soloing.

They seem to be about the only class in the game that can excel greatly at soloing in RvR AND be extremely desired in groups for RvR. Like I posted before in another thread, Minstrels are so overpowered that you could take away the entire stealth line from them and they would still be extremely desired in groups for RvR and a strong overall class...even after losing one of the strongest single spec lines in the game.

Thu 13 Sep 2018 2:56 AM by Aincrad

I think Minstrels are good where they are at now. With the nerf to the level cap of pet the minstrel can charm (not sure what level that cap is) I do not think it was necessary to put a 3s delay on the charm but it is what it is. Minstrels are still really strong with it.

Thu 13 Sep 2018 3:54 AM by phixion

Zansobar wrote: ↑
Thu 13 Sep 2018 2:50 AM
phixion wrote: ↑
Thu 13 Sep 2018 2:25 AM
I'm playing one at the moment, but I'll probably play an assassin on release.

They are honestly really meh without a pet, damage is trash. I think they are popular for now because of speed and stealth... best of both worlds for soloing.

They seem to be about the only class in the game that can excel greatly at soloing in RvR AND be extremely desired in groups for RvR.

Yep, there's a reason so many are playing them at the moment. Skalds are very popular too as they can easily solo and zerg surf.

Thu 13 Sep 2018 4:56 AM by Muschen

People are trying them out after the "nerf". A while ago everyone played Cabalist, then Shaman, then Animist. For a while we had a bunch of players playing Theurgist. For about a week we have had people playing Rangers, now its the Minstrels turn.

Thu 13 Sep 2018 5:24 AM by Druth

Almost half of Midgard plays skalds.

Speed+damage is popular because:
- You can dodge fights you don't want.
- You can get around fast, to Task keeps for example.
- Both can hold their own in 1v1 fights, and can even do 1v2 if they are good/high RR, and can stop fights and get away if they are loosing.
- Both are part of the core in groups.

Thu 13 Sep 2018 7:06 AM by Muschen

You made a great point, in Task keep its a pain to get around as a non speed class. When im playing my Ranger i often get to the keep in 10 minutes and have two choices. Either suicide and get some points, or scout around and report while hoping for a fight and often get no points. If i suicide i dont have the time to run back again.

Thu 13 Sep 2018 7:15 AM by Hammurabi0788

Most players are lazy. So the speed is a big factor. Almost everyone plays 1 for crafting. All ever groups want 1. Pve groups want 1 for pom. If not pom the dog reduction ok n is nice to have. Basicly it's a class that almost every group wants 1.

Thu 13 Sep 2018 6:05 PM by Armsmancer

"25% of Alb are Minstrels"

So what?

"There's 13 other classes in alb"

So what? Nowhere in the history of gaming are you going to find some even distribution of all the classes. As others brought up, there's tons of skalds as well, I don't know if its above or below 25% and I don't care because it doesn't matter. This post has a built-in implication as if there is something horribly wrong with this class being popular. Please tell us all what is wrong with it, and why, and what the correct % should be? Is it 10%? How about 8%? Why would I get a different answer from lots of different people? See how this exposes that the implication is unfounded? Hope so.

Fri 14 Sep 2018 4:27 PM by alusnova415

Minstrels are popular because they are a good /OP class simple as that.

What class in the game can do :

Speed (can get into groups rvr groups as a stealth class not like other stealths)
Charm up to a red pet (solo)
Stealth
SOS - runs away from fights
Insta Stun
Mezz
POM - can get into pve groups other stealths hardly
Heal song - if they about to die they just sos and heal up faster than any other class

Yes their weapon dmg is meh but with so many tools it doesn't matter . Mythic made a mistake with this class , hoping that eventually devs here take a good look at the class , to me either they are a stealth class or a visible class.

A fix would be remove the stealth option from them then you would treat them as pet style class with speed since removing speed would be too drastic or keep stealth and remove charm/mezz.

Recently in the suggestion forum someone asked for speed potions Uthred responded with if you want speed play a speed class , well if Albs want to play stealth they have infi and scout , use the same logic and answer ,why does alb have 3 stealth classes and other realms dont .

