Save RvR revert the archer changes.

Their has been a massive imbalance with hib currently being so dominant and it honestly started from the archer changes. 2 weeks or since the changes rangers have topped the player meters or within top 3 and that is not healthy for any server. Certain times the game is unplayable even at Zerg level forget about solo/small/8. The game masters or developers said when they made the changes if there was a massive increase in archers they would have a massive look at the situation as they would rather no changes than the server looking like it is currently. My suggestion is just Revert the changes it didnt work and maybe a utility increase instead of brain dead damage that anyone can play. My suggestion is have a very big look at the hib population and the increase in mainly rangers. Because if you havent or didnt realise their is an issue that needs addressing i wish i could suggest anything but reverting changes or give utility rather than damage. because sadly people do like a easy time in any game and they will go with the OP class and archers are easy rp gain easy leech and very powerful. I speak to a few players and honestly it seems everyone feels the same as i do the only people that dont are 70% of archer population.

Wed 20 May 2020 7:51 PM by Delegator

Trying to rationalize the job dominance (which predates the archery changes by many weeks) as due to having more Rangers is nonsense. All three realms have archer classes.

Wed 20 May 2020 8:10 PM by necrolove1

Its just FOTM atm, it'll die down, also they are activley watching and adjusting the DPS, please have paitence

Wed 20 May 2020 8:10 PM by Tubby

Delegator wrote: ↑
Wed 20 May 2020 7:51 PM
Trying to rationalize the job dominance (which predates the archery changes by many weeks) as due to having more Rangers is nonsense. All three realms have archer classes.

But ranger benefit a great deal more. How do you justify there great numbers and quite honestly defending or attacking keeps the only issue is actually volley and the 800+ crit shots from where you cant see before your hit.

Wed 20 May 2020 8:12 PM by Tubby

necrolove1 wrote: ↑
Wed 20 May 2020 8:10 PM
Its just FOTM atm, it'll die down, also they are activley watching and adjusting the DPS, please have paitence

The issue is it wont die down it's been 2 weeks and honestly it looks fun lol. I wouldnt go their just not my style but I promise you rangers if not changend will stay at top end /serverinfo unless reverted the devs said it them selves the stats prove what they feared little nerfs here or there wont change the issue. Reverting or going down a different route for archers will. Bring some skill to play them never thought I'd say it but live has them in a better place lol

Wed 20 May 2020 8:59 PM by thirian24

What are rangers hitting people for?

Im being hit for high 800s to mid 900s on crits from Scouts and Hunters.

I think the Rangers are more popular because Hib has been dominating rvr, so "hey lets move to hib and roll a ranger." or "we already play hib, lets check out Ranger dmg." or "I haven't played this old ranger is months, lets see what this is all about."

I don't think rangers are doing more dmg than other archers really, maybe slightly depending on rank and spec.

People are just bitching b/c there are a shit ton of them out right now, and im with you there.

Im not defending rangers or any archer, I hate them. They are still leachers and still none of them solo even with this massive dmg increase. Nothing makes me wanna log off more than getting insta melted by multiple archers. So I would agree that a revert needed to happen already.

Wed 20 May 2020 9:44 PM by hefrocko2

Archers exaggerated their issues which led to this change. They were upset they couldn't solo every class in the game. They're not meant to. They are a support class and they shouldn't be able to gun down every single thing solo, it should just be casters. With old damage they did just fine vs hybrids, they had to work for it.... As it should be. Now they are ridiculous. We all know they hardly solo before anyways, they're not all of a sudden going to solo now. This game should not just cater to soloers when it has massive implications for other playstyle like archer damage is doing now. This needs to be reverted to old damage.

Wed 20 May 2020 9:59 PM by Cadebrennus

hefrocko2 wrote: ↑
Wed 20 May 2020 9:44 PM
Archers exaggerated their issues which led to this change. They were upset they couldn't solo every class in the game. They're not meant to. They are a support class and they shouldn't be able to gun down every single thing solo, it should just be casters. With old damage they did just fine vs hybrids, they had to work for it.... As it should be. Now they are ridiculous. We all know they hardly solo before anyways, they're not all of a sudden going to solo now. This game should not just cater to soloers when it has massive implications for other playstyle like archer damage is doing now. This needs to be reverted to old damage.

It was less about being able to "solo every class in game", and more about being able to "solo at least one class in game".

Wed 20 May 2020 10:30 PM by Tubby

hefrocko2 wrote: ↑
Wed 20 May 2020 9:44 PM
Archers exaggerated their issues which led to this change. They were upset they couldn't solo every class in the game. They're not meant to. They are a support class and they shouldn't be able to gun down every single thing solo, it should just be casters. With old damage they did just fine vs hybrids, they had to work for it.... As it should be. Now they are ridiculous. We all know they hardly solo before anyways, they're not all of a sudden going to solo now. This game should not just cater to soloers when it has massive implications for other playstyle like archer damage is doing now. This needs to be reverted to old damage.

