Relics and Relic Temple guards

Relics on this server move sometimes multiple times per day, that is NOT how it is supposed to work! Something needs to be done about the relics moving so easy!

Hib has 4/5/6 relics ALL the time, this is because hibs well.. you figure it out why? I can name a few things.

Relic temples do NOT have relic guards, I am STILL scratching my head as to why? currently a realm can open all the keeps for a relic in off hours and just walk right up to the relic keep untouched and snatch the relic, that is NOT how it is supposed to work. Hell I have myself walked right into the relic temple stealthed, unstealthed and grabbed the relic and left to meet the zerg, that should NEVER be allowed to happen!

UTHRED why are there STILL no relic guards. maybe this would help the underpop realm from the ffejani zerg EVERY D*&N NIGHT!

that's an idea, pop 10 level 80 guards in the relic temples when the underpop realm is outnumber 2 and 3 to 1!

any other ideas?

Sat 9 May 2020 4:42 AM by Raagnarr

Yeah cuz guards will save your sorry excuse of a realm! XD

Sat 9 May 2020 4:43 AM by Jeterix

I have never played on a server before now that doesn't have relic guards. I remember on live there were always several contingents of guards circling the relic keep and a high level cleric guard in the center with one high level wizard guard at each entrance.

And when I played in OF well those keeps had tons of guards.

So why change it now?

These relic keeps are hard enough to defend as it is since they have no doors.

What I think would be even better is if we replaced the relic keeps with the OF relic keeps with 3 doors and add guards.

What would have really been helpful is if the 2-3 8mans, some of which went to the relic keep and then ran away before the hibs got there, would have fought with us. Because even though we were outnumbered 3 to 1 it still took the hibs a while to kill us and we killed about 20 of them. Imagine how 24 albs could have tipped the scale of that battle.

Sat 9 May 2020 4:50 AM by Raagnarr

I agree though, no defense of relics is stupid..

Sat 9 May 2020 2:00 PM by Azrael

I agree, they should add some guards, it makes no sense that there are none but I also doubt it would make a difference for a underpop realm. When you lose all keeps you also will lose your relic.

Sat 9 May 2020 3:25 PM by Expfighter

Azrael wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 2:00 PM
I agree, they should add some guards, it makes no sense that there are none but I also doubt it would make a difference for a underpop realm. When you lose all keeps you also will lose your relic.

no, last night we defended all the keeps heavily, but when its 30-35 vs 60+, with assist from 30-60 computer controlled players. Then the fight came to the relic gate, we defended heavily with cats and the same 30some players, only to be over run AGAIN. Then we got to the relic temple and the fight was a good one, we killed 20 or so enemies before they put computer controlled players down AGAIN and immobilized us ALL 1 by 1 and overran us AGAIN!

Relic Temple guards would have helped with that situation.

there are the Facts!

Sat 9 May 2020 5:38 PM by Delegator

Hib has 4/5/6 relics ALL the time, this is because hibs well.. you figure it out why? I can name a few things.

I can name a few too:

Organized BGs with leaders who know what they are doing
Just that really

When I joined Hib, Midgard had been ruling the frontier so long that I was bored playing there, so I left my 8 characters behind for something new. Getting relics and winning the RvR war is pretty simple if you don't have alliance drama and have good leaders. Those come and go and switch realms. Everything else is just whining.

Sat 9 May 2020 6:40 PM by Expfighter

Delegator wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 5:38 PM
Hib has 4/5/6 relics ALL the time, this is because hibs well.. you figure it out why? I can name a few things.

I can name a few too:
Organized BGs with leaders who know what they are doing
Just that really

When I joined Hib, Midgard had been ruling the frontier so long that I was bored playing there, so I left my 8 characters behind for something new. Getting relics and winning the RvR war is pretty simple if you don't have alliance drama and have good leaders. Those come and go and switch realms. Everything else is just whining.

well organized BG's? you're kidding me right, PILZPOWER/Polemo/Mid BG leader runs head first at every fire in the frontier time after time after time! I don't play in that BS because of that.

