sooooo Midgard is dying - Phoenix Freeshard

Wondering if there will be some kind of attempt at encouraging balance? for the last month or so more and more midgardian players are moving to Hibernia or Albion for reasons of their own.

I know I left because i was truly disappointed in the lack of common cause for Middies to unite and the general apathy of the realm overall. I guess now that I write this I do not really have any question. Just making comments.

I been a middie back when I 1st bought Dark Age of Camelot on Midgard Kay and continued to play Mid when the servers were clustered. When I first came back again on Live I played Mid and switched to this freeshard, (which is awesome thank you), but the steady decline of Midgard is well, quite bleh. Hibs and Albs got their zergs and mids at best I see buzz with their 8 mans. yaaaa way to go you can 8 man lol

I think Midgard had a relic for a day, which was the 1st in 30ish days? and now that I get further into this post i guess i went from comments to rants LOL anywho...I wonder if there will be anyway to balance this. I personally dont care for the new pvp zones, the toxic attitudes of "honor" in an open pvp zone is meh. Thank you for those that may post constructive comments and to the trolls....bleh

Thu 7 May 2020 4:30 PM by Honethite

538 Albs, 406 Hibs and 368 Mids right now. Mid numbers is always lacking, why is that? What's going on?

Thu 7 May 2020 4:35 PM by shintacki

These things happen. Hib was the dominate realm for the first 4-5 months of the server. Then mids took over for a loooong time. I personally put off making any mids because of how overpopulated mid was in the past. Now mid is at the bottom, and hey I leveled a mid with a nice underpopulated XP bonus. Eventually Mid will be back again.

All that to say this: servers have an ebb and flow to who has the power.

Thu 7 May 2020 5:14 PM by Xanthippus

Things are always in flux. I noticed that my longtime realm, Hib, was way overpop in the last few days and I've rerolled to mid, leaving behind a RR8L5 ranger and 7L4 warden. Not easy to leave my beloved realm of lush green and beautiful races for snow and ugly people, but in the name of realm balance I am doing my part. More will follow and things will reach equilibrium, eventually.

I never clicked the chalice or the hammer on this server before this.

Thu 7 May 2020 5:45 PM by Azrael

Mh, nice recycling of these alb/hib/mids dying post. Long time I see one.
As other already mentioned this happens to every realm. Reason is simply because of lacking leadership. If you want to change that, lead a bg. If its to complicate at beginning, motivate your guild/ally, build groups and start raiding towers always tell region they are welcome to follow you, do this on a daily base. As you probably guessed you need a lot of endurance for that. Today I saw a mid repeatedly "spamming" region and advice chat to join his bg. Some tards/trolls responded with stfu and stop spamming chats. As far as I remember they also flamed giosakis when he camed back from alb instead to cheer him up for coming back.

Thu 7 May 2020 11:49 PM by mattymc

Azrael wrote: ↑
Thu 7 May 2020 5:45 PM
Mh, nice recycling of these alb/hib/mids dying post. Long time I see one.
As other already mentioned this happens to every realm. Reason is simply because of lacking leadership. If you want to change that, lead a bg. If its to complicate at beginning, motivate your guild/ally, build groups and start raiding towers always tell region they are welcome to follow you, do this on a daily base. As you probably guessed you need a lot of endurance for that. Today I saw a mid repeatedly "spamming" region and advice chat to join his bg. Some tards/trolls responded with stfu and stop spamming chats. As far as I remember they also flamed giosakis when he camed back from alb instead to cheer him up for coming back.

Lack of leadership is a fraudulent excuse...people step up and lead all the time, it's simply easier to run to where the relics/FOTM Class/es are, population is, etc.....I see people on all realms yelling the same crap at BG's and their leaders, no more nor less on mid. People go to the path of least resistance; that isn't MID.

Fri 8 May 2020 12:15 AM by Azrael

mattymc wrote: ↑
Thu 7 May 2020 11:49 PM
Azrael wrote: ↑
Thu 7 May 2020 5:45 PM
Mh, nice recycling of these alb/hib/mids dying post. Long time I see one.
As other already mentioned this happens to every realm. Reason is simply because of lacking leadership. If you want to change that, lead a bg. If its to complicate at beginning, motivate your guild/ally, build groups and start raiding towers always tell region they are welcome to follow you, do this on a daily base. As you probably guessed you need a lot of endurance for that. Today I saw a mid repeatedly "spamming" region and advice chat to join his bg. Some tards/trolls responded with stfu and stop spamming chats. As far as I remember they also flamed giosakis when he camed back from alb instead to cheer him up for coming back.

Lack of leadership is a fraudulent excuse...people step up and lead all the time, it's simply easier to run to where the relics/FOTM Class/es are, population is, etc.....I see people on all realms yelling the same crap at BG's and their leaders, no more nor less on mid. People go to the path of least resistance; that isn't MID.

rofl what? So if it's not about leadership, does relics change the realm magically?

Fri 8 May 2020 12:22 AM by Koros

Azrael wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 12:15 AM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Thu 7 May 2020 11:49 PM
Azrael wrote: ↑
Thu 7 May 2020 5:45 PM
Mh, nice recycling of these alb/hib/mids dying post. Long time I see one.
As other already mentioned this happens to every realm. Reason is simply because of lacking leadership. If you want to change that, lead a bg. If its to complicate at beginning, motivate your guild/ally, build groups and start raiding towers always tell region they are welcome to follow you, do this on a daily base. As you probably guessed you need a lot of endurance for that. Today I saw a mid repeatedly "spamming" region and advice chat to join his bg. Some tards/trolls responded with stfu and stop spamming chats. As far as I remember they also flamed giosakis when he camed back from alb instead to cheer him up for coming back.

Lack of leadership is a fraudulent excuse...people step up and lead all the time, it's simply easier to run to where the relics/FOTM Class/es are, population is, etc.....I see people on all realms yelling the same crap at BG's and their leaders, no more nor less on mid. People go to the path of least resistance; that isn't MID.

rofl what? So if it's not about leadership, does relics change the realm magically?

They literally told you why. Are you ignoring what they said for a reason?

Lack of FOTM classes, harder time to level/make gold, lack of population atm... like he already told you, people who game tend to be the type of person to go where they have it easiest.. right now that isn't on Mid. Sure there are people around, like me and my buddy, who would prefer to play on the underpopulated realm but that is the rare people, most want the easy life which I understand, after work, school, or life, sometimes people just want to relax.

Fri 8 May 2020 12:43 AM by Azrael

Koros wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 12:22 AM
Azrael wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 12:15 AM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Thu 7 May 2020 11:49 PM
Lack of leadership is a fraudulent excuse...people step up and lead all the time, it's simply easier to run to where the relics/FOTM Class/es are, population is, etc.....I see people on all realms yelling the same crap at BG's and their leaders, no more nor less on mid. People go to the path of least resistance; that isn't MID.

rofl what? So if it's not about leadership, does relics change the realm magically?

They literally told you why. Are you ignoring what they said for a reason?

Lack of FOTM classes, harder time to level/make gold, lack of population atm... like he already told you, people who game tend to be the type of person to go where they have it easiest.. right now that isn't on Mid. Sure there are people around, like me and my buddy, who would prefer to play on the underpopulated realm but that is the rare people, most want the easy life which I understand, after work, school, or life, sometimes people just want to relax.

Sure, a lot of people want to go the easy route but with that logic the realm who gets the relic first after a server start should never ever lose them because it is the winner realm?!?
Only what I can understand it that it is more difficult to get easy money (dunno about DS) but should not matter at all on this server settings. Every realm has fotm classes so that makes also no sense to me. Also there is no difference in terms of leveling, so no, I do not see your point.

Fri 8 May 2020 12:58 AM by Freudinio

Honestly. On this server. Why would you play mid, if you could freely choose any other realm?

Fri 8 May 2020 1:35 AM by mattymc

Azrael wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 12:43 AM
Koros wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 12:22 AM
Azrael wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 12:15 AM
rofl what? So if it's not about leadership, does relics change the realm magically?

They literally told you why. Are you ignoring what they said for a reason?

Lack of FOTM classes, harder time to level/make gold, lack of population atm... like he already told you, people who game tend to be the type of person to go where they have it easiest.. right now that isn't on Mid. Sure there are people around, like me and my buddy, who would prefer to play on the underpopulated realm but that is the rare people, most want the easy life which I understand, after work, school, or life, sometimes people just want to relax.

Sure, a lot of people want to go the easy route but with that logic the realm who gets the relic first after a server start should never ever lose them because it is the winner realm?!?
Only what I can understand it that it is more difficult to get easy money (dunno about DS) but should not matter at all on this server settings. Every realm has fotm classes so that makes also no sense to me. Also there is no difference in terms of leveling, so no, I do not see your point.

When the Population is healthy <read BALANCED>, relics move, when it's not, they stagnate. Relics are stagnant --- what changed? Yo proposed leadership -- the only change, since there are still plenty, is that people realm hopped for a REASON. You can argue all you want as to reason, but clearly nothing actually done so far to change the game has helped MIDGARD.

Fri 8 May 2020 1:59 AM by Azrael

mattymc wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 1:35 AM
Azrael wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 12:43 AM
Koros wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 12:22 AM
They literally told you why. Are you ignoring what they said for a reason?

Lack of FOTM classes, harder time to level/make gold, lack of population atm... like he already told you, people who game tend to be the type of person to go where they have it easiest.. right now that isn't on Mid. Sure there are people around, like me and my buddy, who would prefer to play on the underpopulated realm but that is the rare people, most want the easy life which I understand, after work, school, or life, sometimes people just want to relax.

Sure, a lot of people want to go the easy route but with that logic the realm who gets the relic first after a server start should never ever lose them because it is the winner realm?!?
Only what I can understand it that it is more difficult to get easy money (dunno about DS) but should not matter at all on this server settings. Every realm has fotm classes so that makes also no sense to me. Also there is no difference in terms of leveling, so no, I do not see your point.

When the Population is healthy <read BALANCED>, relics move, when it's not, they stagnate. Relics are stagnant --- what changed? Yo proposed leadership -- the only change, since there are still plenty, is that people realm hopped for a REASON. You can argue all you want as to reason, but clearly nothing actually done so far to change the game has helped MIDGARD.

At least I propose something. Can you tell some of these plenty changes which buffed alb and hib so nobody wants to play mid anymore?

Fri 8 May 2020 4:34 AM by Hypno

If only there was some form of rp and pve bonuses they could implement

Fri 8 May 2020 5:16 AM by Astaa

Mids keep claiming this but /serverinfo keeps proving them wrong.

I did see 3 fg mids roaming expers (at least one of them a guild group) in the gorge last night, that was quite funny to watch, the utter desperation on show was hilarious.

I was on the wall wanting to see what the fuss was all about with rangers and knew there would be groups of mids chasing expers so thought it would be a good place to test damage without zerging or adding on proper players. Didn't take long for them to show up, as predictable as it is sad.

Fri 8 May 2020 6:35 AM by joshisanonymous

One of our major BG guilds went to Hib recently, so the numbers for BGs have dwindled considerably, at least during NA hours, and we're down at least one consistent BG leader. I don't think Mid is inherently weak or has worse players, though, or even that they can't field strong BGs, but unlike Hib with Pilz and Alb with Polemo, we don't have BG leaders that stick around literally all day long every day to keep things going. Winning in the realm wars often just means that your BG has been going nonstop when the other BG leaders have had to log.

I think Mid's BG leaders are good, fun people to play with, though. It would be nice to finally get a relic bonus, but the fun is what's ultimately important.

Fri 8 May 2020 1:14 PM by dbeattie71

Astaa wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 5:16 AM
Mids keep claiming this but /serverinfo keeps proving them wrong.

I did see 3 fg mids roaming expers (at least one of them a guild group) in the gorge last night, that was quite funny to watch, the utter desperation on show was hilarious.

I was on the wall wanting to see what the fuss was all about with rangers and knew there would be groups of mids chasing expers so thought it would be a good place to test damage without zerging or adding on proper players. Didn't take long for them to show up, as predictable as it is sad.

Lol, I’ve watched that too. I always wonder if the gorge is where 8 mans come after they get curb rolled. The best is when they roll up on a green con fighting a mob and how they’re all casting/swinging as fast as possible to do some dmg before insta death.

Fri 8 May 2020 1:49 PM by mattymc

dbeattie71 wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 1:14 PM
Astaa wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 5:16 AM
Mids keep claiming this but /serverinfo keeps proving them wrong.

I did see 3 fg mids roaming expers (at least one of them a guild group) in the gorge last night, that was quite funny to watch, the utter desperation on show was hilarious.

I was on the wall wanting to see what the fuss was all about with rangers and knew there would be groups of mids chasing expers so thought it would be a good place to test damage without zerging or adding on proper players. Didn't take long for them to show up, as predictable as it is sad.

Lol, I’ve watched that too. I always wonder if the gorge is where 8 mans come after they get curb rolled. The best is when they roll up on a green con fighting a mob and how they’re all casting/swinging as fast as possible to do some dmg before insta death.

First and foremost this happens everywhere on all realms and proves that all realms do what you claim. HIbbs and Albs do the same crapola every single day -- so what!

More importantly, show me a time when the %'s show mid has an even shot let alone an advantage --- in numbers in NF or available to NF mid is consistently underpop --- there are zero stats that i have seen that say otherwise. There are multiple reasons proposed as to the WHY --- but ultimately the EFFECT is all that matters --- it's a 2 realm game. Look at the maps everyday, look at the relics, look at the numbers.

Solution wise, it's clear that an effective one hasn't been implemented; which is driving Phoenix to mirror live. There are multiple proposals throughout these threads; IMO it's time to get a little aggressive in balancing or do nothing and nothing will change. As a group, people flock to where it's easy, where rewards are plentiful without much effort....incentivize the competition or disincentivize the running to the numbers; it probably will require both.

Fri 8 May 2020 1:53 PM by dbeattie71

mattymc wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 1:49 PM
dbeattie71 wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 1:14 PM
Astaa wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 5:16 AM
Mids keep claiming this but /serverinfo keeps proving them wrong.

I did see 3 fg mids roaming expers (at least one of them a guild group) in the gorge last night, that was quite funny to watch, the utter desperation on show was hilarious.

I was on the wall wanting to see what the fuss was all about with rangers and knew there would be groups of mids chasing expers so thought it would be a good place to test damage without zerging or adding on proper players. Didn't take long for them to show up, as predictable as it is sad.

Lol, I’ve watched that too. I always wonder if the gorge is where 8 mans come after they get curb rolled. The best is when they roll up on a green con fighting a mob and how they’re all casting/swinging as fast as possible to do some dmg before insta death.

First and foremost this happens everywhere on all realms and proves that all realms do what you claim. HIbbs and Albs do the same crapola every single day -- so what!

More importantly, show me a time when the %'s show mid has an even shot let alone an advantage --- in numbers in NF or available to NF mid is consistently underpop --- there are zero stats that i have seen that say otherwise. There are multiple reasons proposed as to the WHY --- but ultimately the EFFECT is all that matters --- it's a 2 realm game. Look at the maps everyday, look at the relics, look at the numbers.

Solution wise, it's clear that an effective one hasn't been implemented; which is driving Phoenix to mirror live. There are multiple proposals throughout these threads; IMO it's time to get a little aggressive in balancing or do nothing and nothing will change. As a group, people flock to where it's easy, where rewards are plentiful without much effort....incentivize the competition or disincentivize the running to the numbers; it probably will require both.

True. Don’t get me wrong, I think it’s fine as is. It attempts to build some sort of team work in that highers will come out to defend or hang around to protect.

Fri 8 May 2020 2:29 PM by Azrael

mattymc wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 1:49 PM
More importantly, show me a time when the %'s show mid has an even shot let alone an advantage --- in numbers in NF or available to NF mid is consistently underpop --- there are zero stats that i have seen that say otherwise. There are multiple reasons proposed as to the WHY --- but ultimately the EFFECT is all that matters --- it's a 2 realm game. Look at the maps everyday, look at the relics, look at the numbers.

Solution wise, it's clear that an effective one hasn't been implemented; which is driving Phoenix to mirror live. There are multiple proposals throughout these threads; IMO it's time to get a little aggressive in balancing or do nothing and nothing will change. As a group, people flock to where it's easy, where rewards are plentiful without much effort....incentivize the competition or disincentivize the running to the numbers; it probably will require both.

Rofl, it is funny to see how do you avoid and do not name any of the multiple reasons why mid is underpop you just claim there are many reasons for it.
Do you see that mid also often win these domination tasks even if it is not in their home realm? Also when you write your first post in this thread some hours ago there was a mid underpop in general but was 2nd in frontiers.

Fri 8 May 2020 3:03 PM by Komaf

As someone who fluctuates with this game since there really isn't a lot of fun community these days - toxic and so forth to non-meta classes making this the ultimate niche game - it is nice to see on Hib that Pilz is working for hours daily and everyone gets to participate (even as toxic as Hib is to melee). On Alb we have Polemo who recently left Mid - and for a while we had Solic and another (I can't recall).

So that's two active leadership realms.

Mid seems so leaderless. Sure you have moments - intermittently interspersed throughout the long day that Pilz and Polemo offer. But it's by far not the same. Probably why there is a SKALD only BG on Mid like once a week.

I made a 50 skald just for that since Mid is otherwise so...uhnnn.

Sadly.

Leadership drives participation, breaches meta group thinking and makes folks recall the DAOC of the past. My guess is that leadership is a big deal on Phoenix as well, and a logical predictor of where folks will want to log in, since most players aren't l33t enough to play a solid 8 man *outside of a pug.

NOW - if the developers of this shard really want to offer a cool event, other than maybe some fun monthly stuff, they can certainly do more than just offer mindless, factionless, realmless, pvp. THey love the shard so I would expect that they might consider a few other ideas other than a hands up in the air approach (look up Asheron's Call and see what monthly events they used to create with a small team of programmers).

That being said, here's an idea (as we all have them I think it's at least therapeutic to myself to share one, lol) maybe it is time for devs to come in as:

The king/queen of each realm, calling all to the BG and XP/RP bonus being granted to players who join.

Imagine how cool that would be. Devs could play openly, rile up the community, engage in the lore. Hell, they could even bring in some of the gods if they wanted to. Play Thor and as a level 60 purple player run relic raids for a few hours on a Saturday event. Arthur could be resurrected for a short time, leading Albion - and HIbernia? Recall the king we saw in later expansions? How cool would that be? Imagine a dev playing an Elvish king who looks like Thranduil??

Anyway - this game has always had a lot of possibility. What would make it more fun is delving into what made DAoC unique in the first place: RvR and a desire to give players a lot of sense of us vs them vs them, where we have so many races and classes and cultural/religious differences between the realms that it really feels like the only mmorpg ever on the market to do so (because it is).

Instead of just offering a 24 x 7 Mordred free for all watered down pvp experience, the devs here could expand on a real sense of realm loyalty and lore. Lore? Imagine that in a fantasy mmorpg. Surely this would be by far more meaningful and tangible for the devs to do then what we have seen so far.

My 2 coppers.

Fri 8 May 2020 4:16 PM by darkstar00

Mid until the server dies. Ride the waves baby.

Fri 8 May 2020 4:41 PM by Eire

Lack of leadership is a very small reason to have such skewed numbers. I've seen some wonderful new BG leaders that do a great job. Shout out to Oadin, Johny, Getroasted/toasted, etc... (I am sure I am leaving someone out, apologies)

However, as of typing this: Albion: 563 Midgard: 386 Hibernia: 466. That's a staggering number just between Alb and Hib, but Alb and Mid - holy crap. But, current realm population aside, I have two suggestions that could help Mid currently and whatever realm is unfortunate enough to be on the low end of the stick:

One: greatly reduced bonus for taking keeps and towers in a realm with no relics, reduced RPs for attacking realms in enemy areas with no relics. Push the fight to the areas that would matter, strategically, to keep the balance flowing. Don't keep kicking Mid while we're down, camping our docks, camping our relic gates, etc... This still allows for enemies to go take keeps and towers for DF, but doesn't contribute to the absolute destruction happening to lower pop realms.
Two: increased percent for ROG drops and ROG quality for lower pop realm, based on percentage currently calculated for lower pop bonuses. Get those folks geared up quick that want to swap, give those with dramatically underpop numbers to get geared to get out and fight.

Making the game more cyclical in nature, no matter the realm with the lower pop, would help overall keep it flowing and balanced.

Fri 8 May 2020 6:27 PM by Astaa

Any more mids want to swing by CG gate? RPs are drying up a lil. Already decimated bads such as Kasimier and Act.

Fri 8 May 2020 6:30 PM by Vkejai

Mids need to get out of EV and touching statues. Dam tasks !

Fri 8 May 2020 8:56 PM by Astaa

Action in emain, still 3-4 Mid small mans hunting expers in CG...and they whine and whine and whine. Great stuff.

It's a learn to play issue, it really is.

Fri 8 May 2020 9:39 PM by Eire

Astaa wrote: It's a learn to play issue, it really is.

Learn to play is not going to magically create 100+ allies to run with in the Frontiers, or run epic dungeons, or flood merchants with good ROGs, or... I can go on. Once you get behind in a competitive game like this, its very hard to catch up unless you do some drastic and dramatic changes - which invariably end up causing something else to break. It's a delicate balance all the way around.

Having said that, let's be productive here. Let's try to sort where we can address the issues and make it a much more interesting three realm game. I've had a ton of fun here and I want it to keep going for a good time longer. Do you really want a lot of Mids to throw their hands up and leave? That's no fun for anyone.

Fri 8 May 2020 9:50 PM by Quik

Eire wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 9:39 PM
Astaa wrote: It's a learn to play issue, it really is.

Learn to play is not going to magically create 100+ allies to run with in the Frontiers, or run epic dungeons, or flood merchants with good ROGs, or... I can go on. Once you get behind in a competitive game like this, its very hard to catch up unless you do some drastic and dramatic changes - which invariably end up causing something else to break. It's a delicate balance all the way around.

Having said that, let's be productive here. Let's try to sort where we can address the issues and make it a much more interesting three realm game. I've had a ton of fun here and I want it to keep going for a good time longer. Do you really want a lot of Mids to throw their hands up and leave? That's no fun for anyone.

Actually it is a learn to play issue in a lot of cases.

How tiring it must be for people leading TG raid in Mid and they tell people hundreds of times to not have any cold procs and what happens? Numerous people just don't care or don't listen or are deliberately wanting to mess with things by using cold procs and wipe the raid at the worst time. Also, the times when people are told to drop pets to avoid agro, and of course someone has to not do it and ends up making it take longer because they couldn't be bothered to listen or simply didn't care. Lastly, people are asked to not go afk during critical parts and you see numerous people all afk stuck on others or standing by the wall not doing anything.

Those are learn to play issues that people just can't be bothered to listen and follow directions or just don't care.

These cause people to get tired of leading TG raids and not want to do them again.

And don't get me going on the dragon and people not following directions again. Another learn to play...

Fri 8 May 2020 10:35 PM by Eire

Quik, that is helpful. I'll concede many of those points as I have personally seen them. Small steps will help from a learn to play for epic dungeons. Patient raid leaders help a lot. Alliances can build up a good group to run, which I am sure will come with time. However, that's TG and PvE. Right now, Alb can run entire 180 or 160 person epic dungeons with just the population disparity they have over Mid and Hib and STILL compete in RvR. What I think we need is some sort of bonuses that would lure people to balance things out more evenly, without tipping the scales too much. Other than my ROG ideas and reduced points for taking keeps and towers in realms without relics, not sure what else to do to incentivize the Mids here. I guess just give it time. We'll get there.

Fri 8 May 2020 11:53 PM by mattymc

Azrael wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 2:29 PM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 1:49 PM
More importantly, show me a time when the %'s show mid has an even shot let alone an advantage --- in numbers in NF or available to NF mid is consistently underpop --- there are zero stats that i have seen that say otherwise. There are multiple reasons proposed as to the WHY --- but ultimately the EFFECT is all that matters --- it's a 2 realm game. Look at the maps everyday, look at the relics, look at the numbers.

Solution wise, it's clear that an effective one hasn't been implemented; which is driving Phoenix to mirror live. There are multiple proposals throughout these threads; IMO it's time to get a little aggressive in balancing or do nothing and nothing will change. As a group, people flock to where it's easy, where rewards are plentiful without much effort....incentivize the competition or disincentivize the running to the numbers; it probably will require both.

Rofl, it is funny to see how do you avoid and do not name any of the multiple reasons why mid is underpop you just claim there are many reasons for it.
Do you see that mid also often win these domination tasks even if it is not in their home realm? Also when you write your first post in this thread some hours ago there was a mid underpop in general but was 2nd in frontiers.

I do hope english is NOT your first language -- if so, wow...work on the comprehension. If you want a list of various reasons MID is underpop or people are leaving, read the boards, they are all over....I don't care to regurgitate em for ya. You also clearly have no concept how the 'domination' tasks work as they are not dis-positive of anything other than who is actually trying to 'win' one --- most only give a crap about participation. Finally, one snapshot where something happens is hardly indicative of anything.

Fri 8 May 2020 11:55 PM by mattymc

Quik wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 9:50 PM
Eire wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 9:39 PM
Astaa wrote: It's a learn to play issue, it really is.

Learn to play is not going to magically create 100+ allies to run with in the Frontiers, or run epic dungeons, or flood merchants with good ROGs, or... I can go on. Once you get behind in a competitive game like this, its very hard to catch up unless you do some drastic and dramatic changes - which invariably end up causing something else to break. It's a delicate balance all the way around.

Having said that, let's be productive here. Let's try to sort where we can address the issues and make it a much more interesting three realm game. I've had a ton of fun here and I want it to keep going for a good time longer. Do you really want a lot of Mids to throw their hands up and leave? That's no fun for anyone.

Actually it is a learn to play issue in a lot of cases.

How tiring it must be for people leading TG raid in Mid and they tell people hundreds of times to not have any cold procs and what happens? Numerous people just don't care or don't listen or are deliberately wanting to mess with things by using cold procs and wipe the raid at the worst time. Also, the times when people are told to drop pets to avoid agro, and of course someone has to not do it and ends up making it take longer because they couldn't be bothered to listen or simply didn't care. Lastly, people are asked to not go afk during critical parts and you see numerous people all afk stuck on others or standing by the wall not doing anything.

Those are learn to play issues that people just can't be bothered to listen and follow directions or just don't care.

These cause people to get tired of leading TG raids and not want to do them again.

And don't get me going on the dragon and people not following directions again. Another learn to play...

Quite true on all points but it's quite true in all realms so....and learning what to do on a PvE raid doesn't equate to being decent at RvR.

Sat 9 May 2020 12:02 AM by Quik

mattymc wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 11:55 PM
Quite true on all points but it's quite true in all realms so....and learning what to do on a PvE raid doesn't equate to being decent at RvR.

I agree it doesn't...but if you can't get people to stop using cold procs after being told a hundred times, how do you expect them to learn who to peel at the right time and who to cast amnesia on etc.

Sat 9 May 2020 1:35 AM by Azrael

mattymc wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 11:53 PM
Azrael wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 2:29 PM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 1:49 PM
More importantly, show me a time when the %'s show mid has an even shot let alone an advantage --- in numbers in NF or available to NF mid is consistently underpop --- there are zero stats that i have seen that say otherwise. There are multiple reasons proposed as to the WHY --- but ultimately the EFFECT is all that matters --- it's a 2 realm game. Look at the maps everyday, look at the relics, look at the numbers.

Solution wise, it's clear that an effective one hasn't been implemented; which is driving Phoenix to mirror live. There are multiple proposals throughout these threads; IMO it's time to get a little aggressive in balancing or do nothing and nothing will change. As a group, people flock to where it's easy, where rewards are plentiful without much effort....incentivize the competition or disincentivize the running to the numbers; it probably will require both.

Rofl, it is funny to see how do you avoid and do not name any of the multiple reasons why mid is underpop you just claim there are many reasons for it.
Do you see that mid also often win these domination tasks even if it is not in their home realm? Also when you write your first post in this thread some hours ago there was a mid underpop in general but was 2nd in frontiers.

I do hope english is NOT your first language -- if so, wow...work on the comprehension. If you want a list of various reasons MID is underpop or people are leaving, read the boards, they are all over....I don't care to regurgitate em for ya. You also clearly have no concept how the 'domination' tasks work as they are not dis-positive of anything other than who is actually trying to 'win' one --- most only give a crap about participation. Finally, one snapshot where something happens is hardly indicative of anything.

The boards are full of whining and false claims like yours. If there are plenty reasons and you can not even name a few I assume either you're lying or you have no idea what you're talking about

Sat 9 May 2020 1:46 AM by dbeattie71

In summary, Mids population is low because of cold procs . Lol

Sat 9 May 2020 3:36 AM by gotwqqd

I think if ANY realm is severely underpopulated or overpopulated in RvR they can lock the overpopulated realm(s) out.

You still have choice of doing pve stuff or signing in to another realm for rvr

Sat 9 May 2020 4:14 AM by Durandal

when mids get together to accomplish a common goal, they are really strong. it isnt a balance issue. it is just simply that the mids dont want to get together to accomplish a common goal. when someone steps up and people follow, the situation will be vastly different. but for now this is what it is. sometimes people step up, but not enough people will follow although they are online and playing. sometimes people want to follow but there is no one stepping up.

albs can have the same issue in us time zone as we've seen lately. hibs have damn near 24/7 coverage and you see a snowball effect as that is very attractive to people.

Sat 9 May 2020 4:58 AM by Jeterix

When you quote population numbers just remember that at least 100 of those albs are in sidi.

Then imagine that you are in an rvr BG and then someone forms a sidi raid and now your rvr bg is a third of the size it was before until the sidi raid is over, meanwhile the hib BG is still huge.

Sat 9 May 2020 9:27 AM by Eire

Off peak server times and we're looking still looking at incredibly disparate numbers: Albion: 293 Midgard: 208 Hibernia: 316

As a Mid at heart, that just hurts. There's been some good ideas here, let's keep them coming!

Sat 9 May 2020 2:45 PM by Jeterix

And also while we are talking about BG leaders lets not forgot that polemo is a toxic player. Dude is constantly yelling at everyone and just in general totally disrespectful.

Mids can have him please take him.

Its funny cause mids are on here complaining they have no BG lead. Well I really wish that the alb BG lead would go play with you instead of us.

Also I think that it was already noted that polemo plays all day every day so there is virtually no opportunity for other BG leaders to get a chance.

Sometimes none is better than one.

Sat 9 May 2020 3:05 PM by mattymc

Azrael wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 1:35 AM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 11:53 PM
Azrael wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 2:29 PM
Rofl, it is funny to see how do you avoid and do not name any of the multiple reasons why mid is underpop you just claim there are many reasons for it.
Do you see that mid also often win these domination tasks even if it is not in their home realm? Also when you write your first post in this thread some hours ago there was a mid underpop in general but was 2nd in frontiers.

I do hope english is NOT your first language -- if so, wow...work on the comprehension. If you want a list of various reasons MID is underpop or people are leaving, read the boards, they are all over....I don't care to regurgitate em for ya. You also clearly have no concept how the 'domination' tasks work as they are not dis-positive of anything other than who is actually trying to 'win' one --- most only give a crap about participation. Finally, one snapshot where something happens is hardly indicative of anything.

The boards are full of whining and false claims like yours. If there are plenty reasons and you can not even name a few I assume either you're lying or you have no idea what you're talking about

Show me a false claim --- all I see is you whining tbh. READ the boards yourself, I am not gonna waste time typing stuff you don't understand; work on your comprehension.

Sat 9 May 2020 3:11 PM by mattymc

Durandal wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 4:14 AM
when mids get together to accomplish a common goal, they are really strong. it isnt a balance issue. it is just simply that the mids dont want to get together to accomplish a common goal. when someone steps up and people follow, the situation will be vastly different. but for now this is what it is. sometimes people step up, but not enough people will follow although they are online and playing. sometimes people want to follow but there is no one stepping up.

albs can have the same issue in us time zone as we've seen lately. hibs have damn near 24/7 coverage and you see a snowball effect as that is very attractive to people.

It's numbers ... when albs have the numbers in NF <they always have numbers, they are just not always in the frontier> they do fine, good even .... but when they are down 30 to 60% in NF, not so much. The problem on MID is the NUMBERS are down in NF and OVERALL ---- even if every 50 < the majority of the time> goes into NF and actually fights, MID rarely gets parity in numbers. There are now and probably always will be some class inequities, but when it's so easy to maximize RP by simply running everything over and PvE for RP --- why play on the low pop realm. I know tons of people that claim they go here and there for many reasons, but it's always amazing how they all end up on the Overpopulated realm getting MORE rps then they did on the underpop ones; not addressing THAT is what is appalling. Phoenix looks like live; that is NOT good.

Sat 9 May 2020 6:00 PM by shintacki

A few months ago there was a thread on the forums titled "Midgard the server destructor" or something like that...

Just saying.

Sat 9 May 2020 6:09 PM by Eire

shintacki wrote: A few months ago there was a thread on the forums titled "Midgard the server destructor" or something like that...

Just saying.

That is correct, and I am glad you mentioned it. Then, like now, the population was at a 30-40% swing towards Midgard. What I hope we can accomplish through this thread are some ideas on how to prevent such lopsided instances of population imbalances that lead to an unhappy play experience for the lower pop realm. I still believe that reduced RPs and bonuses for taking Keeps and towers within realms that own no relics is a start and increased percent for high ROG drops and higher ROG quality in those realms underpopulated by such a drastic amount.

Today, this morning, Midgard did great. We took back our keeps and towers in our homeland and got a relic back. Mostly because we were organized and the Hib/Alb zerg was busy in Alb land, since... that's where the relics were (before Hib got it this morning/late last nite). Pushing the fight to those areas that actually own relics made the realm without their relic able to have a pretty good run at getting back their keeps and towers. I would say that Mids had fun this morning too in doing so.