Couldnt agree more the issue is the archers will never solo doesnt matter how powerful they are out of all stealth classes I think about 5% solo.. maybe even less. It's the sheer numbers currently and it is and will ruin rvr

Wed 20 May 2020 11:07 PM by Koros

This a troll post?

thirian24 wrote: What are rangers hitting people for?

Im being hit for high 800s to mid 900s on crits from Scouts and Hunters.

I think the Rangers are more popular because Hib has been dominating rvr, so "hey lets move to hib and roll a ranger." or "we already play hib, lets check out Ranger dmg." or "I haven't played this old ranger is months, lets see what this is all about."

I don't think rangers are doing more dmg than other archers really, maybe slightly depending on rank and spec.

People are just bitching b/c there are a shit ton of them out right now, and im with you there.

Im not defending rangers or any archer, I hate them. They are still leachers and still none of them solo even with this massive dmg increase. Nothing makes me wanna log off more than getting insta melted by multiple archers. So I would agree that a revert needed to happen already.

They don't do more damage, hibs just had the relics. Now? Rangers hit like a wet paper bag. It's hilarious people are still whining about archer damage. TEMPLATE yourselves then, because if you are complaining about archers you obviously either don't have max resists, or are getting assist trained which will happen in ANY fight where the enemy is coordinated. Archer or not. I have 1.4 cast speed on a nuke I can debuff myself, with a pet that heals on my chanter I hit on the regular way harder then any archer has hit me for. My sorc has a pet and AE Mez with a lifetap, and don't get me started on my Runemaster, worse of the three but still run around solo with little concern about solo archers. Archers don't bother me. Mins on the other hand...

Wed 20 May 2020 11:30 PM by beozz

I understand people dont like change, but because a class finally gets a buff and lets all scream and cry. I get killed by way more melee stealther duos then I do by archers. Even still if I get ganked by a archer majority of the time I am out of range before they can finish me or I can turn on them and push them in. Archers were finally worth playing and most people like archers. Look at any game, bow classes are usually one of the most populated if they are not gimped. On all my 50s, caster gets hit the hardest and I can turn and face and quick cast to interrupt an archer at which point 80% of the time hes a sitting duck. This is like people complaining about adding on fights. If you die, you complain, if someone adds, you complain. So much for the realm...

Thu 21 May 2020 1:20 AM by Tubby

Koros wrote: ↑
Wed 20 May 2020 11:07 PM
This a troll post?

thirian24 wrote: What are rangers hitting people for?

Im being hit for high 800s to mid 900s on crits from Scouts and Hunters.

I think the Rangers are more popular because Hib has been dominating rvr, so "hey lets move to hib and roll a ranger." or "we already play hib, lets check out Ranger dmg." or "I haven't played this old ranger is months, lets see what this is all about."

I don't think rangers are doing more dmg than other archers really, maybe slightly depending on rank and spec.

People are just bitching b/c there are a shit ton of them out right now, and im with you there.

Im not defending rangers or any archer, I hate them. They are still leachers and still none of them solo even with this massive dmg increase. Nothing makes me wanna log off more than getting insta melted by multiple archers. So I would agree that a revert needed to happen already.

They don't do more damage, hibs just had the relics. Now? Rangers hit like a wet paper bag. It's hilarious people are still whining about archer damage. TEMPLATE yourselves then, because if you are complaining about archers you obviously either don't have max resists, or are getting assist trained which will happen in ANY fight where the enemy is coordinated. Archer or not. I have 1.4 cast speed on a nuke I can debuff myself, with a pet that heals on my chanter I hit on the regular way harder then any archer has hit me for. My sorc has a pet and AE Mez with a lifetap, and don't get me started on my Runemaster, worse of the three but still run around solo with little concern about solo archers. Archers don't bother me. Mins on the other hand...

Your forgetting somthing your visible lol. Your not the most over populated class. Your just hoping for the life of God that your archer doesnt get nerfed lol

Thu 21 May 2020 1:22 AM by Tubby

beozz wrote: ↑
Wed 20 May 2020 11:30 PM
I understand people dont like change, but because a class finally gets a buff and lets all scream and cry. I get killed by way more melee stealther duos then I do by archers. Even still if I get ganked by a archer majority of the time I am out of range before they can finish me or I can turn on them and push them in. Archers were finally worth playing and most people like archers. Look at any game, bow classes are usually one of the most populated if they are not gimped. On all my 50s, caster gets hit the hardest and I can turn and face and quick cast to interrupt an archer at which point 80% of the time hes a sitting duck. This is like people complaining about adding on fights. If you die, you complain, if someone adds, you complain. So much for the realm...

