Keeping Phoenix healthy - Phoenix Freeshard

To keep Phoenix healthy we need to supply all playstyles with happiness.

I suggest you fix the solo happiness as soon as possible, as we need the solos to fill every other content in the game and as solo is what people do if they have only half an hour of time or waiting for their 8man/zerg to form, or if there is no zerg.

We currently see a huge drop in numbers after the zergleaders logg off cause of lack of content for solos (and too many griefplaying 5-7men killing all solo action that still forms).

Tue 9 Jun 2020 2:08 AM by Nephamael

The matter can not wait any longer, please put it to priority #1

Thank's for the else great server and i hope we can keep it alive for a long time after we fix solo content.

Best regards Xpovoc/Jukaron/Larea.

Tue 9 Jun 2020 2:10 AM by ExcretusMaximus

If people really wanted to solo, they'd queue for the solo zone.

No one does because no one care about actually soloing.

Tue 9 Jun 2020 2:11 AM by Nephamael

The easiest 2 immediate fixes would be

-Allowing solos to port into a choosable solo zone without prior death requirement.

-Allowing solos to port to the PvP zone without Que.

Tue 9 Jun 2020 2:13 AM by Nephamael

If people really wanted to solo, they'd queue for the solo zone.

the PvP zone has 2 handicaps, reduced kill RPs wich scare off many players and the Que wich had been halfing RP/h when the zone was still active and now prevents it from starting at all.
A solo zone can only work without a QUE.

Tue 9 Jun 2020 10:14 PM by Nephamael

@Uthred you announced upcoming fixes to the solo/smallmen zones a week ago. We have been waiting for so many month, holding out, we deserve to be nxt in the que of changes

Tue 9 Jun 2020 11:44 PM by Ruggz

Is this a thread for you to talk to yourself?

Wed 10 Jun 2020 12:12 AM by Hodge

How about a solo battleground zone? Groups would be unavailable, only region chat. Like the battleground with a CK and three towers. Still three realms. Claiming a tower or keep would not require a group, just two or more guild mates in same tower or ck.

Wed 10 Jun 2020 10:09 AM by gromet12

Just give them a dueling ground they can port to, cannot attack anyone without setting it up prior so nobody can add. No RPS just gold to keep up the buffs and no rvr task credit.

Wed 10 Jun 2020 10:36 AM by Cadebrennus

gromet12 wrote: ↑
Wed 10 Jun 2020 10:09 AM
Just give them a dueling ground they can port to, cannot attack anyone without setting it up prior so nobody can add. No RPS just gold to keep up the buffs and no rvr task credit.

I think this is a great idea but most of these "soloers" wouldn't do it. They "solo" and duel to trade RPs and RP farm each other.

Wed 10 Jun 2020 10:41 AM by Hector

This is the dumbest thread I've ever read. You guys can set up solo fights SO easily and yet nobody does. You want the GMs to hold your hands and allow you to port and FORCE players to do a /duel. Come on. It's daoc. If you don't use the solo pvp zone, don't use the solo teleporter, don't use the solo discord to pick safe areas, then just stfu. You guys are cancer to this game. It's called a MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER online RPG, not a SMALL SOLO online RPG.

Also edit: if the 8v8 community can manage to police itself, I'm sure you guys can too in significantly smaller numbers.

Wed 10 Jun 2020 11:51 AM by Noashakra

It's again the rules to use a discord to organize fights... So try again.
Go back to your cave Hector, we get it, on the forums or discord, you hate solos and stealthers.
You should try again to trademark the name Hector™ IG instead of caring about us :'

In my eyes, the IG cancer is the 8vs8 community making their fights on flag task or in the ZF under siege yelling to disengage each others when they get added near a bg.
I guess we are all the cancer of somebody else.

It's called a MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER online RPG, not a GvG online RPG with yelling agreements.

Also, nobody want to FORCE people to duel in this thread or ever, that why you didn't quote anyone. But continue to use fallacious arugments...

Wed 10 Jun 2020 12:00 PM by inoeth

Hector wrote: ↑
Wed 10 Jun 2020 10:41 AM
This is the dumbest thread I've ever read. You guys can set up solo fights SO easily and yet nobody does. You want the GMs to hold your hands and allow you to port and FORCE players to do a /duel. Come on. It's daoc. If you don't use the solo pvp zone, don't use the solo teleporter, don't use the solo discord to pick safe areas, then just stfu. You guys are cancer to this game. It's called a MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER online RPG, not a SMALL SOLO online RPG.