Fri 14 Sep 2018 7:45 PM by Seigmoraig

alusnova415 wrote: ↑
Fri 14 Sep 2018 4:27 PM
Recently in the suggestion forum someone asked for speed potions Uthred responded with if you want speed play a speed class , well if Albs want to play stealth they have infi and scout , use the same logic and answer ,why does alb have 3 stealth classes and other realms dont .

Because not all realms have celerety, not all realms have insta aoe stun, not all realms have group purge. The realm war is not copy/paste simple as that

Fri 14 Sep 2018 9:46 PM by Pendalith

Yes lets give skalds stealth pls ^^

Fri 14 Sep 2018 10:07 PM by Cadebrennus

Because they are a stealther put them in leather armor like Infils and let them keep other tools (except purple pets) and boom! they are balanced. Melee will no longer have an issue having to take as long taking them out as they would any other chain/scale wearing class.

Fri 14 Sep 2018 11:11 PM by alusnova415

Seigmoraig wrote: ↑
Fri 14 Sep 2018 7:45 PM
alusnova415 wrote: ↑
Fri 14 Sep 2018 4:27 PM
Recently in the suggestion forum someone asked for speed potions Uthred responded with if you want speed play a speed class , well if Albs want to play stealth they have infi and scout , use the same logic and answer ,why does alb have 3 stealth classes and other realms dont .

Because not all realms have celerety, not all realms have insta aoe stun, not all realms have group purge. The realm war is not copy/paste simple as that

What does that have anything to do with how a class is performing? If the class is unbalanced it needs to be fixed , there is something bigger than having 1 OP class that is balance for the game .

Fri 14 Sep 2018 11:15 PM by alusnova415

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Fri 14 Sep 2018 10:07 PM
Because they are a stealther put them in leather armor like Infils and let them keep other tools (except purple pets) and boom! they are balanced. Melee will no longer have an issue having to take as long taking them out as they would any other chain/scale wearing class.

Yes they should be in leather armor and they should not be able to charm anything higher than a yellow con.

Sun 23 Sep 2018 5:26 PM by JimD

alusnova415 wrote: ↑
Fri 14 Sep 2018 11:15 PM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Fri 14 Sep 2018 10:07 PM
Because they are a stealther put them in leather armor like Infils and let them keep other tools (except purple pets) and boom! they are balanced. Melee will no longer have an issue having to take as long taking them out as they would any other chain/scale wearing class.

Yes they should be in leather armor and they should not be able to charm anything higher than a yellow con.

Great suggestion! Do you have any more FANTASTIC insight into class balances?

Tue 25 Sep 2018 9:18 AM by Kaziera

JimD wrote: ↑
Sun 23 Sep 2018 5:26 PM
alusnova415 wrote: ↑
Fri 14 Sep 2018 11:15 PM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Fri 14 Sep 2018 10:07 PM
Because they are a stealther put them in leather armor like Infils and let them keep other tools (except purple pets) and boom! they are balanced. Melee will no longer have an issue having to take as long taking them out as they would any other chain/scale wearing class.

Yes they should be in leather armor and they should not be able to charm anything higher than a yellow con.

Great suggestion! Do you have any more FANTASTIC insight into class balances?

/irony on

Obviously leather armor will make minstrels 13.779% less effective. That is a perfect match for the 14.1009% they are too good. Cant you see that?

/irony off

Thu 27 Sep 2018 8:51 PM by poisonclover

alusnova415 wrote: ↑
Fri 14 Sep 2018 4:27 PM
Minstrels are popular because they are a good /OP class simple as that.

What class in the game can do :

Speed (can get into groups rvr groups as a stealth class not like other stealths)
Charm up to a red pet (solo)
Stealth
SOS - runs away from fights
Insta Stun
Mezz
POM - can get into pve groups other stealths hardly
Heal song - if they about to die they just sos and heal up faster than any other class

Yes their weapon dmg is meh but with so many tools it doesn't matter . Mythic made a mistake with this class , hoping that eventually devs here take a good look at the class , to me either they are a stealth class or a visible class.

A fix would be remove the stealth option from them then you would treat them as pet style class with speed since removing speed would be too drastic or keep stealth and remove charm/mezz.