I'm sorry if you think increasing damage by 50% is making a class worth while I dont think you understand daoc and how its played. Utility was the answer not damage anyone can press a button.

Thu 21 May 2020 2:26 AM by dbeattie71

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Wed 20 May 2020 9:59 PM
hefrocko2 wrote: ↑
Wed 20 May 2020 9:44 PM
Archers exaggerated their issues which led to this change. They were upset they couldn't solo every class in the game. They're not meant to. They are a support class and they shouldn't be able to gun down every single thing solo, it should just be casters. With old damage they did just fine vs hybrids, they had to work for it.... As it should be. Now they are ridiculous. We all know they hardly solo before anyways, they're not all of a sudden going to solo now. This game should not just cater to soloers when it has massive implications for other playstyle like archer damage is doing now. This needs to be reverted to old damage.

It was less about being able to "solo every class in game", and more about being able to "solo at least one class in game".

Lol, casters are freaking out, hey that archer shot be for half of what I nuke them for, waaaaa.

Thu 21 May 2020 4:12 AM by Koros

Tubby wrote: ↑
Thu 21 May 2020 1:22 AM
beozz wrote: ↑
Wed 20 May 2020 11:30 PM
I understand people dont like change, but because a class finally gets a buff and lets all scream and cry. I get killed by way more melee stealther duos then I do by archers. Even still if I get ganked by a archer majority of the time I am out of range before they can finish me or I can turn on them and push them in. Archers were finally worth playing and most people like archers. Look at any game, bow classes are usually one of the most populated if they are not gimped. On all my 50s, caster gets hit the hardest and I can turn and face and quick cast to interrupt an archer at which point 80% of the time hes a sitting duck. This is like people complaining about adding on fights. If you die, you complain, if someone adds, you complain. So much for the realm...
I'm sorry if you think increasing damage by 50% is making a class worth while I dont think you understand daoc and how its played. Utility was the answer not damage anyone can press a button.

The fact you think Archer damage has been increased by 50% shows you don't have a clue what is going on in RvR. You just outed yourself with this post.

Get a template. Keep up to date with patch notes.

Thu 21 May 2020 4:13 AM by Koros

Tubby wrote: ↑
Thu 21 May 2020 1:20 AM
Koros wrote: ↑
Wed 20 May 2020 11:07 PM
This a troll post?

thirian24 wrote: What are rangers hitting people for?

Im being hit for high 800s to mid 900s on crits from Scouts and Hunters.

I think the Rangers are more popular because Hib has been dominating rvr, so "hey lets move to hib and roll a ranger." or "we already play hib, lets check out Ranger dmg." or "I haven't played this old ranger is months, lets see what this is all about."

I don't think rangers are doing more dmg than other archers really, maybe slightly depending on rank and spec.

People are just bitching b/c there are a shit ton of them out right now, and im with you there.

Im not defending rangers or any archer, I hate them. They are still leachers and still none of them solo even with this massive dmg increase. Nothing makes me wanna log off more than getting insta melted by multiple archers. So I would agree that a revert needed to happen already.

They don't do more damage, hibs just had the relics. Now? Rangers hit like a wet paper bag. It's hilarious people are still whining about archer damage. TEMPLATE yourselves then, because if you are complaining about archers you obviously either don't have max resists, or are getting assist trained which will happen in ANY fight where the enemy is coordinated. Archer or not. I have 1.4 cast speed on a nuke I can debuff myself, with a pet that heals on my chanter I hit on the regular way harder then any archer has hit me for. My sorc has a pet and AE Mez with a lifetap, and don't get me started on my Runemaster, worse of the three but still run around solo with little concern about solo archers. Archers don't bother me. Mins on the other hand...

Your forgetting somthing your visible lol. Your not the most over populated class. Your just hoping for the life of God that your archer doesnt get nerfed lol

Which is it? I'm a Visi, or I am an archer that doesn't want his class nerfed? You are just mad you died and decided to come on the forums and act like a child. Stop. You are making yourself look bad.

Thu 21 May 2020 5:01 AM by joshisanonymous

dbeattie71 wrote: ↑
Thu 21 May 2020 2:26 AM
Lol, casters are freaking out, hey that archer shot be for half of what I nuke them for, waaaaa.

I've really only seen other stealthers complain about archery damage. Personally, I've been very supportive of the buff; I've seen more archers out solo as a result and, as a caster, I have pretty much zero worries about going against a solo archer despite the increased damage. It's funny, because I had grown so accustomed to archers being grouped that my first reaction is still to frantically search for the other five stealthers that must be grouped with any archer that shoots at me, even when they're solo. That paranoia alone makes it harder to react well to their attacks.

Thu 21 May 2020 8:47 AM by kosen

Before changes, most Archers played Them as melee, with a chance to shoot an arrow if someone ran Or needed to be interruptet.... but not as damage, because you did more with youre melee weapons.
Now atleast you are able to play Them as they should be, like Archers!