Just so we keep the tally going, as of typing this:Albion: 597 Midgard: 450 Hibernia: 560

Sat 9 May 2020 6:29 PM by shintacki

My point is that the server is still here, and thriving. People will get bored of hibs domination and things will change. The devs don't need to regulate every little instance of imbalance or player frustration. There's nothing identifiably fixable in these situations, there already xp and rp bonuses, maluses just make people upset, and increasing RoGs is just not a great idea. There's no shortage of RoGs in any realm just because that realm is underpopulated. DS only requires one group last I checked.

Im playing mid now more than ever because it's underpopulated and I'm not the only one. You, and most importantly, the server will survive midgard getting it's asskicked for a couple months.

Sat 9 May 2020 11:07 PM by Azrael

shintacki wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 6:29 PM
My point is that the server is still here, and thriving. People will get bored of hibs domination and things will change. The devs don't need to regulate every little instance of imbalance or player frustration. There's nothing identifiably fixable in these situations, there already xp and rp bonuses, maluses just make people upset, and increasing RoGs is just not a great idea. There's no shortage of RoGs in any realm just because that realm is underpopulated. DS only requires one group last I checked.

<3

Sat 9 May 2020 11:26 PM by Tyrlaan

mattymc wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 3:11 PM
Durandal wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 4:14 AM
when mids get together to accomplish a common goal, they are really strong. it isnt a balance issue. it is just simply that the mids dont want to get together to accomplish a common goal. when someone steps up and people follow, the situation will be vastly different. but for now this is what it is. sometimes people step up, but not enough people will follow although they are online and playing. sometimes people want to follow but there is no one stepping up.

albs can have the same issue in us time zone as we've seen lately. hibs have damn near 24/7 coverage and you see a snowball effect as that is very attractive to people.

It's numbers ... when albs have the numbers in NF <they always have numbers, they are just not always in the frontier> they do fine, good even .... but when they are down 30 to 60% in NF, not so much. The problem on MID is the NUMBERS are down in NF and OVERALL ---- even if every 50 < the majority of the time> goes into NF and actually fights, MID rarely gets parity in numbers. There are now and probably always will be some class inequities, but when it's so easy to maximize RP by simply running everything over and PvE for RP --- why play on the low pop realm. I know tons of people that claim they go here and there for many reasons, but it's always amazing how they all end up on the Overpopulated realm getting MORE rps then they did on the underpop ones; not addressing THAT is what is appalling. Phoenix looks like live; that is NOT good.

Uhh just a month ago it has been Mid leading the NF numbers... and it´s been that way for most of the server´s lifetime (to a point where Hib - even with 6 relics - has /underpop bonuses most of the time). It´s just that Mid has quite many 8mans fighting over the EV sandbox (resulting in DF for Mid most of the time due to EV towers) and plenty of Skald/BD solos/duo/smallman running around and usually doesn´t accomplish much in terms of RvR (ports, keeps, relics) unless it´s NA primetime (with a BG lead).

Sat 9 May 2020 11:39 PM by mattymc

Tyrlaan wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 11:26 PM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 3:11 PM
Durandal wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 4:14 AM
when mids get together to accomplish a common goal, they are really strong. it isnt a balance issue. it is just simply that the mids dont want to get together to accomplish a common goal. when someone steps up and people follow, the situation will be vastly different. but for now this is what it is. sometimes people step up, but not enough people will follow although they are online and playing. sometimes people want to follow but there is no one stepping up.

albs can have the same issue in us time zone as we've seen lately. hibs have damn near 24/7 coverage and you see a snowball effect as that is very attractive to people.

It's numbers ... when albs have the numbers in NF <they always have numbers, they are just not always in the frontier> they do fine, good even .... but when they are down 30 to 60% in NF, not so much. The problem on MID is the NUMBERS are down in NF and OVERALL ---- even if every 50 < the majority of the time> goes into NF and actually fights, MID rarely gets parity in numbers. There are now and probably always will be some class inequities, but when it's so easy to maximize RP by simply running everything over and PvE for RP --- why play on the low pop realm. I know tons of people that claim they go here and there for many reasons, but it's always amazing how they all end up on the Overpopulated realm getting MORE rps then they did on the underpop ones; not addressing THAT is what is appalling. Phoenix looks like live; that is NOT good.

Uhh just a month ago it has been Mid leading the NF numbers... and it´s been that way for most of the server´s lifetime (to a point where Hib - even with 6 relics - has /underpop bonuses most of the time). It´s just that Mid has quite many 8mans fighting over the EV sandbox (resulting in DF for Mid most of the time due to EV towers) and plenty of Skald/BD solos/duo/smallman running around and usually doesn´t accomplish much in terms of RvR (ports, keeps, relics) unless it´s NA primetime (with a BG lead).

While somewhat true; it's not ACCURATE...there were MORE mids in NF for sure, BUT there were more 50 hibbs and ALBS on they just chose not to be in NF --- an issue, not a problem -- that ISN'T true now -- both available and IN NF, MIDS are lacking.

Regardless of where the POPULATION issue lies, getting MORE RP's for fighting less people <or even the same, etc> is BAD for the GAME. This is exactly what happened on LIVE causing exodus after exodus.

Sun 10 May 2020 12:39 AM by Azrael

mattymc wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 11:39 PM
Regardless of where the POPULATION issue lies, getting MORE RP's for fighting less people <or even the same, etc> is BAD for the GAME. This is exactly what happened on LIVE causing exodus after exodus.

I see you have still no clue about the game.

Sun 10 May 2020 1:31 PM by Toss

Its always gonna shift, but slow... As stated before all 3 realms have ruled the world... like 5-6 months ago Albs were non existant, it was basicly Decent hibs vs strong Mids

Sun 10 May 2020 5:14 PM by mattymc

Azrael wrote: ↑
Sun 10 May 2020 12:39 AM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 11:39 PM
Regardless of where the POPULATION issue lies, getting MORE RP's for fighting less people <or even the same, etc> is BAD for the GAME. This is exactly what happened on LIVE causing exodus after exodus.

I see you have still no clue about the game.

Keep working on that comprehension -- one day it will be up to snuff. I realize you just wanna roll over stuff and be handed everything free, but some prefer and actual challenge

Sun 10 May 2020 9:54 PM by ptitbiscuit

People always be blaming the bg leaders or the lack of bg but hey guys we ve got a life ans you cant be on everyday at every hour or so, if you feel like your realm needs a bg and you see there s none then go ahead and take the lead , leading rve bg is a real exauhsting thing and gettin rolled over again and again aint helping , main problem i see in mid currently isnt the number of bg leaders , its the number of mids willing to join it. Like someone said above , midgard is nowadays more a 8man realm when you look at the tasks its really comon to see midgard win by 1000points and the reason s simple , there s 4 or 5fgs roaming the task when same 4 5fgs albs hibs are in the bg . Its also one of the reason people do not join bgs because when albs hibs run 100+ prime time EU and mids got 40 well you get rolled over and people get discouraged and the next day you down to 38 then 35 then 30 and those people you lost they just go 8man imo, people need to be more resilient. But thats once again very hard to do and as a bg leader its hard doing /bg count and it says 80membeers and when i look around me there 2fgs.
Getroasted.

Mon 11 May 2020 3:58 PM by Shamissa

Sad but true @ Getroasted.

Tue 12 May 2020 2:39 AM by Highfather17

Yeah people probably got tired of playing the lamest realm. When there's no challenge in the game then people lose interest.

Wed 13 May 2020 7:27 AM by ddelmarle

just add +50 % damage for the current underpopulated realm, and you will always have all realms at same lvl

Wed 13 May 2020 8:14 AM by Chihuahua

ddelmarle wrote: ↑
Wed 13 May 2020 7:27 AM
just add +50 % damage for the current underpopulated realm, and you will always have all realms at same lvl

worst suggestion ever.

Wed 13 May 2020 8:58 AM by borodino1812

BG leaders make or break realms for casual players. When there is no BG, or the realm develops a fondness for having no BG, the casual players will go to a realm that has a realm BG on a consistent basis.

Wed 13 May 2020 9:13 AM by inoeth

do 8v8, no BG leader needed, problem solved

*everything went better than expected meme*

Wed 13 May 2020 1:21 PM by mattymc

inoeth wrote: ↑
Wed 13 May 2020 9:13 AM
do 8v8, no BG leader needed, problem solved

*everything went better than expected meme*

I always find it amazing that this is acceptable -- only playing arguably 1/4 of the game <8/small/solo/zerg>, but having to actually choose a realm is unacceptable.

It's a MMORPG --- shouldn't the devs do everything to SUPPORT that...just asking the question.

Wed 13 May 2020 1:29 PM by Razur Ur

mattymc wrote: ↑
Wed 13 May 2020 1:21 PM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Wed 13 May 2020 9:13 AM
do 8v8, no BG leader needed, problem solved

*everything went better than expected meme*

I always find it amazing that this is acceptable -- only playing arguably 1/4 of the game <8/small/solo/zerg>, but having to actually choose a realm is unacceptable.

It's a MMORPG --- shouldn't the devs do everything to SUPPORT that...just asking the question.

If you want MMORPG go PVM Raids :-D

Thu 14 May 2020 9:16 AM by Eidorf

It's very simple...

Everyone started phoenix with great aspirations, 8v8, soloing, whatever, but as the server gets older high realm rank groups/players (the minority) dominate. This causes everyone else (the majority) to seek safety in numbers. This means whichever realm has the most dedicated BG leaders eventually bloats.

Until RR is less of an "I Win", this will never change.

The only option I see (outside of rethinking the whole progression system) is making active RA's have a much longer reuse timer AND (not or) and give all classes a basic set of essential realm abilities on hitting 50.

Thu 14 May 2020 10:58 AM by Gildar

ptitbiscuit wrote: ↑
Sun 10 May 2020 9:54 PM
People always be blaming the bg leaders or the lack of bg but hey guys we ve got a life ans you cant be on everyday at every hour or so, if you feel like your realm needs a bg and you see there s none then go ahead and take the lead , leading rve bg is a real exauhsting thing and gettin rolled over again and again aint helping , main problem i see in mid currently isnt the number of bg leaders , its the number of mids willing to join it. Like someone said above , midgard is nowadays more a 8man realm when you look at the tasks its really comon to see midgard win by 1000points and the reason s simple , there s 4 or 5fgs roaming the task when same 4 5fgs albs hibs are in the bg . Its also one of the reason people do not join bgs because when albs hibs run 100+ prime time EU and mids got 40 well you get rolled over and people get discouraged and the next day you down to 38 then 35 then 30 and those people you lost they just go 8man imo, people need to be more resilient. But thats once again very hard to do and as a bg leader its hard doing /bg count and it says 80membeers and when i look around me there 2fgs.
Getroasted.

This is pure truth.
Getroasted hit the mark.
I have always played on Hib, and I remember several BG leaders (Pilz, Amolin, Fernando etc.) ... we fought Mid when it dominated the BG server with 3 groups not full (20 people) and released many times, but we resisted .

Even now Fernando's BG often runs with 2-3 groups and 5-10 soloers.

Today the BG Fernando took the last relic to MId ... at the start of the BG we were only 2 groups .... we took 4 keeps (alb and mid) before the BG rise up to 4 grps ... only at relic keep we took 5 grps.

The point is this: on Hib even if all the BG is killed, it returns as before ... even if we die several times .... we resist, defend Hibernia (Hib must be green is our motto), even if we die 10 times in a row against 130 pg of Polemo's BG.

Yesterday afternoon (EU time) in 3 groups we fought against the BG of Maxisto (about 50 pg) and we returned 3 times ... then we moved to Alb (always in 3 groups) and we fought for 3 hours without Pilz, without fernando ... Smap led the BG ... and everyone followed him through 4 /rel in a row without giving up.

I have friends who play on Mid ... when some BG leader call to arms ... very few join... and at the first /rel leave ... they don't resist and they don't go back to fighting.

As a Hib player I hope that Getroasted (/milit to you Getr) will return to lead Mid, we also like to fight epic battles with large numbers. The problem is that in Mid (the friends who play it tell me) nobody follows the BG leaders ... it's not the numbers ... as I wrote above, often the BG Hib has max 3/4 groups (30 pg. ..) ... Mid doesn't have 30 pg 50 online ???

But Hib is resilient .... Mid gave up too soon ...

Thu 14 May 2020 12:18 PM by Eire

Gildar, we're doing our best. We'll get back to it eventually. For now, it's clear Hib has overwhelming numbers and RRs. These only keep growing the more you keep taking, because you are rewarded for doing so, and it's not getting better.

There has to be a reduced rate of return for taking Keeps and Towers in realms with no relics. Period. If you want to fight RvR, then do it. Being a Mid, yeah it sucked to lose our relic, but I get it... you cleared a path to get it and you did it. Good job. We'll do our best to organize a fight and get back at it. This morning though has been rough.

Having said that, Hibs taking all the towers and keeps in Albion should have provided zero RPs. Clear domination of a realm, with no relics, should provide no rewards. Population numbers aside, give the defending realm a bonus for retaking their stuff, not the attackers for taking keeps and towers in a realm with no incentive to defend. (Edit: what I mean to say is you should get RPs for fighting players, you should not get RPs for taking defenseless towers and keeps)

Thu 14 May 2020 12:39 PM by mattymc

Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 14 May 2020 10:58 AM
ptitbiscuit wrote: ↑
Sun 10 May 2020 9:54 PM
People always be blaming the bg leaders or the lack of bg but hey guys we ve got a life ans you cant be on everyday at every hour or so, if you feel like your realm needs a bg and you see there s none then go ahead and take the lead , leading rve bg is a real exauhsting thing and gettin rolled over again and again aint helping , main problem i see in mid currently isnt the number of bg leaders , its the number of mids willing to join it. Like someone said above , midgard is nowadays more a 8man realm when you look at the tasks its really comon to see midgard win by 1000points and the reason s simple , there s 4 or 5fgs roaming the task when same 4 5fgs albs hibs are in the bg . Its also one of the reason people do not join bgs because when albs hibs run 100+ prime time EU and mids got 40 well you get rolled over and people get discouraged and the next day you down to 38 then 35 then 30 and those people you lost they just go 8man imo, people need to be more resilient. But thats once again very hard to do and as a bg leader its hard doing /bg count and it says 80membeers and when i look around me there 2fgs.
Getroasted.

This is pure truth.
Getroasted hit the mark.
I have always played on Hib, and I remember several BG leaders (Pilz, Amolin, Fernando etc.) ... we fought Mid when it dominated the BG server with 3 groups not full (20 people) and released many times, but we resisted .

Even now Fernando's BG often runs with 2-3 groups and 5-10 soloers.

Today the BG Fernando took the last relic to MId ... at the start of the BG we were only 2 groups .... we took 4 keeps (alb and mid) before the BG rise up to 4 grps ... only at relic keep we took 5 grps.

The point is this: on Hib even if all the BG is killed, it returns as before ... even if we die several times .... we resist, defend Hibernia (Hib must be green is our motto), even if we die 10 times in a row against 130 pg of Polemo's BG.

Yesterday afternoon (EU time) in 3 groups we fought against the BG of Maxisto (about 50 pg) and we returned 3 times ... then we moved to Alb (always in 3 groups) and we fought for 3 hours without Pilz, without fernando ... Smap led the BG ... and everyone followed him through 4 /rel in a row without giving up.

I have friends who play on Mid ... when some BG leader call to arms ... very few join... and at the first /rel leave ... they don't resist and they don't go back to fighting.

As a Hib player I hope that Getroasted (/milit to you Getr) will return to lead Mid, we also like to fight epic battles with large numbers. The problem is that in Mid (the friends who play it tell me) nobody follows the BG leaders ... it's not the numbers ... as I wrote above, often the BG Hib has max 3/4 groups (30 pg. ..) ... Mid doesn't have 30 pg 50 online ???

But Hib is resilient .... Mid gave up too soon ...

This is the most absolutely fraudulent thing I have seen in loonnngg time -- at least numbers wise. Do you even LOOK at the numbers with /U....I was on for a while last night and the numbers at Nott, the first keep. were over 90 --- 3 groups --- delusional. It's been said before but the NUMBERS dont lie -- just the players <mis>quoting them.

As to people quitting --- can't argue there ... Half the HIBB BG is the lazy miscreants who left mid to be lazy .

Quit giving RP for the walk over or PvE of keeps and it will be amazing how fast things balance out.

Thu 14 May 2020 12:55 PM by nicolas

These posts are annoying, few months ago hib was crying after mids, then hib was crying after alb, then mids were crying after hibs, then mids were crying after albs, alb was crying after mids then to finish alb was crying after hibs... Now that the circle is closed it starts back at the beginning until the population changes from realm. So it has been like this since 2001 with a realm dominating others, so making philosophy on a that has always been existing and that is turning from realm to realm into the time isn t valuable to argue in the long term, just look at the population health and enjoy the game as it on current realm balance, don t forget that maybe it will change in the next weeks... Who knows.

Thu 14 May 2020 12:58 PM by Eire

mattymc wrote: Quit giving RP for the walk over or PvE of keeps and it will be amazing how fast things balance out.

And correct me if I am wrong, taking a keep and/or tower is 1000 RP? Then you get task bonus for RvRng for another 1000RP every 30m?

Let's do some math. If you are clearing a couple towers and keeps an hour and getting your task bonus every 30m, you can easily clear 4-5k RP an hour for quite literally doing nothing but following around a BG in a realm with no relics, no defense, and no desire to do so. RR3 in a matter of a couple days without even doing anything with no resistance against realms with no relics.

Solution: Triple that when you have no relics and you are taking your own keeps/towers back. Double that for taking towers and keeps in realms that have your relic. Keep it even/same taking someone else's that has no relics (to not punish those who have no one to RvR against).

Thu 14 May 2020 1:05 PM by Razur Ur

Eire wrote: ↑
Thu 14 May 2020 12:58 PM
Let's do some math. If you are clearing a couple towers and keeps an hour and getting your task bonus every 30m, you can easily clear 4-5k RP an hour for quite literally doing nothing but following around a BG in a realm with no relics, no defense, and no desire to do so. RR3 in a matter of a couple days without even doing anything with no resistance against realms with no relics.

you mean 6k until 10k the hour ^_^. look up the rp/hour from pilzpower and then you know it.

Thu 14 May 2020 1:10 PM by Razur Ur

you get constantly more rps on the server through keep raiding and openfield zerging in contrast to 8vs8 fighting with causal players and the ratio doesn't fit! so it's no wonder that most casualplayers keeps prefer raiding with zerg instead of running with group off the BG leader.

Thu 14 May 2020 1:19 PM by Eire

Razur Ur wrote:
Eire wrote: ↑
Thu 14 May 2020 12:58 PM
Let's do some math. If you are clearing a couple towers and keeps an hour and getting your task bonus every 30m, you can easily clear 4-5k RP an hour for quite literally doing nothing but following around a BG in a realm with no relics, no defense, and no desire to do so. RR3 in a matter of a couple days without even doing anything with no resistance against realms with no relics.

you mean 6k until 10k the hour ^_^. look up the rp/hour from pilzpower and then you know it.

Wow, I was way off. Thank you.

Thu 14 May 2020 1:48 PM by Gildar

mattymc wrote: ↑
Thu 14 May 2020 12:39 PM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 14 May 2020 10:58 AM
ptitbiscuit wrote: ↑
Sun 10 May 2020 9:54 PM
People always be blaming the bg leaders or the lack of bg but hey guys we ve got a life ans you cant be on everyday at every hour or so, if you feel like your realm needs a bg and you see there s none then go ahead and take the lead , leading rve bg is a real exauhsting thing and gettin rolled over again and again aint helping , main problem i see in mid currently isnt the number of bg leaders , its the number of mids willing to join it. Like someone said above , midgard is nowadays more a 8man realm when you look at the tasks its really comon to see midgard win by 1000points and the reason s simple , there s 4 or 5fgs roaming the task when same 4 5fgs albs hibs are in the bg . Its also one of the reason people do not join bgs because when albs hibs run 100+ prime time EU and mids got 40 well you get rolled over and people get discouraged and the next day you down to 38 then 35 then 30 and those people you lost they just go 8man imo, people need to be more resilient. But thats once again very hard to do and as a bg leader its hard doing /bg count and it says 80membeers and when i look around me there 2fgs.
Getroasted.

This is pure truth.
Getroasted hit the mark.
I have always played on Hib, and I remember several BG leaders (Pilz, Amolin, Fernando etc.) ... we fought Mid when it dominated the BG server with 3 groups not full (20 people) and released many times, but we resisted .

Even now Fernando's BG often runs with 2-3 groups and 5-10 soloers.

Today the BG Fernando took the last relic to MId ... at the start of the BG we were only 2 groups .... we took 4 keeps (alb and mid) before the BG rise up to 4 grps ... only at relic keep we took 5 grps.

The point is this: on Hib even if all the BG is killed, it returns as before ... even if we die several times .... we resist, defend Hibernia (Hib must be green is our motto), even if we die 10 times in a row against 130 pg of Polemo's BG.

Yesterday afternoon (EU time) in 3 groups we fought against the BG of Maxisto (about 50 pg) and we returned 3 times ... then we moved to Alb (always in 3 groups) and we fought for 3 hours without Pilz, without fernando ... Smap led the BG ... and everyone followed him through 4 /rel in a row without giving up.

I have friends who play on Mid ... when some BG leader call to arms ... very few join... and at the first /rel leave ... they don't resist and they don't go back to fighting.

As a Hib player I hope that Getroasted (/milit to you Getr) will return to lead Mid, we also like to fight epic battles with large numbers. The problem is that in Mid (the friends who play it tell me) nobody follows the BG leaders ... it's not the numbers ... as I wrote above, often the BG Hib has max 3/4 groups (30 pg. ..) ... Mid doesn't have 30 pg 50 online ???

But Hib is resilient .... Mid gave up too soon ...
This is the most absolutely fraudulent thing I have seen in loonnngg time -- at least numbers wise. Do you even LOOK at the numbers with /U....I was on for a while last night and the numbers at Nott, the first keep. were over 90 --- 3 groups --- delusional. It's been said before but the NUMBERS dont lie -- just the players <mis>quoting them.

.....

lol i have to explain numbers ???

I was there, i saw we are 2 grps at start today and 4 grps after ... yes if i check BG count was 90 ... but only 4 grps are following BG ... others was roaming far from BG and that's why are in BG chat ... or some 8mans pro that hunt the lone defenders trying to go at sieged keep ... other are farming gold/rogs and read the BG chat only to come when we inc relic keep or to wait us at keep where we drop the relic to take the credit .... u know ?

The numbers dont lie ... but me too ... we are 2 grps at start today ... and 5 at relic keep ... we never was 90 lol ... u can ask to all players that where here.

And yesterday afternoon we were 3 groups in Smap BG .... also BG count tell 80 .... but we died many times , before to 50 mids lead by Maxistoo and after by alb BG ... if we are really 80 we rolled ... but we are 3 grps and we died 4 times in a row

For the playstyle ... i like siege fight, if there are many defenders/attackers is the best .... i played many times 8v8 in past 20 years of daoc life ad that annoying me ... inc ... cc'ed ... dd ... stun .... dd ... kite ... rinse and repeat lol ... i prefer fight 100 vs 100 ... (just my 2 cents) ... and anyway you cant tell me how i have to play ... i play my style, u make what you prefere ... nevermind for me

Thu 14 May 2020 1:53 PM by Gildar

Eire wrote: ↑
Thu 14 May 2020 12:18 PM
Gildar, we're doing our best. We'll get back to it eventually. For now, it's clear Hib has overwhelming numbers and RRs. These only keep growing the more you keep taking, because you are rewarded for doing so, and it's not getting better.

There has to be a reduced rate of return for taking Keeps and Towers in realms with no relics. Period. If you want to fight RvR, then do it. Being a Mid, yeah it sucked to lose our relic, but I get it... you cleared a path to get it and you did it. Good job. We'll do our best to organize a fight and get back at it. This morning though has been rough.

Having said that, Hibs taking all the towers and keeps in Albion should have provided zero RPs. Clear domination of a realm, with no relics, should provide no rewards. Population numbers aside, give the defending realm a bonus for retaking their stuff, not the attackers for taking keeps and towers in a realm with no incentive to defend. (Edit: what I mean to say is you should get RPs for fighting players, you should not get RPs for taking defenseless towers and keeps)

I whis the best for you Eire ... and i hope you can raise again the Mid banners in RvR

But, again, the problem is not the number ... just now : Albion: 357 Midgard: 287 Hibernia: 313

Hib is 40 ppl less than alb and 25 ppl more than Mid ...

Mid had numbers to rise up a good BG for rvr .... but the problem is that no one follow, as i tell in previous post ... no "realm pride" (and some pro can laugh at this, nevermind for me) ... and is the realm pride that drive BG to win ... all realm have the numbers

Thu 14 May 2020 2:03 PM by Razur Ur

without pilzpower wouldnt player anyone hib!

Thu 14 May 2020 2:17 PM by mattymc

Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 14 May 2020 1:53 PM
Eire wrote: ↑
Thu 14 May 2020 12:18 PM
Gildar, we're doing our best. We'll get back to it eventually. For now, it's clear Hib has overwhelming numbers and RRs. These only keep growing the more you keep taking, because you are rewarded for doing so, and it's not getting better.

There has to be a reduced rate of return for taking Keeps and Towers in realms with no relics. Period. If you want to fight RvR, then do it. Being a Mid, yeah it sucked to lose our relic, but I get it... you cleared a path to get it and you did it. Good job. We'll do our best to organize a fight and get back at it. This morning though has been rough.

Having said that, Hibs taking all the towers and keeps in Albion should have provided zero RPs. Clear domination of a realm, with no relics, should provide no rewards. Population numbers aside, give the defending realm a bonus for retaking their stuff, not the attackers for taking keeps and towers in a realm with no incentive to defend. (Edit: what I mean to say is you should get RPs for fighting players, you should not get RPs for taking defenseless towers and keeps)

I whis the best for you Eire ... and i hope you can raise again the Mid banners in RvR

But, again, the problem is not the number ... just now : Albion: 357 Midgard: 287 Hibernia: 313

Hib is 40 ppl less than alb and 25 ppl more than Mid ...

Mid had numbers to rise up a good BG for rvr .... but the problem is that no one follow, as i tell in previous post ... no "realm pride" (and some pro can laugh at this, nevermind for me) ... and is the realm pride that drive BG to win ... all realm have the numbers

This is NOT accurate --- again, the AVAILABLE numbers MID is actually SHORT 35 ... more to the ALBS which currently have the most --- but combine this with being down <virtually> all Keeps with 0 mobility since the HIBB Zerg<laughingly self proclaimed 2 fg> PvE'd keeps and the last relic all last night; what is the incentive since it HAPPENS every single NIGHT.

This is exactly how LIVE turned into the POS it is --- no one is willing to address the Elephant in the room, runningtoi one realm is REWARDED as opposed to actively disincentivized.

Thu 14 May 2020 2:19 PM by Razur Ur

Midgard dont need relics is strong enough!!!!

Thu 14 May 2020 2:46 PM by necrolove1

It really isn't a population issue as much of a not caring issue. The entire population of the realms isnt in the battlegroups. A relic taking BG normally has about 150 players in it or so. Any of the 3 realms can amass this amount, the server has been out for over a year 99% of all players has a 50 and can participate, they just don't want to. A while ago mids were really good at this, then it was albs, now its hibs. It changes as time goes by.

Thu 14 May 2020 4:37 PM by Gildar

mattymc wrote: ↑
Thu 14 May 2020 2:17 PM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 14 May 2020 1:53 PM
Eire wrote: ↑
Thu 14 May 2020 12:18 PM
Gildar, we're doing our best. We'll get back to it eventually. For now, it's clear Hib has overwhelming numbers and RRs. These only keep growing the more you keep taking, because you are rewarded for doing so, and it's not getting better.

There has to be a reduced rate of return for taking Keeps and Towers in realms with no relics. Period. If you want to fight RvR, then do it. Being a Mid, yeah it sucked to lose our relic, but I get it... you cleared a path to get it and you did it. Good job. We'll do our best to organize a fight and get back at it. This morning though has been rough.

Having said that, Hibs taking all the towers and keeps in Albion should have provided zero RPs. Clear domination of a realm, with no relics, should provide no rewards. Population numbers aside, give the defending realm a bonus for retaking their stuff, not the attackers for taking keeps and towers in a realm with no incentive to defend. (Edit: what I mean to say is you should get RPs for fighting players, you should not get RPs for taking defenseless towers and keeps)

I whis the best for you Eire ... and i hope you can raise again the Mid banners in RvR

But, again, the problem is not the number ... just now : Albion: 357 Midgard: 287 Hibernia: 313

Hib is 40 ppl less than alb and 25 ppl more than Mid ...

Mid had numbers to rise up a good BG for rvr .... but the problem is that no one follow, as i tell in previous post ... no "realm pride" (and some pro can laugh at this, nevermind for me) ... and is the realm pride that drive BG to win ... all realm have the numbers

This is NOT accurate --- again, the AVAILABLE numbers MID is actually SHORT 35 ... more to the ALBS which currently have the most --- but combine this with being down <virtually> all Keeps with 0 mobility since the HIBB Zerg<laughingly self proclaimed 2 fg> PvE'd keeps and the last relic all last night; what is the incentive since it HAPPENS every single NIGHT.

This is exactly how LIVE turned into the POS it is --- no one is willing to address the Elephant in the room, runningtoi one realm is REWARDED as opposed to actively disincentivized.

i wrote at 1:53 PM ... you at 2:17 ...

i copy numbers of mainsite Phoenix ... it IS accurate ... when you check prolly numbers are changed ... but if u are "blind" not my fault

as wrote necrolove ... number do not is an issue ... after, u can think what you want mate

Just 10 mins ago my friend tell me that Maxistoo BG count 83 ppl ... retaking Mid.

Obviously not all are following Maxistoo (like not all who are in Pilz BG follow) , but Mid have numbers if ppl want ...

Thu 14 May 2020 5:28 PM by mattymc

Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 14 May 2020 4:37 PM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Thu 14 May 2020 2:17 PM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 14 May 2020 1:53 PM
I whis the best for you Eire ... and i hope you can raise again the Mid banners in RvR

But, again, the problem is not the number ... just now : Albion: 357 Midgard: 287 Hibernia: 313

Hib is 40 ppl less than alb and 25 ppl more than Mid ...

Mid had numbers to rise up a good BG for rvr .... but the problem is that no one follow, as i tell in previous post ... no "realm pride" (and some pro can laugh at this, nevermind for me) ... and is the realm pride that drive BG to win ... all realm have the numbers

This is NOT accurate --- again, the AVAILABLE numbers MID is actually SHORT 35 ... more to the ALBS which currently have the most --- but combine this with being down <virtually> all Keeps with 0 mobility since the HIBB Zerg<laughingly self proclaimed 2 fg> PvE'd keeps and the last relic all last night; what is the incentive since it HAPPENS every single NIGHT.

This is exactly how LIVE turned into the POS it is --- no one is willing to address the Elephant in the room, runningtoi one realm is REWARDED as opposed to actively disincentivized.

i wrote at 1:53 PM ... you at 2:17 ...

i copy numbers of mainsite Phoenix ... it IS accurate ... when you check prolly numbers are changed ... but if u are "blind" not my fault

as wrote necrolove ... number do not is an issue ... after, u can think what you want mate

Just 10 mins ago my friend tell me that Maxistoo BG count 83 ppl ... retaking Mid.

Obviously not all are following Maxistoo (like not all who are in Pilz BG follow) , but Mid have numbers if ppl want ...

You're missing the point -- its not about 1 point in time, it's about the vast MAJORITY of the time. You wrote that Max has 83 in BG -- really, how many actually with the BG. < It sure isn't like the 2 FGH during US prime time that somehow registered 90+ during the keep take.> How long did that last since within an hour the numbers VASTLY changed, MID currently has a 43% pop bonus and still down 2 keeps; alb down 4 with MUCH less of numbers mismatch. MID DOES NOT have numbers to do anything other than perhaps clean up for the NEXT PvE for RP fest during US Prime; while ALB often has the numbers available, they are not in the frontiers and also get PvE'd. Trying hard not to sound dismissive, but, again, look at the WHOLE picture, not a point in time. This is EXACTLY what happened to LIVE ---- is that the craptastic game you want, becuase you have it and worse?? Exactly like live, to this point, the DEVS/GM's are showing the same inaction.

Thu 14 May 2020 5:39 PM by Gildar

ok i got your point but ...

What can do the devs if (for example) the albs that have more ppl of all 3 realms dont do RvR ???

When they do RvR Polemo catch 5 relics and take them to Alb ... 1 month ago not 1 year ago ....

What can do the devs if Mids players dont follow their Bg leaders in rvr and keeptake and prefere flag game ???

I made all the time rvr when i can log ... and gain rp's and a good amount of feathers ... non need to pve Galla (i made it only 2 times, just to tp my first char) ... why Mids and Albs dont do that ??? They prefere another style of play ? or prefere pve Sidi ???

Not a problem, all cand do what is fun for them ... but why call at devs ???

Thu 14 May 2020 6:34 PM by Astaa

Do a /serverinfo and see what the class make up of mids is, Pretty weird ratio, top 3 atm are 72 healers , 71 BDs, 64 Shammies...35 RMs, 29 zerkers, 20 SMs

Ignoring the ranger zerg, Hib top 3 are Druid, 67, Enchanter 60 and Eld 58 (55 bards) decent starting point for a zerg.

You're all playing the wrong classes, mates.

Thu 14 May 2020 6:49 PM by Astaa

Also, like 3fg mids just turned up at CG gate to kill the 5 expers! Hilarious

Thu 14 May 2020 7:51 PM by Astaa

Also, also, also.

The most populated realm is about to have their entire frontier turned green. Alb, the realm that on paper has the best siege classes, but in reality is pretty much populated by bad players/any old item will do.

Thu 14 May 2020 8:52 PM by Lollie

Astaa wrote: ↑
Thu 14 May 2020 6:34 PM
Do a /serverinfo and see what the class make up of mids is, Pretty weird ratio, top 3 atm are 72 healers , 71 BDs, 64 Shammies...35 RMs, 29 zerkers, 20 SMs

Ignoring the ranger zerg, Hib top 3 are Druid, 67, Enchanter 60 and Eld 58 (55 bards) decent starting point for a zerg.