Recently in the suggestion forum someone asked for speed potions Uthred responded with if you want speed play a speed class , well if Albs want to play stealth they have infi and scout , use the same logic and answer ,why does alb have 3 stealth classes and other realms dont .

Speed- All realms have a speed class
Charm- has a cost whether you want to acknowledge it or not its not a castable charm they u don't have to worry about again.
Stealth- Spec 30 stealth on a minstrel, you hit for under 100 damage with your weapon, if it lands considering your weaponskill is a joke due to low spec. And you will be see by everything and their mom by anything within 150 range.
insta stun- No argument their, even though mid healers have INSTA AE stun... and every hib casters has a uninterruptable castable stun (quickcast)
PoM- POTS also have POM....
Heal song- serious? ok so they can SoS and run heal song for half a minute, probably twisting to keep that red pet charmed and hitting you..

to sum it up, take away a whole spec line? because they can get more groups in rvr then another class? if that's the case they need to make the charm castable, and not a song. and ill be down for that all day.

Thu 27 Sep 2018 9:07 PM by Zansobar

poisonclover wrote: ↑
Thu 27 Sep 2018 8:51 PM
alusnova415 wrote: ↑
Fri 14 Sep 2018 4:27 PM
Minstrels are popular because they are a good /OP class simple as that.

What class in the game can do :

Speed (can get into groups rvr groups as a stealth class not like other stealths)
Charm up to a red pet (solo)
Stealth
SOS - runs away from fights
Insta Stun
Mezz
POM - can get into pve groups other stealths hardly
Heal song - if they about to die they just sos and heal up faster than any other class

Yes their weapon dmg is meh but with so many tools it doesn't matter . Mythic made a mistake with this class , hoping that eventually devs here take a good look at the class , to me either they are a stealth class or a visible class.

A fix would be remove the stealth option from them then you would treat them as pet style class with speed since removing speed would be too drastic or keep stealth and remove charm/mezz.

Recently in the suggestion forum someone asked for speed potions Uthred responded with if you want speed play a speed class , well if Albs want to play stealth they have infi and scout , use the same logic and answer ,why does alb have 3 stealth classes and other realms dont .

Speed- All realms have a speed class
Charm- has a cost whether you want to acknowledge it or not its not a castable charm they u don't have to worry about again.
Stealth- Spec 30 stealth on a minstrel, you hit for under 100 damage with your weapon, if it lands considering your weaponskill is a joke due to low spec. And you will be see by everything and their mom by anything within 150 range.
insta stun- No argument their, even though mid healers have INSTA AE stun... and every hib casters has a uninterruptable castable stun (quickcast)
PoM- POTS also have POM....
Heal song- serious? ok so they can SoS and run heal song for half a minute, probably twisting to keep that red pet charmed and hitting you..

to sum it up, take away a whole spec line? because they can get more groups in rvr then another class? if that's the case they need to make the charm castable, and not a song. and ill be down for that all day.

Actually a minstrel is going to be 33 stealth specced with 50 instruments and 30 slash due to auto train points from instruments on Phoenix. With +11 from items you are at 44 without realm ranks and with RR7+ you are at a composite 50 with no weakness in stealth relative to any other stealther.

Thu 27 Sep 2018 9:21 PM by defiasbandit

I find the speed classes just overturned. They are the best in any group size. Instastuns. 2300 range insta interrupts, charming a 50 yard long Lizard as your pet. I mean come on.

They are hard to play and high skill cap. Just always felt they were a little too essential.

Thu 27 Sep 2018 10:57 PM by Armsmancer

Again, so what? There is not going to be an even distribution of the 1/14 classes. This isn't inherently bad in any way whatsoever.

Plus this changes every day/hour can we stop with the snapshots of one exact moment in time and REACH to try and pass that off as "therefore that is how it will be for the rest of the beta and launch". Beta population is not indicative than anything other than beta population. Please, use critical thinking.

Thu 27 Sep 2018 11:06 PM by florin

Zansobar wrote: ↑
Thu 27 Sep 2018 9:07 PM
poisonclover wrote: ↑
Thu 27 Sep 2018 8:51 PM
alusnova415 wrote: ↑
Fri 14 Sep 2018 4:27 PM
Minstrels are popular because they are a good /OP class simple as that.

