Slam 5 sec for light tanks

Started 13 Jun 2020
by piero
in Suggestions
Why don t reduce slam of light tank to 5 sec?bm, champ, scouts, Merc, reaver, thane. 9 second slam could be allowed just to heavy tanks.
Sat 13 Jun 2020 9:00 PM by Kimahri
Sounds like you purged numb
Sat 13 Jun 2020 9:38 PM by piero
No lol, only noobs purge numb, so easy to see the graphic difference from numb to slam
Sat 13 Jun 2020 10:43 PM by Quik
42 Shield gets you slam.

Stop trying to limit people who are willing to put the points in to this.
Sat 13 Jun 2020 10:47 PM by gotwqqd
I would love to see penalties for swapping weapons or shields
Sat 13 Jun 2020 11:55 PM by Cadebrennus
Quik wrote:
Sat 13 Jun 2020 10:43 PM
42 Shield gets you slam.

Stop trying to limit people who are willing to put the points in to this.

Agreed. 35 Shield also gets the job done and frees up a lot of points to be spent elsewhere.
Sun 14 Jun 2020 3:06 PM by Quik
gotwqqd wrote:
Sat 13 Jun 2020 10:47 PM
I would love to see penalties for swapping weapons or shields

Now this I could get behind.

I wish once combat started you had a 3 second penalty to switch any weapon/shield, maybe more but at least a 3.
Sun 14 Jun 2020 5:36 PM by Failwalker
piero wrote:
Sat 13 Jun 2020 9:38 PM
No lol, only noobs purge numb, so easy to see the graphic difference from numb to slam

Because numb/swipe/mangle have wrong animation for this 1.65ish setting^^


https://camelotherald.fandom.com/wiki/Patch_Notes:_Version_1.82
Â- The following Shield styles have a new animation: Shield Swipe, Mangle and Numb


until 1.82 they had same animation as slam... i bet you knew that!
Mon 15 Jun 2020 11:40 AM by Razur Ur
piero wrote:
Sat 13 Jun 2020 8:28 PM
Why don t reduce slam of light tank to 5 sec?bm, champ, scouts, Merc, reaver, thane. 9 second slam could be allowed just to heavy tanks.

OK then give all hybrid/light tanks same dmg table how by full tanks ;-)
Mon 15 Jun 2020 1:20 PM by Ele
Quik wrote: 42 Shield gets you slam.

Stop trying to limit people who are willing to put the points in to this.

As others before, I agree on that. I don't think slam needs any form of adjustment, because you have to neglect other lines for going this high in shield spec.

It's interesting, however, that we have at the same time threads which suggest some kind of buffs to light tanks like banelord stuff and with this thread here, effectively, a call for a nerf of light tanks. As far as I'm concerned, tanks, and light tanks in particular, seem to be quite balanced right now. And Hybrids certainly don't deserve nerfs, as several of these classes are already off-meta.
Mon 15 Jun 2020 1:34 PM by ExcretusMaximus
Let's stop pretending you're giving up anything for that shield spec.

52 composite weapon is achievable at RR3 with 42 in shield, and you're rarely using baseline styles over DW/CD.
Mon 15 Jun 2020 2:14 PM by Ele
ExcretusMaximus wrote: Let's stop pretending you're giving up anything for that shield spec.

52 composite weapon is achievable at RR3 with 42 in shield, and you're rarely using baseline styles over DW/CD.

True on the 52 composite weapon thing, but I got to disagree with the latter statement. I'll point out a few things that - at least in theory - are not possible because of high shield spec:
1. You are giving up on split specs which provide you with more options regarding weapon choice and adjusting dmg type to different targets.
2. You give up on higher parry, which can be neglected for most group encounters, but is useful in smallman/solo scenarios, mainly because there is no defense penalty to parry vs. other dual wielders.
3. Going into a few details of weapon lines, you are indeed giving up some good styles by only shooting for 52 composite weapon instead of specing high into it, thus boosting the style dmg modifier. A good example is the slash anytime-combo, which offers similar growth rates and a better to-hit bonus than the dw counterparts. Same goes for the dw back style. Actually, the same goes for blunt/blades back styles, which are superior to the cd back style, at least for dmg. Admittedly, most of the time you use snare styles, but you could use these higher growth rate styles if PF goes off.
4. As it was pointed out earlier, we are not only talking about light tanks when it comes to a slam nerf, but about hybrids too. For those there are drawbacks if you go 42 shield. Lets take the champ, you can only have 2 of those: slam, annihilation, highest buffs/debuffs.

I have to admit though that due to the meta - slam>everything - you don't see many mercs/bms using split speccs, although especially split spec bms were common in the past.
Mon 15 Jun 2020 6:40 PM by Cadebrennus
ExcretusMaximus wrote:
Mon 15 Jun 2020 1:34 PM
Let's stop pretending you're giving up anything for that shield spec.

52 composite weapon is achievable at RR3 with 42 in shield, and you're rarely using baseline styles over DW/CD.

Albs have to give up 44 Thrust to get 42 Shield.
Tue 16 Jun 2020 11:17 AM by opossum12
It's like half the threads are about how tanks are xrap, and the other half wants to add abilities to counter this "tank meta". Guess the game is really nicely balances!
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