You're all playing the wrong classes, mates.

There was also a tg raid tonight around that time

Thu 14 May 2020 9:15 PM by Astaa

Well, mids are about to get turned over in their frontier and at least two FG just charged CG gate...for 'reasons' they got wolloped and ran off...not sure what to say really? Git'gud is kind of corny but...really, I just don't know.

/serverinfo currently says 606 alb, 501 mid, 550 hib. (reasonably balanced)

Top 5 realm

Hib
82 ranger
70 druid
66 animist
58 chanter
53 eld

Alb
77 cleric
69 necro
63 mincer
61 scout
52 cabbie

Mid
66 healer
62 skald
58 shaman
44 hunter
40 SB

Back to that class spread again.

Thu 14 May 2020 9:17 PM by Eire

Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 14 May 2020 5:39 PM
What can do the devs if (for example) the albs that have more ppl of all 3 realms dont do RvR ???

Devs can adjust the RPs given to dominating realms (owning all relics) by taking keeps and towers in realms that own nothing. They can reward lesser pop realms, and those that own no relics, by taking back their keeps and towers (as I mentioned earlier with an adjusting scale). This is in addition to the lower pop numbers. Alb is a perfect example right now, they have the numbers but look at /rw. At the time of typing this, they were down every keep but one...

Hib, for now, (insert any other dominate realm in the next month or so here) is being actively rewarded - and quite well - for taking things in enemy realms with no incentive to defend anything.

That's where they can help.

Thu 14 May 2020 9:41 PM by Astaa

Eire wrote: ↑
Thu 14 May 2020 9:17 PM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 14 May 2020 5:39 PM
What can do the devs if (for example) the albs that have more ppl of all 3 realms dont do RvR ???

Devs can adjust the RPs given to dominating realms (owning all relics) by taking keeps and towers in realms that own nothing. They can reward lesser pop realms, and those that own no relics, by taking back their keeps and towers (as I mentioned earlier with an adjusting scale). This is in addition to the lower pop numbers. Alb is a perfect example right now, they have the numbers but look at /rw. At the time of typing this, they were down every keep but one...

Hib, for now, (insert any other dominate realm in the next month or so here) is being actively rewarded - and quite well - for taking things in enemy realms with no incentive to defend anything.

That's where they can help.

They can do all that but what difference would it make when all Mids seem interested in is running small mans in exp zones and Albs running untemplated groups doing whatever.

The devs can't nerf a realm because they are more organised, or boost a realm because they aren't. Class balance is pretty well balanced. It's up to the players to sort their shit out.

Thu 14 May 2020 10:36 PM by Eire

Astaa wrote: ↑
Thu 14 May 2020 9:41 PM
Eire wrote: ↑
Thu 14 May 2020 9:17 PM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 14 May 2020 5:39 PM
What can do the devs if (for example) the albs that have more ppl of all 3 realms dont do RvR ???

Devs can adjust the RPs given to dominating realms (owning all relics) by taking keeps and towers in realms that own nothing. They can reward lesser pop realms, and those that own no relics, by taking back their keeps and towers (as I mentioned earlier with an adjusting scale). This is in addition to the lower pop numbers. Alb is a perfect example right now, they have the numbers but look at /rw. At the time of typing this, they were down every keep but one...

Hib, for now, (insert any other dominate realm in the next month or so here) is being actively rewarded - and quite well - for taking things in enemy realms with no incentive to defend anything.

That's where they can help.

They can do all that but what difference would it make when all Mids seem interested in is running small mans in exp zones and Albs running untemplated groups doing whatever.

The devs can't nerf a realm because they are more organised, or boost a realm because they aren't. Class balance is pretty well balanced. It's up to the players to sort their shit out.

At no point would I condone a nerf, what I am saying is Hib can continue to get RPs at their current rate but the defenders of areas with no relics get more to come out and fight to take back their keeps/towers. 8-10k RP an hour for taking undefended keeps by a realm with all the relics seems... off. If a lesser pop realm, with no relics, were to get say double or triple for taking keeps and towers (as the reward for taking it) I think it would incentivize the realms that are bad off to get out and fight, templated/organized or not.

You honestly like the status quo? You like taking undefended towers and keeps or running organized BGs with overwhelming numbers with little to no resistance and continue to get rewarded for it getting further and further ahead of lesser pop realms? That seems strange to me and seems like a path to a really skewed server, no matter who is on top. You want to wait until the dominate realm gets bored?

Thu 14 May 2020 11:51 PM by mattymc

Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 14 May 2020 5:39 PM
ok i got your point but ...

What can do the devs if (for example) the albs that have more ppl of all 3 realms dont do RvR ???

When they do RvR Polemo catch 5 relics and take them to Alb ... 1 month ago not 1 year ago ....

What can do the devs if Mids players dont follow their Bg leaders in rvr and keeptake and prefere flag game ???

I made all the time rvr when i can log ... and gain rp's and a good amount of feathers ... non need to pve Galla (i made it only 2 times, just to tp my first char) ... why Mids and Albs dont do that ??? They prefere another style of play ? or prefere pve Sidi ???

Not a problem, all cand do what is fun for them ... but why call at devs ???

It's quite simple in theory. First, does anyone even consider the current status a 'game; or even remotely fun? Sticking with the today theme, have you seen the number of keeps PvE'd by the green mess --- Herorius had more sense ffs.

Second, I have NO issue if there ARE enough people to equalize things; but did you notice the issues weren't that great until people coul play multiple realms??? Sooo...I call the Devs because they allowed this to happen --- cause and effect is pretty ovbvious.

What do you do --- Well, many things CAN be done -- depends how interactive DEVS want to be --- but I would HUGELY disincentivize certain things --- you can base it off % differences and 50's available as opposed to just in NF. I would reset the relics and I would give WAY more points for defense as opposed to tasks --- I probably would only make tasks available when overall population was at a <Low> number.

There are many more ideas -- I even think losing RP for certain actions would be appropriate to help keep the GAME a game.

Fri 15 May 2020 6:49 AM by Jeterix

shintacki wrote: ↑
Thu 7 May 2020 4:35 PM
These things happen. Hib was the dominate realm for the first 4-5 months of the server. Then mids took over for a loooong time. I personally put off making any mids because of how overpopulated mid was in the past. Now mid is at the bottom, and hey I leveled a mid with a nice underpopulated XP bonus. Eventually Mid will be back again.

All that to say this: servers have an ebb and flow to who has the power.

So then are you suggesting that the DAoC community mainly consists of a highly elite group of xlreamers?

Fri 15 May 2020 7:06 AM by Lollie

They could start by return the realm timer back to 4 hours regardless to stop the hoppers, and bring keep tasks back, i know coast guarding was an issue but at least the keep had defenders and people in the froniters that could respond quickly.

Fri 15 May 2020 7:07 AM by Gildar

mattymc wrote: ↑
Thu 14 May 2020 11:51 PM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 14 May 2020 5:39 PM
ok i got your point but ...

What can do the devs if (for example) the albs that have more ppl of all 3 realms dont do RvR ???

When they do RvR Polemo catch 5 relics and take them to Alb ... 1 month ago not 1 year ago ....

What can do the devs if Mids players dont follow their Bg leaders in rvr and keeptake and prefere flag game ???

I made all the time rvr when i can log ... and gain rp's and a good amount of feathers ... non need to pve Galla (i made it only 2 times, just to tp my first char) ... why Mids and Albs dont do that ??? They prefere another style of play ? or prefere pve Sidi ???

Not a problem, all cand do what is fun for them ... but why call at devs ???

It's quite simple in theory. First, does anyone even consider the current status a 'game; or even remotely fun? Sticking with the today theme, have you seen the number of keeps PvE'd by the green mess --- Herorius had more sense ffs.

Second, I have NO issue if there ARE enough people to equalize things; but did you notice the issues weren't that great until people coul play multiple realms??? Sooo...I call the Devs because they allowed this to happen --- cause and effect is pretty ovbvious.

What do you do --- Well, many things CAN be done -- depends how interactive DEVS want to be --- but I would HUGELY disincentivize certain things --- you can base it off % differences and 50's available as opposed to just in NF. I would reset the relics and I would give WAY more points for defense as opposed to tasks --- I probably would only make tasks available when overall population was at a <Low> number.

There are many more ideas -- I even think losing RP for certain actions would be appropriate to help keep the GAME a game.

sorry i cannot agree on that ...

Devs cant make the work that players have to do ....

And stop task ... last time they change task was a disaster ... Mid zerg camped EV (and do not defend the realm) ... u know ?

You want gain PR by a task ? go out of relic village and go frontier defending your keeps ... also if u loose, u gain a good amount of RP ... simple.

The real thing is that players dont want to listen ... thinking they are all Napoleon or Churchill or Gen. Patton ... in Hib we understand a simple thing : unite we win ... divided we loose ... from the Roman Empire that was the truth ... dividi et impera ...

Alb is a fair exam'ple: when they play united under Polemo leadership they take 5 relics and devastate Hibland ... and every day we spend hours to retake our keeps ... without any of the bonuses or reward that you and other want to be granted ...we have no relics, no keeps but we fight back.
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Why you dont fight back ???

Fri 15 May 2020 7:09 AM by Gildar

Lollie wrote: ↑
Fri 15 May 2020 7:06 AM
They could start by return the realm timer back to 4 hours regardless to stop the hoppers, and bring keep tasks back, i know coast guarding was an issue but at least the keep had defenders and people in the froniters that could respond quickly.

that !!!

good point mate

Fri 15 May 2020 11:52 AM by mattymc

Gildar wrote: ↑
Fri 15 May 2020 7:07 AM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Thu 14 May 2020 11:51 PM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 14 May 2020 5:39 PM
ok i got your point but ...

What can do the devs if (for example) the albs that have more ppl of all 3 realms dont do RvR ???

When they do RvR Polemo catch 5 relics and take them to Alb ... 1 month ago not 1 year ago ....

What can do the devs if Mids players dont follow their Bg leaders in rvr and keeptake and prefere flag game ???

I made all the time rvr when i can log ... and gain rp's and a good amount of feathers ... non need to pve Galla (i made it only 2 times, just to tp my first char) ... why Mids and Albs dont do that ??? They prefere another style of play ? or prefere pve Sidi ???

Not a problem, all cand do what is fun for them ... but why call at devs ???

It's quite simple in theory. First, does anyone even consider the current status a 'game; or even remotely fun? Sticking with the today theme, have you seen the number of keeps PvE'd by the green mess --- Herorius had more sense ffs.

Second, I have NO issue if there ARE enough people to equalize things; but did you notice the issues weren't that great until people coul play multiple realms??? Sooo...I call the Devs because they allowed this to happen --- cause and effect is pretty ovbvious.

What do you do --- Well, many things CAN be done -- depends how interactive DEVS want to be --- but I would HUGELY disincentivize certain things --- you can base it off % differences and 50's available as opposed to just in NF. I would reset the relics and I would give WAY more points for defense as opposed to tasks --- I probably would only make tasks available when overall population was at a <Low> number.

There are many more ideas -- I even think losing RP for certain actions would be appropriate to help keep the GAME a game.

sorry i cannot agree on that ...

Devs cant make the work that players have to do ....

And stop task ... last time they change task was a disaster ... Mid zerg camped EV (and do not defend the realm) ... u know ?

You want gain PR by a task ? go out of relic village and go frontier defending your keeps ... also if u loose, u gain a good amount of RP ... simple.

The real thing is that players dont want to listen ... thinking they are all Napoleon or Churchill or Gen. Patton ... in Hib we understand a simple thing : unite we win ... divided we loose ... from the Roman Empire that was the truth ... dividi et impera ...

Alb is a fair exam'ple: when they play united under Polemo leadership they take 5 relics and devastate Hibland ... and every day we spend hours to retake our keeps ... without any of the bonuses or reward that you and other want to be granted ...we have no relics, no keeps but we fight back.
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Why you dont fight back ???

You make my point for me -- the most numbers win and AQL has the capacity to produce them -- but where do you think all those HIbb players not on during that ALB short burst were???? Here is a Hint, they were not on MID.

Again, MID fights back --- but are MASSIVELY outnumbered -- so what you are saying is why dont you <Mid> consistently feed Hibb RP --- simple, THAT IS A STUPID way to play a game. Ccase in point last night --- mid was down BY 40% yet HIBBs stayed in mid all night --- they could have fought in ALB where they would have gotten more RP fighting MORE people <even though ALBS in NF were less than HIBBS they were significantly more than MID> -- but HIBBS went path of least resistance; lazy reaction to easy RP. This is where the DEVS not only CAN make a difference, they should.

Your plan ensures a 2 realm or 1 realm game --- enjoy your tasks and fighting no one --- you have made PHOENIX l= LIVE.

Fri 15 May 2020 12:20 PM by Razur Ur

What champion not top 5 :-(

Fri 15 May 2020 2:03 PM by Shamissa

Mid inst dieing folks, the GM’s are choosing to kill the game the way its going atm...realm timer....pvp zone, you name it. This is not how real daoc it suppose to be, imbalance game atm and not sure if they know how to control or how to fix it. They keep breaking things that aren’t broken, or bringing things up that inst part of real DAOC.

But hey Daoc live still there and at least they dont have all this crap going on here, so might as well rejoin daoc live or Gw2 is what part of my alliance are going to decide soon if no fixing here. My 2cents.

Fri 15 May 2020 5:40 PM by Gildar

mattymc wrote: ↑
Fri 15 May 2020 11:52 AM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Fri 15 May 2020 7:07 AM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Thu 14 May 2020 11:51 PM
It's quite simple in theory. First, does anyone even consider the current status a 'game; or even remotely fun? Sticking with the today theme, have you seen the number of keeps PvE'd by the green mess --- Herorius had more sense ffs.

Second, I have NO issue if there ARE enough people to equalize things; but did you notice the issues weren't that great until people coul play multiple realms??? Sooo...I call the Devs because they allowed this to happen --- cause and effect is pretty ovbvious.

What do you do --- Well, many things CAN be done -- depends how interactive DEVS want to be --- but I would HUGELY disincentivize certain things --- you can base it off % differences and 50's available as opposed to just in NF. I would reset the relics and I would give WAY more points for defense as opposed to tasks --- I probably would only make tasks available when overall population was at a <Low> number.

There are many more ideas -- I even think losing RP for certain actions would be appropriate to help keep the GAME a game.

sorry i cannot agree on that ...

Devs cant make the work that players have to do ....

And stop task ... last time they change task was a disaster ... Mid zerg camped EV (and do not defend the realm) ... u know ?

You want gain PR by a task ? go out of relic village and go frontier defending your keeps ... also if u loose, u gain a good amount of RP ... simple.

The real thing is that players dont want to listen ... thinking they are all Napoleon or Churchill or Gen. Patton ... in Hib we understand a simple thing : unite we win ... divided we loose ... from the Roman Empire that was the truth ... dividi et impera ...

Alb is a fair exam'ple: when they play united under Polemo leadership they take 5 relics and devastate Hibland ... and every day we spend hours to retake our keeps ... without any of the bonuses or reward that you and other want to be granted ...we have no relics, no keeps but we fight back.
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Why you dont fight back ???
You make my point for me -- the most numbers win and AQL has the capacity to produce them -- but where do you think all those HIbb players not on during that ALB short burst were???? Here is a Hint, they were not on MID.

Again, MID fights back --- but are MASSIVELY outnumbered -- so what you are saying is why dont you <Mid> consistently feed Hibb RP --- simple, THAT IS A STUPID way to play a game. Ccase in point last night --- mid was down BY 40% yet HIBBs stayed in mid all night --- they could have fought in ALB where they would have gotten more RP fighting MORE people <even though ALBS in NF were less than HIBBS they were significantly more than MID> -- but HIBBS went path of least resistance; lazy reaction to easy RP. This is where the DEVS not only CAN make a difference, they should.

Your plan ensures a 2 realm or 1 realm game --- enjoy your tasks and fighting no one --- you have made PHOENIX l= LIVE.

today Mid retake one of their relic ... and Hibland was devastated .... losing keeps and towers ....

that is the real thing ... if ppl wanto to fight also Mid can make good performance ... and retake a relic against the "massive" hib zerg lol

The real facts broke all your words mate ... and i'm happy to see Mid fight back

No need of Devs intervention

Fri 15 May 2020 5:41 PM by Gildar

Shamissa wrote: ↑
Fri 15 May 2020 2:03 PM
Mid inst dieing folks, the GM’s are choosing to kill the game the way its going atm...realm timer....pvp zone, you name it. This is not how real daoc it suppose to be, imbalance game atm and not sure if they know how to control or how to fix it. They keep breaking things that aren’t broken, or bringing things up that inst part of real DAOC.

But hey Daoc live still there and at least they dont have all this crap going on here, so might as well rejoin daoc live or Gw2 is what part of my alliance are going to decide soon if no fixing here. My 2cents.

I agree ... pvp zone ... real timer off .... archery dmg buff ... all that things broke the delicate equilibrium that this server build ...

I hope devs go back to that ... returning at the real daoc core game

Fri 15 May 2020 5:49 PM by Riac

i dont see how ppl are still QQing about the pvp zone, its literally empty at all times now.

Fri 15 May 2020 6:02 PM by Eire

Gildar wrote: ↑
Fri 15 May 2020 5:40 PM
today Mid retake one of their relic ... and Hibland was devastated .... losing keeps and towers ....

that is the real thing ... if ppl wanto to fight also Mid can make good performance ... and retake a relic against the "massive" hib zerg lol

The real facts broke all your words mate ... and i'm happy to see Mid fight back

No need of Devs intervention

Hib was nowhere near as devastated as BOTH Mid and Alb the past week. We had to use BOTH Albs and Mids to get Hibs even close to where we were all week. We were down 5 out of 7 keeps consistently as Hibs just farmed empty towers and keeps and earned great RPs doing so. That's what needs to be changed.

And I like the thread about getting relic guards, that sounds very cool.

Fri 15 May 2020 6:15 PM by bettercasey

Now the kids know what it was like to be a hib for the past year!

Fri 15 May 2020 6:17 PM by Eire

bettercasey wrote: ↑
Fri 15 May 2020 6:15 PM
Now the kids know what it was like to be a hib for the past year!

And had I been playing, I would still be saying the same thing. Earning 8-10k RP an hour farming empty keeps and towers in realms with no relics is off. It's an RvR game, give more incentives to the lower pop, beat down realms, to get back out there and fight quicker.

Fri 15 May 2020 6:20 PM by Riac

stop giving rps for farming keeps empty or not.... make ppl actually fight each other.

Fri 15 May 2020 6:38 PM by Shamissa

bettercasey wrote: ↑
Fri 15 May 2020 6:15 PM
Now the kids know what it was like to be a hib for the past year!

Hibs been always easy mode....is why folks choose to go play hib...look is not a bad idea if the game was balanced. But isnt it so atm more goes to hib, i just dont get it.
But hey that will change one way or the other.

Like they say there's always the EXIT door.

Have fun all.

Sun 17 May 2020 1:15 AM by mattymc

Shamissa wrote: ↑
Fri 15 May 2020 6:38 PM
bettercasey wrote: ↑
Fri 15 May 2020 6:15 PM
Now the kids know what it was like to be a hib for the past year!

Hibs been always easy mode....is why folks choose to go play hib...look is not a bad idea if the game was balanced. But isnt it so atm more goes to hib, i just dont get it.
But hey that will change one way or the other.

Like they say there's always the EXIT door.

Have fun all.

You're right, and that exit should get the GM's attention ---- Phoenix now mirrors live; if that isn't motivation to make a change....

Sun 17 May 2020 2:25 AM by Azrael

mattymc wrote: ↑
Sun 10 May 2020 5:14 PM
Azrael wrote: ↑
Sun 10 May 2020 12:39 AM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 11:39 PM
Regardless of where the POPULATION issue lies, getting MORE RP's for fighting less people <or even the same, etc> is BAD for the GAME. This is exactly what happened on LIVE causing exodus after exodus.

I see you have still no clue about the game.

Keep working on that comprehension -- one day it will be up to snuff. I realize you just wanna roll over stuff and be handed everything free, but some prefer and actual challenge

Mh, you are the guy who wants some free stuff and bonuses instead of playing the underdog realm while facing a challenge.

Sun 17 May 2020 4:18 AM by imweasel

Eire wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 4:41 PM
Lack of leadership is a very small reason to have such skewed numbers. I've seen some wonderful new BG leaders that do a great job. Shout out to Oadin, Johny, Getroasted/toasted, etc... (I am sure I am leaving someone out, apologies)

However, as of typing this: Albion: 563 Midgard: 386 Hibernia: 466. That's a staggering number just between Alb and Hib, but Alb and Mid - holy crap. But, current realm population aside, I have two suggestions that could help Mid currently and whatever realm is unfortunate enough to be on the low end of the stick:

One: greatly reduced bonus for taking keeps and towers in a realm with no relics, reduced RPs for attacking realms in enemy areas with no relics. Push the fight to the areas that would matter, strategically, to keep the balance flowing. Don't keep kicking Mid while we're down, camping our docks, camping our relic gates, etc... This still allows for enemies to go take keeps and towers for DF, but doesn't contribute to the absolute destruction happening to lower pop realms.
Two: increased percent for ROG drops and ROG quality for lower pop realm, based on percentage currently calculated for lower pop bonuses. Get those folks geared up quick that want to swap, give those with dramatically underpop numbers to get geared to get out and fight.

Making the game more cyclical in nature, no matter the realm with the lower pop, would help overall keep it flowing and balanced.

According to your theory, albs should own all the relics. I mean how can a smaller hib population capture all of them? Let alone be able to keep them...

Wait...they seem to be better organized. Possibly more receptive to taking in a body that doesn't fit the "group meta" or even needed.

It's called teamwork. Mid should get some.

Sun 17 May 2020 10:32 AM by Eire

imweasel wrote:
Eire wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 4:41 PM
Lack of leadership is a very small reason to have such skewed numbers. I've seen some wonderful new BG leaders that do a great job. Shout out to Oadin, Johny, Getroasted/toasted, etc... (I am sure I am leaving someone out, apologies)

However, as of typing this: Albion: 563 Midgard: 386 Hibernia: 466. That's a staggering number just between Alb and Hib, but Alb and Mid - holy crap. But, current realm population aside, I have two suggestions that could help Mid currently and whatever realm is unfortunate enough to be on the low end of the stick:

One: greatly reduced bonus for taking keeps and towers in a realm with no relics, reduced RPs for attacking realms in enemy areas with no relics. Push the fight to the areas that would matter, strategically, to keep the balance flowing. Don't keep kicking Mid while we're down, camping our docks, camping our relic gates, etc... This still allows for enemies to go take keeps and towers for DF, but doesn't contribute to the absolute destruction happening to lower pop realms.
Two: increased percent for ROG drops and ROG quality for lower pop realm, based on percentage currently calculated for lower pop bonuses. Get those folks geared up quick that want to swap, give those with dramatically underpop numbers to get geared to get out and fight.

Making the game more cyclical in nature, no matter the realm with the lower pop, would help overall keep it flowing and balanced.

According to your theory, albs should own all the relics. I mean how can a smaller hib population capture all of them? Let alone be able to keep them...

Wait...they seem to be better organized. Possibly more receptive to taking in a body that doesn't fit the "group meta" or even needed.

It's called teamwork. Mid should get some.

Teamwork aside, do you have any thoughts or ideas on how to reward lesser pop/lesser organized/no relics/no desire to defend realms to get out and fight? Alb has no relics, almost always has higher population, and has NO incentive to come out and defend their own areas. Hibs get the exact same RP reward (at times more) than Albs by taking keeps and towers. Organization aside, got any ideas how to balance that without letting one realm run away with it?

Edit: Hib is never the smaller populated realm. Mid is, at all time zones, and we do still have one of our relics. I'd say I am more trying to appeal to Alb coming out and defending their own areas or giving them more of an incentive to taking Hibs, not Mids, with a bonus shift for relic ownership. At the end, just trying to make the game more RvR, not HibvTowers.

Sun 17 May 2020 11:24 AM by DarkDavion

Alb is very often the most populated realm/24h, not hibs fault if they prefer pve. BTW alb lost their relics during the launch of pvp event, so don't QQ too much, is just a fresh thing let's see how will evolve.

Sun 17 May 2020 1:12 PM by dbeattie71

Eire wrote: ↑
Sun 17 May 2020 10:32 AM
imweasel wrote:
Eire wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 4:41 PM
Lack of leadership is a very small reason to have such skewed numbers. I've seen some wonderful new BG leaders that do a great job. Shout out to Oadin, Johny, Getroasted/toasted, etc... (I am sure I am leaving someone out, apologies)

However, as of typing this: Albion: 563 Midgard: 386 Hibernia: 466. That's a staggering number just between Alb and Hib, but Alb and Mid - holy crap. But, current realm population aside, I have two suggestions that could help Mid currently and whatever realm is unfortunate enough to be on the low end of the stick:

One: greatly reduced bonus for taking keeps and towers in a realm with no relics, reduced RPs for attacking realms in enemy areas with no relics. Push the fight to the areas that would matter, strategically, to keep the balance flowing. Don't keep kicking Mid while we're down, camping our docks, camping our relic gates, etc... This still allows for enemies to go take keeps and towers for DF, but doesn't contribute to the absolute destruction happening to lower pop realms.
Two: increased percent for ROG drops and ROG quality for lower pop realm, based on percentage currently calculated for lower pop bonuses. Get those folks geared up quick that want to swap, give those with dramatically underpop numbers to get geared to get out and fight.

Making the game more cyclical in nature, no matter the realm with the lower pop, would help overall keep it flowing and balanced.

According to your theory, albs should own all the relics. I mean how can a smaller hib population capture all of them? Let alone be able to keep them...

Wait...they seem to be better organized. Possibly more receptive to taking in a body that doesn't fit the "group meta" or even needed.

It's called teamwork. Mid should get some.

Teamwork aside, do you have any thoughts or ideas on how to reward lesser pop/lesser organized/no relics/no desire to defend realms to get out and fight? Alb has no relics, almost always has higher population, and has NO incentive to come out and defend their own areas. Hibs get the exact same RP reward (at times more) than Albs by taking keeps and towers. Organization aside, got any ideas how to balance that without letting one realm run away with it?

Edit: Hib is never the smaller populated realm. Mid is, at all time zones, and we do still have one of our relics. I'd say I am more trying to appeal to Alb coming out and defending their own areas or giving them more of an incentive to taking Hibs, not Mids, with a bonus shift for relic ownership. At the end, just trying to make the game more RvR, not HibvTowers.

Right now, mid 390, Hib 389.

Sun 17 May 2020 2:09 PM by Noashakra

Shamissa wrote: ↑
Fri 15 May 2020 6:38 PM
bettercasey wrote: ↑
Fri 15 May 2020 6:15 PM
Now the kids know what it was like to be a hib for the past year!

Hibs been always easy mode....is why folks choose to go play hib...look is not a bad idea if the game was balanced. But isnt it so atm more goes to hib, i just dont get it.
But hey that will change one way or the other.

Like they say there's always the EXIT door.

Have fun all.

lol, yeah sure easy mode... And on live, and even here, alb draws the most population (arthur, round table, paladins and stuff)
And if people wanted the easy mode, they would have gone to alb or mid already on phoenix because they are objectively stronger at the moment.
It's better to read that than being blind I guess...

Sun 17 May 2020 2:18 PM by mattymc

Azrael wrote: ↑
Sun 17 May 2020 2:25 AM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Sun 10 May 2020 5:14 PM
Azrael wrote: ↑
Sun 10 May 2020 12:39 AM
I see you have still no clue about the game.

Keep working on that comprehension -- one day it will be up to snuff. I realize you just wanna roll over stuff and be handed everything free, but some prefer and actual challenge

Mh, you are the guy who wants some free stuff and bonuses instead of playing the underdog realm while facing a challenge.

In the pantheon of silly statements made by you --- This is certainly at the top....one day you may understand what comprehension means, until then, stop embarrassing yourself.

Sun 17 May 2020 2:19 PM by mattymc

dbeattie71 wrote: ↑
Sun 17 May 2020 1:12 PM
Eire wrote: ↑
Sun 17 May 2020 10:32 AM
imweasel wrote: According to your theory, albs should own all the relics. I mean how can a smaller hib population capture all of them? Let alone be able to keep them...

Wait...they seem to be better organized. Possibly more receptive to taking in a body that doesn't fit the "group meta" or even needed.

It's called teamwork. Mid should get some.

Teamwork aside, do you have any thoughts or ideas on how to reward lesser pop/lesser organized/no relics/no desire to defend realms to get out and fight? Alb has no relics, almost always has higher population, and has NO incentive to come out and defend their own areas. Hibs get the exact same RP reward (at times more) than Albs by taking keeps and towers. Organization aside, got any ideas how to balance that without letting one realm run away with it?

Edit: Hib is never the smaller populated realm. Mid is, at all time zones, and we do still have one of our relics. I'd say I am more trying to appeal to Alb coming out and defending their own areas or giving them more of an incentive to taking Hibs, not Mids, with a bonus shift for relic ownership. At the end, just trying to make the game more RvR, not HibvTowers.

Right now, mid 390, Hib 389.

So ... a point in time is irrelevant, how about the innumerable points where its HIbb 190 mid 90 or some other ridiculous ratio

Sun 17 May 2020 2:22 PM by dbeattie71

mattymc wrote: ↑
Sun 17 May 2020 2:19 PM
dbeattie71 wrote: ↑
Sun 17 May 2020 1:12 PM
Eire wrote: ↑
Sun 17 May 2020 10:32 AM
Teamwork aside, do you have any thoughts or ideas on how to reward lesser pop/lesser organized/no relics/no desire to defend realms to get out and fight? Alb has no relics, almost always has higher population, and has NO incentive to come out and defend their own areas. Hibs get the exact same RP reward (at times more) than Albs by taking keeps and towers. Organization aside, got any ideas how to balance that without letting one realm run away with it?

Edit: Hib is never the smaller populated realm. Mid is, at all time zones, and we do still have one of our relics. I'd say I am more trying to appeal to Alb coming out and defending their own areas or giving them more of an incentive to taking Hibs, not Mids, with a bonus shift for relic ownership. At the end, just trying to make the game more RvR, not HibvTowers.

Right now, mid 390, Hib 389.
So ... a point in time is irrelevant, how about the innumerable points where its HIbb 190 mid 90 or some other ridiculous ratio

Oh, someone said never, which apparently, is incorrect.

Sun 17 May 2020 3:19 PM by Noashakra

Ohhhhhhhhh look at this alb is the most populated realm those last day by far. Please stop spreading your BS without numbers to back you up.

https://unixgeek.com/phoenix.html
and mid is not so far from hib

Sun 17 May 2020 3:47 PM by Azrael

mattymc wrote: ↑
Sun 17 May 2020 2:18 PM
Azrael wrote: ↑
Sun 17 May 2020 2:25 AM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Sun 10 May 2020 5:14 PM
Keep working on that comprehension -- one day it will be up to snuff. I realize you just wanna roll over stuff and be handed everything free, but some prefer and actual challenge

Mh, you are the guy who wants some free stuff and bonuses instead of playing the underdog realm while facing a challenge.

In the pantheon of silly statements made by you --- This is certainly at the top....one day you may understand what comprehension means, until then, stop embarrassing yourself.

The same goes for you. I don't know if you only forgot what you write in your previous posts or if you are not very bright.

Sun 17 May 2020 4:36 PM by Eire

dbeattie71 wrote: ↑
Sun 17 May 2020 1:12 PM
Eire wrote: ↑
Sun 17 May 2020 10:32 AM
imweasel wrote: According to your theory, albs should own all the relics. I mean how can a smaller hib population capture all of them? Let alone be able to keep them...

Wait...they seem to be better organized. Possibly more receptive to taking in a body that doesn't fit the "group meta" or even needed.

It's called teamwork. Mid should get some.

Teamwork aside, do you have any thoughts or ideas on how to reward lesser pop/lesser organized/no relics/no desire to defend realms to get out and fight? Alb has no relics, almost always has higher population, and has NO incentive to come out and defend their own areas. Hibs get the exact same RP reward (at times more) than Albs by taking keeps and towers. Organization aside, got any ideas how to balance that without letting one realm run away with it?

Edit: Hib is never the smaller populated realm. Mid is, at all time zones, and we do still have one of our relics. I'd say I am more trying to appeal to Alb coming out and defending their own areas or giving them more of an incentive to taking Hibs, not Mids, with a bonus shift for relic ownership. At the end, just trying to make the game more RvR, not HibvTowers.

Right now, mid 390, Hib 389.

Great contribution to a possible solution. Hibs had one more player, so technically I was incorrect and that's the hill we're going to die on.

Right now - Albion: 618 Midgard: 464 Hibernia: 528

Sigh.

Sun 17 May 2020 4:49 PM by imweasel

Eire wrote: ↑
Sun 17 May 2020 10:32 AM
imweasel wrote:
Eire wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 4:41 PM
Lack of leadership is a very small reason to have such skewed numbers. I've seen some wonderful new BG leaders that do a great job. Shout out to Oadin, Johny, Getroasted/toasted, etc... (I am sure I am leaving someone out, apologies)

However, as of typing this: Albion: 563 Midgard: 386 Hibernia: 466. That's a staggering number just between Alb and Hib, but Alb and Mid - holy crap. But, current realm population aside, I have two suggestions that could help Mid currently and whatever realm is unfortunate enough to be on the low end of the stick:

One: greatly reduced bonus for taking keeps and towers in a realm with no relics, reduced RPs for attacking realms in enemy areas with no relics. Push the fight to the areas that would matter, strategically, to keep the balance flowing. Don't keep kicking Mid while we're down, camping our docks, camping our relic gates, etc... This still allows for enemies to go take keeps and towers for DF, but doesn't contribute to the absolute destruction happening to lower pop realms.
Two: increased percent for ROG drops and ROG quality for lower pop realm, based on percentage currently calculated for lower pop bonuses. Get those folks geared up quick that want to swap, give those with dramatically underpop numbers to get geared to get out and fight.