What class in the game can do :

Speed (can get into groups rvr groups as a stealth class not like other stealths)
Charm up to a red pet (solo)
Stealth
SOS - runs away from fights
Insta Stun
Mezz
POM - can get into pve groups other stealths hardly
Heal song - if they about to die they just sos and heal up faster than any other class

Yes their weapon dmg is meh but with so many tools it doesn't matter . Mythic made a mistake with this class , hoping that eventually devs here take a good look at the class , to me either they are a stealth class or a visible class.

A fix would be remove the stealth option from them then you would treat them as pet style class with speed since removing speed would be too drastic or keep stealth and remove charm/mezz.

Recently in the suggestion forum someone asked for speed potions Uthred responded with if you want speed play a speed class , well if Albs want to play stealth they have infi and scout , use the same logic and answer ,why does alb have 3 stealth classes and other realms dont .

Speed- All realms have a speed class
Charm- has a cost whether you want to acknowledge it or not its not a castable charm they u don't have to worry about again.
Stealth- Spec 30 stealth on a minstrel, you hit for under 100 damage with your weapon, if it lands considering your weaponskill is a joke due to low spec. And you will be see by everything and their mom by anything within 150 range.
insta stun- No argument their, even though mid healers have INSTA AE stun... and every hib casters has a uninterruptable castable stun (quickcast)
PoM- POTS also have POM....
Heal song- serious? ok so they can SoS and run heal song for half a minute, probably twisting to keep that red pet charmed and hitting you..

to sum it up, take away a whole spec line? because they can get more groups in rvr then another class? if that's the case they need to make the charm castable, and not a song. and ill be down for that all day.

Actually a minstrel is going to be 33 stealth specced with 50 instruments and 30 slash due to auto train points from instruments on Phoenix. With +11 from items you are at 44 without realm ranks and with RR7+ you are at a composite 50 with no weakness in stealth relative to any other stealther.

Your stealth is lower compared to assassins even at same level 250 unit detection. Your wepn skill is lower vs 50 base spec. Your damage is on the paladin damage table not the assassin. Jack of all trades - master of none - except speed which can be broken by bards at 2300 units.

Fri 28 Sep 2018 1:09 AM by Niix

florin wrote: ↑
Thu 27 Sep 2018 11:06 PM
Zansobar wrote: ↑
Thu 27 Sep 2018 9:07 PM
poisonclover wrote: ↑
Thu 27 Sep 2018 8:51 PM
Speed- All realms have a speed class
Charm- has a cost whether you want to acknowledge it or not its not a castable charm they u don't have to worry about again.
Stealth- Spec 30 stealth on a minstrel, you hit for under 100 damage with your weapon, if it lands considering your weaponskill is a joke due to low spec. And you will be see by everything and their mom by anything within 150 range.
insta stun- No argument their, even though mid healers have INSTA AE stun... and every hib casters has a uninterruptable castable stun (quickcast)
PoM- POTS also have POM....
Heal song- serious? ok so they can SoS and run heal song for half a minute, probably twisting to keep that red pet charmed and hitting you..

to sum it up, take away a whole spec line? because they can get more groups in rvr then another class? if that's the case they need to make the charm castable, and not a song. and ill be down for that all day.

Actually a minstrel is going to be 33 stealth specced with 50 instruments and 30 slash due to auto train points from instruments on Phoenix. With +11 from items you are at 44 without realm ranks and with RR7+ you are at a composite 50 with no weakness in stealth relative to any other stealther.
Your stealth is lower compared to assassins even at same level 250 unit detection. Your wepn skill is lower vs 50 base spec. Your damage is on the paladin damage table not the assassin. Jack of all trades - master of none - except speed which can be broken by bards at 2300 units.

