These are the primary characters I play. Please examine both classes to make sure they are competitive.My concern is...THEY ARE NOT.
I have concerns over Ranger low damage dealing and recent animist pet nerfs
Started 4 Sep 2018
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Shadanwolf
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Tue 4 Sep 2018 9:26 PM
by
Cadebrennus
What are your concerns? Without specific examples there cannot be a discussion.
Tue 4 Sep 2018 9:42 PM
by
Shadanwolf
1)My rangers archery damage output is far less than I expected for a character with great equipment and totally speced to bow.Hence my concern.
2) as a long time animist players I have seen countless purges of the animist class . Purges which restricted the number of mushrooms...purges that reduced their damage output....purges that reduced their range........purges that reduced their hit points and viability. Seeing the mushrooms hit point reduction(which was just announced) has caused me to question the path the class is on, and whether history is about to repeat itself......again. Hence my CONCERN.
2) as a long time animist players I have seen countless purges of the animist class . Purges which restricted the number of mushrooms...purges that reduced their damage output....purges that reduced their range........purges that reduced their hit points and viability. Seeing the mushrooms hit point reduction(which was just announced) has caused me to question the path the class is on, and whether history is about to repeat itself......again. Hence my CONCERN.
Wed 5 Sep 2018 1:46 PM
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Isavyr
1) What kind of damage did you expect from a class with 2100 range and stealth?
2) Animist is already effective. They can stop enemy attacks despite being outnumbered at mile-gate and keeps. So you want this unique meta-changing class that no other realm gets access to, to be even stronger?
Do you care about the balance of the game, or just what you play?
2) Animist is already effective. They can stop enemy attacks despite being outnumbered at mile-gate and keeps. So you want this unique meta-changing class that no other realm gets access to, to be even stronger?
Do you care about the balance of the game, or just what you play?
Wed 5 Sep 2018 2:46 PM
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Leith
1) had a ranger the other Day 3 shotting my skald... got first crit into my face for 534 (something like that) and around 30+dmg add. Before i got him into target or last attacker He Hit me with a second crit shot for the same dmg. Rupted him with snare but could barely move due to insufficient health so he hit me with a normal shot (around high 200 with dmg add) and i was dead. Had rog drops with af100/102 99% and caped melee resists...
Wed 5 Sep 2018 3:29 PM
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Ceen
Getting two crits as a skald, dont blame the game blame yourself ^^Leith wrote: ↑Wed 5 Sep 2018 2:46 PM1) had a ranger the other Day 3 shotting my skald... got first crit into my face for 534 (something like that) and around 30+dmg add. Before i got him into target or last attacker He Hit me with a second crit shot for the same dmg. Rupted him with snare but could barely move due to insufficient health so he hit me with a normal shot (around high 200 with dmg add) and i was dead. Had rog drops with af100/102 99% and caped melee resists...
Wed 5 Sep 2018 4:12 PM
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Leith
Ceen wrote: ↑Wed 5 Sep 2018 3:29 PMGetting two crits as a skald, dont blame the game blame yourself ^^Leith wrote: ↑Wed 5 Sep 2018 2:46 PM1) had a ranger the other Day 3 shotting my skald... got first crit into my face for 534 (something like that) and around 30+dmg add. Before i got him into target or last attacker He Hit me with a second crit shot for the same dmg. Rupted him with snare but could barely move due to insufficient health so he hit me with a normal shot (around high 200 with dmg add) and i was dead. Had rog drops with af100/102 99% and caped melee resists...
Wow... just wow... it's not about whether i'm a good skald or not. It's about the bow dmg.
But as you are a know-it-all please tell me what you would have done. If you don't get the target right away cause it is bugged or intended here that archers just unstealth when the arrow hits and you will not be fast enough to get in range or to get out of range until the second arrow hits. Skald snare has 1.5k range and mezz just 700 so nothing to rupt a archer with if he is nearly on max range
Wed 5 Sep 2018 5:22 PM
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Cadebrennus
Even dealing with the bubble here I am quite pleased with archery damage. It balances out well with the option of stealth spec and melee spec (including Pathfinding).
What spec are you running? I've done testing on spec points in regards to raw spec Vs Pathfinding in order to find the sweet spot for damage.
Another thing regarding spec is bow spec. In the above example of Skald Vs Archer the Archer most likely was close to maximum bow spec and therefore had little variance. Compare that to someone like myself who will most likely stop at 35 bow who will have to deal with a lot more damage variance.
Trust me it could be truly crappy for Archers. Look at live where archery is now a spell, requires a LOS check to even draw the bow (yet is still much slower than spellcasting) and still does less damage to enemies there on live than Archery does to targets here on Phoenix.
What spec are you running? I've done testing on spec points in regards to raw spec Vs Pathfinding in order to find the sweet spot for damage.
Another thing regarding spec is bow spec. In the above example of Skald Vs Archer the Archer most likely was close to maximum bow spec and therefore had little variance. Compare that to someone like myself who will most likely stop at 35 bow who will have to deal with a lot more damage variance.
Trust me it could be truly crappy for Archers. Look at live where archery is now a spell, requires a LOS check to even draw the bow (yet is still much slower than spellcasting) and still does less damage to enemies there on live than Archery does to targets here on Phoenix.