Making the game more cyclical in nature, no matter the realm with the lower pop, would help overall keep it flowing and balanced.

According to your theory, albs should own all the relics. I mean how can a smaller hib population capture all of them? Let alone be able to keep them...

Wait...they seem to be better organized. Possibly more receptive to taking in a body that doesn't fit the "group meta" or even needed.

It's called teamwork. Mid should get some.

Teamwork aside, do you have any thoughts or ideas on how to reward lesser pop/lesser organized/no relics/no desire to defend realms to get out and fight? Alb has no relics, almost always has higher population, and has NO incentive to come out and defend their own areas. Hibs get the exact same RP reward (at times more) than Albs by taking keeps and towers. Organization aside, got any ideas how to balance that without letting one realm run away with it?

Edit: Hib is never the smaller populated realm. Mid is, at all time zones, and we do still have one of our relics. I'd say I am more trying to appeal to Alb coming out and defending their own areas or giving them more of an incentive to taking Hibs, not Mids, with a bonus shift for relic ownership. At the end, just trying to make the game more RvR, not HibvTowers.

There is not much you can do to help folks do anything that they don't want to do. It's also hard to determine a course of action since your basic premise is flawed.

Sun 17 May 2020 4:52 PM by Eire

imweasel wrote: ↑
Sun 17 May 2020 4:49 PM
Eire wrote: ↑
Sun 17 May 2020 10:32 AM
imweasel wrote: According to your theory, albs should own all the relics. I mean how can a smaller hib population capture all of them? Let alone be able to keep them...

Wait...they seem to be better organized. Possibly more receptive to taking in a body that doesn't fit the "group meta" or even needed.

It's called teamwork. Mid should get some.

Teamwork aside, do you have any thoughts or ideas on how to reward lesser pop/lesser organized/no relics/no desire to defend realms to get out and fight? Alb has no relics, almost always has higher population, and has NO incentive to come out and defend their own areas. Hibs get the exact same RP reward (at times more) than Albs by taking keeps and towers. Organization aside, got any ideas how to balance that without letting one realm run away with it?

Edit: Hib is never the smaller populated realm. Mid is, at all time zones, and we do still have one of our relics. I'd say I am more trying to appeal to Alb coming out and defending their own areas or giving them more of an incentive to taking Hibs, not Mids, with a bonus shift for relic ownership. At the end, just trying to make the game more RvR, not HibvTowers.

There is not much you can do to help folks do anything that they don't want to do. It's also hard to determine a course of action since your basic premise is flawed.

Cool.

Sun 17 May 2020 5:07 PM by dbeattie71

Eire wrote: ↑
Sun 17 May 2020 4:36 PM
dbeattie71 wrote: ↑
Sun 17 May 2020 1:12 PM
Eire wrote: ↑
Sun 17 May 2020 10:32 AM
Teamwork aside, do you have any thoughts or ideas on how to reward lesser pop/lesser organized/no relics/no desire to defend realms to get out and fight? Alb has no relics, almost always has higher population, and has NO incentive to come out and defend their own areas. Hibs get the exact same RP reward (at times more) than Albs by taking keeps and towers. Organization aside, got any ideas how to balance that without letting one realm run away with it?

Edit: Hib is never the smaller populated realm. Mid is, at all time zones, and we do still have one of our relics. I'd say I am more trying to appeal to Alb coming out and defending their own areas or giving them more of an incentive to taking Hibs, not Mids, with a bonus shift for relic ownership. At the end, just trying to make the game more RvR, not HibvTowers.

Right now, mid 390, Hib 389.

Great contribution to a possible solution. Hibs had one more player, so technically I was incorrect and that's the hill we're going to die on.

Right now - Albion: 618 Midgard: 464 Hibernia: 528

Sigh.

Thanks.

Playing mid now so doing my part.

Sun 17 May 2020 9:23 PM by mattymc

Azrael wrote: ↑
Sun 17 May 2020 3:47 PM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Sun 17 May 2020 2:18 PM
Azrael wrote: ↑
Sun 17 May 2020 2:25 AM
Mh, you are the guy who wants some free stuff and bonuses instead of playing the underdog realm while facing a challenge.

In the pantheon of silly statements made by you --- This is certainly at the top....one day you may understand what comprehension means, until then, stop embarrassing yourself.

The same goes for you. I don't know if you only forgot what you write in your previous posts or if you are not very bright.

Let me make it very simple -- I think the game has devolved into being broken in a very similar fashion to live; you think it's fine to have essentially a 2 realm game <regardless of who the realms may be>...

Mon 18 May 2020 1:47 PM by Noashakra

mattymc wrote: ↑
Sun 17 May 2020 9:23 PM
Azrael wrote: ↑
Sun 17 May 2020 3:47 PM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Sun 17 May 2020 2:18 PM
In the pantheon of silly statements made by you --- This is certainly at the top....one day you may understand what comprehension means, until then, stop embarrassing yourself.

The same goes for you. I don't know if you only forgot what you write in your previous posts or if you are not very bright.

Let me make it very simple -- I think the game has devolved into being broken in a very similar fashion to live; you think it's fine to have essentially a 2 realm game <regardless of who the realms may be>...

man you can stop posting now, all the number are proving you wrong and you have no new argument.

Here are the stats of last week. By your own logic alb should be dominating... Yet only once hibernia was the most populated realm (equal to alb).
Mid are behind but not by a lot. You should start blaming your own realm instead of the others.
Maybe if Maxisto wasn't doing the tasks with 3/4fg you could do something...

Mon 18 May 2020 2:18 PM by Kurbz

what do you except? its a 3 realm concept. there was never and there will never be a balance in population or rvr domination. Its goes up and down for every realm. in my eyes "midgard isnt dying" is a exaggerated, subjectiv emotional driven claim. nothing more.

Mon 18 May 2020 2:56 PM by Sepplord

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Mon 18 May 2020 1:47 PM
Here are the stats of last week. By your own logic alb should be dominating... Yet only once hibernia was the most populated realm (equal to alb).
Mid are behind but not by a lot. You should start blaming your own realm instead of the others.
Maybe if Maxisto wasn't doing the tasks with 3/4fg you could do something...

Don't get me wrong, i agree with your point. But the graph only looks at population-peek and doesn't necessarily prove him wrong

Mon 18 May 2020 3:10 PM by Noashakra

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Mon 18 May 2020 2:56 PM
Noashakra wrote: ↑
Mon 18 May 2020 1:47 PM
Here are the stats of last week. By your own logic alb should be dominating... Yet only once hibernia was the most populated realm (equal to alb).
Mid are behind but not by a lot. You should start blaming your own realm instead of the others.
Maybe if Maxisto wasn't doing the tasks with 3/4fg you could do something...

Don't get me wrong, i agree with your point. But the graph only looks at population-peek and doesn't necessarily prove him wrong

it's peak hour per hour, on the graph, I just took prime time and the graphs are consistant days after days
if you take the average per hour in prime time, it's the same kind of graph and even less problematic for mid lol (615 mid 646 hib and 692 alb...) so complete BS anyway.
https://unixgeek.com/phoenix.html

Tue 19 May 2020 10:21 AM by Noleran

For many, Midgard is where the heart is. For some others its same with Albion or Hibernia. We know ourself best

But at the moment you gonna be "forced" to play Hibernia or Albion. We tried Midgard back in these days. But it was crazy difficult to form a public BG and get the normal Zerg action running.
Its not a job or something for the Devs/GMs. Its our job to appreciate every boy or girl?

who wanna lead a BG like Pilzpower, Harder, Giosakis/Polemo.
They are the key for RvR and the fun for each realm!
I saw it many times that some guys taunt and troll them. I know, sometimes its frustrating if some decissions are not succesfull. But it helps no one to flame the leaders....
After that, many log back in Midgard if there will be something run again. No Lead > just fead

We only need solutions (and NO trolling) - and we need follows for the Leads! Thats the only thing you should get into.
Midgard needs a nice guy again like Ein or someone who bring the stickmania back to the Dwarfs and Trolls

I hope for the CHOSEN ONE! He will be there!

Tue 26 May 2020 11:45 PM by mattymc

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Mon 18 May 2020 1:47 PM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Sun 17 May 2020 9:23 PM
Azrael wrote: ↑
Sun 17 May 2020 3:47 PM
The same goes for you. I don't know if you only forgot what you write in your previous posts or if you are not very bright.

Let me make it very simple -- I think the game has devolved into being broken in a very similar fashion to live; you think it's fine to have essentially a 2 realm game <regardless of who the realms may be>...

man you can stop posting now, all the number are proving you wrong and you have no new argument.

Here are the stats of last week. By your own logic alb should be dominating... Yet only once hibernia was the most populated realm (equal to alb).
Mid are behind but not by a lot. You should start blaming your own realm instead of the others.
Maybe if Maxisto wasn't doing the tasks with 3/4fg you could do something...

And so now ALB dominates ---- you really have no idea what those numbers ACTUALLY mean or how to interpret them, do you??

It's a 2 realm game that is supposed to be a 3 realm one -- that simply means the game is BROKEN..though I doubt you'll get it...but, to be a little helpful, just read this NOTE from the graph:

This is the maximum population seen for each realm for the day.

NOTE! The max realm population for each realm may have "peaked" at different times during the day, so the TOTAL doesn't represent an accurate total server population at any particular time, since it's just the addition of the peaks.

A little more help --- WHO is actually in the frontier and actually participating and what are the numbers when they are? This is why you need to interpret and not just assume it all looks good --- because it simply isn't.

Wed 27 May 2020 6:26 AM by Noashakra

Stop crying dude, none of those numbers are in your favor. The average mid players is not far under the average hib players, and alb dominate all of them. Nobody in this post agrees with you. Again, be mad at maxisto, because he and his bg are only doing the flag task and usually don't even try to take keeps.

If hib can beat alb with such a difference of average players, mid should be able to do the same when their average is really close to hib.

Mid dominated the rvr around December for a long time, and now that you don't, you come here to cry with no objective numbers to back up your story.

Look at the population growth, mid is the only realm that goes up in term of numbers, the wheel is turning like always.

Wed 27 May 2020 1:58 PM by mattymc

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Wed 27 May 2020 6:26 AM
Stop crying dude, none of those numbers are in your favor. The average mid players is not far under the average hib players, and alb dominate all of them. Nobody in this post agrees with you. Again, be mad at maxisto, because he and his bg are only doing the flag task and usually don't even try to take keeps.

If hib can beat alb with such a difference of average players, mid should be able to do the same when their average is really close to hib.

Mid dominated the rvr around December for a long time, and now that you don't, you come here to cry with no objective numbers to back up your story.

Look at the population growth, mid is the only realm that goes up in term of numbers, the wheel is turning like always.

Try and comprehend not just blather --- read the notes of the chart, understand what the advantages and disadvantages are --- the game is about People fighting People --- stop rationalizing what you THINK the numbers mean <mostly because they don't mean what you think>, but see WHAT is ACTUALLY happening in Game. Try NOT looking at it from a BIASED realm perspective and see if it makes sense that the game is no longer about RvR but just one realm running around DOMINATING in numbers for periods of time --- why is that happening and how do you get an ACTUAL game back? If you think what we have NOW is fun or even enjoyable, I am not sure why you even would want to Play any form of DAOC. This is exactly what happened on live <granted the DEVS on live made several silly decisions also>, ignoring the obvious decline in gameplay...it would be nice if something was tried here to stop the slide.

Wed 27 May 2020 2:31 PM by Noashakra

MAYBE you should be a BG LEADER and try to tackle MAXISTO to make your ZERG instead of complaining here. Because POPULATION is not an ISSUE.

https://unixgeek.com/phoenix.html
Look at the realm population of midgar at the bottom... It's the only one growing and hibernia is actually underpopulated since last week. So can you stop now?
Midgard is not dying and you are wasting everyone's time

Wed 27 May 2020 4:17 PM by Gildar

Midgard is dying yes lol

Hibernia is OP ... 6 relics ... and so on yes lol

Look at the warmap ... look at relics ...

Hibland the past week was completely devastated (but we are the OP Realm ... uhm .... thinking somthing wrong here)

Hibland dominate ... with 0 relics LOOOL

QQ GM have to make some thing to help poor Hibernians without relics and with frontier without any tp at keeps QQ

LOL

Like i stated before ... fight and dont call for GM ... now i fight and dont QQ help GM

Wed 27 May 2020 5:56 PM by tyrantanic

I definitely made more RPs killing the Mid zerg last night with catapults than roaming the tasks during NA prime.

Mid had ~150 Lvl 50s in NF while Alb and Hib had ~100 (2200 EST). Population bounces around all the time in this game. Comparing Phoenix to Live is not reasonable as they are completely different games. Anyone who has played Live in the past year should understand that.

Wed 27 May 2020 6:22 PM by Astaa

Boost bonedancers!

Thu 28 May 2020 12:04 AM by mattymc

tyrantanic wrote: ↑
Wed 27 May 2020 5:56 PM
I definitely made more RPs killing the Mid zerg last night with catapults than roaming the tasks during NA prime.

Mid had ~150 Lvl 50s in NF while Alb and Hib had ~100 (2200 EST). Population bounces around all the time in this game. Comparing Phoenix to Live is not reasonable as they are completely different games. Anyone who has played Live in the past year should understand that.

Really --- you see no similarities whatsoever between the pop flows and decisions not made??? Interesting

Thu 28 May 2020 12:06 AM by mattymc

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Wed 27 May 2020 2:31 PM
MAYBE you should be a BG LEADER and try to tackle MAXISTO to make your ZERG instead of complaining here. Because POPULATION is not an ISSUE.

https://unixgeek.com/phoenix.html
Look at the realm population of midgar at the bottom... It's the only one growing and hibernia is actually underpopulated since last week. So can you stop now?
Midgard is not dying and you are wasting everyone's time

Again, read and comprehend not just make crap up pls. It's not about ONE realm, it's about the GAME

Thu 28 May 2020 4:16 AM by tyrantanic

mattymc wrote: ↑
Thu 28 May 2020 12:04 AM
tyrantanic wrote: ↑
Wed 27 May 2020 5:56 PM
I definitely made more RPs killing the Mid zerg last night with catapults than roaming the tasks during NA prime.

Mid had ~150 Lvl 50s in NF while Alb and Hib had ~100 (2200 EST). Population bounces around all the time in this game. Comparing Phoenix to Live is not reasonable as they are completely different games. Anyone who has played Live in the past year should understand that.

Really --- you see no similarities whatsoever between the pop flows and decisions not made??? Interesting

I don't blame developers for players making poor choices. Nothing the developers do will change that. The majority of the player base here is casual and not competitive as clearly demonstrated by the failure of the PvP event. They want RPs. Not good fights. Is zerging / steam rolling the other realm(s) the best way to make RPs? No. Is it the easiest? Yes. If you remove the means of obtaining RPs easily, players will quit and the population will dwindle. That is an unfortunate reality of the DAoC community.

Thu 28 May 2020 7:48 AM by Noashakra

mattymc wrote: ↑
Thu 28 May 2020 12:06 AM
Noashakra wrote: ↑
Wed 27 May 2020 2:31 PM
MAYBE you should be a BG LEADER and try to tackle MAXISTO to make your ZERG instead of complaining here. Because POPULATION is not an ISSUE.

https://unixgeek.com/phoenix.html
Look at the realm population of midgar at the bottom... It's the only one growing and hibernia is actually underpopulated since last week. So can you stop now?
Midgard is not dying and you are wasting everyone's time

Again, read and comprehend not just make crap up pls. It's not about ONE realm, it's about the GAME

You post without anything else than your feelings to back up your claims.
You have nothing else.
Instead of crying here, try to make maxisto stop taking flag with 3/4 fg that could help you take keeps (you know, like you did for 2/3 months around december and dominated everything). No other realm does that at the mid scale atm. Hib has a unity that you don't have, because of one zerg leader doing the same thing every day of the week. It's a people problem, not a number or realm problem.

Thu 28 May 2020 9:24 AM by Azrael

mattymc wrote: ↑
Wed 27 May 2020 1:58 PM

Your opinion seems to be different depending on what realm is dominating. Did not see you crying about a broken game here.

https://forum.playphoenix.online/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=11901
https://forum.playphoenix.online/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=11662

you want to explain yourself plz?

Thu 28 May 2020 11:55 PM by mattymc

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Thu 28 May 2020 7:48 AM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Thu 28 May 2020 12:06 AM
Noashakra wrote: ↑
Wed 27 May 2020 2:31 PM
MAYBE you should be a BG LEADER and try to tackle MAXISTO to make your ZERG instead of complaining here. Because POPULATION is not an ISSUE.

https://unixgeek.com/phoenix.html
Look at the realm population of midgar at the bottom... It's the only one growing and hibernia is actually underpopulated since last week. So can you stop now?
Midgard is not dying and you are wasting everyone's time

Again, read and comprehend not just make crap up pls. It's not about ONE realm, it's about the GAME

You post without anything else than your feelings to back up your claims.
You have nothing else.
Instead of crying here, try to make maxisto stop taking flag with 3/4 fg that could help you take keeps (you know, like you did for 2/3 months around december and dominated everything). No other realm does that at the mid scale atm. Hib has a unity that you don't have, because of one zerg leader doing the same thing every day of the week. It's a people problem, not a number or realm problem.

So people doing things allowed in game, encouraged BY the game and rewarded by the current design of the game is a People problem not a game problem....I don't quite think you understand what you type let alone what I do....

Thu 28 May 2020 11:57 PM by mattymc

tyrantanic wrote: ↑
Thu 28 May 2020 4:16 AM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Thu 28 May 2020 12:04 AM
tyrantanic wrote: ↑
Wed 27 May 2020 5:56 PM
I definitely made more RPs killing the Mid zerg last night with catapults than roaming the tasks during NA prime.

Mid had ~150 Lvl 50s in NF while Alb and Hib had ~100 (2200 EST). Population bounces around all the time in this game. Comparing Phoenix to Live is not reasonable as they are completely different games. Anyone who has played Live in the past year should understand that.

Really --- you see no similarities whatsoever between the pop flows and decisions not made??? Interesting

I don't blame developers for players making poor choices. Nothing the developers do will change that. The majority of the player base here is casual and not competitive as clearly demonstrated by the failure of the PvP event. They want RPs. Not good fights. Is zerging / steam rolling the other realm(s) the best way to make RPs? No. Is it the easiest? Yes. If you remove the means of obtaining RPs easily, players will quit and the population will dwindle. That is an unfortunate reality of the DAoC community.

Probably true -- isnt it worth trying something different though?

Fri 29 May 2020 6:00 AM by Noashakra

it's cool that you don't even address any evidence that doesn't go your way. Stay in your echo chamber.

Fri 29 May 2020 9:09 PM by tyrantanic

mattymc wrote: ↑
Thu 28 May 2020 11:57 PM
tyrantanic wrote: ↑
Thu 28 May 2020 4:16 AM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Thu 28 May 2020 12:04 AM
Really --- you see no similarities whatsoever between the pop flows and decisions not made??? Interesting

I don't blame developers for players making poor choices. Nothing the developers do will change that. The majority of the player base here is casual and not competitive as clearly demonstrated by the failure of the PvP event. They want RPs. Not good fights. Is zerging / steam rolling the other realm(s) the best way to make RPs? No. Is it the easiest? Yes. If you remove the means of obtaining RPs easily, players will quit and the population will dwindle. That is an unfortunate reality of the DAoC community.

Probably true -- isnt it worth trying something different though?

Depends on what you have in mind. The current reward system works well for those who play competitively and still allows for casuals to gain RPs at a steady rate. Of course those who play more will earn more but that won't change without imposing RP ceilings on a daily, weekly, or monthly basis. My only gripe is rewarding RPs for empty keep / tower captures (aka PvE RPs). A system similar to what Live has currently wouldn't be bad: players only earn RPs for successfully defending or capturing keeps / towers when enemy players are present and scales based on the number of enemies killed. However, I don't think this is a major driving force for the issue at hand.

The truth is, players group together to increase their chance(s) at beating other players. This is a skill gap problem which really can't be solved by a developer. Class balance, and by extension realm balance, plays a part in this but doesn't outweigh the skill component. My group on Alb has beaten 2-3 groups of Mids (sometimes Hibs) doing tasks and attempting to capture towers when we should have easily been steam rolled. I've seen this done by groups on other realms as well. Numbers do not always dictate outcome. Developers can incentivize players to fight "fairly" or punish players that don't, but it won't matter unless the skill gap shrinks. Zergs dodging each other or ganging up on the underpopulated realm is a result of poor leadership which ebbs and flows with population. At the end of the day, the game can only be as good as its player base.

Fri 29 May 2020 11:55 PM by mattymc

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Fri 29 May 2020 6:00 AM
it's cool that you don't even address any evidence that doesn't go your way. Stay in your echo chamber.

Evidence....show me something that goes against what I have said and I am happy to consider --- you haven't. I point out once again, the charts do not disprove anything I have said and, more importantly, don't prove what you think they do --- I don't intend to run you through an analysis course to explain why.

Sat 30 May 2020 12:05 AM by mattymc

tyrantanic wrote: ↑
Fri 29 May 2020 9:09 PM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Thu 28 May 2020 11:57 PM
tyrantanic wrote: ↑
Thu 28 May 2020 4:16 AM
I don't blame developers for players making poor choices. Nothing the developers do will change that. The majority of the player base here is casual and not competitive as clearly demonstrated by the failure of the PvP event. They want RPs. Not good fights. Is zerging / steam rolling the other realm(s) the best way to make RPs? No. Is it the easiest? Yes. If you remove the means of obtaining RPs easily, players will quit and the population will dwindle. That is an unfortunate reality of the DAoC community.

Probably true -- isnt it worth trying something different though?

Depends on what you have in mind. The current reward system works well for those who play competitively and still allows for casuals to gain RPs at a steady rate. Of course those who play more will earn more but that won't change without imposing RP ceilings on a daily, weekly, or monthly basis. My only gripe is rewarding RPs for empty keep / tower captures (aka PvE RPs). A system similar to what Live has currently wouldn't be bad: players only earn RPs for successfully defending or capturing keeps / towers when enemy players are present and scales based on the number of enemies killed. However, I don't think this is a major driving force for the issue at hand.

The truth is, players group together to increase their chance(s) at beating other players. This is a skill gap problem which really can't be solved by a developer. Class balance, and by extension realm balance, plays a part in this but doesn't outweigh the skill component. My group on Alb has beaten 2-3 groups of Mids (sometimes Hibs) doing tasks and attempting to capture towers when we should have easily been steam rolled. I've seen this done by groups on other realms as well. Numbers do not always dictate outcome. Developers can incentivize players to fight "fairly" or punish players that don't, but it won't matter unless the skill gap shrinks. Zergs dodging each other or ganging up on the underpopulated realm is a result of poor leadership which ebbs and flows with population. At the end of the day, the game can only be as good as its player base.

Again , I don't disagree with most of what you say, but when MASSIVE numbers just rotate around it destroys the essence of the game. It took LIVE extremely long to 1) recognize this and 2) do much about it; even then it was done poorly and grudgingly.

I wholeheartedly agree that rewarding PvE of keeps and towers is rampant and silly; addressing this is a start but I think there are other active and passive measures that can be taken to disincentivize the ridiculous <local>( meaning time etc) dominance by any one realm and reward the original goals of the game while still supporting the casual player (Super rewarding defense on a sliding scale based on the % of disadvantage as an example). Otherwise, we are left with what we have now which actual harms the casual player unless they happen to be in phase with wherever the dominate realm <at there dominate time> happens to reside.

Sat 30 May 2020 7:04 AM by Noashakra

mattymc wrote: ↑
Fri 29 May 2020 11:55 PM
Noashakra wrote: ↑
Fri 29 May 2020 6:00 AM
it's cool that you don't even address any evidence that doesn't go your way. Stay in your echo chamber.

Evidence....show me something that goes against what I have said and I am happy to consider --- you haven't. I point out once again, the charts do not disprove anything I have said and, more importantly, don't prove what you think they do --- I don't intend to run you through an analysis course to explain why.

I have numbers, you don't. They don't fir your narative. End of the story stop your whinning.

Mon 1 Jun 2020 1:01 PM by mattymc

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Sat 30 May 2020 7:04 AM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Fri 29 May 2020 11:55 PM
Noashakra wrote: ↑
Fri 29 May 2020 6:00 AM
it's cool that you don't even address any evidence that doesn't go your way. Stay in your echo chamber.

Evidence....show me something that goes against what I have said and I am happy to consider --- you haven't. I point out once again, the charts do not disprove anything I have said and, more importantly, don't prove what you think they do --- I don't intend to run you through an analysis course to explain why.

I have numbers, you don't. They don't fir your narative. End of the story stop your whinning.

Here is a number --- 17.46 -- without context it means nothing, it's just a number. What do your numbers mean --- I am sure you have no idea. Here is a very simple idea, look at the results <in this case what is actually happening in game>...do your numbers make sense? One of many things just to start --- you have numbers, now learn what they mean AND what they do NOT mean.

Mon 1 Jun 2020 2:34 PM by Noashakra

Yesterday hib was underpop, albion had more than 100 players in the ZF. Hib is underpop since two weeks and it's an ongoing trend.
OMG HIB DYING!!!!!!!!!!

Man get a life. You have 0 argument.

Numbers are here, mid the the realm that gains people and they have more people than hib
https://unixgeek.com/phoenix.html

So now you can stop talking out of your butt with 0 number or fact to back up your narative.

Mon 1 Jun 2020 4:27 PM by daytonchambers

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Mon 1 Jun 2020 2:34 PM
Yesterday hib was underpop, albion had more than 100 players in the ZF. Hib is underpop since two weeks and it's an ongoing trend.
OMG HIB DYING!!!!!!!!!!

Man get a life. You have 0 argument.

Numbers are here, mid the the realm that gains people and they have more people than hib
https://unixgeek.com/phoenix.html

So now you can stop talking out of your butt with 0 number or fact to back up your narative.

I like that the person running that site is doing this for the community but holy hell is that data shown via the worst graph layout I've ever seen.

If an accountant presented graphical data to a client like that they would be fired on the spot.

Mon 1 Jun 2020 5:35 PM by Noashakra

daytonchambers wrote: ↑
Mon 1 Jun 2020 4:27 PM
Noashakra wrote: ↑
Mon 1 Jun 2020 2:34 PM
Yesterday hib was underpop, albion had more than 100 players in the ZF. Hib is underpop since two weeks and it's an ongoing trend.
OMG HIB DYING!!!!!!!!!!

Man get a life. You have 0 argument.

Numbers are here, mid the the realm that gains people and they have more people than hib
https://unixgeek.com/phoenix.html

So now you can stop talking out of your butt with 0 number or fact to back up your narative.

I like that the person running that site is doing this for the community but holy hell is that data shown via the worst graph layout I've ever seen.

If an accountant presented graphical data to a client like that they would be fired on the spot.

Yeah it's not the best presentation I have to say.

Mon 1 Jun 2020 11:52 PM by mattymc

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Mon 1 Jun 2020 2:34 PM
Yesterday hib was underpop, albion had more than 100 players in the ZF. Hib is underpop since two weeks and it's an ongoing trend.
OMG HIB DYING!!!!!!!!!!

Man get a life. You have 0 argument.

Numbers are here, mid the the realm that gains people and they have more people than hib
https://unixgeek.com/phoenix.html

So now you can stop talking out of your butt with 0 number or fact to back up your narative.

You have no idea what the numbers mean and later you don't like the presentation -- perhaps LEARN what they show and actually READ and comprehend peoples posts so you stop making silly statements -- the GAME is broken, fluctuating population OP'ing <by numbers> one realm for a given time is NOT good. Again, look at the results...just because you don't understand an argument doesn't mean one isn't there and valid.

Tue 2 Jun 2020 4:07 AM by Azrael

Azrael wrote: ↑
Thu 28 May 2020 9:24 AM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Wed 27 May 2020 1:58 PM

Your opinion seems to be different depending on what realm is dominating. Did not see you crying about a broken game here.

https://forum.playphoenix.online/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=11901
https://forum.playphoenix.online/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=11662

you want to explain yourself plz?

bump

Tue 2 Jun 2020 6:23 AM by Razur Ur

Hibernia is death no 8er groups more :-( thx staff for bard nerf!!!!

Tue 2 Jun 2020 8:27 AM by Noashakra

mattymc wrote: ↑
Mon 1 Jun 2020 11:52 PM
Noashakra wrote: ↑
Mon 1 Jun 2020 2:34 PM
Yesterday hib was underpop, albion had more than 100 players in the ZF. Hib is underpop since two weeks and it's an ongoing trend.
OMG HIB DYING!!!!!!!!!!

Man get a life. You have 0 argument.

Numbers are here, mid the the realm that gains people and they have more people than hib
https://unixgeek.com/phoenix.html

So now you can stop talking out of your butt with 0 number or fact to back up your narative.

You have no idea what the numbers mean and later you don't like the presentation -- perhaps LEARN what they show and actually READ and comprehend peoples posts so you stop making silly statements -- the GAME is broken, fluctuating population OP'ing <by numbers> one realm for a given time is NOT good. Again, look at the results...just because you don't understand an argument doesn't mean one isn't there and valid.

The presentation is bad, but I can understand what those graph mean thanks (I have a master 2 in economics, I know how to read graphs, even bad ones). But you say I don't understand them without any counter argumentation.
You opinion means 0, you post dumb post after dumb post, everything is based on your feelings and nobody agreed with you in 15 pages. Go back to your cave troll.

SHOW US PROOFS that mid is dying, because the numbers are NOT in your favor. In fact, the number of players and average players on mid INCREASE, which is not what DYING means...

Tue 2 Jun 2020 1:32 PM by Gildar

Razur Ur wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jun 2020 6:23 AM
Hibernia is death no 8er groups more :-( thx staff for bard nerf!!!!

Sad but true ☹

This is one matter in wich Devs are involved ... and they made a terrible mistake ...
Revert that pls ... save RvR on Hib

Tue 2 Jun 2020 1:49 PM by Razur Ur

Gildar wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jun 2020 1:32 PM
Razur Ur wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jun 2020 6:23 AM
Hibernia is death no 8er groups more :-( thx staff for bard nerf!!!!

Sad but true ☹

This is one matter in wich Devs are involved ... and they made a terrible mistake ...
Revert that pls ... save RvR on Hib

you could also see the last few days how the hib population has dropped when pilzpower was not online.

Wed 3 Jun 2020 10:12 AM by gnefner

Razur Ur wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jun 2020 1:49 PM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jun 2020 1:32 PM
Razur Ur wrote: ↑
Tue 2 Jun 2020 6:23 AM
Hibernia is death no 8er groups more :-( thx staff for bard nerf!!!!

Sad but true ☹

This is one matter in wich Devs are involved ... and they made a terrible mistake ...
Revert that pls ... save RvR on Hib

you could also see the last few days how the hib population has dropped when pilzpower was not online.

Also, PK left for Mid - so all the monkies follow..

Thu 4 Jun 2020 8:04 AM by Sepplord

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Mon 1 Jun 2020 2:34 PM
Numbers are here, mid the the realm that gains people and they have more people than hib
https://unixgeek.com/phoenix.html

JFYI
according to the population health graph in the bottom none of the realms are gaining players...mid is only losing them the slowest.
But besides that i agree with you

Thu 4 Jun 2020 8:20 AM by Noashakra

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jun 2020 8:04 AM
Noashakra wrote: ↑
Mon 1 Jun 2020 2:34 PM
Numbers are here, mid the the realm that gains people and they have more people than hib
https://unixgeek.com/phoenix.html
JFYI
according to the population health graph in the bottom none of the realms are gaining players...mid is only losing them the slowest.
But besides that i agree with you

It means people are moving from hib and alb to mid, so they are gaining players (just no new players). But yeah overall the whole population deacreases.

Hibernia is at 27/28% of the total population, is it the time already for a post "soooooo hibernia is dying"?

Thu 4 Jun 2020 8:22 AM by Sepplord

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jun 2020 8:20 AM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jun 2020 8:04 AM
Noashakra wrote: ↑
Mon 1 Jun 2020 2:34 PM
Numbers are here, mid the the realm that gains people and they have more people than hib
https://unixgeek.com/phoenix.html
JFYI
according to the population health graph in the bottom none of the realms are gaining players...mid is only losing them the slowest.
But besides that i agree with you

It means people are moving from hib and alb to mid, so they are gaining players (just no new players). But yeah overall the whole population deacreases.

Then the population of midgard would be trending upwards, but it is also shown in the red area. All realms populations are in the red, that's why there is only red. If you can find an imagine from server start the graph showed white (for neutral) and green (for growing population) too

Thu 4 Jun 2020 8:26 AM by Noashakra

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jun 2020 8:22 AM
Noashakra wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jun 2020 8:20 AM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jun 2020 8:04 AM
JFYI
according to the population health graph in the bottom none of the realms are gaining players...mid is only losing them the slowest.
But besides that i agree with you

It means people are moving from hib and alb to mid, so they are gaining players (just no new players). But yeah overall the whole population deacreases.

Then the population of midgard would be trending upwards, but it is also shown in the red area. All realms populations are in the red, that's why there is only red. If you can find an imagine from server start the graph showed white (for neutral) and green (for growing population) too

The population decrease is an overall trend (people are going back to work). If mid has the lowest decrease, it's not because the realm is special, it's because active players are rerolling there (like the PK who moved a few weeks ago).

That's why the curves are going up for alb and mid and down for hib. They are gaining in terme of realm population % (active players), not in term of absolute players.

If one realm is "dying" it's hibernia at the moment

Thu 4 Jun 2020 8:30 AM by Sepplord

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Thu 4 Jun 2020 8:26 AM
If one realm is "dying" it's hibernia at the moment

Yeah, looking at the population trend the decline there really looks worrying

Fri 12 Jun 2020 2:25 PM by Hector

Mid is thriving during NA time.

Mon 15 Jun 2020 11:56 AM by Razur Ur

gnefner wrote: ↑
Wed 3 Jun 2020 10:12 AM
Also, PK left for Mid - so all the monkies follow..