Also edit: if the 8v8 community can manage to police itself, I'm sure you guys can too in significantly smaller numbers.

its not about duels, its about not getting added all the time. i dont want to fight rr10 assassins/champs all the time, even though these fights are fun, its getting boring.
sadly its the attitude of many that want to add everything so badly, not letting two guys have their fight. and even if some watch the fight, 90% of the time they add when their realm mate is about to die. its the "its not enough that i win, others should lose" mentality that fucks the solos up.

Wed 10 Jun 2020 6:15 PM by Nephamael

This is the dumbest thread I've ever read. You guys can set up solo fights SO easily and yet nobody does. You want the GMs to hold your hands and allow you to port and FORCE players to do a /duel. Come on. It's daoc. If you don't use the solo pvp zone, don't use the solo teleporter, don't use the solo discord to pick safe areas, then just stfu. You guys are cancer to this game. It's called a MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER online RPG, not a SMALL SOLO online RPG.

Also edit: if the 8v8 community can manage to police itself, I'm sure you guys can too in significantly smaller numbers.

Unfortunately solos cant retaliate vs adding groups like 8men can, if a grp adds a 1v1 the solo dies without a chance.

The weakest part of the foodchain needs the best support by DEVs to be playable in a community that is not dominated but partly consisting of griefplayers vs solo content that builds by itsself.

If we don't want any solo content on this server anymore we are on the best way, most of my enemies and friends left the server already.
My hope is the DEVs and GMs keeping their promise to full heartedly support EVERY playstyle. So maybe some of the solos come back when Phoenix can offer working content for their playstyle again.

Wed 10 Jun 2020 6:19 PM by Nephamael

Let me also add that i would appreciate constructive ideas by people who actually play solo, so they know what they are speaking of here.

I think it's very important to a server to support the zerg playstyle (wich doesn't harm any other playstyles but supplies them with new players and gives new players easy entrance to RvR).
But i don't zerg enough to supply feedback or suggestions for improving zerg quality of life, so i don't do it. I do tho solo and 8v8, so i can help the DEVs improve those playstyles on Phoenix.

Wed 10 Jun 2020 6:29 PM by Nephamael

DaoC is not a game to stay healthy easily for a long time in it's unchanged classic version.

The Phoenix Team did an amazing job with many custom changes to help DaoCs natural flaws.

Like /Task to help people catch up in RR fast.
Like fast XPing, so people can get to the RvR content fast.
Like QOL for zerging wich is so important for new players to learn RvR (big thanks to the zergleaders here too).
They added QOL for 8v8, wich has always been an elite super fun part of the game, even tho not played by a majority of players.
Rogs and feather items, to make templating convenient.
Some small buffs for underpowered classes (like friar/pala) in this classic patch.

They tried to give solos QOL with the solo zones and PvP. - The problem is those ideas didn't work out as intended. That's the only reason why we try to help the DEVs fix the content for solo play, so it can provide what it is ment to do.

---the solution is easy and will hopefully be soon accomplished:
-instant port to PvP without a QUE
-instant port to a chosen frontier solo zone without a death

Wed 10 Jun 2020 6:31 PM by Nephamael

I can assure all you people who don't solo, if we have content that won't hurt any of you guys playstyles at all! The only difference will be solos having fun on Phoenix. And wouldn't that be great?

Wed 10 Jun 2020 6:51 PM by thirian24

Maybe they dropped the que to 5 to help with solo action, while they work on a more meaningful change. Give them a chance and some time.

Wed 10 Jun 2020 11:25 PM by Jingo NZ

thirian24 wrote: ↑
Wed 10 Jun 2020 6:51 PM
Maybe they dropped the que to 5 to help with solo action, while they work on a more meaningful change. Give them a chance and some time.

I hope that this is the case. The separate TOA solo event zones are better suited for periodic events and more meaningful change should be achieved through changes to regular RVR.

One minimum change (simple to implement) is:

Solos can use small man zone teleporters and can teleport to solo/small man zone without having died there.

Other more involved changes might include:

Rotating solo task zone that provides task RP which you must remain solo for the duration to be eligible for.