Luckily your red/purp pet can hit and nuke for 230-300+ so who cares if your sword misses... minstrel players are the most naive it’s insane

Fri 28 Sep 2018 1:11 AM by florin

Niix wrote: ↑
Fri 28 Sep 2018 1:09 AM
florin wrote: ↑
Thu 27 Sep 2018 11:06 PM
Zansobar wrote: ↑
Thu 27 Sep 2018 9:07 PM
Actually a minstrel is going to be 33 stealth specced with 50 instruments and 30 slash due to auto train points from instruments on Phoenix. With +11 from items you are at 44 without realm ranks and with RR7+ you are at a composite 50 with no weakness in stealth relative to any other stealther.
Your stealth is lower compared to assassins even at same level 250 unit detection. Your wepn skill is lower vs 50 base spec. Your damage is on the paladin damage table not the assassin. Jack of all trades - master of none - except speed which can be broken by bards at 2300 units.

Luckily your red/purp pet can hit and nuke for 230-300+ so who cares if your sword misses... minstrel players are the most naive it’s insane

gime sword damage and you can keep the pet - screw that, i farm with the pet!

Fri 28 Sep 2018 5:27 AM by rubaduck

You know that sense of rage when a cyclist is parading in the middle of the road, even though small and insignificant it takes up all the space and you can't drive past it with your car because the cyclist is being a straight up a-hole? I get the same feeling with minstrels. The second a player creates and plays one they lose all common sense and become that cyclist.

I try to show as much honor as possible in RvR. If I'm out with 8 man I try to ask the group to leave soloers and smallmen less then 5 alone. But minstrels, they are free game.

Fri 28 Sep 2018 10:26 AM by l00ri

[x] Remove Minstrel, make Speed a Paladin-Chant.

Mon 1 Oct 2018 6:05 PM by Shadanwolf

Why are animists (level 40's pets) banned from attacking certain keep entrances...and not level 60 minstrel pets ?

Mon 1 Oct 2018 6:19 PM by poisonclover

Zansobar wrote: ↑
Thu 27 Sep 2018 9:07 PM
poisonclover wrote: ↑
Thu 27 Sep 2018 8:51 PM
alusnova415 wrote: ↑
Fri 14 Sep 2018 4:27 PM
Minstrels are popular because they are a good /OP class simple as that.

What class in the game can do :

Speed (can get into groups rvr groups as a stealth class not like other stealths)
Charm up to a red pet (solo)
Stealth
SOS - runs away from fights
Insta Stun
Mezz
POM - can get into pve groups other stealths hardly
Heal song - if they about to die they just sos and heal up faster than any other class

Yes their weapon dmg is meh but with so many tools it doesn't matter . Mythic made a mistake with this class , hoping that eventually devs here take a good look at the class , to me either they are a stealth class or a visible class.

A fix would be remove the stealth option from them then you would treat them as pet style class with speed since removing speed would be too drastic or keep stealth and remove charm/mezz.

Recently in the suggestion forum someone asked for speed potions Uthred responded with if you want speed play a speed class , well if Albs want to play stealth they have infi and scout , use the same logic and answer ,why does alb have 3 stealth classes and other realms dont .

Speed- All realms have a speed class
Charm- has a cost whether you want to acknowledge it or not its not a castable charm they u don't have to worry about again.
Stealth- Spec 30 stealth on a minstrel, you hit for under 100 damage with your weapon, if it lands considering your weaponskill is a joke due to low spec. And you will be see by everything and their mom by anything within 150 range.
insta stun- No argument their, even though mid healers have INSTA AE stun... and every hib casters has a uninterruptable castable stun (quickcast)
PoM- POTS also have POM....
Heal song- serious? ok so they can SoS and run heal song for half a minute, probably twisting to keep that red pet charmed and hitting you..

to sum it up, take away a whole spec line? because they can get more groups in rvr then another class? if that's the case they need to make the charm castable, and not a song. and ill be down for that all day.

Actually a minstrel is going to be 33 stealth specced with 50 instruments and 30 slash due to auto train points from instruments on Phoenix. With +11 from items you are at 44 without realm ranks and with RR7+ you are at a composite 50 with no weakness in stealth relative to any other stealther.

So at RR7....how many other stealth classes are wreaking havoc? all of them. High RR characters are supposed to be above par, though as easy as rps are going to be to get here, there will be many more high RR people running around, therefore lowering the bar across the field.