Midgard was to diffycult for PK they playing now Albion :-D

Mon 15 Jun 2020 12:17 PM by Noashakra

350 mid in ZF yesterday vs 290 albs and 280 hib EU prime time. Mid is dying am I right?

Mon 15 Jun 2020 1:25 PM by Failwalker

I heard midgard was dying :,(

Or did i missread and they meant whining ?!

Tue 16 Jun 2020 5:20 AM by Highfather17

Midgard is by far the ugliest realm.

I dunno why people want to play there.

Tue 16 Jun 2020 7:11 AM by Siouxsie

Highfather17 wrote: ↑
Tue 16 Jun 2020 5:20 AM
Midgard is by far the ugliest realm.

I dunno why people want to play there.

The lore is cooler and we have snow!

Tue 16 Jun 2020 8:00 PM by caelio

Failwalker wrote: ↑
Mon 15 Jun 2020 1:25 PM
I heard midgard was dying :,(

Or did i missread and they meant whining ?!

LOL where is midgard ? 0 defense in primetime

Topic closed . GAME OVER

Wed 24 Jun 2020 8:32 PM by 10d6

caelio wrote: ↑
Tue 16 Jun 2020 8:00 PM
LOL where is midgard ? 0 defense in primetime

It's hard to defend when Albs and Hibs don't seem to know that they are actually able to attack each others realms. So many people say that Mid is ugly, and they wouldn't want to play here, but every time I log on, Albs and Hibs are all here and Mid is red and green. One time, I have seen albs take one keep in Hib land....assuming that was only because we were trying to get one of our relics back, and had already taken 2 or 3 keeps and their associated towers. Mind you, I've only been on server for roughly a month, so I can't speak to what has happened in the past. We try to take something back with 60 ppl in BG, but only 3 groups actually running with us. Almost everywhere we go, we are met with more defenders than we have attackers and almost immediately AJ'ed by the other realm.

Just yesterday, our BG leader had to boot a couple people from Discord and battlegroup for feeding information to realm enemies. We shouldn't have to have a separate chat group to decide which misinformation we are going to spread in bg chat, but that's a step we have to take now to avoid set up BG's of 60+ people waiting for our 24 to try and get some blue back on the map. Hell, we're already being double-teamed. Let your bg leaders make mistakes, no need to cheat.

Either way, some of us will just keep plugging away, doing our best to clean up after the dirty hippies and wannabe Gandalfs finally go home...if they ever do. Personally, I like playing the underdog. It feels better when you accomplish something that you had to work for instead of it being handed to ya. My first car was a ****box, but I worked for it, I earned it and I loved it. Try to take pride in something that was given to you...you can't.

Personally, I'm not giving up on Mid. I started here at live release and only played the other realms so I had an idea what the classes were capable of. I'll be out there, getting my arse kicked at every opportunity and I look forward to killing and being killed by all of you Albs and Hibs.

/whine off

-Comically enough, as I come to the end of this post, I log on and check /rw to see Hibs have taken Berk. Good job, kiddos! About time you brought property values down somewhere else...

-10d6

Thu 25 Jun 2020 5:44 AM by Noashakra

It's not like if alb took all the hib keeps a few days ago...

Fri 26 Jun 2020 10:25 AM by Gildar

Just yesterday Hibs took Eras and Surs and siege Hurbury .... then Polemo and his zerg 60+ ppl log on ... end of RvR :p

If Mid sometimes try to take a tower on alb ...

Anyway see ya all on the field

Sun 5 Jul 2020 12:19 PM by Frug

daytonchambers wrote: ↑
Mon 1 Jun 2020 4:27 PM
I like that the person running that site is doing this for the community but holy hell is that data shown via the worst graph layout I've ever seen.

If an accountant presented graphical data to a client like that they would be fired on the spot.

Drama much? There's a link on the bottom to write the author for suggestions. Complaining without a solution is just whining.

By the way, I'm the author. I'm going to change that graph to a barchart for the less clued. I'd pick a crayon font for you, but I actually also have things to do, like working at my real job not getting fired on the spot.

Tue 7 Jul 2020 9:42 AM by MigSelv

My 2 cents. Coming from a EU player
Mid is not dead, just tired of not having a leader or people in RvR.
Sure there are a few people that stand out from time to time and make a statement, but in general it is my impression that Mids do not defend their lands and rather do tasks, and just wait for the enemy to be bored and then retake the frontier.
The same can be said about the other realms. No opponent = lots of free rps, claws etc.

It also needs to be mentioned that Mids run TG in EU RvR prime time and the raids are almost always at 70+ people. Decs being the leader of said raids atm. From what i heard, there is some silly dispute going on between him and certain guilds that wanted to reduce the amount of raids, so that people are stimulated to join RvR when Midgard needs them. However as of the time i am writing this, Decs has been advertising that the raids will be held every night now. If it is out of spite or not, i dont know. Honestly, i am getting too old for this grade school drama and don't care anymore.

As for myself? I do the same. I have a limited amount of time to spend on the game. Once i log on and i see mid being green/red i either log off, because getting a group is not really easy, or i run to a task zone, and suicide on a keep. meanwhile i will play another game. All this in hope of, that RvR one day will be focused on player vs player interactions instead of PvE'ing

Tue 7 Jul 2020 10:22 AM by inoeth

you need to know midgard is the grown up pr0 realm, ppl dont want to hit on doors, only bad players do that. they look for challenge and want to kill enemys. thats why nobody cares about keeps. you are not going to valhalla with a broken door in hand...

Tue 7 Jul 2020 10:51 PM by Gildar

inoeth wrote: ↑
Tue 7 Jul 2020 10:22 AM
you need to know midgard is the grown up pr0 realm, ppl dont want to hit on doors, only bad players do that. they look for challenge and want to kill enemys. thats why nobody cares about keeps. you are not going to valhalla with a broken door in hand...

You are not going to Valhalla also with a dirty flag in hand ... or with a ball of snow from TG ^^

As a Hib player running also with Gilboom BG i can say that our lead do siege to towers to call enemies in frontier to fight with them ... but Mid never comes to fight ... guess Valhalla is really far from Mid players atm

Wed 8 Jul 2020 6:59 AM by inoeth

Gildar wrote: ↑
Tue 7 Jul 2020 10:51 PM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Tue 7 Jul 2020 10:22 AM
you need to know midgard is the grown up pr0 realm, ppl dont want to hit on doors, only bad players do that. they look for challenge and want to kill enemys. thats why nobody cares about keeps. you are not going to valhalla with a broken door in hand...

You are not going to Valhalla also with a dirty flag in hand ... or with a ball of snow from TG ^^

As a Hib player running also with Gilboom BG i can say that our lead do siege to towers to call enemies in frontier to fight with them ... but Mid never comes to fight ... guess Valhalla is really far from Mid players atm

when i log in and see that every blue keep has at least one red/green tower => no ports open, i instantly log out.
really if you want ppl to come dont cut off all ports....

Wed 8 Jul 2020 12:32 PM by Nunki

My 2 cents.

Midgard is not dying. We are the RvR underdog because we don't have a 12/7 no life bg leader as Hib and Alb have.
In addition to that there are many leet-8x8 groups who wouldn't help the realm even if the realm/server dies due to this.

The decision of every bg-leader has a high value regarding server health what they obviously don't understand.
Server health (especially for such a freeshard) should be more important than RP's, but they aren't.

Go for the overpopped realm, go for the realm with the most relics. Thats what a three realm system is for.
Do that even when there is a risk to die.
If you see the underdog going for the realm with the most relics, don't try to wipe them and steal the realic. Go for the other relic instead.

Gildar wrote: ↑
Tue 7 Jul 2020 10:51 PM
As a Hib player running also with Gilboom BG i can say that our lead do siege to towers to call enemies in frontier to fight with them ... but Mid never comes to fight ... guess Valhalla is really far from Mid players atm

Don't PvE keeps and break towers of the underdog realm and expect to motivate them for action. You wouldn't feel motivated either.
As soon as all ports are down, no bg active and the players got farmed at the relic town by stealther zerg or roaming 8 mans they just log off for a good reason.

Players greed for RP's every day, they try to demotivate the opposing faction as good as possible and after 2 years they cry because server population is declining.
We all share the same passion, we all want that this server is alive and fun. Act that way.

Wed 8 Jul 2020 2:10 PM by jhaerik

No charge.

About it really.

Wed 8 Jul 2020 10:08 PM by Gildar

inoeth wrote: ↑
Wed 8 Jul 2020 6:59 AM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Tue 7 Jul 2020 10:51 PM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Tue 7 Jul 2020 10:22 AM
you need to know midgard is the grown up pr0 realm, ppl dont want to hit on doors, only bad players do that. they look for challenge and want to kill enemys. thats why nobody cares about keeps. you are not going to valhalla with a broken door in hand...

You are not going to Valhalla also with a dirty flag in hand ... or with a ball of snow from TG ^^

As a Hib player running also with Gilboom BG i can say that our lead do siege to towers to call enemies in frontier to fight with them ... but Mid never comes to fight ... guess Valhalla is really far from Mid players atm

when i log in and see that every blue keep has at least one red/green tower => no ports open, i instantly log out.
really if you want ppl to come dont cut off all ports....

And you made a mistake. Just today i log and Johny BG cut all Hib ports in our frontier ... we log like u do ?
No. Gilboom call for retake and hunt Mid BG ... Mids are 26 (our tower spam) and we are only 18 / 20 ... we were wiped 2 times but we fight on and disrupt mid BG...

If we all log like u do ... we cant retake Hib all Green.
If you dont fight you cant have any chance ...
So the real question is ... why Mids dont fight ?
Why when i do small taking flags i met 2 fg Mids running sticked but they dont go fight in siege or BG vs BG ?

Wed 8 Jul 2020 10:16 PM by Gildar

@Nunki

Stop crying Mid underdog ... Mids on are more than us Hibs all times i login....

Simply 70% oh Hibs going RvR ... And still ... we cant understand why so few Mids (about 40%) comes rvr ...
Today Hib siege all day Alb frontier ... all Mid front was blue but ... i dont see any Mid come to fight ... bah

Thu 9 Jul 2020 6:12 AM by inoeth

Gildar wrote: ↑
Wed 8 Jul 2020 10:08 PM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Wed 8 Jul 2020 6:59 AM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Tue 7 Jul 2020 10:51 PM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Tue 7 Jul 2020 10:22 AM
you need to know midgard is the grown up pr0 realm, ppl dont want to hit on doors, only bad players do that. they look for challenge and want to kill enemys. thats why nobody cares about keeps. you are not going to valhalla with a broken door in hand...

You are not going to Valhalla also with a dirty flag in hand ... or with a ball of snow from TG ^^

As a Hib player running also with Gilboom BG i can say that our lead do siege to towers to call enemies in frontier to fight with them ... but Mid never comes to fight ... guess Valhalla is really far from Mid players atm

when i log in and see that every blue keep has at least one red/green tower => no ports open, i instantly log out.
really if you want ppl to come dont cut off all ports....

And you made a mistake. Just today i log and Johny BG cut all Hib ports in our frontier ... we log like u do ?
No. Gilboom call for retake and hunt Mid BG ... Mids are 26 (our tower spam) and we are only 18 / 20 ... we were wiped 2 times but we fight on and disrupt mid BG...

If we all log like u do ... we cant retake Hib all Green.
If you dont fight you cant have any chance ...
So the real question is ... why Mids dont fight ?
Why when i do small taking flags i met 2 fg Mids running sticked but they dont go fight in siege or BG vs BG ?

i dont zerg
i have zero interest in raiding keeps
so when ports are cut, i log out
its no fun getting ganked at relic dock or taking the boat to another coast and get ganked there after 10 min travel time...no point going out for me

Thu 9 Jul 2020 6:13 AM by inoeth

Gildar wrote: ↑
Wed 8 Jul 2020 10:16 PM
@Nunki

Stop crying Mid underdog ... Mids on are more than us Hibs all times i login....

Simply 70% oh Hibs going RvR ... And still ... we cant understand why so few Mids (about 40%) comes rvr ...
Today Hib siege all day Alb frontier ... all Mid front was blue but ... i dont see any Mid come to fight ... bah

it also no fun to fight hibs hin keep siege... especially not for mids

Thu 9 Jul 2020 6:48 AM by gotwqqd

I remember the frontier towns were always loaded with mids
Just get them out in rvr

Thu 9 Jul 2020 7:07 AM by Lollie

gotwqqd wrote: ↑
Thu 9 Jul 2020 6:48 AM
I remember the frontier towns were always loaded with mids
Just get them out in rvr

They are just waiting for the task to shift to mid so they dont have to get boats.

Thu 9 Jul 2020 7:47 AM by Gildar

inoeth wrote: ↑
Thu 9 Jul 2020 6:12 AM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Wed 8 Jul 2020 10:08 PM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Wed 8 Jul 2020 6:59 AM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Tue 7 Jul 2020 10:51 PM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Tue 7 Jul 2020 10:22 AM
you need to know midgard is the grown up pr0 realm, ppl dont want to hit on doors, only bad players do that. they look for challenge and want to kill enemys. thats why nobody cares about keeps. you are not going to valhalla with a broken door in hand...

You are not going to Valhalla also with a dirty flag in hand ... or with a ball of snow from TG ^^

As a Hib player running also with Gilboom BG i can say that our lead do siege to towers to call enemies in frontier to fight with them ... but Mid never comes to fight ... guess Valhalla is really far from Mid players atm

when i log in and see that every blue keep has at least one red/green tower => no ports open, i instantly log out.
really if you want ppl to come dont cut off all ports....

And you made a mistake. Just today i log and Johny BG cut all Hib ports in our frontier ... we log like u do ?
No. Gilboom call for retake and hunt Mid BG ... Mids are 26 (our tower spam) and we are only 18 / 20 ... we were wiped 2 times but we fight on and disrupt mid BG...

If we all log like u do ... we cant retake Hib all Green.
If you dont fight you cant have any chance ...
So the real question is ... why Mids dont fight ?
Why when i do small taking flags i met 2 fg Mids running sticked but they dont go fight in siege or BG vs BG ?

i dont zerg
i have zero interest in raiding keeps
so when ports are cut, i log out
its no fun getting ganked at relic dock or taking the boat to another coast and get ganked there after 10 min travel time...no point going out for me

ok u play solo ...

so accept to be ganked or added in all of your fights ... also on my ranger i was added and ganked all the time, especially by 2 fg Mids running sticked in flag take LOL, but i dont cry ... it's the game.

this is NOT an arena game ... if u want such a game ... install Guild Wars.

Thu 9 Jul 2020 7:47 AM by Gildar

Lollie wrote: ↑
Thu 9 Jul 2020 7:07 AM
gotwqqd wrote: ↑
Thu 9 Jul 2020 6:48 AM
I remember the frontier towns were always loaded with mids
Just get them out in rvr

They are just waiting for the task to shift to mid sp they dont have to get boats.

That's is !!!

Thu 9 Jul 2020 8:03 PM by inoeth

Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 9 Jul 2020 7:47 AM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Thu 9 Jul 2020 6:12 AM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Wed 8 Jul 2020 10:08 PM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Wed 8 Jul 2020 6:59 AM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Tue 7 Jul 2020 10:51 PM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Tue 7 Jul 2020 10:22 AM
you need to know midgard is the grown up pr0 realm, ppl dont want to hit on doors, only bad players do that. they look for challenge and want to kill enemys. thats why nobody cares about keeps. you are not going to valhalla with a broken door in hand...

You are not going to Valhalla also with a dirty flag in hand ... or with a ball of snow from TG ^^

As a Hib player running also with Gilboom BG i can say that our lead do siege to towers to call enemies in frontier to fight with them ... but Mid never comes to fight ... guess Valhalla is really far from Mid players atm

when i log in and see that every blue keep has at least one red/green tower => no ports open, i instantly log out.
really if you want ppl to come dont cut off all ports....

And you made a mistake. Just today i log and Johny BG cut all Hib ports in our frontier ... we log like u do ?
No. Gilboom call for retake and hunt Mid BG ... Mids are 26 (our tower spam) and we are only 18 / 20 ... we were wiped 2 times but we fight on and disrupt mid BG...

If we all log like u do ... we cant retake Hib all Green.
If you dont fight you cant have any chance ...
So the real question is ... why Mids dont fight ?
Why when i do small taking flags i met 2 fg Mids running sticked but they dont go fight in siege or BG vs BG ?

i dont zerg
i have zero interest in raiding keeps
so when ports are cut, i log out
its no fun getting ganked at relic dock or taking the boat to another coast and get ganked there after 10 min travel time...no point going out for me

i have no argument, i suggest to play another game

nice try bro

Thu 9 Jul 2020 11:11 PM by Gildar

You dont have argument ... i tell that also on my ranger i'm ganked all the time.
I flee from game and logout ? NO
This is the game and i accept that rules ...
if it is Red it is dead ...

You viceversa logout and dont go out relic town ... you pretend that other players play as YOU like ???
LOL mate ... you are a wannabe Trump ...

Good argument.... you cant say nothing in replay so ... gogogo humour/clap

Sat 11 Jul 2020 2:57 PM by Shamissa

This thread is getting better every time I log on LOL. Midgard is dieing because they only wanna play 8man, and thats not what daoc is about ....you can run an 8man sure....but not the whole freaking realm transformed in 8man elitist trash. That’s why Midgard is dieing....those doesnt enjoy the 8man crap ofc are going to move to other realms who aren’t based only in 8man....my 2c. GL

Sat 11 Jul 2020 3:24 PM by gromet12

Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 9 Jul 2020 11:11 PM
You dont have argument ... i tell that also on my ranger i'm ganked all the time.
I flee from game and logout ? NO
This is the game and i accept that rules ...
if it is Red it is dead ...

You viceversa logout and dont go out relic town ... you pretend that other players play as YOU like ???
LOL mate ... you are a wannabe Trump ...

Good argument.... you cant say nothing in replay so ... gogogo humour/clap

People want to play differently than you so you resort to character attacks? Sounds like you have major issues mate, people have the ability to play the game however they want. Just because you like a certain way it doesn’t make it he only way that matters

You seem to enjoy taking a mass group of players and pve keeps, that’s great but that is not fun to others as it maybe to you. Some want to play for the challenge of 8vs8 which is what made daoc in its prime time, they want to enjoy the competitive play with friends this style can bring so why hate on them? DAOC in its prime was always about roaming groups, not the Zerg warfare we have here for keeps. This server failed in creating the play style that made daoc, or the new player base is too used to games like WOW or others that didn’t create that atmosphere. Others want to use the tools (typically powerful classes already or slight advantages over something) to roam solo for the fun of the single fight.

Not one way is the correct way, maybe you should learn some tolerance when people have different ideas than you as players are able to make decisions in how they want to play the game. Here you can chose to play red is dead if you want, others can play whatever game they want as well (Pve, crafters, w/e gives you enjoyment in the game since that is the purpose).

Sat 11 Jul 2020 9:49 PM by Gildar

gromet12 wrote: ↑
Sat 11 Jul 2020 3:24 PM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 9 Jul 2020 11:11 PM
You dont have argument ... i tell that also on my ranger i'm ganked all the time.
I flee from game and logout ? NO
This is the game and i accept that rules ...
if it is Red it is dead ...

You viceversa logout and dont go out relic town ... you pretend that other players play as YOU like ???
LOL mate ... you are a wannabe Trump ...

Good argument.... you cant say nothing in replay so ... gogogo humour/clap

People want to play differently than you so you resort to character attacks? Sounds like you have major issues mate, people have the ability to play the game however they want. Just because you like a certain way it doesn’t make it he only way that matters

You seem to enjoy taking a mass group of players and pve keeps, that’s great but that is not fun to others as it maybe to you. Some want to play for the challenge of 8vs8 which is what made daoc in its prime time, they want to enjoy the competitive play with friends this style can bring so why hate on them? DAOC in its prime was always about roaming groups, not the Zerg warfare we have here for keeps. This server failed in creating the play style that made daoc, or the new player base is too used to games like WOW or others that didn’t create that atmosphere. Others want to use the tools (typically powerful classes already or slight advantages over something) to roam solo for the fun of the single fight.

Not one way is the correct way, maybe you should learn some tolerance when people have different ideas than you as players are able to make decisions in how they want to play the game. Here you can chose to play red is dead if you want, others can play whatever game they want as well (Pve, crafters, w/e gives you enjoyment in the game since that is the purpose).

sorry mate, you have completely wrong answer.
I never said that everyone must play as I like .... and then you don't even know me, what do you know about how I play?
I only replied to another who claims that all players have to play as he wants.
And replay at the topic .... why Mid is dying ..

I started playing DAOC in 2000 ... I played small, 8v8, solo and zerg in 20 years.
Here too I play all styles (zerg when i want, 8v8 with my mates and solo on my Ranger) and for me everyone can play as he wishes, as long as he doesn't complain ... they zerg our grp ... they add my solo duel .... 8men kill my small ...

Accept the DAOC rules and stop whining!
is there a rule that forbids zerg? NO
Is there a rule that forbids add? NO
Is there a rule that forbids a fg to attack a small one? NO

then stop whining because others play differently or because other realms cut ports and so on.

I have been playing since 2000 and since the beginning there has always been zerg ... at the gates of Emain in OF especially ... it is not true that in the beginning it was 8v8 ... lol at the beginning of the first servers there were very few 50 and you went in RvR from 35 ... zerging
in conclusion ... don't talk about what you don't know.
thank you

Sun 12 Jul 2020 7:23 AM by Wakefield

As a middie from Beta, with a brief holiday on Alb to try on nostalgia goggles, I think most Mids are just fed up.

Its been that way for a while.

BG rvr is not everyones thing, I personally only like it when you are fighting defenders, not mindless hitting an empty keep which the third realm(usually Mid), cannot get as its a two vs one thing.

Prime example, a short time ago, Hib had 5 relics and Alb had 1. Did Gio/Polemo try to go get the Alb ones back? No, he brought his BG to mid as Pilz was already under way here for some reason.

For a whole week.

Day in, day out. I just gave up retaking anything in the end as why bother, it was just gonna be same thing next day.

This is a game after all, if its getting boring, I just dont bother any more and log off.

Sun 12 Jul 2020 10:06 AM by Noashakra

Mids are fed up because in a rvr game with keep to take, they find it lame to take them back. They prefer to take flags with 5fg vs small mans ans solo.
Ok..
I play solo and in 8 mans during the evening. I don't log off when we have no keeps or tp... Man up.

Sun 12 Jul 2020 10:21 AM by Wakefield

If im not having fun, I don't play. Simple.

And mindless door hitting soon gets tiresome. Likewise running around the flag tasks.

Sun 12 Jul 2020 12:06 PM by Gildar

Wakefield wrote: ↑
Sun 12 Jul 2020 10:21 AM
If im not having fun, I don't play. Simple.

And mindless door hitting soon gets tiresome. Likewise running around the flag tasks.

Mindless door hitting ? LOL

When i join BG in this server i have so many fights thai i cant count ... the only problem is that only Albione come out to fight.

Mid flee from fights .... so where are all that players on Mid waiting to fight and not doing door pve ???

The Real truth is ... Pro Mids prefere sitting on a flag in 3 fg sticked ... Killing some small or solo .... they fear fighting vs 3 fg hib/ alb.

No more lies pls about mindless pve door... look, all the action the 2 last weeks was in alb or hib front ... so where pppl cone out and fight ... but no sign of Midgard players waiting to fight ... top busy taking dirty flags ... i repeat no more lies pls

Sun 12 Jul 2020 12:22 PM by Zocci

I don't know what I thought or wished for with the xp-event but the result speak for itself.

/who bg = none or PvE raid
/serverinfo 460a, 365m, 462h
/u Frontiers 252a, 185m, 253h

People are fed up hitting empty keep is because that's the only thing Mids can successfully do being 50+ less in the Zerg.
I won't mind taking keeps if I had chance at defending them afterwards.
You could summon general Patton himself but beeing at such a disadvantage on a realm designwise already struggling with keep warfare is hard.
One can argue defenders advantage helps but against overwhelming numbers that advantage quickly diminishes.
I can only imagine how hard it is getting people to stay in a BG where the only viable tactic is avoiding the Alb and Hib zerg..

Several people are leaving Mid for greener pastures and I don't blame them.
It is Indeed more enjoyable to win a zerg fight from time to time. Makes it easier to get out there and try again.
With the short realm timer, recently fast xp and feathers you can almost log on and pick and choose.
Why would you pick Mid with no BG and 50 less in frontiers?

With that said I play Mid, enjoy it, and will continue to do so.
It's my realm, as stupid as that sounds with 0-4hour timers..

Population swings and people step up but saying that Mid is struggling at the moment is putting it lightly.
There is a reason I leveled a Hunter during the event..

Midgard, hard mode is hard.

Sun 12 Jul 2020 12:49 PM by gromet12

Gildar wrote: ↑
Sat 11 Jul 2020 9:49 PM
sorry mate, you have completely wrong answer.
I never said that everyone must play as I like .... and then you don't even know me, what do you know about how I play?
I only replied to another who claims that all players have to play as he wants.
And replay at the topic .... why Mid is dying ..

I started playing DAOC in 2000 ... I played small, 8v8, solo and zerg in 20 years.
Here too I play all styles (zerg when i want, 8v8 with my mates and solo on my Ranger) and for me everyone can play as he wishes, as long as he doesn't complain ... they zerg our grp ... they add my solo duel .... 8men kill my small ...

Accept the DAOC rules and stop whining!
is there a rule that forbids zerg? NO
Is there a rule that forbids add? NO
Is there a rule that forbids a fg to attack a small one? NO

then stop whining because others play differently or because other realms cut ports and so on.

I have been playing since 2000 and since the beginning there has always been zerg ... at the gates of Emain in OF especially ... it is not true that in the beginning it was 8v8 ... lol at the beginning of the first servers there were very few 50 and you went in RvR from 35 ... zerging
in conclusion ... don't talk about what you don't know.
thank you

So you played in closed beta for the original daoc game? A game released at the end of 2001 yet you played in 2000

Sun 12 Jul 2020 2:13 PM by Gildar

It was 2001 obviously ... i write 2000 just to explain that i play daoc since first release.

No closed beta tuo

At that time we go rvr at 35 with rogs ... making 50 and with epic armour you play in god mode against ppl lev 35 - 40 lol

Sun 12 Jul 2020 3:47 PM by Wakefield

I thoughts rogs come in when SI launched?

Sun 12 Jul 2020 5:47 PM by Noashakra

Yes sure use the numbers of people in PVE during a 2x feather week. Super smart.....
Especially after an event where people made 2/3 new level 50....

Mon 13 Jul 2020 10:52 PM by Gildar

Btw ... Mid is dyieing ... LOOL
Sunday primetime 200 Mids ravage Hibland ... and Albs also ...
I hope no more Mids comes to cry and whining and sobbing claiming they are underdog Realm and so near to die ....

As i write before ... all lies ...

So stop whining pls

Tue 14 Jul 2020 2:20 AM by ExcretusMaximus

Gildar wrote: ↑
Mon 13 Jul 2020 10:52 PM
Btw ... Mid is dyieing ... LOOL
Sunday primetime 200 Mids ravage Hibland ... and Albs also ...
I hope no more Mids comes to cry and whining and sobbing claiming they are underdog Realm and so near to die ....

As i write before ... all lies ...

So stop whining pls

Congratulations on cherry-picking the one day a month Midgard teams up, known as Blue Sunday.

Where are your massive numbers the other 30 days of the month?

Tue 14 Jul 2020 5:16 AM by Gildar

ExcretusMaximus wrote: ↑
Tue 14 Jul 2020 2:20 AM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Mon 13 Jul 2020 10:52 PM
Btw ... Mid is dyieing ... LOOL
Sunday primetime 200 Mids ravage Hibland ... and Albs also ...
I hope no more Mids comes to cry and whining and sobbing claiming they are underdog Realm and so near to die ....

As i write before ... all lies ...

So stop whining pls

Congratulations on cherry-picking the one day a month Midgard teams up, known as Blue Sunday.

Where are your massive numbers the other 30 days of the month?

Yesterday ... it was Monday .

But 5fg Mid was in Emain with Getroasted and open Tp at Bolg.

Point, set, match . No more lies pls

BB

Tue 14 Jul 2020 9:12 PM by tyrantanic

It's almost like the population ebbs and flows.

Wed 15 Jul 2020 8:09 AM by Noashakra

it's not like you have a tool to check the average pop in the last 30 days !
https://unixgeek.com/phoenix.html

Wed 15 Jul 2020 10:53 AM by inoeth

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Wed 15 Jul 2020 8:09 AM
it's not like you have a too to check the average pop in the last 30 days !
https://unixgeek.com/phoenix.html

as i said before mid is the pro realm, nobody cares about zerg/keep there

Wed 15 Jul 2020 3:10 PM by kratoxin

Gildar wrote: ↑
Mon 13 Jul 2020 10:52 PM
Btw ... Mid is dyieing ... LOOL
Sunday primetime 200 Mids ravage Hibland ... and Albs also ...
I hope no more Mids comes to cry and whining and sobbing claiming they are underdog Realm and so near to die ....

As i write before ... all lies ...

So stop whining pls

Weekend day for one, also 1 day a month people from the other 2 realms come over to join blue sunday, then go back to their home realm to do more zerg festivity's with over 100+ albs or hibs

not our fault your realm mates came over on that day to kill you

Sun 19 Jul 2020 10:38 PM by mattymc

Sadly, there isn't a sliver of difference between here and live --- and that is sad. Same mistakes made.....oh well

Wed 22 Jul 2020 9:40 AM by Valaraukar

Fun fact: this post has been opened 2 and half months ago, and nothing changed.

Still the Alb bg has about 150 ppl, still Hibs have 5 or 6 relics stored for days and days, still Mid has the completely useless underpop bonus...

This is getting absurd, realms need balance and now they are totally unbalanced. Some people say that Mid is the "pro" realm, because it has many 8men groups roaming. It's just because the Mid average setup is quite USELESS in BG, against tons of shrooms or GTAOE, since it has most single melee dps classes. Fancy about a zerk BG hitting everyone 1 vs 1?

At the current state on this server is just impossible for Midgard to stand against Hib and Alb BG. Yes for sure there is a lack of leadership in Midgard but the recent changes and class balance have deal the fatal wound to Mid population. And the staff seems to not bother at all about it. No planned changes, no suggestions, nothing about realm balance. The fact is that this server is becoming totally 8vs8 oriented, so no one longer cares about the balance for great numbers, that is the core of Daoc, or it should be the core of it as it was thought.

So, in the end, enjoy Hibs taking all the relics at once, enjoy Albions enormous BG, enjoy taking empty keeps in Midgard for no reasons, but don't come back whining when the server dies or becomes a large arena for 8vs8 "proh" fights.

Wed 22 Jul 2020 12:40 PM by Noashakra

Please stop, yesterday again, we were rolled by 5 fg mid on a task on breifine and then on Jamtland.
You realm doesn't care about his towers and keeps, and you come here to ask the staff to find solutions... Your players and zerg leaders are the problem.

VERY rich from a dark templar who farmed the tasks with 3/4fg for months ingoring their ZF to come here and cry now... You know a lot about hypocrisy don't you?

Wed 22 Jul 2020 12:50 PM by Valaraukar

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Wed 22 Jul 2020 12:40 PM
Please stop, yesterday again, we were rolled by 5 fg mid on a task on breifine and then on Jamtland.
You realm doesn't care about his towers and keeps, and you come here to ask the staff to find solutions... Your players and zerg leaders are the problem.

5 FGs rolling together is just fantasy... maybe it was the Mid BG, with 5 FG against the 10+ FG bg of Albion and Hib...
And if they were 5 "single" FGs you are just confirming what we are saying: Mid classes don't suit for BGs, and mids prefer to go in groups because is frustrating to go against Alb and Hib zergs with their numbers and, above all, shrooms, necros, GTAOE, pets everywhere and so on.

Wed 22 Jul 2020 12:52 PM by Valaraukar

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Wed 22 Jul 2020 12:40 PM
Please stop, yesterday again, we were rolled by 5 fg mid on a task on breifine and then on Jamtland.
You realm doesn't care about his towers and keeps, and you come here to ask the staff to find solutions... Your players and zerg leaders are the problem.

VERY rich from a dark templar who farmed the tasks with 3/4fg for months ingoring their ZF to come here and cry now... You know a lot about hypocrisy don't you?

We never ignored our FZ and relics, be assured, and whe farmed anywhere we like. It's not up to you to say where we could or could not go, I'm very sorry about it my friend.

Wed 22 Jul 2020 12:53 PM by Noashakra

Valaraukar wrote: ↑
Wed 22 Jul 2020 12:52 PM
Noashakra wrote: ↑
Wed 22 Jul 2020 12:40 PM
Please stop, yesterday again, we were rolled by 5 fg mid on a task on breifine and then on Jamtland.
You realm doesn't care about his towers and keeps, and you come here to ask the staff to find solutions... Your players and zerg leaders are the problem.

VERY rich from a dark templar who farmed the tasks with 3/4fg for months ingoring their ZF to come here and cry now... You know a lot about hypocrisy don't you?

We never ignored our FZ and relics, be assured, and whe farmed anywhere we like. It's not up to you to say where we could or could not go, I'm very sorry about it my friend.

You made your choice, you went to the easy farm. That's why people were mad Maxistoo on mid. It's not up to me to tell you how to play, but don't come here to cry about a situation your guild has a huge part of...
Don't come here to cry a river after.

Wed 22 Jul 2020 12:59 PM by Valaraukar

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Wed 22 Jul 2020 12:53 PM
Valaraukar wrote: ↑
Wed 22 Jul 2020 12:52 PM
Noashakra wrote: ↑
Wed 22 Jul 2020 12:40 PM
Please stop, yesterday again, we were rolled by 5 fg mid on a task on breifine and then on Jamtland.
You realm doesn't care about his towers and keeps, and you come here to ask the staff to find solutions... Your players and zerg leaders are the problem.