I solo 80% of my playtime, and Yes Ive killed an caster with 3 arrows, but I have also pumped 5 arrows into a warrior, and he still killed me with 70% hp left.. Ive also been 2 shottet by a firewizard, and seen a necro kill 3 melees, Or minstrel killing multiple peeps with sage pet, and then SOS away etc.....

Some classes are just better against some classes, thats the Way daoc should be... Its tough to balance, and it have alsways been..

Also, there is a huge difference How peeps play their char... if there were 2 chars with same stats/rr, it could feel OP to some when played by an Experienced player, and oposite when played by a non experienced player.
That is also one of the reasons Why It Can be so hard to balance .

Lets not get archery reverted...

Thu 21 May 2020 9:11 AM by Tubby

Koros wrote: ↑
Thu 21 May 2020 4:12 AM
Tubby wrote: ↑
Thu 21 May 2020 1:22 AM
beozz wrote: ↑
Wed 20 May 2020 11:30 PM
I understand people dont like change, but because a class finally gets a buff and lets all scream and cry. I get killed by way more melee stealther duos then I do by archers. Even still if I get ganked by a archer majority of the time I am out of range before they can finish me or I can turn on them and push them in. Archers were finally worth playing and most people like archers. Look at any game, bow classes are usually one of the most populated if they are not gimped. On all my 50s, caster gets hit the hardest and I can turn and face and quick cast to interrupt an archer at which point 80% of the time hes a sitting duck. This is like people complaining about adding on fights. If you die, you complain, if someone adds, you complain. So much for the realm...
I'm sorry if you think increasing damage by 50% is making a class worth while I dont think you understand daoc and how its played. Utility was the answer not damage anyone can press a button.

The fact you think Archer damage has been increased by 50% shows you don't have a clue what is going on in RvR. You just outed yourself with this post.

Get a template. Keep up to date with patch notes.

It was 50%? They have reduced it a little now. Also your talking about people not being templated I mean seriously that's your argument. I'm not gonna say I'm the best player but I'm above average and I lts nothing to do with me dieing it's the population of the class period who wants to play a game where you cant see 50% of the classes your facing lol

Thu 21 May 2020 10:08 AM by Cadebrennus

Tubby wrote: ↑
Thu 21 May 2020 9:11 AM
Koros wrote: ↑
Thu 21 May 2020 4:12 AM
Tubby wrote: ↑
Thu 21 May 2020 1:22 AM
I'm sorry if you think increasing damage by 50% is making a class worth while I dont think you understand daoc and how its played. Utility was the answer not damage anyone can press a button.

The fact you think Archer damage has been increased by 50% shows you don't have a clue what is going on in RvR. You just outed yourself with this post.

Get a template. Keep up to date with patch notes.

It was 50%? They have reduced it a little now. Also your talking about people not being templated I mean seriously that's your argument. I'm not gonna say I'm the best player but I'm above average and I lts nothing to do with me dieing it's the population of the class period who wants to play a game where you cant see 50% of the classes your facing lol

Character name(s) and realm(s)?

Thu 21 May 2020 5:26 PM by Tubby

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Thu 21 May 2020 10:08 AM
Tubby wrote: ↑
Thu 21 May 2020 9:11 AM
Koros wrote: ↑
Thu 21 May 2020 4:12 AM
The fact you think Archer damage has been increased by 50% shows you don't have a clue what is going on in RvR. You just outed yourself with this post.

Get a template. Keep up to date with patch notes.

It was 50%? They have reduced it a little now. Also your talking about people not being templated I mean seriously that's your argument. I'm not gonna say I'm the best player but I'm above average and I lts nothing to do with me dieing it's the population of the class period who wants to play a game where you cant see 50% of the classes your facing lol

Character name(s) and realm(s)?

Drunken wizard.

Thu 21 May 2020 6:30 PM by Cadebrennus

Tubby wrote: ↑
Thu 21 May 2020 5:26 PM
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It was 50%? They have reduced it a little now. Also your talking about people not being templated I mean seriously that's your argument. I'm not gonna say I'm the best player but I'm above average and I lts nothing to do with me dieing it's the population of the class period who wants to play a game where you cant see 50% of the classes your facing lol

Character name(s) and realm(s)?

Drunken wizard.

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Thu 21 May 2020 7:27 PM by Tubby

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Drunken wizard.
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Daoc solo wizard - beer run. Some other videos if you wanna look on the channel to. Would love to see some of your footage if any

Thu 21 May 2020 7:28 PM by Tubby

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Oh just seen some of your videos think one got 1.4k views not bad.... lol insert your homer meme now hahaha

Thu 21 May 2020 7:30 PM by Tubby

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Couldnt watch it after first fight made me dizzy you trying to strafe. maybe why there are more dislikes.