Wed 5 Sep 2018 5:37 PM
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Ceen
You dont need to do anything but running and crit shot cant hit you anymoreLeith wrote: ↑Wed 5 Sep 2018 4:12 PMCeen wrote: ↑Wed 5 Sep 2018 3:29 PMGetting two crits as a skald, dont blame the game blame yourself ^^Leith wrote: ↑Wed 5 Sep 2018 2:46 PM1) had a ranger the other Day 3 shotting my skald... got first crit into my face for 534 (something like that) and around 30+dmg add. Before i got him into target or last attacker He Hit me with a second crit shot for the same dmg. Rupted him with snare but could barely move due to insufficient health so he hit me with a normal shot (around high 200 with dmg add) and i was dead. Had rog drops with af100/102 99% and caped melee resists...
Wow... just wow... it's not about whether i'm a good skald or not. It's about the bow dmg.
But as you are a know-it-all please tell me what you would have done. If you don't get the target right away cause it is bugged or intended here that archers just unstealth when the arrow hits and you will not be fast enough to get in range or to get out of range until the second arrow hits. Skald snare has 1.5k range and mezz just 700 so nothing to rupt a archer with if he is nearly on max range
Wed 5 Sep 2018 7:59 PM
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Leith
Ceen wrote: ↑Wed 5 Sep 2018 5:37 PMYou dont need to do anything but running and crit shot cant hit you anymoreLeith wrote: ↑Wed 5 Sep 2018 4:12 PMCeen wrote: ↑Wed 5 Sep 2018 3:29 PMGetting two crits as a skald, dont blame the game blame yourself ^^
Wow... just wow... it's not about whether i'm a good skald or not. It's about the bow dmg.
But as you are a know-it-all please tell me what you would have done. If you don't get the target right away cause it is bugged or intended here that archers just unstealth when the arrow hits and you will not be fast enough to get in range or to get out of range until the second arrow hits. Skald snare has 1.5k range and mezz just 700 so nothing to rupt a archer with if he is nearly on max range
You can't read properly, can you?
"archers just unstealth when the arrow hits and you will not be fast enough to get in range or to get out of range until the second arrow hits." Run around 500units in under like 2s without speed. GL with that. Not that easy when you are standing and not be 100% sure where the arrow came from. But thats not what it is about so back to topic.
Ranger is doing quite some dmg and i don't think he was that high in bow spec.
Wed 5 Sep 2018 8:11 PM
by
Geek
Archers unstealth as soon as your arrow leaves the bow, not when it hits. At least that's what I've seen on my scout. Also an enemy can immediately know which way the arrow came from. As soon as the arrow hits you, your target goes to what hit you, at least it did on live. Then you just press the 'F' key and face the archer. What makes it difficult is if you're engaged with another enemy or a mob, then you're getting nailed from every which way.
Once you get hit by an arrow, press F to face the dang archer. If you're in range, you stun or mez or charge that ba$stard and engage him with your pimp tank. Archer goes down easy if you're good at your character and fast on the draw.
Once you get hit by an arrow, press F to face the dang archer. If you're in range, you stun or mez or charge that ba$stard and engage him with your pimp tank. Archer goes down easy if you're good at your character and fast on the draw.
Wed 5 Sep 2018 8:32 PM
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Cadebrennus
Leith wrote: ↑Wed 5 Sep 2018 7:59 PMCeen wrote: ↑Wed 5 Sep 2018 5:37 PMYou dont need to do anything but running and crit shot cant hit you anymoreLeith wrote: ↑Wed 5 Sep 2018 4:12 PMWow... just wow... it's not about whether i'm a good skald or not. It's about the bow dmg.
But as you are a know-it-all please tell me what you would have done. If you don't get the target right away cause it is bugged or intended here that archers just unstealth when the arrow hits and you will not be fast enough to get in range or to get out of range until the second arrow hits. Skald snare has 1.5k range and mezz just 700 so nothing to rupt a archer with if he is nearly on max range
You can't read properly, can you?
"archers just unstealth when the arrow hits and you will not be fast enough to get in range or to get out of range until the second arrow hits." Run around 500units in under like 2s without speed. GL with that. Not that easy when you are standing and not be 100% sure where the arrow came from. But thats not what it is about so back to topic.
Ranger is doing quite some dmg and i don't think he was that high in bow spec.
Honestly you just happened to get hit in the rarest of perfect circumstances for an Archer. The fact that you didn't run the opposite direction (and hit speed chant again on a Skald, come on) means that yes, you played right into his hands and allowed the perfect scenario to play out until you were dead.
Wed 5 Sep 2018 8:58 PM
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Ceen
Please learn the game,Leith wrote: ↑Wed 5 Sep 2018 7:59 PMCeen wrote: ↑Wed 5 Sep 2018 5:37 PMYou dont need to do anything but running and crit shot cant hit you anymoreLeith wrote: ↑Wed 5 Sep 2018 4:12 PMWow... just wow... it's not about whether i'm a good skald or not. It's about the bow dmg.
But as you are a know-it-all please tell me what you would have done. If you don't get the target right away cause it is bugged or intended here that archers just unstealth when the arrow hits and you will not be fast enough to get in range or to get out of range until the second arrow hits. Skald snare has 1.5k range and mezz just 700 so nothing to rupt a archer with if he is nearly on max range
You can't read properly, can you?
"archers just unstealth when the arrow hits and you will not be fast enough to get in range or to get out of range until the second arrow hits." Run around 500units in under like 2s without speed. GL with that. Not that easy when you are standing and not be 100% sure where the arrow came from. But thats not what it is about so back to topic.
Ranger is doing quite some dmg and i don't think he was that high in bow spec.
before complain.
Crit shot is what made you hit for 500 imba damage. As long as you run crit shot is not possible and you get hit for 200-250 no more three hit.
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