VERY rich from a dark templar who farmed the tasks with 3/4fg for months ingoring their ZF to come here and cry now... You know a lot about hypocrisy don't you?

We never ignored our FZ and relics, be assured, and whe farmed anywhere we like. It's not up to you to say where we could or could not go, I'm very sorry about it my friend.

You made your choice, you went to the easy farm. That's why people were mad Maxistoo on mid. It's not up to me to tell you how to play, but don't come here to cry about a situation your guild has a huge part of...
Don't come here to cry a river after.

So you are saying that Mid is dying because we "zerged" other REALMS with our guild groups?

:
Apart for Maxistoo who was one of the best (if not THE best) Bg leaders in Mid, I'm sure there should be a fault somewhere in your reasoning....

Wed 22 Jul 2020 1:44 PM by Noashakra

Valaraukar wrote: ↑
Wed 22 Jul 2020 12:59 PM
So you are saying that Mid is dying because we "zerged" other REALMS with our guild groups? :
Apart for Maxistoo who was one of the best (if not THE best) Bg leaders in Mid, I'm sure there should be a fault somewhere in your reasoning....

The best at flag task zerging when his zf was on fire. That's fo sure.

Wed 22 Jul 2020 2:21 PM by kratoxin

i honestly enjoy the low population on Midgard, thank you all for our bonus feathers,xp, rps

<3

Wed 22 Jul 2020 7:45 PM by Noashakra

Mid is dying!!!
https://ibb.co/JCxchVQ
And it's not even the whole zerg lots of people on the hill. I counted 5fg.
It's not dying when they do the task.

Wed 22 Jul 2020 10:05 PM by ExcretusMaximus

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Wed 22 Jul 2020 7:45 PM
Mid is dying!!!
https://ibb.co/JCxchVQ
And it's not even the whole zerg lots of people on the hill. I counted 5fg.
It's not dying when they do the task.

Okay, now go take a shot of the Alb and Hib zergs at the same time.

Anyone who goes into the frontiers at any time not on a "Blue Sunday" can see and admit that Mid is outnumbered 2:1 by each realm, 4:1 in total. Everyone, that is, but you. I wonder why that might be? Is it because you hate Midgard and want to see them continually stomped into the ground until there are only two realms left? Sure seems like it when reading your post history.

Thu 23 Jul 2020 6:10 AM by Noashakra

ExcretusMaximus wrote: ↑
Wed 22 Jul 2020 10:05 PM
Noashakra wrote: ↑
Wed 22 Jul 2020 7:45 PM
Mid is dying!!!
https://ibb.co/JCxchVQ
And it's not even the whole zerg lots of people on the hill. I counted 5fg.
It's not dying when they do the task.

Okay, now go take a shot of the Alb and Hib zergs at the same time.

Anyone who goes into the frontiers at any time not on a "Blue Sunday" can see and admit that Mid is outnumbered 2:1 by each realm, 4:1 in total. Everyone, that is, but you. I wonder why that might be? Is it because you hate Midgard and want to see them continually stomped into the ground until there are only two realms left? Sure seems like it when reading your post history.

We got rolled the same on the hib task, screenshot coming for the next time.
Mid 50 toons were more than albs yesterday in the zf, yet they didn't even try to take a tower.
Stop blaming others for your own demise.

How did midgar dominate in november/december last year? They had 2 bg leader and people went to take keeps... Nothing changed they can still do it.

Fri 24 Jul 2020 5:31 PM by tyrantanic

mattymc wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Jul 2020 10:38 PM
Sadly, there isn't a sliver of difference between here and live --- and that is sad. Same mistakes made.....oh well

The mistakes are player driven. This game can only as good as the playerbase allows it. If players are unwilling to balance the game themselves (population wise) and require intervention by the developers, then nothing will change. No amount of developer intervention is going to alter a players behavior unless they take accountability for how they play. DAoC is plagued with bystanders. More players are willing to sit in relic town or log off or swap realms waiting on someone else than those willing to take initiative. That's why penalties won't change a thing. All three realms can be competitive. All three realms can dominate. The players pick the winners here, not the developers. Maybe that's one of the mistakes you're referring to, but it's an intrinsic aspect of DAoC that has been going on for nearly 20 years.

Fri 24 Jul 2020 6:14 PM by Kwall0311

Fri 24 Jul 2020 7:46 PM by mattymc

tyrantanic wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Jul 2020 5:31 PM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Jul 2020 10:38 PM
Sadly, there isn't a sliver of difference between here and live --- and that is sad. Same mistakes made.....oh well

The mistakes are player driven. This game can only as good as the playerbase allows it. If players are unwilling to balance the game themselves (population wise) and require intervention by the developers, then nothing will change. No amount of developer intervention is going to alter a players behavior unless they take accountability for how they play. DAoC is plagued with bystanders. More players are willing to sit in relic town or log off or swap realms waiting on someone else than those willing to take initiative. That's why penalties won't change a thing. All three realms can be competitive. All three realms can dominate. The players pick the winners here, not the developers. Maybe that's one of the mistakes you're referring to, but it's an intrinsic aspect of DAoC that has been going on for nearly 20 years.

And yet the lack of game play really hasn't been an issue EXCEPT for the last few years both here and live --- wonder why that is??? Think about the changes made and the purpose of the game --- THAT has changed and THAT is directly in control of the DEVS/GM's. Clearly they gave up on live and it is the train wreck that it is -- it has been on a fast slide here to where we are at...IMO, I think it is recoverable but it's a matter if the devs want to make a game with a purpose other than just amassing RP in the easiest way possible.

Fri 24 Jul 2020 10:18 PM by tyrantanic

mattymc wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Jul 2020 7:46 PM
tyrantanic wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Jul 2020 5:31 PM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Jul 2020 10:38 PM
Sadly, there isn't a sliver of difference between here and live --- and that is sad. Same mistakes made.....oh well

The mistakes are player driven. This game can only as good as the playerbase allows it. If players are unwilling to balance the game themselves (population wise) and require intervention by the developers, then nothing will change. No amount of developer intervention is going to alter a players behavior unless they take accountability for how they play. DAoC is plagued with bystanders. More players are willing to sit in relic town or log off or swap realms waiting on someone else than those willing to take initiative. That's why penalties won't change a thing. All three realms can be competitive. All three realms can dominate. The players pick the winners here, not the developers. Maybe that's one of the mistakes you're referring to, but it's an intrinsic aspect of DAoC that has been going on for nearly 20 years.

And yet the lack of game play really hasn't been an issue EXCEPT for the last few years both here and live --- wonder why that is??? Think about the changes made and the purpose of the game --- THAT has changed and THAT is directly in control of the DEVS/GM's. Clearly they gave up on live and it is the train wreck that it is -- it has been on a fast slide here to where we are at...IMO, I think it is recoverable but it's a matter if the devs want to make a game with a purpose other than just amassing RP in the easiest way possible.

What has changed? The only purpose this game ever had was to kill players from the opposing realms. There's nothing to win in DAoC. Never was. The only objectives there are is to capture relics and open Darkness Falls. That's literally it. Maybe that's what needs to change because there sure as hell hasn't been anything done about that since 2002. I'd love to see some suggestions though as I haven't seen anything other than complaints so far.

Regarding RPs, players have been maximizing RP gain since they were introduced back in 2001. It's easier now than ever before (both here and on Live), but the best way to earn RPs hasn't changed. Bombing zergs. I'm not at all surprised that RP earning has become a focus for most players as they're directly tied to character progression. Remove that and the population tanks. What does that say about the playerbase?

Sat 25 Jul 2020 8:30 AM by Noashakra

Lots of people don't like midgard because of the snow / greyish settings. It has nothing to do with the realm power. Same with alb, it's the most populated everywhere because the knights of the tound table and arthur speak to people...

Sat 25 Jul 2020 5:50 PM by mattymc

tyrantanic wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Jul 2020 10:18 PM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Jul 2020 7:46 PM
tyrantanic wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Jul 2020 5:31 PM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Jul 2020 10:38 PM
Sadly, there isn't a sliver of difference between here and live --- and that is sad. Same mistakes made.....oh well

The mistakes are player driven. This game can only as good as the playerbase allows it. If players are unwilling to balance the game themselves (population wise) and require intervention by the developers, then nothing will change. No amount of developer intervention is going to alter a players behavior unless they take accountability for how they play. DAoC is plagued with bystanders. More players are willing to sit in relic town or log off or swap realms waiting on someone else than those willing to take initiative. That's why penalties won't change a thing. All three realms can be competitive. All three realms can dominate. The players pick the winners here, not the developers. Maybe that's one of the mistakes you're referring to, but it's an intrinsic aspect of DAoC that has been going on for nearly 20 years.

And yet the lack of game play really hasn't been an issue EXCEPT for the last few years both here and live --- wonder why that is??? Think about the changes made and the purpose of the game --- THAT has changed and THAT is directly in control of the DEVS/GM's. Clearly they gave up on live and it is the train wreck that it is -- it has been on a fast slide here to where we are at...IMO, I think it is recoverable but it's a matter if the devs want to make a game with a purpose other than just amassing RP in the easiest way possible.

What has changed? The only purpose this game ever had was to kill players from the opposing realms. There's nothing to win in DAoC. Never was. The only objectives there are is to capture relics and open Darkness Falls. That's literally it. Maybe that's what needs to change because there sure as hell hasn't been anything done about that since 2002. I'd love to see some suggestions though as I haven't seen anything other than complaints so far.

Regarding RPs, players have been maximizing RP gain since they were introduced back in 2001. It's easier now than ever before (both here and on Live), but the best way to earn RPs hasn't changed. Bombing zergs. I'm not at all surprised that RP earning has become a focus for most players as they're directly tied to character progression. Remove that and the population tanks. What does that say about the playerbase?

What has changed --- how about realm hopping, free RP's for showing up -- virtually NO scaling if you run over a single player with a 100 or 1 <exaggeration but I hope you get my point>, people making rr8 in weeks/months vs years --- TONS have changed --- there is NO value placed on actually fighting people and KNOWING your toon; PvE for RP is rampant --- what HAS changed -- your better off asking what hasn't chnaged...

Sat 25 Jul 2020 6:26 PM by gotwqqd

mattymc wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Jul 2020 5:50 PM
tyrantanic wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Jul 2020 10:18 PM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Jul 2020 7:46 PM
tyrantanic wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Jul 2020 5:31 PM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Jul 2020 10:38 PM
Sadly, there isn't a sliver of difference between here and live --- and that is sad. Same mistakes made.....oh well

The mistakes are player driven. This game can only as good as the playerbase allows it. If players are unwilling to balance the game themselves (population wise) and require intervention by the developers, then nothing will change. No amount of developer intervention is going to alter a players behavior unless they take accountability for how they play. DAoC is plagued with bystanders. More players are willing to sit in relic town or log off or swap realms waiting on someone else than those willing to take initiative. That's why penalties won't change a thing. All three realms can be competitive. All three realms can dominate. The players pick the winners here, not the developers. Maybe that's one of the mistakes you're referring to, but it's an intrinsic aspect of DAoC that has been going on for nearly 20 years.

And yet the lack of game play really hasn't been an issue EXCEPT for the last few years both here and live --- wonder why that is??? Think about the changes made and the purpose of the game --- THAT has changed and THAT is directly in control of the DEVS/GM's. Clearly they gave up on live and it is the train wreck that it is -- it has been on a fast slide here to where we are at...IMO, I think it is recoverable but it's a matter if the devs want to make a game with a purpose other than just amassing RP in the easiest way possible.

What has changed? The only purpose this game ever had was to kill players from the opposing realms. There's nothing to win in DAoC. Never was. The only objectives there are is to capture relics and open Darkness Falls. That's literally it. Maybe that's what needs to change because there sure as hell hasn't been anything done about that since 2002. I'd love to see some suggestions though as I haven't seen anything other than complaints so far.

Regarding RPs, players have been maximizing RP gain since they were introduced back in 2001. It's easier now than ever before (both here and on Live), but the best way to earn RPs hasn't changed. Bombing zergs. I'm not at all surprised that RP earning has become a focus for most players as they're directly tied to character progression. Remove that and the population tanks. What does that say about the playerbase?

What has changed --- how about realm hopping, free RP's for showing up -- virtually NO scaling if you run over a single player with a 100 or 1 <exaggeration but I hope you get my point>, people making rr8 in weeks/months vs years --- TONS have changed --- there is NO value placed on actually fighting people and KNOWING your toon; PvE for RP is rampant --- what HAS changed -- your better off asking what hasn't chnaged...

Don’t be naive
If these lower level characters or marginal players don’t see some meaningful progression through RR you don’t have a game to play

Sat 25 Jul 2020 9:30 PM by tyrantanic

mattymc wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Jul 2020 5:50 PM
tyrantanic wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Jul 2020 10:18 PM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Jul 2020 7:46 PM
tyrantanic wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Jul 2020 5:31 PM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Jul 2020 10:38 PM
Sadly, there isn't a sliver of difference between here and live --- and that is sad. Same mistakes made.....oh well

The mistakes are player driven. This game can only as good as the playerbase allows it. If players are unwilling to balance the game themselves (population wise) and require intervention by the developers, then nothing will change. No amount of developer intervention is going to alter a players behavior unless they take accountability for how they play. DAoC is plagued with bystanders. More players are willing to sit in relic town or log off or swap realms waiting on someone else than those willing to take initiative. That's why penalties won't change a thing. All three realms can be competitive. All three realms can dominate. The players pick the winners here, not the developers. Maybe that's one of the mistakes you're referring to, but it's an intrinsic aspect of DAoC that has been going on for nearly 20 years.

And yet the lack of game play really hasn't been an issue EXCEPT for the last few years both here and live --- wonder why that is??? Think about the changes made and the purpose of the game --- THAT has changed and THAT is directly in control of the DEVS/GM's. Clearly they gave up on live and it is the train wreck that it is -- it has been on a fast slide here to where we are at...IMO, I think it is recoverable but it's a matter if the devs want to make a game with a purpose other than just amassing RP in the easiest way possible.

What has changed? The only purpose this game ever had was to kill players from the opposing realms. There's nothing to win in DAoC. Never was. The only objectives there are is to capture relics and open Darkness Falls. That's literally it. Maybe that's what needs to change because there sure as hell hasn't been anything done about that since 2002. I'd love to see some suggestions though as I haven't seen anything other than complaints so far.

Regarding RPs, players have been maximizing RP gain since they were introduced back in 2001. It's easier now than ever before (both here and on Live), but the best way to earn RPs hasn't changed. Bombing zergs. I'm not at all surprised that RP earning has become a focus for most players as they're directly tied to character progression. Remove that and the population tanks. What does that say about the playerbase?

What has changed --- how about realm hopping, free RP's for showing up -- virtually NO scaling if you run over a single player with a 100 or 1 <exaggeration but I hope you get my point>, people making rr8 in weeks/months vs years --- TONS have changed --- there is NO value placed on actually fighting people and KNOWING your toon; PvE for RP is rampant --- what HAS changed -- your better off asking what hasn't chnaged...

Realm hopping was always an issue. Players just don't have to pay for it anymore. RPs absolutely scale. You don't make many RPs in a zerg unless you kill a lot of players. More RPs are still awarded to those who kill more players with less. This is where KNOWING your class is valued. The reality is those who know their class generally don't participate in zergs outside of bombing them simply because it gets stale. I agree with the PvE for RPs statement, specifically for awarding RPs for undefended keeps/towers. The current Live system is better in this regard, imo. However, I don't see how gaining RR quickly is bad for the game. It narrows the RR gap allowing for a relatively even playing field. This is aided by the task system reducing RPs awarded every RR. Of course those who play more will earn more but that's unavoidable unless you cap RP earnings on a time basis.

All I'm gathering from your rantings is that the developers are to blame for decisions that the playerbase makes. I'm still waiting to see suggestions to remedy the perceived issue.

Sat 25 Jul 2020 11:52 PM by mattymc

gotwqqd wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Jul 2020 6:26 PM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Jul 2020 5:50 PM
tyrantanic wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Jul 2020 10:18 PM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Jul 2020 7:46 PM
tyrantanic wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Jul 2020 5:31 PM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Jul 2020 10:38 PM
Sadly, there isn't a sliver of difference between here and live --- and that is sad. Same mistakes made.....oh well

The mistakes are player driven. This game can only as good as the playerbase allows it. If players are unwilling to balance the game themselves (population wise) and require intervention by the developers, then nothing will change. No amount of developer intervention is going to alter a players behavior unless they take accountability for how they play. DAoC is plagued with bystanders. More players are willing to sit in relic town or log off or swap realms waiting on someone else than those willing to take initiative. That's why penalties won't change a thing. All three realms can be competitive. All three realms can dominate. The players pick the winners here, not the developers. Maybe that's one of the mistakes you're referring to, but it's an intrinsic aspect of DAoC that has been going on for nearly 20 years.

And yet the lack of game play really hasn't been an issue EXCEPT for the last few years both here and live --- wonder why that is??? Think about the changes made and the purpose of the game --- THAT has changed and THAT is directly in control of the DEVS/GM's. Clearly they gave up on live and it is the train wreck that it is -- it has been on a fast slide here to where we are at...IMO, I think it is recoverable but it's a matter if the devs want to make a game with a purpose other than just amassing RP in the easiest way possible.

What has changed? The only purpose this game ever had was to kill players from the opposing realms. There's nothing to win in DAoC. Never was. The only objectives there are is to capture relics and open Darkness Falls. That's literally it. Maybe that's what needs to change because there sure as hell hasn't been anything done about that since 2002. I'd love to see some suggestions though as I haven't seen anything other than complaints so far.

Regarding RPs, players have been maximizing RP gain since they were introduced back in 2001. It's easier now than ever before (both here and on Live), but the best way to earn RPs hasn't changed. Bombing zergs. I'm not at all surprised that RP earning has become a focus for most players as they're directly tied to character progression. Remove that and the population tanks. What does that say about the playerbase?

What has changed --- how about realm hopping, free RP's for showing up -- virtually NO scaling if you run over a single player with a 100 or 1 <exaggeration but I hope you get my point>, people making rr8 in weeks/months vs years --- TONS have changed --- there is NO value placed on actually fighting people and KNOWING your toon; PvE for RP is rampant --- what HAS changed -- your better off asking what hasn't chnaged...
Don’t be naive
If these lower level characters or marginal players don’t see some meaningful progression through RR you don’t have a game to play

Dont be foolish -- It DOESN'T have to be either or

Sat 25 Jul 2020 11:59 PM by mattymc

tyrantanic wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Jul 2020 9:30 PM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Jul 2020 5:50 PM
tyrantanic wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Jul 2020 10:18 PM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Jul 2020 7:46 PM
tyrantanic wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Jul 2020 5:31 PM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Jul 2020 10:38 PM
Sadly, there isn't a sliver of difference between here and live --- and that is sad. Same mistakes made.....oh well

The mistakes are player driven. This game can only as good as the playerbase allows it. If players are unwilling to balance the game themselves (population wise) and require intervention by the developers, then nothing will change. No amount of developer intervention is going to alter a players behavior unless they take accountability for how they play. DAoC is plagued with bystanders. More players are willing to sit in relic town or log off or swap realms waiting on someone else than those willing to take initiative. That's why penalties won't change a thing. All three realms can be competitive. All three realms can dominate. The players pick the winners here, not the developers. Maybe that's one of the mistakes you're referring to, but it's an intrinsic aspect of DAoC that has been going on for nearly 20 years.

And yet the lack of game play really hasn't been an issue EXCEPT for the last few years both here and live --- wonder why that is??? Think about the changes made and the purpose of the game --- THAT has changed and THAT is directly in control of the DEVS/GM's. Clearly they gave up on live and it is the train wreck that it is -- it has been on a fast slide here to where we are at...IMO, I think it is recoverable but it's a matter if the devs want to make a game with a purpose other than just amassing RP in the easiest way possible.

What has changed? The only purpose this game ever had was to kill players from the opposing realms. There's nothing to win in DAoC. Never was. The only objectives there are is to capture relics and open Darkness Falls. That's literally it. Maybe that's what needs to change because there sure as hell hasn't been anything done about that since 2002. I'd love to see some suggestions though as I haven't seen anything other than complaints so far.

Regarding RPs, players have been maximizing RP gain since they were introduced back in 2001. It's easier now than ever before (both here and on Live), but the best way to earn RPs hasn't changed. Bombing zergs. I'm not at all surprised that RP earning has become a focus for most players as they're directly tied to character progression. Remove that and the population tanks. What does that say about the playerbase?

What has changed --- how about realm hopping, free RP's for showing up -- virtually NO scaling if you run over a single player with a 100 or 1 <exaggeration but I hope you get my point>, people making rr8 in weeks/months vs years --- TONS have changed --- there is NO value placed on actually fighting people and KNOWING your toon; PvE for RP is rampant --- what HAS changed -- your better off asking what hasn't chnaged...

Realm hopping was always an issue. Players just don't have to pay for it anymore. RPs absolutely scale. You don't make many RPs in a zerg unless you kill a lot of players. More RPs are still awarded to those who kill more players with less. This is where KNOWING your class is valued. The reality is those who know their class generally don't participate in zergs outside of bombing them simply because it gets stale. I agree with the PvE for RPs statement, specifically for awarding RPs for undefended keeps/towers. The current Live system is better in this regard, imo. However, I don't see how gaining RR quickly is bad for the game. It narrows the RR gap allowing for a relatively even playing field. This is aided by the task system reducing RPs awarded every RR. Of course those who play more will earn more but that's unavoidable unless you cap RP earnings on a time basis.

All I'm gathering from your rantings is that the developers are to blame for decisions that the playerbase makes. I'm still waiting to see suggestions to remedy the perceived issue.

All I am gathering is you simply don't care which is perfectly fine -- but realm hopping hasn't always been an issue, RP's really DON'T meaningfully scale; if they did it WOULDN'T be to ones benefit to simply zerg empty keeps, etc --- also it WOULD be beneficial to all players to achieve a numbers balance -- but it isn't, now, is it??? LIVE is so broken it's not even funny, as much for crappy decisions and indecision as anything else --- for me, I am looking for the game and some actual competition for all .. not what its devolved into; rather rapidly I may add.

BTW, anything that is easy or free acquires that value, which is to say it no longer has value. Making RP's the only reward in the game and then making those rewards in effect worthless kind of destroys the game.

Sun 26 Jul 2020 3:21 AM by tyrantanic

mattymc wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Jul 2020 11:59 PM
tyrantanic wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Jul 2020 9:30 PM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Sat 25 Jul 2020 5:50 PM
tyrantanic wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Jul 2020 10:18 PM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Jul 2020 7:46 PM
tyrantanic wrote: ↑
Fri 24 Jul 2020 5:31 PM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Sun 19 Jul 2020 10:38 PM
Sadly, there isn't a sliver of difference between here and live --- and that is sad. Same mistakes made.....oh well

The mistakes are player driven. This game can only as good as the playerbase allows it. If players are unwilling to balance the game themselves (population wise) and require intervention by the developers, then nothing will change. No amount of developer intervention is going to alter a players behavior unless they take accountability for how they play. DAoC is plagued with bystanders. More players are willing to sit in relic town or log off or swap realms waiting on someone else than those willing to take initiative. That's why penalties won't change a thing. All three realms can be competitive. All three realms can dominate. The players pick the winners here, not the developers. Maybe that's one of the mistakes you're referring to, but it's an intrinsic aspect of DAoC that has been going on for nearly 20 years.

And yet the lack of game play really hasn't been an issue EXCEPT for the last few years both here and live --- wonder why that is??? Think about the changes made and the purpose of the game --- THAT has changed and THAT is directly in control of the DEVS/GM's. Clearly they gave up on live and it is the train wreck that it is -- it has been on a fast slide here to where we are at...IMO, I think it is recoverable but it's a matter if the devs want to make a game with a purpose other than just amassing RP in the easiest way possible.

What has changed? The only purpose this game ever had was to kill players from the opposing realms. There's nothing to win in DAoC. Never was. The only objectives there are is to capture relics and open Darkness Falls. That's literally it. Maybe that's what needs to change because there sure as hell hasn't been anything done about that since 2002. I'd love to see some suggestions though as I haven't seen anything other than complaints so far.

Regarding RPs, players have been maximizing RP gain since they were introduced back in 2001. It's easier now than ever before (both here and on Live), but the best way to earn RPs hasn't changed. Bombing zergs. I'm not at all surprised that RP earning has become a focus for most players as they're directly tied to character progression. Remove that and the population tanks. What does that say about the playerbase?

What has changed --- how about realm hopping, free RP's for showing up -- virtually NO scaling if you run over a single player with a 100 or 1 <exaggeration but I hope you get my point>, people making rr8 in weeks/months vs years --- TONS have changed --- there is NO value placed on actually fighting people and KNOWING your toon; PvE for RP is rampant --- what HAS changed -- your better off asking what hasn't chnaged...

Realm hopping was always an issue. Players just don't have to pay for it anymore. RPs absolutely scale. You don't make many RPs in a zerg unless you kill a lot of players. More RPs are still awarded to those who kill more players with less. This is where KNOWING your class is valued. The reality is those who know their class generally don't participate in zergs outside of bombing them simply because it gets stale. I agree with the PvE for RPs statement, specifically for awarding RPs for undefended keeps/towers. The current Live system is better in this regard, imo. However, I don't see how gaining RR quickly is bad for the game. It narrows the RR gap allowing for a relatively even playing field. This is aided by the task system reducing RPs awarded every RR. Of course those who play more will earn more but that's unavoidable unless you cap RP earnings on a time basis.

All I'm gathering from your rantings is that the developers are to blame for decisions that the playerbase makes. I'm still waiting to see suggestions to remedy the perceived issue.

All I am gathering is you simply don't care which is perfectly fine -- but realm hopping hasn't always been an issue, RP's really DON'T meaningfully scale; if they did it WOULDN'T be to ones benefit to simply zerg empty keeps, etc --- also it WOULD be beneficial to all players to achieve a numbers balance -- but it isn't, now, is it??? LIVE is so broken it's not even funny, as much for crappy decisions and indecision as anything else --- for me, I am looking for the game and some actual competition for all .. not what its devolved into; rather rapidly I may add.

BTW, anything that is easy or free acquires that value, which is to say it no longer has value. Making RP's the only reward in the game and then making those rewards in effect worthless kind of destroys the game.

I think you fail to realize how few players care for competition on a realm wide scale. Hence why it's commonly a numbers game rather than anything that involves strategy or coordination in terms of zerg fights. That's a playerbase problem which is my point. Lots of casual players that only log in for an hour or two a night or a week to de-stress. These players aren't looking for a good fight, they're looking for a good time with minimal effort. Competitive gameplay is primarily 8v8 which is still decent on Phoenix as it's virtually non-existent anywhere else. Other playstyles can be competitive but makeup a small fraction of the playerbase (see the PvP zone for instance). This is the state of the game as a whole. You want better players. Developers can't make players better. What they can do is try to attract competitive players, but that is a tall order for a 20 year old game without a large monetary investment at a time when the MMORPG market is saturated.

If earning RPs "quickly" destroys the game, then why the hell are people still playing it after 20 years? Maybe it's time to introduce additional objectives to the game. I'm still waiting to see some suggestions.

Mon 27 Jul 2020 11:29 AM by Valaraukar

You are all going quite off-topic it seems...

the issue of this topic is the Midgard condition in the last 3 months. Now you can say that all Mids player are the worst, and maybe it's so, but the fact is that population dwindled in Mid and increased in Alb and Hib because of the classes settings, because those realms have easier PvE farming and easier PvP zerging. For sure there is also a leadership issue in Midgard, but I'm quite sure that if the classes were more balanced between the realms, especially the "zerg" classes, many more Mids would join a BG or even lead one.
But when you already know that if you try to get a keep you will have to counter tons of shrooms, pets, aoe cast, gtaoe cast, necro bugs, twf and all sort of AoE crap when your best classes are SINGLE MELEE DPS, well one may think to have better things to do...
And if one wants to play Daoc just to relax (the plain majority of players, not the hardcore ones of course) seems legit that rolling on Alb or Hib rather than Mid would be a good idea. So this is the root cause for the population imbalance on Phoenix, nothing else.

We're not talking about 8vs8 "competitive" game here, which is anyway struck by this situation too, because fighting with no relic bonuses at all has its impact on the 8men group as well as on the zerg.
And we are not talking about tasks too, though it is funny to read someone whining about being rolled on by many enemies in an "open field tasks" system, so strange uh?

Mon 27 Jul 2020 8:05 PM by Noashakra

Mid is dying!!!
https://ibb.co/Z6YBw21
Not when the flag is near though

Mon 27 Jul 2020 9:07 PM by mattymc

Valaraukar wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Jul 2020 11:29 AM
You are all going quite off-topic it seems...

the issue of this topic is the Midgard condition in the last 3 months. Now you can say that all Mids player are the worst, and maybe it's so, but the fact is that population dwindled in Mid and increased in Alb and Hib because of the classes settings, because those realms have easier PvE farming and easier PvP zerging. For sure there is also a leadership issue in Midgard, but I'm quite sure that if the classes were more balanced between the realms, especially the "zerg" classes, many more Mids would join a BG or even lead one.
But when you already know that if you try to get a keep you will have to counter tons of shrooms, pets, aoe cast, gtaoe cast, necro bugs, twf and all sort of AoE crap when your best classes are SINGLE MELEE DPS, well one may think to have better things to do...
And if one wants to play Daoc just to relax (the plain majority of players, not the hardcore ones of course) seems legit that rolling on Alb or Hib rather than Mid would be a good idea. So this is the root cause for the population imbalance on Phoenix, nothing else.

We're not talking about 8vs8 "competitive" game here, which is anyway struck by this situation too, because fighting with no relic bonuses at all has its impact on the 8men group as well as on the zerg.
And we are not talking about tasks too, though it is funny to read someone whining about being rolled on by many enemies in an "open field tasks" system, so strange uh?

No -- Mid is dieing is just a symptom of the larger problem we discussed which that the game isn't a game anymore. Mid can compete, the DEVS have made some hugely poor decisions in regards to MID in the beginning <too many nerfs that were not balanced across the realms> but even today MID can compete IF players bothered to learn their toons and play what is required to win. There simply in no GAME, no strategy to win RP and hold territory, it IS simply easiier just to mindlessly zerg as a HIb or an ALB and be handed rewards regardless of choices made... again, something that is eminently fixable by the DEVS. I simply don't share others views that people will run away if the game isnt simple and mindless as it is currently -- perhaps I have too much faith in people <read players>.

Mon 27 Jul 2020 9:11 PM by Gildar

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Jul 2020 8:05 PM
Mid is dying!!!
https://ibb.co/Z6YBw21
Not when the flag is near though

LOL...

You win

I run with Gilboom BG ... we have never seen so many Mids together. And NO we are not 100 ... our BG is usually not more than 3 fg ... only in rare moments we took 30 ppl follow BG. But we fight on.

Every time i log i do an /u and i see that mid numbers are really near to other realm (today 68 alb 59 Mids and 76 Hibs in fz).

So where are all that Mids ? The screen in quote is the answer. All playing little flag game

Take that zerg to tower / keep and fight ... no more lies and no more excuses ...Mid is not dying .... Mid players choose to fight only vs small and solo at flags ... easy RP mode ahahahah

Mon 27 Jul 2020 9:40 PM by Gildar

mattymc wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Jul 2020 9:07 PM
Valaraukar wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Jul 2020 11:29 AM
You are all going quite off-topic it seems...

the issue of this topic is the Midgard condition in the last 3 months. Now you can say that all Mids player are the worst, and maybe it's so, but the fact is that population dwindled in Mid and increased in Alb and Hib because of the classes settings, because those realms have easier PvE farming and easier PvP zerging. For sure there is also a leadership issue in Midgard, but I'm quite sure that if the classes were more balanced between the realms, especially the "zerg" classes, many more Mids would join a BG or even lead one.
But when you already know that if you try to get a keep you will have to counter tons of shrooms, pets, aoe cast, gtaoe cast, necro bugs, twf and all sort of AoE crap when your best classes are SINGLE MELEE DPS, well one may think to have better things to do...
And if one wants to play Daoc just to relax (the plain majority of players, not the hardcore ones of course) seems legit that rolling on Alb or Hib rather than Mid would be a good idea. So this is the root cause for the population imbalance on Phoenix, nothing else.

We're not talking about 8vs8 "competitive" game here, which is anyway struck by this situation too, because fighting with no relic bonuses at all has its impact on the 8men group as well as on the zerg.
And we are not talking about tasks too, though it is funny to read someone whining about being rolled on by many enemies in an "open field tasks" system, so strange uh?

No -- Mid is dieing is just a symptom of the larger problem we discussed which that the game isn't a game anymore. Mid can compete, the DEVS have made some hugely poor decisions in regards to MID in the beginning <too many nerfs that were not balanced across the realms> but even today MID can compete IF players bothered to learn their toons and play what is required to win. There simply in no GAME, no strategy to win RP and hold territory, it IS simply easiier just to mindlessly zerg as a HIb or an ALB and be handed rewards regardless of choices made... again, something that is eminently fixable by the DEVS. I simply don't share others views that people will run away if the game isnt simple and mindless as it is currently -- perhaps I have too much faith in people <read players>.

Maybe you are right but ... not at all.

Ppl have to learn toon they play? YES
But zerg is NOT mindless ... again ... i run with Gilboom BG and our leader is smart and any move is pondered ... there is a reason for any choice ... it's a chess playstyle i love.

Today we open port in berk and after knock at beno doors ... we awake albzerg (no albs around before) and so we have more than 10 clashes 25 Hibs vs 35 albs.
Fun and Rps for everyone ... And any inc was well prepared ... we choose the loc, the terrain and the path for best inc ... and u talk about "mindless zerg " ??? LOL
I play this game from 2002 ... I played solo, small, 8v8 and zerg ... i try all playstyles... at the end after 9 years of 8men i find that the REAL daoc is massive clashes ...

Anyway all can play as he want ... but pls stop claiming 8men is for good players and the real rvr ... in 9 years of 8men i Lean that 8mens are good only because they play many more hours than others and gain RA others cant have.
I know many "casual" or "zergers" that play batter than pro 8men ... without all that RA and stuff they do really well...