Thu 11 Jun 2020 10:36 AM by Hector

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Wed 10 Jun 2020 11:51 AM
It's again the rules to use a discord to organize fights... So try again.
Go back to your cave Hector, we get it, on the forums or discord, you hate solos and stealthers.
You should try again to trademark the name Hector™ IG instead of caring about us :'

In my eyes, the IG cancer is the 8vs8 community making their fights on flag task or in the ZF under siege yelling to disengage each others when they get added near a bg.
I guess we are all the cancer of somebody else.

It's called a MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER online RPG, not a GvG online RPG with yelling agreements.

Also, nobody want to FORCE people to duel in this thread or ever, that why you didn't quote anyone. But continue to use fallacious arugments...

On the last page Cadebrennus was talking about how you guys just want to duel each other. In the PVP zone people complained about not /bowing and just adding. You guys are the cancer of this game. We get it, you play a melee ranger and want to smash the same button over and over again until you need to use IP, and collect 1k RPs. I'm sure that sounds fun but a server of 2k+ players doesn't care about ensuring you find a safespace to do this.

Thu 11 Jun 2020 1:18 PM by Noashakra

Hector wrote: ↑
Thu 11 Jun 2020 10:36 AM
Noashakra wrote: ↑
Wed 10 Jun 2020 11:51 AM
It's again the rules to use a discord to organize fights... So try again.
Go back to your cave Hector, we get it, on the forums or discord, you hate solos and stealthers.
You should try again to trademark the name Hector™ IG instead of caring about us :'

In my eyes, the IG cancer is the 8vs8 community making their fights on flag task or in the ZF under siege yelling to disengage each others when they get added near a bg.
I guess we are all the cancer of somebody else.

It's called a MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER online RPG, not a GvG online RPG with yelling agreements.

Also, nobody want to FORCE people to duel in this thread or ever, that why you didn't quote anyone. But continue to use fallacious arugments...

On the last page Cadebrennus was talking about how you guys just want to duel each other. In the PVP zone people complained about not /bowing and just adding. You guys are the cancer of this game. We get it, you play a melee ranger and want to smash the same button over and over again until you need to use IP, and collect 1k RPs. I'm sure that sounds fun but a server of 2k+ players doesn't care about ensuring you find a safespace to do this.

First of all, I have 5 toons (I play bard, VW and mentalist in pug in the evening, also I am playing NS at the moment when I solo). And yeah playing in groups is soooo hard lol. Spaming your anytimer with a back up is soooo hard xD. Stop thinking your play style is better, because it's not.

Second you have no idea about my play style, that's why I have IP2 and purge 4 on my ranger, because I hate to depend on timers. So you speak without knowing. Surprising right????

Third, I find the /bow fest lame and I don't participate to those kind of things (I did it twice in treflan a saturday morning, it gets old fast).

We want to duel, but how do you make the link to "We want to duel" to "we want to force ANYONE to do that". It's so stupid, I can't even...

So yeah go back to discord and try to prevent people using hector in their name, because you own the trademark on such a boring and commun name lol, it's a better use of your time dude lol. It shows your values and personality.
Funny how you make a special case for the 8vs8 who made their own safe space... You are such an hypocrite.

Thu 11 Jun 2020 3:26 PM by Hector

Nice post . See you in rvr.

Thu 11 Jun 2020 5:15 PM by Nephamael

On the last page Cadebrennus was talking about how you guys just want to duel each other. In the PVP zone people complained about not /bowing and just adding. You guys are the cancer of this game. We get it, you play a melee ranger and want to smash the same button over and over again until you need to use IP, and collect 1k RPs. I'm sure that sounds fun but a server of 2k+ players doesn't care about ensuring you find a safespace to do this.

actually i agree, there is some people who have been pretty toxic towards non duel mentalities.

I personally like open field incs and don't add, but i am happy for everyone joining our solo action - some adders spice the action up to a Mordred like experience, so the honorable solos should try to have less hard feelings. - If you play addstyle you will be confronted with people turning against you as enough of a punishment

Thu 11 Jun 2020 5:27 PM by joshisanonymous

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Thu 11 Jun 2020 1:18 PM
We want to duel, but how do you make the link to "We want to duel" to "we want to force ANYONE to do that". It's so stupid, I can't even...

