What is with the additional stealth nerf of archery?

Edit:

It seems maybe the dmg reduction was based on relic count during before and latest testing.

Question answered.

Tue 19 May 2020 3:42 PM by

There was no unannounced change to archery.

Tue 19 May 2020 3:46 PM by Symptomettes

Horus wrote: ↑
Tue 19 May 2020 1:35 PM
1st you fix archery. Thank you, it needed it.
People whine so you nerf it.
Archers are like "well I'll keep at it"
People whine more
You nerf it again.
I log in today and try to defend a keep and notice my arrows are doing a fraction of the damage they did yesterday.
Go to the test dummy and verify...much lower damage
If you are going to nerf AGAIN a popular class back to oblivion at least have the professionalism to put it in the server notes and don't try to sneak it past us.

It is now back to almost where it was pre-"fix" The difference between 52 comp spec and 68 is almost negligible.

Clearly not the first one to say that today. Weird... But since i don't want to log my archers anymore cause of the lack of work and the nerf every two days, good luck trying to get the truth about that

Tue 19 May 2020 4:35 PM by Horus

gruenesschaf wrote: ↑
Tue 19 May 2020 3:42 PM
There was no unannounced change to archery.

2020-5-15 Friday

dot damage is now snapshotted on application and hence should no longer be affected by the caster gaining things like stat buffs, moc or rez sickness after the application
dot damage variance now follows normal spell damage variance rules
item dot procs and charges now have reduced variance and an increased minimum damage
the additional archery damage multiplier gain per spec point has been reduced slightly
the additional archery damage multiplier can no longer become a penalty at low spec levels

This is the last patch note. 5-15 I tested this the day it came out.

Today's date is 5/19
I noticed this morning my damage was lower again. My bow is not damaged. I did the same tests against the test dummies and damage is less than yesterday and the day before.
Your response is cryptic...are you saying you announce this latest dmg nerf somewhere else other than patch notes?

Tue 19 May 2020 5:10 PM by

gruenesschaf

Horus wrote: ↑
Tue 19 May 2020 4:35 PM
Today's date is 5/19
I noticed this morning my damage was lower again. My bow is not damaged. I did the same tests against the test dummies and damage is less than yesterday and the day before.
Your response is cryptic...are you saying you announce this latest dmg nerf somewhere else other than patch notes?

There was no change to archery since the 15th and there was not even a restart since yesterday and a change here would have required a restart.

Tue 19 May 2020 5:30 PM by Sunkissed

I've noticed, too, what Horus said!

After may 15th i checked my crit damage...it was 847 on test dummy
Today (after i noticed a damage decrease already yesterday in RvR) i've tested on dummy again: crit damage 815

I haven't changed any stats, my bow was fully repaired and my spec hasn't changed since then either.

So something must have happened to archery damage in the last days!

Tue 19 May 2020 5:30 PM by Centenario

gruenesschaf wrote: ↑
Tue 19 May 2020 5:10 PM
There was no change to archery since the 15th and there was not even a restart since yesterday and a change here would have required a restart.

Was there a bug fix then?

Tue 19 May 2020 5:43 PM by gromet12

Horus wrote: ↑
Tue 19 May 2020 1:35 PM
1st you fix archery. Thank you, it needed it.
People whine so you nerf it.
Archers are like "well I'll keep at it"
People whine more
You nerf it again.
I log in today and try to defend a keep and notice my arrows are doing a fraction of the damage they did yesterday.
Go to the test dummy and verify...much lower damage
If you are going to nerf AGAIN a popular class back to oblivion at least have the professionalism to put it in the server notes and don't try to sneak it past us.

It is now back to almost where it was pre-"fix" The difference between 52 comp spec and 68 is almost negligible.

I just tested this...

Its the same for my Hunter on test dummies as it was on the May 15th reduction

I think being you play a ranger and are since missing that 3 melee relic bonus is the problem which was the issue with rangers to begin with, Not the archery dmg but the bonus from Hib having all 3 relics. Thus we all get nerfed to crap again

Tue 19 May 2020 5:46 PM by gromet12

Sunkissed wrote: ↑
Tue 19 May 2020 5:30 PM
I've noticed, too, what Horus said!

After may 15th i checked my crit damage...it was 847 on test dummy
Today (after i noticed a damage decrease already yesterday in RvR) i've tested on dummy again: crit damage 815

I haven't changed any stats, my bow was fully repaired and my spec hasn't changed since then either.

So something must have happened to archery damage in the last days!

Another ranger huh? You lost the Mid and Alb str relics

Tue 19 May 2020 5:48 PM by Sunkissed

gromet12 wrote: ↑
Tue 19 May 2020 5:43 PM
I just tested this...

Its the same for my Hunter on test dummies as it was on the May 15th reduction

I think being you play a ranger and are since missing that 3 melee relic bonus is the problem which was the issue with rangers to begin with, Not the archery dmg but the bonus from Hib having all 3 relics. Thus we all get nerfed to crap again

Ok, this may be the Point!
I didn't took relics into consideration. This could explain our loss of damage, ty!