Mon 27 Jul 2020 10:05 PM by tyrantanic

Gildar wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Jul 2020 9:40 PM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Jul 2020 9:07 PM
Valaraukar wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Jul 2020 11:29 AM
You are all going quite off-topic it seems...

the issue of this topic is the Midgard condition in the last 3 months. Now you can say that all Mids player are the worst, and maybe it's so, but the fact is that population dwindled in Mid and increased in Alb and Hib because of the classes settings, because those realms have easier PvE farming and easier PvP zerging. For sure there is also a leadership issue in Midgard, but I'm quite sure that if the classes were more balanced between the realms, especially the "zerg" classes, many more Mids would join a BG or even lead one.
But when you already know that if you try to get a keep you will have to counter tons of shrooms, pets, aoe cast, gtaoe cast, necro bugs, twf and all sort of AoE crap when your best classes are SINGLE MELEE DPS, well one may think to have better things to do...
And if one wants to play Daoc just to relax (the plain majority of players, not the hardcore ones of course) seems legit that rolling on Alb or Hib rather than Mid would be a good idea. So this is the root cause for the population imbalance on Phoenix, nothing else.

We're not talking about 8vs8 "competitive" game here, which is anyway struck by this situation too, because fighting with no relic bonuses at all has its impact on the 8men group as well as on the zerg.
And we are not talking about tasks too, though it is funny to read someone whining about being rolled on by many enemies in an "open field tasks" system, so strange uh?

No -- Mid is dieing is just a symptom of the larger problem we discussed which that the game isn't a game anymore. Mid can compete, the DEVS have made some hugely poor decisions in regards to MID in the beginning <too many nerfs that were not balanced across the realms> but even today MID can compete IF players bothered to learn their toons and play what is required to win. There simply in no GAME, no strategy to win RP and hold territory, it IS simply easiier just to mindlessly zerg as a HIb or an ALB and be handed rewards regardless of choices made... again, something that is eminently fixable by the DEVS. I simply don't share others views that people will run away if the game isnt simple and mindless as it is currently -- perhaps I have too much faith in people <read players>.

Maybe you are right but ... not at all.

Ppl have to learn toon they play? YES
But zerg is NOT mindless ... again ... i run with Gilboom BG and our leader is smart and any move is pondered ... there is a reason for any choice ... it's a chess playstyle i love.

Today we open port in berk and after knock at beno doors ... we awake albzerg (no albs around before) and so we have more than 10 clashes 25 Hibs vs 35 albs.
Fun and Rps for everyone ... And any inc was well prepared ... we choose the loc, the terrain and the path for best inc ... and u talk about "mindless zerg " ??? LOL
I play this game from 2002 ... I played solo, small, 8v8 and zerg ... i try all playstyles... at the end after 9 years of 8men i find that the REAL daoc is massive clashes ...

Anyway all can play as he want ... but pls stop claiming 8men is for good players and the real rvr ... in 9 years of 8men i Lean that 8mens are good only because they play many more hours than others and gain RA others cant have.
I know many "casual" or "zergers" that play batter than pro 8men ... without all that RA and stuff they do really well...

Sadly, not all BG leaders take this approach which could remedy a lot of perceived issues. An effective BG leader goes a long way even when they're leading a bunch of casual players. This is why I default to saying there is a lack of leadership when any realm has low population. Unsurprisingly, this is almost always true regardless of time zone. NA prime time has had several population shifts over the course of this thread, all tied to where the BG leaders are. Nonetheless, a bad BG leader can dissuade players from that realm so it definitely can go both ways.

Regarding Mid having less effective classes than Alb or Hib...I personally love playing my BD over Necro or Animist in BG fights. Having AoE DoT (albeit low delve), TWF, and NM on one class is loads of fun. Shrooms are a non-issue since the LOS nerf and the most recent PBAOE adjustment made Verdant Animists less fun to play in RvR. Every realm gets GTAOE so I'm not sure why that's an argument against Mid. Granted, GTAOE is primarily effective (or a pain) when there's lots of players using it. Mid melee is strong in large part due to celerity. However, SMs and RMs are also strong classes especially in a cold debuff train. Mid has just as good AoE as Hib or Alb and in fact has the best setup for bombing large numbers due to AoE stun + ST. So I don't understand why Mid is viewed so poorly even among themselves. The classes here are very balanced with respect to their Live counterparts.

Mon 27 Jul 2020 10:08 PM by Gildar

Valaraukar wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Jul 2020 11:29 AM
You are all going quite off-topic it seems...

the issue of this topic is the Midgard condition in the last 3 months. Now you can say that all Mids player are the worst, and maybe it's so, but the fact is that population dwindled in Mid and increased in Alb and Hib because of the classes settings, because those realms have easier PvE farming and easier PvP zerging. For sure there is also a leadership issue in Midgard, but I'm quite sure that if the classes were more balanced between the realms, especially the "zerg" classes, many more Mids would join a BG or even lead one.
But when you already know that if you try to get a keep you will have to counter tons of shrooms, pets, aoe cast, gtaoe cast, necro bugs, twf and all sort of AoE crap when your best classes are SINGLE MELEE DPS, well one may think to have better things to do...
And if one wants to play Daoc just to relax (the plain majority of players, not the hardcore ones of course) seems legit that rolling on Alb or Hib rather than Mid would be a good idea. So this is the root cause for the population imbalance on Phoenix, nothing else.

We're not talking about 8vs8 "competitive" game here, which is anyway struck by this situation too, because fighting with no relic bonuses at all has its impact on the 8men group as well as on the zerg.
And we are not talking about tasks too, though it is funny to read someone whining about being rolled on by many enemies in an "open field tasks" system, so strange uh?

Ciao Finrod,
sorry but I don't agree.

imho Mid has some problems, which however do not concern class balancing.
the first is leadership: Polemo came 2 times to Mid to lead the BG ... and 2 times he was banned for the flame in BG chat. Polemo drives the zerg alb of +130 pg for months ... but he can't drive 40 Mid.
same thing Fernando or Ffejani (ex hib bg leaders both).
Wiith Ffejani Bg I took 2 relic lol.

The second issue is the group setup.
Mid has very strong melee ... and no one exp casters ... but Mid has casters aoe gtaoe dd aoe like all realms, only on Mid nobody does them because they don't find group

Maybe it's better to review and rethink your setups and not just look at zerks and savages.

The truth is that mid has numbers but prefers to play flags ... and you Dark Templars are the first example: I met you 2 full stick groups playing with flags.

And I know Maxistoo well (ignaz) ... about 20 years ago I was in ally with his guild on the vortigern server (he was Troubledig - XxX guild on Hib) ... and he is certainly an excellent player, very good ... but he is certainly not a leader ..
In fact, even on vortigern the Hib zerg was guided by .... Gilboom (with another nick).

a greeting from an enemy ... Ma Anche No

Tue 28 Jul 2020 6:22 AM by Valaraukar

Gildar wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Jul 2020 10:08 PM
Valaraukar wrote: ↑
Mon 27 Jul 2020 11:29 AM
You are all going quite off-topic it seems...

the issue of this topic is the Midgard condition in the last 3 months. Now you can say that all Mids player are the worst, and maybe it's so, but the fact is that population dwindled in Mid and increased in Alb and Hib because of the classes settings, because those realms have easier PvE farming and easier PvP zerging. For sure there is also a leadership issue in Midgard, but I'm quite sure that if the classes were more balanced between the realms, especially the "zerg" classes, many more Mids would join a BG or even lead one.
But when you already know that if you try to get a keep you will have to counter tons of shrooms, pets, aoe cast, gtaoe cast, necro bugs, twf and all sort of AoE crap when your best classes are SINGLE MELEE DPS, well one may think to have better things to do...
And if one wants to play Daoc just to relax (the plain majority of players, not the hardcore ones of course) seems legit that rolling on Alb or Hib rather than Mid would be a good idea. So this is the root cause for the population imbalance on Phoenix, nothing else.

We're not talking about 8vs8 "competitive" game here, which is anyway struck by this situation too, because fighting with no relic bonuses at all has its impact on the 8men group as well as on the zerg.
And we are not talking about tasks too, though it is funny to read someone whining about being rolled on by many enemies in an "open field tasks" system, so strange uh?

Ciao Finrod,
sorry but I don't agree.

imho Mid has some problems, which however do not concern class balancing.
the first is leadership: Polemo came 2 times to Mid to lead the BG ... and 2 times he was banned for the flame in BG chat. Polemo drives the zerg alb of +130 pg for months ... but he can't drive 40 Mid.
same thing Fernando or Ffejani (ex hib bg leaders both).
Wiith Ffejani Bg I took 2 relic lol.

The second issue is the group setup.
Mid has very strong melee ... and no one exp casters ... but Mid has casters aoe gtaoe dd aoe like all realms, only on Mid nobody does them because they don't find group
Maybe it's better to review and rethink your setups and not just look at zerks and savages.

The truth is that mid has numbers but prefers to play flags ... and you Dark Templars are the first example: I met you 2 full stick groups playing with flags.

And I know Maxistoo well (ignaz) ... about 20 years ago I was in ally with his guild on the vortigern server (he was Troubledig - XxX guild on Hib) ... and he is certainly an excellent player, very good ... but he is certainly not a leader ..
In fact, even on vortigern the Hib zerg was guided by .... Gilboom (with another nick).

a greeting from an enemy ... Ma Anche No

Ciao!
Maybe Mid casters are not grouped because they are not so effective? And maybe Mid prefers to avoid zerg fight because of it? Yes we often ran 2 fg before the summer break, but they were not made for zerging. You can tell what you want but it is a fact that Albs and Hibs have better classes regarding keep fight, and zerging here is 90% keep fight since neither Polemo nor Pilz want to fight in open field, just because the keep fight is much easier for Alb and Hib. I'm not making any accusation, mind it, I would do the same because they rightfully focus on their realm strenghts, which are not the open field combat.

About BG leads... it's a difficult argument I know, and for sure there is a leadership issue in Mid, I've admitted it before. But you are wrong about DT lead and behaviour: Mid took at least 4 relics in the past months with DT lead Bgs, and DT BG leader IS Maxistoo. That's all. I don't want to make comparisons between BG leaders, I just want to say that we took our part many times, with some good results when possibile.
Anyway the numbers tell the truth. Mid is constantly underpopulated and the situation is getting worse day by day. And it seems that no one wants to take care about it. So be it, enjoy playng a 2 realms war or enjoy the "proh" 8vs8 game, but it's not Daoc anymore

Tue 28 Jul 2020 7:24 AM by Noashakra

Mid can control the towers with 2 tanks which can climb the walls.
Do you think eld void is a class that can usually group in 8vs8? And wizards?
The fact that the mid mages are a bit less effective is a non issue in a BG (and the BD with maelstom and TWF... We can argue about that). Most people would be happy to run a class that can AE in a bg, because it means a lot of rps.

Yesterday, Mids made a good job on alb. Lots on fun fights. And they weren't the biggest mass, despite have yesterday the most lvl50 in ZF. Don't tell us it's impossible to do.

Maxistoo "the best bg leader" is ridiculous and many times splited the mid population to zerg flags and is part of the mid decline. You denying this fact is not going to change the reality.

Tue 28 Jul 2020 7:45 AM by Valaraukar

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Tue 28 Jul 2020 7:24 AM
Mid can control the towers with 2 tanks which can climb the walls.
Do you think eld void is a class that can usually group in 8vs8? And wizards?
The fact that the mid mages are a bit less effective is a non issue in a BG (and the BD with maelstom and TWF... We can argue about that). Most people would be happy to run a class that can AE in a bg, because it means a lot of rps.

Yesterday, Mids made a good job on alb. Lots on fun fights. And they weren't the biggest mass, despite have yesterday the most lvl50 in ZF. Don't tell us it's impossible to do.

Maxistoo "the best bg leader" is ridiculous and many times splited the mid population to zerg flags and is part of the mid decline. You denying this fact is not going to change the reality.

You don't even know what is reality

you talk about single days, "they made a good job yesterday", "they zerged us at flags the other day", "they did this 2 weeks ago"... you don't even understand what's going on. So please don't interrupt people who are trying to make a discussion with your wasted words. You really have no idea of what's going on in Mid so please do a favor to us and to yourself and just shut up, just enjoy your relic bonus and use it to kill expers.

Tue 28 Jul 2020 2:59 PM by Noashakra

And you stop crying for a situation your guild created. Dark Templar enjoyed the flag rp farming and now you come here asking the GM to fix everything from you.
QQ

Tue 28 Jul 2020 3:48 PM by ExcretusMaximus

Valaraukar wrote: ↑
Tue 28 Jul 2020 6:22 AM
Maybe Mid casters are not grouped because they are not so effective?

Mid casters are fine.

They're not grouped because tanks are easier to keep alive and even after 20 years people think of Midgard as the "tank realm" for some stupid reason (I think it's celerity). Our casters are just as strong as Hibernia's, but nowhere near as strong as Albion's; but that's because Albion casters are overloaded with skills and pets and absolutely broken.

Tue 28 Jul 2020 6:09 PM by Zod7120

Disheartening when thats the simple truth of it. Exodus to Alb to compete against Hib and just leave Mid. Underpopulation bonuses only to see 50% of the top RP earning players are hib. Seems like melee drop as fast as a caster anyway.

Wed 29 Jul 2020 12:29 AM by Gildar

ExcretusMaximus wrote: ↑
Tue 28 Jul 2020 3:48 PM
Valaraukar wrote: ↑
Tue 28 Jul 2020 6:22 AM
Maybe Mid casters are not grouped because they are not so effective?

Mid casters are fine.

They're not grouped because tanks are easier to keep alive and even after 20 years people think of Midgard as the "tank realm" for some stupid reason (I think it's celerity). Our casters are just as strong as Hibernia's, but nowhere near as strong as Albion's; but that's because Albion casters are overloaded with skills and pets and absolutely broken.

Finrod i quote a Mid Player so u cant tell that i dont know mid.

Mid casters are good like Hib casters ... only alb had an insane boost of his casters.
You talk about things you dont know when you write about Hib casters... try exp an eld void in hib and see what a pain is ... try find grp as an eld void in RvR... 8men call you useless and also in bg you have some problem finding grp.

Ì know well Mid casters ... i play mid on usa server years ago ... cold debuff train is awesome ... BD have aoe dot like mentalist but ALSO lifetap, twf and maelstrom, runies are really effective like voidelds ... in the end mid dont have good BG grps setup simply because in your realm exp casters is nearly impossible ... but that is a fault of mid himself ...
And ofc without a good BG leader nothing happens in rvr ....
Why, for example, DT have grp set NOT for BG ?
Only little flag game made by childrens ?

The situation in mid is direct consequence of YOUR realm mistakes .... Dont blame others for that.

Step up and Call Mid fighters to war ... rally BG, exp casters, take keep .... And change things.

Our guild Ma Anche No do the same .... Smap and Gilboom stepped up and rally BG day by day ... And now they are between the best BG leaders of this server. Try join Gilboom BG for example and you'll see how wrong are your thoughts about hib and our leaders ... maybe you Will learn some thing also

But maybe too easy do some RP Killing small and solo at flags .... but if you hold on to do so, dont come after crying about Mid dying

Wed 29 Jul 2020 5:58 AM by Valaraukar

Gildar wrote: ↑
Wed 29 Jul 2020 12:29 AM
ExcretusMaximus wrote: ↑
Tue 28 Jul 2020 3:48 PM
Valaraukar wrote: ↑
Tue 28 Jul 2020 6:22 AM
Maybe Mid casters are not grouped because they are not so effective?

Mid casters are fine.

They're not grouped because tanks are easier to keep alive and even after 20 years people think of Midgard as the "tank realm" for some stupid reason (I think it's celerity). Our casters are just as strong as Hibernia's, but nowhere near as strong as Albion's; but that's because Albion casters are overloaded with skills and pets and absolutely broken.

Finrod i quote a Mid Player so u cant tell that i dont know mid.

Mid casters are good like Hib casters ... only alb had an insane boost of his casters.
You talk about things you dont know when you write about Hib casters... try exp an eld void in hib and see what a pain is ... try find grp as an eld void in RvR... 8men call you useless and also in bg you have some problem finding grp.

Ì know well Mid casters ... i play mid on usa server years ago ... cold debuff train is awesome ... BD have aoe dot like mentalist but ALSO lifetap, twf and maelstrom, runies are really effective like voidelds ... in the end mid dont have good BG grps setup simply because in your realm exp casters is nearly impossible ... but that is a fault of mid himself ...
And ofc without a good BG leader nothing happens in rvr ....
Why, for example, DT have grp set NOT for BG ?
Only little flag game made by childrens ?

The situation in mid is direct consequence of YOUR realm mistakes .... Dont blame others for that.

Step up and Call Mid fighters to war ... rally BG, exp casters, take keep .... And change things.

Our guild Ma Anche No do the same .... Smap and Gilboom stepped up and rally BG day by day ... And now they are between the best BG leaders of this server. Try join Gilboom BG for example and you'll see how wrong are your thoughts about hib and our leaders ... maybe you Will learn some thing also

But maybe too easy do some RP Killing small and solo at flags .... but if you hold on to do so, dont come after crying about Mid dying

Just a simple word that you seem to have forgotten..... ANIMISTS. Have you ever tried to fight in a keep with tons of mushrooms snaring, dotting and nuking you, interrupting everyone everywhere? Roll a Paci Healer in Mid and try, then come back here telling me that Hibs and Mids caster are the same.
You really don't know what are you talking about. And I fear that you don't even understand what I said or try to turn it just to blame us (Noashakra-style). We have different setups of course, if we are in a BG we use a group setup fit for a BG, if we go alone we use a different setup. It should be easy to understand this simple mechanics, no?

And again you say that exping casters is impossible in Mid, and again your are wrong. The most effective exping group has 3 or 4 SM with Pbaoe, 1 RM with PBT, pac healer and sham. Exping casters is WAY MUCH easier than exping tanks, trust me, I have almost any class at 50 now. But Mid casters become quite useless in RvR due to the absurd interrupt made by the other 2 realms with tons of pets and mushrooms, and also they have a lower damage output, and worst CC (Eldritch have base line stun and you come to me to talk about the Mid debuff train?) BD have AoE dots OR LT, (nerfed LT I would say) not both. Shamans have AoE dots OR buffs, not both. One of the most effective classes in Mid BGs are Thanes (with RA specced for BG of course). Have you ever tried to be grouped in a non-BG RvR with a Thane? Good luck...

And again you are wrong about easy RP, it's much easier to do RP in BGs (wonder... that's why Alb and Hib have huge BGs, not because you just spam in /region, weird uh?)

Anyway I'm quite stuffed about this discussion, thanks also to Noashakra's blabbering, so I repeat: enjoy your 2 realms server and let's see how long it can go on, keep on blaming all Mids (and DT in particular) because an entire realm is migrating to the other two, for sure it's easier than finding the root causes of this situation.

Wed 29 Jul 2020 6:13 AM by Noashakra

lol the animist are nerfed in structures since a while (good move). Are you even playing? And do we speak about gtae? It's way worst than mushrooms.
Anyway if you leave good rideance, you were barely playing anyway...

I hope a real realm leader appear in mid that will not farm small men on the flags with 4fg EU prime time.

Wed 29 Jul 2020 6:27 AM by Valaraukar

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Wed 29 Jul 2020 6:13 AM
lol the animist are nerfed in structures since a while (good move). Are you even playing? And do we speak about gtae? It's way worst than mushrooms.
Anyway if you leave good rideance, you were barely playing anyway...

I hope a real realm leader appear in mid that will not farm small men on the flags with 4fg EU prime time.

Animist are nerfed (maybe) since 3 days ago (26th of July patch notes) because BEFORE shrooms did not have LOS issues and keep hitting throgh the walls. The previous shrooms nerf in structures regarding loc has been removed months ago. Are you really serious? And I see the that FGs zerging you (and only you I'd say) keep increasing day by day

Wed 29 Jul 2020 6:46 AM by Noashakra

B's, it was the verdant pbae, not the shrooms. You show again you have no idea...

Go and play a another game, it's better for everyone.

Fg Zerg all the solo since the start of this server so I don't know what you speak about.

Wed 29 Jul 2020 7:44 AM by Gildar

Valaraukar wrote: ↑
Wed 29 Jul 2020 5:58 AM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Wed 29 Jul 2020 12:29 AM
ExcretusMaximus wrote: ↑
Tue 28 Jul 2020 3:48 PM
Valaraukar wrote: ↑
Tue 28 Jul 2020 6:22 AM
Maybe Mid casters are not grouped because they are not so effective?

Mid casters are fine.

They're not grouped because tanks are easier to keep alive and even after 20 years people think of Midgard as the "tank realm" for some stupid reason (I think it's celerity). Our casters are just as strong as Hibernia's, but nowhere near as strong as Albion's; but that's because Albion casters are overloaded with skills and pets and absolutely broken.

Finrod i quote a Mid Player so u cant tell that i dont know mid.

Mid casters are good like Hib casters ... only alb had an insane boost of his casters.
You talk about things you dont know when you write about Hib casters... try exp an eld void in hib and see what a pain is ... try find grp as an eld void in RvR... 8men call you useless and also in bg you have some problem finding grp.

Ì know well Mid casters ... i play mid on usa server years ago ... cold debuff train is awesome ... BD have aoe dot like mentalist but ALSO lifetap, twf and maelstrom, runies are really effective like voidelds ... in the end mid dont have good BG grps setup simply because in your realm exp casters is nearly impossible ... but that is a fault of mid himself ...
And ofc without a good BG leader nothing happens in rvr ....
Why, for example, DT have grp set NOT for BG ?
Only little flag game made by childrens ?

The situation in mid is direct consequence of YOUR realm mistakes .... Dont blame others for that.

Step up and Call Mid fighters to war ... rally BG, exp casters, take keep .... And change things.

Our guild Ma Anche No do the same .... Smap and Gilboom stepped up and rally BG day by day ... And now they are between the best BG leaders of this server. Try join Gilboom BG for example and you'll see how wrong are your thoughts about hib and our leaders ... maybe you Will learn some thing also

But maybe too easy do some RP Killing small and solo at flags .... but if you hold on to do so, dont come after crying about Mid dying

Just a simple word that you seem to have forgotten..... ANIMISTS. Have you ever tried to fight in a keep with tons of mushrooms snaring, dotting and nuking you, interrupting everyone everywhere? Roll a Paci Healer in Mid and try, then come back here telling me that Hibs and Mids caster are the same.
You really don't know what are you talking about. And I fear that you don't even understand what I said or try to turn it just to blame us (Noashakra-style). We have different setups of course, if we are in a BG we use a group setup fit for a BG, if we go alone we use a different setup. It should be easy to understand this simple mechanics, no?

And again you say that exping casters is impossible in Mid, and again your are wrong. The most effective exping group has 3 or 4 SM with Pbaoe, 1 RM with PBT, pac healer and sham. Exping casters is WAY MUCH easier than exping tanks, trust me, I have almost any class at 50 now. But Mid casters become quite useless in RvR due to the absurd interrupt made by the other 2 realms with tons of pets and mushrooms, and also they have a lower damage output, and worst CC (Eldritch have base line stun and you come to me to talk about the Mid debuff train?) BD have AoE dots OR LT, (nerfed LT I would say) not both. Shamans have AoE dots OR buffs, not both. One of the most effective classes in Mid BGs are Thanes (with RA specced for BG of course). Have you ever tried to be grouped in a non-BG RvR with a Thane? Good luck...

And again you are wrong about easy RP, it's much easier to do RP in BGs (wonder... that's why Alb and Hib have huge BGs, not because you just spam in /region, weird uh?)

Anyway I'm quite stuffed about this discussion, thanks also to Noashakra's blabbering, so I repeat: enjoy your 2 realms server and let's see how long it can go on, keep on blaming all Mids (and DT in particular) because an entire realm is migrating to the other two, for sure it's easier than finding the root causes of this situation.

when there are no more arguments .... here we are talking about animists ... LOL
the animists you speak of are spec verdant .... that is spec pve ... in rvr there will be 3 ... spec animist for rvr is arbo ... you don't even know what you say.
And then you believe that my eld void is not constantly interrupted in the keep fight? and my bard also ...
are you talking about shammy spec lines? the bard has cc and nerfed amnesia ... but ridiculous heals ... and nothing else (speed aside). Wanna talk about wardens ? LOL no shield spec line, only pbt and baseline heals ... weapon spec with 10 ... thane have aoe cast and shield STUN... LOL...
Champs ? Here only 1v1 ... no grps for champs ...
We have only BM climb walls ... Mid climber tanks are 2 ...
Yes we are the OP realm ... in your dreams only ...
in conclusion ... you have a lot of apologies for the situation that yourself have created in mid ... and still I have not heard you say ok we try to make a serious BG ... only complaints.
if we only have 2 realms, the fault is yours.
we did our part ... you NO.
Bye

Wed 29 Jul 2020 5:31 PM by mattymc

Gildar wrote: ↑
Wed 29 Jul 2020 7:44 AM
Valaraukar wrote: ↑
Wed 29 Jul 2020 5:58 AM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Wed 29 Jul 2020 12:29 AM
ExcretusMaximus wrote: ↑
Tue 28 Jul 2020 3:48 PM
Valaraukar wrote: ↑
Tue 28 Jul 2020 6:22 AM
Maybe Mid casters are not grouped because they are not so effective?

Mid casters are fine.

They're not grouped because tanks are easier to keep alive and even after 20 years people think of Midgard as the "tank realm" for some stupid reason (I think it's celerity). Our casters are just as strong as Hibernia's, but nowhere near as strong as Albion's; but that's because Albion casters are overloaded with skills and pets and absolutely broken.

Finrod i quote a Mid Player so u cant tell that i dont know mid.

Mid casters are good like Hib casters ... only alb had an insane boost of his casters.
You talk about things you dont know when you write about Hib casters... try exp an eld void in hib and see what a pain is ... try find grp as an eld void in RvR... 8men call you useless and also in bg you have some problem finding grp.

Ì know well Mid casters ... i play mid on usa server years ago ... cold debuff train is awesome ... BD have aoe dot like mentalist but ALSO lifetap, twf and maelstrom, runies are really effective like voidelds ... in the end mid dont have good BG grps setup simply because in your realm exp casters is nearly impossible ... but that is a fault of mid himself ...
And ofc without a good BG leader nothing happens in rvr ....
Why, for example, DT have grp set NOT for BG ?
Only little flag game made by childrens ?

The situation in mid is direct consequence of YOUR realm mistakes .... Dont blame others for that.

Step up and Call Mid fighters to war ... rally BG, exp casters, take keep .... And change things.

Our guild Ma Anche No do the same .... Smap and Gilboom stepped up and rally BG day by day ... And now they are between the best BG leaders of this server. Try join Gilboom BG for example and you'll see how wrong are your thoughts about hib and our leaders ... maybe you Will learn some thing also

But maybe too easy do some RP Killing small and solo at flags .... but if you hold on to do so, dont come after crying about Mid dying

Just a simple word that you seem to have forgotten..... ANIMISTS. Have you ever tried to fight in a keep with tons of mushrooms snaring, dotting and nuking you, interrupting everyone everywhere? Roll a Paci Healer in Mid and try, then come back here telling me that Hibs and Mids caster are the same.
You really don't know what are you talking about. And I fear that you don't even understand what I said or try to turn it just to blame us (Noashakra-style). We have different setups of course, if we are in a BG we use a group setup fit for a BG, if we go alone we use a different setup. It should be easy to understand this simple mechanics, no?

And again you say that exping casters is impossible in Mid, and again your are wrong. The most effective exping group has 3 or 4 SM with Pbaoe, 1 RM with PBT, pac healer and sham. Exping casters is WAY MUCH easier than exping tanks, trust me, I have almost any class at 50 now. But Mid casters become quite useless in RvR due to the absurd interrupt made by the other 2 realms with tons of pets and mushrooms, and also they have a lower damage output, and worst CC (Eldritch have base line stun and you come to me to talk about the Mid debuff train?) BD have AoE dots OR LT, (nerfed LT I would say) not both. Shamans have AoE dots OR buffs, not both. One of the most effective classes in Mid BGs are Thanes (with RA specced for BG of course). Have you ever tried to be grouped in a non-BG RvR with a Thane? Good luck...

And again you are wrong about easy RP, it's much easier to do RP in BGs (wonder... that's why Alb and Hib have huge BGs, not because you just spam in /region, weird uh?)

Anyway I'm quite stuffed about this discussion, thanks also to Noashakra's blabbering, so I repeat: enjoy your 2 realms server and let's see how long it can go on, keep on blaming all Mids (and DT in particular) because an entire realm is migrating to the other two, for sure it's easier than finding the root causes of this situation.

when there are no more arguments .... here we are talking about animists ... LOL
the animists you speak of are spec verdant .... that is spec pve ... in rvr there will be 3 ... spec animist for rvr is arbo ... you don't even know what you say.
And then you believe that my eld void is not constantly interrupted in the keep fight? and my bard also ...
are you talking about shammy spec lines? the bard has cc and nerfed amnesia ... but ridiculous heals ... and nothing else (speed aside). Wanna talk about wardens ? LOL no shield spec line, only pbt and baseline heals ... weapon spec with 10 ... thane have aoe cast and shield STUN... LOL...
Champs ? Here only 1v1 ... no grps for champs ...
We have only BM climb walls ... Mid climber tanks are 2 ...
Yes we are the OP realm ... in your dreams only ...
in conclusion ... you have a lot of apologies for the situation that yourself have created in mid ... and still I have not heard you say ok we try to make a serious BG ... only complaints.
if we only have 2 realms, the fault is yours.
we did our part ... you NO.
Bye

You did your part? --All you did is be in a realm with a POP advantage the majority of the time. YOU did nothing, you simply chose to have an easier go and were rewarded by the DEVS for your extreme laziness..Did your part -- laughable.

Wed 29 Jul 2020 5:43 PM by Noashakra

If you were spending as much time making a BG as you are QQing on the forums, you would have the 6 relics already man.

Wed 29 Jul 2020 8:38 PM by Noashakra

Maxistoo is back since a while and guess what he is doing??
ROFL
You can't make that stuff up

Wed 29 Jul 2020 9:26 PM by Noashakra

The flag is on mid, guess where are the dark templars and the best BG leader?

Wed 29 Jul 2020 9:30 PM by Gildar

mattymc wrote: ↑
Wed 29 Jul 2020 5:31 PM
... cut ...

You did your part? --All you did is be in a realm with a POP advantage the majority of the time. YOU did nothing, you simply chose to have an easier go and were rewarded by the DEVS for your extreme laziness..Did your part -- laughable.

Yes Yes... You really believe in things you wrote ????

Time to awaken and stand up ... no more in land of dreams ... learn to play and not only to whine on forum QQing on how bad are Devs for mid ....

Your arguments is old and boring and ridicolous like your reply ... we do our part in hib leading our BG also when we have only 1 relic left ... Ma Anche No guild stepped up with Gilboom and Smap, rallyng the players and lead them to win the fights ... You what you do ?

Oh yes, you whine and cry on forum against the evil Devs.... an heroic deed indeed ...
This is laughable.

Thu 30 Jul 2020 12:04 AM by Zocci

Jesus christ Noashakra...

It's one thing to recreate Classic Daoc but did you have to go full on VNboards too?

Thu 30 Jul 2020 12:24 AM by mattymc

Gildar wrote: ↑
Wed 29 Jul 2020 9:30 PM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Wed 29 Jul 2020 5:31 PM
... cut ...

You did your part? --All you did is be in a realm with a POP advantage the majority of the time. YOU did nothing, you simply chose to have an easier go and were rewarded by the DEVS for your extreme laziness..Did your part -- laughable.

Yes Yes... You really believe in things you wrote ????

Time to awaken and stand up ... no more in land of dreams ... learn to play and not only to whine on forum QQing on how bad are Devs for mid ....

Your arguments is old and boring and ridicolous like your reply ... we do our part in hib leading our BG also when we have only 1 relic left ... Ma Anche No guild stepped up with Gilboom and Smap, rallyng the players and lead them to win the fights ... You what you do ?

Oh yes, you whine and cry on forum against the evil Devs.... an heroic deed indeed ...
This is laughable.

You do your part leading??-- anyone can lead when there is NO ONE to fight or nothing substantive --- want to be impressive, lead less and win against more....your words are hollow and reflect your ability to achieve coherent thought.

Thu 30 Jul 2020 10:06 PM by Ceseuron

It used to be that Midgard was called out on the forums for being overpopulated:

Example: https://forum.playphoenix.online/realm/rvr/11662-more-mids-in-nf-than-albs-and-hibs-combined
Example 2: https://forum.playphoenix.online/realm/rvr/10026-mid-has-been-consistently-overpop-despite-all-sorts-of-underpop-bonuses-balance-issues

When I first started playing on Phoenix, it was Albion that was the strongest of the three realms in terms of sheer numbers they could field in the Frontiers, so much so that there was indignant grumblings in Midgard on occasion that the Phoenix devs should take to locking out overpopulated realms. At one point, Albion was able to hold all six relics for more than a week.

If there is one thing I've come to understand about Phoenix DAOC, it's that the balance of power shifts over time. Albion was once top dog, then Midgard booted them off the hill for a time. Now Hibernia has more numbers. It is the way of things here and I don't think that casting thinly veiled insults at each other is going to fix anything. Mostly because there isn't really anything to fix. Phoenix server developers have put up incentives for players to choose to play underpopulated realms, but in the end it's still a choice left up to the players as to which realm they want to RVR in.

Eventually the balance of power will shift again and, as it happened for Albion and Midgard, Hibernia will no longer be the most populous realm. It is simply a matter of time, and when that time does come, I'm sure there will be more of these broken record posts from the underdog realms that theirs is the realm that is dying.

For the record, I still only play Midgard, irrespective of the population counts or who holds all of the relics, and I have no complaints. Maybe it's time to stop complaining and stop berating the developers for not making their free DAOC server, that they maintain on their own time and at their own expense I might add, cater to the whims of those who feel that DAOC should only exist within the confines of their defined play style. Learn to accept that you will not always win and play the game for what it is. You'll have a lot more fun.