Seems all the BG leaders follow the same script, slam your self face first into the enemy, rinse repeat! when I suggested something different (all 3 realms) like actually using TACTICS I get ignored or told, "No we aren't doing that we just want rps". Why do you think I solo so much, because most players would not know a good tactic if it hit them in the face.

Sat 9 May 2020 7:21 PM by Delegator

Expfighter wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 6:40 PM
well organized BG's? you're kidding me right, PILZPOWER/Polemo/Mid BG leader runs head first at every fire in the frontier time after time after time! I don't play in that BS because of that.

Seems all the BG leaders follow the same script, slam your self face first into the enemy, rinse repeat! when I suggested something different (all 3 realms) like actually using TACTICS I get ignored or told, "No we aren't doing that we just want rps". Why do you think I solo so much, because most players would not know a good tactic if it hit them in the face.

I specifically didn't mention names. I'll just say that the ones whom I consider effective aren't in the list you gave. There is more than one BG leader per realm.

Sat 9 May 2020 7:50 PM by Jeterix

But anyway this thread wasn't about BG leaders it was about relic guards.

Sat 9 May 2020 7:51 PM by Expfighter

Jeterix wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 7:50 PM
But anyway this thread wasn't about BG leaders it was about relic guards.

Correct

Sun 10 May 2020 3:29 AM by Delegator

Ok so the original post was asking for relic guards to pop when a realm is outnumbered 2-1 or 3-1. Last night it was about 160-115. This was after Alb had superiority in CET and spent its time with the BG looping around a rim towers. Seeing a ratio of 2-1 happens maybe sometimes (during a Sidi or Galla or TG raid) and 3-1 basically never.

There were several groups of albs last night doing tasks instead of defending the relic. If you want the game to defend your relics for you, just PVE. Or, maybe take advantage of the times when your realm has the numbers to take a relic back. Or organize a defense at the relic gate which is 20 seconds from your frontier town and 5+ minutes port and run for the enemy.

Sun 10 May 2020 4:01 PM by Jeterix

Delegator wrote: ↑
Sun 10 May 2020 3:29 AM
Ok so the original post was asking for relic guards to pop when a realm is outnumbered 2-1 or 3-1. Last night it was about 160-115. This was after Alb had superiority in CET and spent its time with the BG looping around a rim towers. Seeing a ratio of 2-1 happens maybe sometimes (during a Sidi or Galla or TG raid) and 3-1 basically never.

There were several groups of albs last night doing tasks instead of defending the relic. If you want the game to defend your relics for you, just PVE. Or, maybe take advantage of the times when your realm has the numbers to take a relic back. Or organize a defense at the relic gate which is 20 seconds from your frontier town and 5+ minutes port and run for the enemy.

We aren't asking for relic guards to spawn when we are outnumbered. We are asking for them to spawn all of the time.

We did defend at the relic gate.

We were outnumbered 3 to 1 not counting the people that weren't in the battle. Were you there? Or were you looking at a statistic?

It doesn't matter how many relics we take during EU times if we can't defend them during NA times.

I honestly can't believe how many haters there are on this forum. Where did you get these crazy ideas and presumptions?

Having relic guards isn't some crazy unbalanced idea it has been a staple of this game since forever.

Sun 17 May 2020 7:41 AM by Jeterix

So at what point did the devs decide to not add in relic guards? I would really like to know.

Sun 17 May 2020 8:00 AM by Durzo

People who don’t play at the time you’re speaking about don’t understand the problem. You can’t just “put together a BG” there’s hardly anyone on. And the only people on actively running in more than just a group are hibs. Which allows them to take every tower,keep, and relic with no contest. Which when it’s just the towers and keeps, whatever it’s a lame move but I can live with it. The fact that one realm can have a permanent advantage in terms of power because they can take relics uncontested is kind of stupid.