Tue 19 May 2020 5:52 PM by dbeattie71

Probably owe devs an apology for being a chicken little.

Tue 19 May 2020 6:17 PM by Quik

dbeattie71 wrote: ↑
Tue 19 May 2020 5:52 PM
Probably owe devs an apology for being a chicken little.

Apologize just because he was wrong in his accusation even after the dev's told him they changed nothing? I don't see that happening LOL

Tue 19 May 2020 6:46 PM by Horus

gromet12 wrote: ↑
Tue 19 May 2020 5:46 PM
Sunkissed wrote: ↑
Tue 19 May 2020 5:30 PM
I've noticed, too, what Horus said!

After may 15th i checked my crit damage...it was 847 on test dummy
Today (after i noticed a damage decrease already yesterday in RvR) i've tested on dummy again: crit damage 815

I haven't changed any stats, my bow was fully repaired and my spec hasn't changed since then either.

So something must have happened to archery damage in the last days!

Another ranger huh? You lost the Mid and Alb str relics

That could indeed be it! I didn't stop to check the relic counts. I admit, I didn't think relics were that significant for dmg. Sorry for the accusation!

Wed 20 May 2020 7:09 AM by Sepplord

And this is how QQ-trains and anti-staff rumors start

Something obvious, like losing huge relicbonuses, is forgotten and the first assumption is that the devs must have stealthnerfed something.

The few people reading about this explanation VS the ones that just saw the QQ about another stealthnerf in the ingame chats...

Wed 20 May 2020 9:36 AM by Cadebrennus

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Wed 20 May 2020 7:09 AM
And this is how QQ-trains and anti-staff rumors start

Something obvious, like losing huge relicbonuses, is forgotten and the first assumption is that the devs must have stealthnerfed something.

The few people reading about this explanation VS the ones that just saw the QQ about another stealthnerf in the ingame chats...

People make mistakes man, nothing to crucify a fellow player over, especially when they're usually very helpful and by board standards, relatively calm.

Wed 20 May 2020 9:41 AM by Sepplord

Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Wed 20 May 2020 9:36 AM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Wed 20 May 2020 7:09 AM
And this is how QQ-trains and anti-staff rumors start

Something obvious, like losing huge relicbonuses, is forgotten and the first assumption is that the devs must have stealthnerfed something.

The few people reading about this explanation VS the ones that just saw the QQ about another stealthnerf in the ingame chats...

People make mistakes man, nothing to crucify a fellow player over, especially when they're usually very helpful and by board standards, relatively calm.

Oh i am not crucifying Horus, shit happens. There are countless other accusations and i have had my own emotional and unfair thought regarding the server too. Just mentioning it as this is one of the few examples that had an easy explanation so people in general might not jump to such conclusions as fast in the future, and also maybe rethink previous examples

Wed 20 May 2020 11:07 AM by Cadebrennus

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Wed 20 May 2020 9:41 AM
Cadebrennus wrote: ↑
Wed 20 May 2020 9:36 AM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Wed 20 May 2020 7:09 AM
And this is how QQ-trains and anti-staff rumors start

Something obvious, like losing huge relicbonuses, is forgotten and the first assumption is that the devs must have stealthnerfed something.

The few people reading about this explanation VS the ones that just saw the QQ about another stealthnerf in the ingame chats...

People make mistakes man, nothing to crucify a fellow player over, especially when they're usually very helpful and by board standards, relatively calm.

Oh i am not crucifying Horus, shit happens. There are countless other accusations and i have had my own emotional and unfair thought regarding the server too. Just mentioning it as this is one of the few examples that had an easy explanation so people in general might not jump to such conclusions as fast in the future, and also maybe rethink previous examples

Agreed, and my statement was in general, not intended specifically to you.

Wed 20 May 2020 11:36 AM by gromet12

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Wed 20 May 2020 7:09 AM
And this is how QQ-trains and anti-staff rumors start

Something obvious, like losing huge relicbonuses, is forgotten and the first assumption is that the devs must have stealthnerfed something.

The few people reading about this explanation VS the ones that just saw the QQ about another stealthnerf in the ingame chats...

And those that QQ about archery dmg typically talked about rangers and conveniently forgot that Hibs had 6 relics during a majority of the testing. Archer dmg is again less than 2handed styled melee dmg

Wed 20 May 2020 2:37 PM by Horus

Yep. made a mistake. I'll own it. I did get caught up in all the anti archery whining and didn't do my due diligence.

It was such a significant damage reduction from when I tested the initial archery change + all str relics vs current state yesterday.

Made an incorrect assumption totally spacing the effect of relics . Poor form on my part.

Fri 22 May 2020 6:43 PM by Lawdawg

spec'd 50 bow on the hunter when the change happened. damage was nice. I didn't mind getting hit for 890 on my caster, either. Now, going back to melee spec. Bow is pretty much back to being an interrupt, and there's too much sacrifice on the hunter to give up other things for the higher bow spec, that's not making enough difference.

Fri 22 May 2020 7:36 PM by Anelyn77

So we should revert the archery nerfs then? I mean you can't balance a class around having all relics or none, if it makes sense? ^^

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