What happens around organized duels is that everyone teams up on any solo intruder that's just looking to RvR. I've even been outside of Trelle castle when organized dueling was happening inside, tried to engage someone who was heading there, and that person stealthed so that 4-5 people could come out of the castle to team up on me. (They were mixed realms BTW, which suggests that they either were in Discord together or that they do this so much that it's just reflex to run out of the castle when you see others doing it.) It was a bit perplexing, because I was solo looking for a solo fight and the enemy I found definitely saw me coming, so it's not like they were avoiding a fight where they were at a disadvantage. I also wasn't ruining any of the duels inside. In fact, even if the fight happened and I won, we were in Trelle, so they could have literally ported directly back to the same spot.

In this sense, there's a sort of forcing-people-to-duel-or-leave situation going on, but not for people who don't pass by the area, only for solos who use the area as a solo zone instead of a dueling zone, which is... a bit ironic.

Thu 11 Jun 2020 7:09 PM by Helwyr

Keeping Phoenix healthy in my view is achieved by strongly promoting Realm vs Realm, not necessarily "every playstyle". Despite being THE RvR game DAoC has a lot of flaws in supporting RvR. Chiefly among these flaws are mechanics that give premade groups such enormous strength vs those who are not playing that way, which in turn helped support a DAoC sub culture that is group vs group orientated and not Realm vs Realm orientated. In the eco system this created is where some of the frustration comes in. Granted some soloers are duelists, the solo version of the Group vs Group 8mans, but unlike the 8mans these solo duelists aren't the apex pvp meta of the game so they can't dictate the overall meta in the same way. In short if you were to remake/redesign DAoC to make it a better RvR game you would ensure that everyone has a role that is fun and rewarding within the larger RvR framework, not outside that RvR framework. I doubt the Phoenix Staff would want to take on such a challenge, and a good portion of the community here would absolutely hate the needed changes, like for example one IMO would be normalizing speed, another no more playing all 3 realms.

But there's nothing that's really going to make solo much better than it is without doing big changes to support RvR. Without the RvR aspect DAoC is an old dated game with pretty much nothing special about it. without RvR its a soulless undead entity stumbling about, in desperate need of re-burial. If all you want is to do is duel other players there's just better games to be playing.

Thu 11 Jun 2020 9:59 PM by Noashakra

joshisanonymous wrote: ↑
Thu 11 Jun 2020 5:27 PM
Noashakra wrote: ↑
Thu 11 Jun 2020 1:18 PM
We want to duel, but how do you make the link to "We want to duel" to "we want to force ANYONE to do that". It's so stupid, I can't even...

What happens around organized duels is that everyone teams up on any solo intruder that's just looking to RvR. I've even been outside of Trelle castle when organized dueling was happening inside, tried to engage someone who was heading there, and that person stealthed so that 4-5 people could come out of the castle to team up on me. (They were mixed realms BTW, which suggests that they either were in Discord together or that they do this so much that it's just reflex to run out of the castle when you see others doing it.) It was a bit perplexing, because I was solo looking for a solo fight and the enemy I found definitely saw me coming, so it's not like they were avoiding a fight where they were at a disadvantage. I also wasn't ruining any of the duels inside. In fact, even if the fight happened and I won, we were in Trelle, so they could have literally ported directly back to the same spot.

In this sense, there's a sort of forcing-people-to-duel-or-leave situation going on, but not for people who don't pass by the area, only for solos who use the area as a solo zone instead of a dueling zone, which is... a bit ironic.

We speak about organic duels, not organised duels at Trelle.

Fri 12 Jun 2020 7:24 AM by Sepplord

I guess there might be less misunderstandings and back&forths if everyone would just stick to their opinion and perspective without always feeling the need to imply they are representing a whole group of people. Something i also need to remind myself of more often

Wed 17 Jun 2020 12:58 AM by Nephamael

I guess there might be less misunderstandings and back&forths if everyone would just stick to their opinion and perspective without always feeling the need to imply they are representing a whole group of people. Something i also need to remind myself of more often

If you actually gather opinions of a group you don't do harm sharing it to those who can make change happen.

It would be great to see less haters and more constructive posts tho, especially of those who actually play what is discussed.

Wed 17 Jun 2020 1:01 AM by Nephamael

I was busy rl for 2 days so i cant say what happened until now, but today there was 0 action in the PvP zone.

The effort to spam /lfg to get things going seems to be 2 much of a struggle to do it every day and outside a 2-4 hour window at top population the gathered player numbers didn't generate smooth enough action to stay alive by itsself.

Wed 17 Jun 2020 1:02 AM by Nephamael

I suggest removing the QUE as i did before.

And/Or give instant port to frontier solo zones without prior death.