Fri 31 Jul 2020 12:45 PM by Tyrlaan

Ceseuron wrote: ↑
Thu 30 Jul 2020 10:06 PM
Phoenix server developers have put up incentives for players to choose to play underpopulated realms, but in the end it's still a choice left up to the players as to which realm they want to RVR in.

Yesterday Hib had a higher RP bonus (24%+, due to 15+ keeps held) than Albs and Mids combined (each ~9%, due to /underpop). And while there were definitely many more Hibs to be killed, they run around with +10% melee and +6% magic damage. Just saying, speaking of incentives and all.

The Hib zerg bolstered by the relic hoppers will keep getting these keeps every day as long as they give so many RPs (even at high RR, and total gain for the realm is higher the more players are getting them in a zerg - 1 or 2 fg reraiding a tower later is way less RPs gained) and bonuses, even with nobody defending because there´s no relics to be had, aggravating the problem. The /underpop bonuses simply don´t work as an incentive to play the underdog realm.

Fri 31 Jul 2020 4:42 PM by Gildar

As all can see ... atm Hibzerg ignore alb front ... apart of Boldiam.

Yesterday Gilboom not form BG and today go Bled for siege a defended keep ... mids come and battle rage on for more than 1 hour, mids winning /clap Mids for hard defence

Alb atm is dishearthened so some Hib zergleaders decide to not harass them more... hope all remember that.

Seeking for future great clashes, no matter who win ... we all are here for some fun.

Bye

Fri 31 Jul 2020 11:34 PM by mattymc

Gildar wrote: ↑
Fri 31 Jul 2020 4:42 PM
As all can see ... atm Hibzerg ignore alb front ... apart of Boldiam.

Yesterday Gilboom not form BG and today go Bled for siege a defended keep ... mids come and battle rage on for more than 1 hour, mids winning /clap Mids for hard defence

Alb atm is dishearthened so some Hib zergleaders decide to not harass them more... hope all remember that.

Seeking for future great clashes, no matter who win ... we all are here for some fun.

Bye

Remember what --- Hibbs outnumber either realm -- they happened to get a fight today; the system is still a mess. What great fights??? Perhaps you mean one decent<ish> fight --- PUSH for greater balance and for incentives to make it so....not the status quo

Sat 1 Aug 2020 5:27 PM by Noashakra

Stop lying, Thursday hib was actually underpop, we had the RP bonus. And still no attack/defense from mids, like I wrote, most of them were taking flags as always.

But the problem is the devs...

Sat 1 Aug 2020 7:21 PM by mattymc

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Sat 1 Aug 2020 5:27 PM
Stop lying, Thursday hib was actually underpop, we had the RP bonus. And still no attack/defense from mids, like I wrote, most of them were taking flags as always.

But the problem is the devs...

You really don't understand much --- one day, one hour when you <read HIbs in this case> don't have the normal MASSIVE population advantage means NOTHING in this discussion --- it's the preponderance of time and the preponderance of actions that one would think SHOULD cause the Devs pause and PERHAPS reconsider the direction of the game.

Stop trying to validate the silliness of your statements with single points in time and try to look at the BIGGER picture

Sat 1 Aug 2020 8:28 PM by Slithic

It is pretty simple.

Go to the herald. Sort for realm points for the week . Do it again for last week ...

You will see a sea of green, farming red and blue.

Yes, it's easy to defend it when you have 6 relics and farming players like pve mobs.

Someday .. someone might get their head out ....

Sun 2 Aug 2020 12:50 PM by Noashakra

You are the one crying when numbers are not supporting your views. My experience in rvr is contradicting your narrative here.

The fact is mid, even when they are more than hibs, don't give a shit about relics and keeps. I saw with my own eyes mid split in two, some people trying to take keeps, and even more people following the flags the whole night.

Then you cry here for the dev to change the game for you, when it's a people problem, not a realm problem.

The top rp/week payers just shows people who play the most. I could litterally make more than a million rp a week with a mentalist aedoting in keeps by myself... And my playstyle would not even help my realm.
Bellelle was at the top with his infiltrator (650k rp a week). Is the game dominated by infiltrators?
It makes no sense.

If you look at the top 25 guilds last week, mid has 8 in the top 25, and alb 4.
Do you see albs saying their realm is dying? STFU please.

Sun 2 Aug 2020 2:53 PM by mattymc

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Sun 2 Aug 2020 12:50 PM
You are the one crying when numbers are not supporting your views. My experience in rvr is contradicting your narrative here.

The fact is mid, even when they are more than hibs, don't give a shit about relics and keeps. I saw with my own eyes mid split in two, some people trying to take keeps, and even more people following the flags the whole night.

Then you cry here for the dev to change the game for you, when it's a people problem, not a realm problem.

The top rp/week payers just shows people who play the most. I could litterally make more than a million rp a week with a mentalist aedoting in keeps by myself... And my playstyle would not even help my realm.
Bellelle was at the top with his infiltrator (650k rp a week). Is the game dominated by infiltrators?
It makes no sense.

If you look at the top 25 guilds last week, mid has 8 in the top 25, and alb 4.
Do you see albs saying their realm is dying? STFU please.

Try to have someone else read what you wrote and then try and tell you what the _(&** your saying, it may help --- perhaps do that before you post. The game, as is, ISN'T a game -- hence , it's broken -- and stop trying to be an internet tough guy -- it's really pathetic

Sun 2 Aug 2020 2:56 PM by Noashakra

Stop whining here without facts and just your feelings.
You have no argument.

"This game isn't a game"
LMAO...
And then you tell me I should read what I am writing.

The game isn't broken. Most mids like to take flags, because it makes more rps... And then they cry about how they are the underdog and can't do anytjing. So instead of crying here and ask the dev to fix this problem for you, become Pilzpower and a great bg leader to rally people around you to destroy hib.

Sun 2 Aug 2020 9:03 PM by Siouxsie

mattymc - don't bother responding to Noashakra and Glidar, they're just gaslighting you. Not worth the energy to respond to their trolling and toxic manipulative behaviour.

Sun 2 Aug 2020 9:07 PM by Noashakra

Siouxsie wrote: ↑
Sun 2 Aug 2020 9:03 PM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Sun 2 Aug 2020 2:53 PM
Noashakra wrote: ↑
Sun 2 Aug 2020 12:50 PM
You are the one crying when numbers are not supporting your views. My experience in rvr is contradicting your narrative here.

The fact is mid, even when they are more than hibs, don't give a shit about relics and keeps. I saw with my own eyes mid split in two, some people trying to take keeps, and even more people following the flags the whole night.

Then you cry here for the dev to change the game for you, when it's a people problem, not a realm problem.

The top rp/week payers just shows people who play the most. I could litterally make more than a million rp a week with a mentalist aedoting in keeps by myself... And my playstyle would not even help my realm.
Bellelle was at the top with his infiltrator (650k rp a week). Is the game dominated by infiltrators?
It makes no sense.

If you look at the top 25 guilds last week, mid has 8 in the top 25, and alb 4.
Do you see albs saying their realm is dying? STFU please.

Try to have someone else read what you wrote and then try and tell you what the _(&** your saying, it may help --- perhaps do that before you post. The game, as is, ISN'T a game -- hence , it's broken -- and stop trying to be an internet tough guy -- it's really pathetic

mattymc - don't bother responding to Noashakra and Glidar, they're just gaslighting you. Not worth the energy to respond to their trolling and toxic manipulative behaviour.

Coming from someone that posts things like Shar ranger is op and hits like a BM, NS is OP, who doesn't know how moc was working, and write something completely stupid every two posts, I take this as a compliment.

Sun 2 Aug 2020 9:33 PM by Gildar

Siouxsie wrote: ↑
Sun 2 Aug 2020 9:03 PM
mattymc - don't bother responding to Noashakra and Glidar, they're just gaslighting you. Not worth the energy to respond to their trolling and toxic manipulative behaviour.

Aka... i nave no arguments

I asked many times why you dont step up and start a BG yourself instead of crying in forum ...

I get NO ANSWER

And we gaslight ? You cant do a simple answer ... your fault not mine

Sun 2 Aug 2020 9:41 PM by Astaa

Mids, running 3-4fg in task zone and another 2fg in gorge, moaning they don't have keeps.

Haha, OK.

Sun 2 Aug 2020 11:24 PM by ExcretusMaximus

Can the mods just lock this already?

It's 20 pages of Noashakra insulting people and making erroneous arguments to prove false points.

Mon 3 Aug 2020 6:58 AM by Noashakra

ExcretusMaximus wrote: ↑
Sun 2 Aug 2020 11:24 PM
Can the mods just lock this already?

It's 20 pages of Noashakra insulting people and making erroneous arguments to prove false points.

20 pages of people whining and denying reality (or even lying) without any proofs to back up their claims.

Please feel free to lock this post.

Mon 3 Aug 2020 8:26 PM by Gildar

Astaa wrote: ↑
Sun 2 Aug 2020 9:41 PM
Mids, running 3-4fg in task zone and another 2fg in gorge, moaning they don't have keeps.

Haha, OK.

Care Astaa now come siouxie ... and you become a gaslighting dirty hib ....

Ops you play albion ?

Wed 5 Aug 2020 6:37 PM by inoeth

this is how midgard refuses to do RvR to free a cheater.....
you can all learn alot here... omg

Wed 5 Aug 2020 10:09 PM by Gildar

Dont speak german sry ...
I cant understand your argument here ...
I only see a lot of mid doing nothing

Thu 6 Aug 2020 12:35 AM by Wakefield

By look of it, main german alliance has turned up to protest a banning / deletion of a member for afk farming

Thu 6 Aug 2020 12:44 AM by brewtus23

Siouxsie wrote: ↑
Sun 2 Aug 2020 9:03 PM
mattymc - don't bother responding to Noashakra and Glidar, they're just gaslighting you. Not worth the energy to respond to their trolling and toxic manipulative behaviour.

Still waiting for Siouxsie to step up and lead Midgard to greatness as much as you spends time on these forums complaining about everything!!! Get off the forums and lead and show us all who clearly don't know anything how it is suppose to be done.

Thu 6 Aug 2020 7:37 AM by Stoertebecker

Wakefield wrote: ↑
Thu 6 Aug 2020 12:35 AM
By look of it, main german alliance has turned up to protest a banning / deletion of a member for afk farming

And what was this member afk farming, standing in Godrborg on a wall with his healer?
Not to mention that he`s playing since day 1 and never get a warning/temporary ban for anything else.

@Inoeth

Just stfu if you don`t know what went on.

Thu 6 Aug 2020 7:53 AM by Sepplord

the entry in the ban forum doesn't mention farming, it mentions macro/unattended gameplay
were they using a macro for buffing?

Thu 6 Aug 2020 7:56 AM by Noashakra

Stoertebecker wrote: ↑
Thu 6 Aug 2020 7:37 AM
Wakefield wrote: ↑
Thu 6 Aug 2020 12:35 AM
By look of it, main german alliance has turned up to protest a banning / deletion of a member for afk farming

And what was this member afk farming, standing in Godrborg on a wall with his healer?
Not to mention that he`s playing since day 1 and never get a warning/temporary ban for anything else.

@Inoeth

Just stfu if you don`t know what went on.

The rules are the same for everyone. If he is here since day one, he has even less excuses than newcomers.

Well done GMs to don't make special exceptions.

Thu 6 Aug 2020 8:07 AM by Stoertebecker

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Thu 6 Aug 2020 7:53 AM
the entry in the ban forum doesn't mention farming, it mentions macro/unattended gameplay
were they using a macro for buffing?

Not going to discuss this further here, don`t think that will help at all.

But he was solo, on a healer. Not much he could farm standing in Godrborg.

Thu 6 Aug 2020 8:20 AM by Astaa

It's irrelevant what he was doing, running AFK macros gets you banned, the rules are clear and simple.

Thu 6 Aug 2020 8:53 AM by Stoertebecker

Astaa wrote: ↑
Thu 6 Aug 2020 8:20 AM
It's irrelevant what he was going, running AFK macros gets you banned, the rules are clear and simple.

It`s all about common sense and logic. But i understand it absolutely if you`ve never heared about stuff like that, lets hope that you`ll never run into a similar situation.

Thu 6 Aug 2020 9:19 AM by Astaa

I don't cheat, so it's pretty unlikely that I will get banned for cheating

The logic I don't understand is people breaking the simple rules of the server, account sharing, running AFK macros, running multiple accounts and people actually doing it a second time after being caught and banned for it. It's bizarre. Why do people waste GMs time by cheating?

Thu 6 Aug 2020 10:01 AM by Noashakra

I used radar and speedbot, but only on the relic town!
Why did I get banned? Use logic and common sense.

I can't have sympathy for someone who played that long and allegedly doesn't know the rules about macroing.

Even if the guy wasn't doing it with ill intend.

Thu 6 Aug 2020 10:24 AM by Stoertebecker

Astaa wrote: ↑
Thu 6 Aug 2020 9:19 AM
I don't cheat, so it's pretty unlikely that I will get banned for cheating

And so did he, or don`t you think the GM`s would get him sooner if he is really a cheater, afk-farmer or macro user, after 18 month of playing on Phoenix?

I´m here since the first hour of grand opening, never got in touch with a GM ( i have 2 Bd`s and several other lvl 50 toons), never got a afk-check, nothing.
So no, i don`t even waste a thought about cheating, and my tolerance for cheaters is 0.

But, i can`t rule out that something similar happens to me, and i would feel lucky if my friends try to help me explaining what happened.

I even know a GM (before he was getting a GM) who forget stop running while he had to leave his comp out of the sudden, he came back back after 15 minutes and he was still running against a tree. Macro-using? Nope. Unattended gameplay? Maybe. Cheating? If i follow some ppl`s logic...yep, cheating.

Thu 6 Aug 2020 10:58 AM by Sepplord

Stoertebecker wrote: ↑
Thu 6 Aug 2020 10:24 AM
I even know a GM (before he was getting a GM) who forget stop running while he had to leave his comp out of the sudden, he came back back after 15 minutes and he was still running against a tree. Macro-using? Nope. Unattended gameplay? Maybe. Cheating? If i follow some ppl`s logic...yep, cheating.

I haven't heard of anyone getting banned for auto-running while AFK.
And i doubt anyone would consider it cheating. Auto-running is no input into the game, that keeps you logged in indefinitely, and i have been completely AFK for over an hour without being disconnected too.
I don't even want to discuss if the ban is correct or not, it would just be intresting to know what happened.

The Staff side is pretty clear, they say they caught someone automating inputs.
The other side of the story is unknown.

Thu 6 Aug 2020 11:07 AM by Stoertebecker

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Thu 6 Aug 2020 10:58 AM
Stoertebecker wrote: ↑
Thu 6 Aug 2020 10:24 AM
I even know a GM (before he was getting a GM) who forget stop running while he had to leave his comp out of the sudden, he came back back after 15 minutes and he was still running against a tree. Macro-using? Nope. Unattended gameplay? Maybe. Cheating? If i follow some ppl`s logic...yep, cheating.

I haven't heard of anyone getting banned for auto-running while AFK.
And i doubt anyone would consider it cheating. Auto-running is no input into the game, that keeps you logged in indefinitely, and i have been completely AFK for over an hour without being disconnected too.

Nah, autorun-afk isn`t a reason for getting a ban here on phoenix, afaik. But it was on Uthgard the first 3 month or so.
Was just as an expample for what can happen if you have to leave suddenly.

I´ve seen you on discord, mssg you there.

Thu 6 Aug 2020 12:29 PM by Wakefield

Stoertebecker wrote: ↑
Thu 6 Aug 2020 7:37 AM
Wakefield wrote: ↑
Thu 6 Aug 2020 12:35 AM
By look of it, main german alliance has turned up to protest a banning / deletion of a member for afk farming

And what was this member afk farming, standing in Godrborg on a wall with his healer?
Not to mention that he`s playing since day 1 and never get a warning/temporary ban for anything else.

@Inoeth

Just stfu if you don`t know what went on.

Just reading what was in the screenshot with a greycon called freealyssa.

And ban forum kinda backs it up.

Thu 6 Aug 2020 1:44 PM by Shamissa

Why you all changed the subject in this thread? No one needs to know who the heck got banned in this thread....stay on topic !!! Or close this god damn thread already.

Thu 6 Aug 2020 4:33 PM by Astaa

OK, Midgard is dying, through choice and playstyle.

Thu 6 Aug 2020 9:20 PM by mattymc

Astaa wrote: ↑
Thu 6 Aug 2020 4:33 PM
OK, Midgard is dying, through choice and playstyle.

<Shrug> Agree to disagree --- It's more bad decisions and departures from the original game design without making changes necessary to retain balance/competition.

Thu 6 Aug 2020 9:51 PM by Thoralf1

inoeth wrote: ↑
Wed 5 Aug 2020 6:37 PM
this is how midgard refuses to do RvR to free a cheater.....
you can all learn alot here... omg

How else shall they show their protest. It's a shame what happened to the player and yes this stuff fits in this postings. Yes Midgard dies when those who keep the game and especially a big part of Midgard together get's his characters deleted ... A simple ban ok but this definately too much and is no justice.

PS: Alberians once you will sit on your relics and empty keeps and play with yourselves.

Thu 6 Aug 2020 11:25 PM by Gildar

Uhm dont sure if the story of a banned guy can fit into this discussion

Cant talk about that, because i dont know nothing ... if GM made a wrong decision or if ban was correct.

Anyway Mid is certainly not dying for that reason.

Mid is dying because few ppl defend their homeland and because a great part of players go only flag ... too easy to see that.

Why in Hib 60% of 50 toons join BG and in Mid only 20% ???

This question i asked in the very first pages of this discussion still remains unanswered sry ... and was some month ago.
How can fit in that the ban of a guy that was only some day ago ???

Fri 7 Aug 2020 9:41 AM by Stoertebecker

Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 6 Aug 2020 11:25 PM
This question i asked in the very first pages of this discussion still remains unanswered sry ... and was some month ago.
How can fit in that the ban of a guy that was only some day ago ???

You want an answer for something that you already should know if your chat isn`t closed the whole time and if you`re blind.

And this ban will have an effect in a short/mid term, at least if the mid-bg isn`t even able to reraid towers/keeps because there are no 2-4fg in the evening that cause some action in Alb/Hib or helping out the Mid-Bg, breaking ports etc. There is more unimportant stuff to do as getting frustrated about stupid rules (some, not all) in a 20 y old game.

Time for a break again

Fri 7 Aug 2020 10:44 AM by Vkejai

Mids seem more interested in running flag tasks, but when they do actually form a decent BG they are very strong. Since the task change Midgard gone downhill.

Fri 7 Aug 2020 3:48 PM by PlainsOil

Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 6 Aug 2020 11:25 PM
Anyway Mid is certainly not dying for that reason.
Mid is dying because few ppl defend their homeland and because a great part of players go only flag ... too easy to see that.
Why in Hib 60% of 50 toons join BG and in Mid only 20% ???
This question i asked in the very first pages of this discussion still remains unanswered sry ... and was some month ago.

I can tell you my experience playing Midgard off and on since I joined this server a couple of months ago. It's pretty much what this guy said. I've played DAoC since beta, then not very regularly over the years, but I always tried to "role play" at least a little bit. (Mid/Perc for life!). What that translates to in this game is "realm loyalty", and with the near-death of role-playing in any form in these games, combined with the insanely-easy realm-hopping that Phoenix promotes, there is very little to no realm loyalty here at all.

When I log into my Hibs and Mids during NA prime time, and see essentially what Gildar is talking about, with a far greater percentage of Hibs in the RvR BG, it's pretty hard to stay loyal to Midgard. Midgard could be down every keep and on its last legs defending the relic gate and I still see Mid kill-spam in whatever the Task zone is. Sometimes there are more Mids running 8-man RP-farming squads in task zones than defending the realm or in the BG playing offense. I get it, this is just another PUBG map to most of you kids these days, and I've had to adjust my expectations (yes, I'm an old fart).

The other major turn-off from playing Midgard here was the first guild I joined, and the alliance it was in. Apparently, I joined during some drama which resulted in guilds dying and leaders bailing en masse. Also, after about week, it became clear to me that the main few leaders in my guild spent 12 hours per day on Hunters in Cruachan Gorge farming Hib XP'ers which, in my humble opinion, is incredibly lame. That guild is no more, and the other guilds in that alliance seem to have lost a lot of people (probably relic-hopping to Hib).

On the other hand, on my Hibs I've been in the RvR BGs for quite a while now and in the various Discords and other voice servers. A lot of the Hib leadership are serious jerks, to be blunt. If the main body of the Hib BG could hear the disrespectful trash that the BG "leaders" are talking - generally about newer people who might need a hand - they'd instantly re-roll to Alb or Mid. I won't even join a group with some of these members of the "leader" guild any more (hint: starts with "Smar…"

. While talking trash about nearly everybody else in the BG, these guys are the biggest whiner newbs about heals, assists, buffs, etc., etc.

As a long-time business owner/contractor, I have a rule that no bitching is allowed unless you have a solution. Well, I don't. There is no "role playing" any more, thus there is no "realm loyalty" any more. And the rules of this server make realm-hopping so easy/encouraged, that it's not even a player-solvable issue. I guess we just try to have as much fun we can in this still-fun game and enjoy our PUBG server.

Fri 7 Aug 2020 4:16 PM by Noashakra

Damn, even more testimonials which are going to be ignored by reality deniers.

Preach brothers.

And I don't care if someone is an I situation or not, if he is OG or not.

Rules are the same for everyone. I am glad the devs make no exceptions.

Fri 7 Aug 2020 4:34 PM by joshisanonymous

PlainsOil wrote: ↑
Fri 7 Aug 2020 3:48 PM
On the other hand, on my Hibs I've been in the RvR BGs for quite a while now and in the various Discords and other voice servers. A lot of the Hib leadership are serious jerks, to be blunt. If the main body of the Hib BG could hear the disrespectful trash that the BG "leaders" are talking - generally about newer people who might need a hand - they'd instantly re-roll to Alb or Mid. I won't even join a group with some of these members of the "leader" guild any more (hint: starts with "Smar…". While talking trash about nearly everybody else in the BG, these guys are the biggest whiner newbs about heals, assists, buffs, etc., etc.

As a long-time business owner/contractor, I have a rule that no bitching is allowed unless you have a solution. Well, I don't. There is no "role playing" any more, thus there is no "realm loyalty" any more. And the rules of this server make realm-hopping so easy/encouraged, that it's not even a player-solvable issue. I guess we just try to have as much fun we can in this still-fun game and enjoy our PUBG server.

One of the things I really like about Mid here is that all of the BG leaders I've joined up with have been very cool, friendly people, except Gio who is no longer Mid anyway. I think part of that might be that the people who stick with Mid despite that realm performing poorly overall for months now are those who still like the sort of realm loyalty roleplay that you're referring to. Even if we're doing badly, those of us who are there and are trying are interested in making Mid feel like a community.

Fri 7 Aug 2020 7:53 PM by Komaf

PlainsOil wrote: ↑
Fri 7 Aug 2020 3:48 PM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 6 Aug 2020 11:25 PM
Anyway Mid is certainly not dying for that reason.
Mid is dying because few ppl defend their homeland and because a great part of players go only flag ... too easy to see that.
Why in Hib 60% of 50 toons join BG and in Mid only 20% ???
This question i asked in the very first pages of this discussion still remains unanswered sry ... and was some month ago.

I can tell you my experience playing Midgard off and on since I joined this server a couple of months ago. It's pretty much what this guy said. I've played DAoC since beta, then not very regularly over the years, but I always tried to "role play" at least a little bit. (Mid/Perc for life!). What that translates to in this game is "realm loyalty", and with the near-death of role-playing in any form in these games, combined with the insanely-easy realm-hopping that Phoenix promotes, there is very little to no realm loyalty here at all.

When I log into my Hibs and Mids during NA prime time, and see essentially what Gildar is talking about, with a far greater percentage of Hibs in the RvR BG, it's pretty hard to stay loyal to Midgard. Midgard could be down every keep and on its last legs defending the relic gate and I still see Mid kill-spam in whatever the Task zone is. Sometimes there are more Mids running 8-man RP-farming squads in task zones than defending the realm or in the BG playing offense. I get it, this is just another PUBG map to most of you kids these days, and I've had to adjust my expectations (yes, I'm an old fart).

The other major turn-off from playing Midgard here was the first guild I joined, and the alliance it was in. Apparently, I joined during some drama which resulted in guilds dying and leaders bailing en masse. Also, after about week, it became clear to me that the main few leaders in my guild spent 12 hours per day on Hunters in Cruachan Gorge farming Hib XP'ers which, in my humble opinion, is incredibly lame. That guild is no more, and the other guilds in that alliance seem to have lost a lot of people (probably relic-hopping to Hib).

On the other hand, on my Hibs I've been in the RvR BGs for quite a while now and in the various Discords and other voice servers. A lot of the Hib leadership are serious jerks, to be blunt. If the main body of the Hib BG could hear the disrespectful trash that the BG "leaders" are talking - generally about newer people who might need a hand - they'd instantly re-roll to Alb or Mid. I won't even join a group with some of these members of the "leader" guild any more (hint: starts with "Smar…". While talking trash about nearly everybody else in the BG, these guys are the biggest whiner newbs about heals, assists, buffs, etc., etc.

As a long-time business owner/contractor, I have a rule that no bitching is allowed unless you have a solution. Well, I don't. There is no "role playing" any more, thus there is no "realm loyalty" any more. And the rules of this server make realm-hopping so easy/encouraged, that it's not even a player-solvable issue. I guess we just try to have as much fun we can in this still-fun game and enjoy our PUBG server.

After reading this (and as an ex-Percival Midgard/Hel Maor player myself), I no longer have to post, lol. You nailed it - especially with how easily Phoenix made it to real hop, even with the 4 hour pvp timer, it's still just too easy to have zero realm loyalty. But, I'm hard core and believe you should have to pick 1 realm period, lol. Imagine that.

Damn shame you aren't on Midgard. I can't soil myself playing Hib, it's just so swollen and overrun and the elitist nonsense vs melee, the overall clique club that Hib is on this server just leaves a bad taste.

Such valid points you made.... if there were more players like you we'd have the old Percival/Guinevere/Nimue community back.

Fri 7 Aug 2020 11:48 PM by Gildar

PlainsOil wrote: ↑
Fri 7 Aug 2020 3:48 PM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 6 Aug 2020 11:25 PM
Anyway Mid is certainly not dying for that reason.
Mid is dying because few ppl defend their homeland and because a great part of players go only flag ... too easy to see that.
Why in Hib 60% of 50 toons join BG and in Mid only 20% ???
This question i asked in the very first pages of this discussion still remains unanswered sry ... and was some month ago.

I can tell you my experience playing Midgard off and on since I joined this server a couple of months ago. It's pretty much what this guy said. I've played DAoC since beta, then not very regularly over the years, but I always tried to "role play" at least a little bit. (Mid/Perc for life!). What that translates to in this game is "realm loyalty", and with the near-death of role-playing in any form in these games, combined with the insanely-easy realm-hopping that Phoenix promotes, there is very little to no realm loyalty here at all.

When I log into my Hibs and Mids during NA prime time, and see essentially what Gildar is talking about, with a far greater percentage of Hibs in the RvR BG, it's pretty hard to stay loyal to Midgard. Midgard could be down every keep and on its last legs defending the relic gate and I still see Mid kill-spam in whatever the Task zone is. Sometimes there are more Mids running 8-man RP-farming squads in task zones than defending the realm or in the BG playing offense. I get it, this is just another PUBG map to most of you kids these days, and I've had to adjust my expectations (yes, I'm an old fart).

The other major turn-off from playing Midgard here was the first guild I joined, and the alliance it was in. Apparently, I joined during some drama which resulted in guilds dying and leaders bailing en masse. Also, after about week, it became clear to me that the main few leaders in my guild spent 12 hours per day on Hunters in Cruachan Gorge farming Hib XP'ers which, in my humble opinion, is incredibly lame. That guild is no more, and the other guilds in that alliance seem to have lost a lot of people (probably relic-hopping to Hib).

On the other hand, on my Hibs I've been in the RvR BGs for quite a while now and in the various Discords and other voice servers. A lot of the Hib leadership are serious jerks, to be blunt. If the main body of the Hib BG could hear the disrespectful trash that the BG "leaders" are talking - generally about newer people who might need a hand - they'd instantly re-roll to Alb or Mid. I won't even join a group with some of these members of the "leader" guild any more (hint: starts with "Smar…". While talking trash about nearly everybody else in the BG, these guys are the biggest whiner newbs about heals, assists, buffs, etc., etc.

As a long-time business owner/contractor, I have a rule that no bitching is allowed unless you have a solution. Well, I don't. There is no "role playing" any more, thus there is no "realm loyalty" any more. And the rules of this server make realm-hopping so easy/encouraged, that it's not even a player-solvable issue. I guess we just try to have as much fun we can in this still-fun game and enjoy our PUBG server.

/clap ...

Agree 100% on all

For realm hopping ... I open a thread "Real timer" in suggestion per of this forum.
Anyone agree on set a longer timer like my post pls ... maybe GM hear out cries:p

Sat 8 Aug 2020 1:48 PM by mattymc

Azrael wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 12:43 AM
Koros wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 12:22 AM
Azrael wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 12:15 AM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Thu 7 May 2020 11:49 PM
Lack of leadership is a fraudulent excuse...people step up and lead all the time, it's simply easier to run to where the relics/FOTM Class/es are, population is, etc.....I see people on all realms yelling the same crap at BG's and their leaders, no more nor less on mid. People go to the path of least resistance; that isn't MID.

rofl what? So if it's not about leadership, does relics change the realm magically?

They literally told you why. Are you ignoring what they said for a reason?

Lack of FOTM classes, harder time to level/make gold, lack of population atm... like he already told you, people who game tend to be the type of person to go where they have it easiest.. right now that isn't on Mid. Sure there are people around, like me and my buddy, who would prefer to play on the underpopulated realm but that is the rare people, most want the easy life which I understand, after work, school, or life, sometimes people just want to relax.

Sure, a lot of people want to go the easy route but with that logic the realm who gets the relic first after a server start should never ever lose them because it is the winner realm?!?
Only what I can understand it that it is more difficult to get easy money (dunno about DS) but should not matter at all on this server settings. Every realm has fotm classes so that makes also no sense to me. Also there is no difference in terms of leveling, so no, I do not see your point.

Exactly, people are looking at the results not the causes...many decisions made in respect to game play cause people to react in certain ways --- the game rewards running over more with less with little regard to losing gain <read RP>.. Even with the permanent 25% bonus <which is a decent attempt at a 'fix'> but , there are structural flaws that are more responsible for the situation we are in...which is functionally Phoenix now mirrors live....which for most, isn't a good thing. Leaders or no, it is incredibly hard to rally 40 to fight 80 when you can run around and do as well or better just task hoping or PvE'ing twrs and keeps.

Sat 8 Aug 2020 2:28 PM by

gruenesschaf

A high realm timer / encouraging more realm loyalty would not necessarily have helped, the best case study for that was uthgard 2 hibernia.

Sat 8 Aug 2020 4:49 PM by Stoertebecker

gruenesschaf wrote: ↑
Sat 8 Aug 2020 2:28 PM
A high realm timer / encouraging more realm loyalty would not necessarily have helped, the best case study for that was uthgard 2 hibernia.

With the difference that you`ll be lvl 50 and halfway rvr rdy (depending on class) on this server within 24 h played. How long was it on Uthgard 2 if you switched realms? 4 weeks played? 6? 8? We should ask Relvinian.

Sun 9 Aug 2020 12:00 AM by mattymc

gruenesschaf wrote: ↑
Sat 8 Aug 2020 2:28 PM
A high realm timer / encouraging more realm loyalty would not necessarily have helped, the best case study for that was uthgard 2 hibernia.

A single fix wont fix what multiple decisions and 'things' caused....the GAME was designed to be RvR; it IS currently complete tasks and PvE keeps/towers and your rewards <read RP> are, for the most part, greater. If your goal is for people to fight each other, the greatest rewards should be for that <just as a simple example>; this would seem to necessitate significant rewards and punishments for grossly out of balance fights. My contention is the game, much like live, has lost sight of what it wants to achieve. Not easy, but a worthy goal.

Sun 9 Aug 2020 11:20 AM by Vkejai

gruenesschaf wrote: ↑
Sat 8 Aug 2020 2:28 PM
A high realm timer / encouraging more realm loyalty would not necessarily have helped, the best case study for that was uthgard 2 hibernia.

True , I think the task system change is the root problem here.

Sun 9 Aug 2020 11:30 AM by Noashakra

Vkejai wrote: ↑
Sun 9 Aug 2020 11:20 AM
gruenesschaf wrote: ↑
Sat 8 Aug 2020 2:28 PM
A high realm timer / encouraging more realm loyalty would not necessarily have helped, the best case study for that was uthgard 2 hibernia.

True , I think the task system change is the root problem here.

Explain why alb and hib are not doing the same...
If mid players prefer to make rps with flags instead of defending their realms, it's a people problem.

Sun 9 Aug 2020 12:09 PM by Vkejai

All realms do it, mids do it more .

Sun 9 Aug 2020 2:36 PM by mattymc

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Sun 9 Aug 2020 11:30 AM
Vkejai wrote: ↑
Sun 9 Aug 2020 11:20 AM
gruenesschaf wrote: ↑
Sat 8 Aug 2020 2:28 PM
A high realm timer / encouraging more realm loyalty would not necessarily have helped, the best case study for that was uthgard 2 hibernia.

True , I think the task system change is the root problem here.

Explain why alb and hib are not doing the same...
If mid players prefer to make rps with flags instead of defending their realms, it's a people problem.

Simple, you can make tremendous RP by PvE'ing keeps and towers; when you have a huge numbers advantage -- why not?? Plus you can pick up tasks as u go for added bonuses.
When Albs are outnumbered they do the same as Mids <BTW, the few times Hibbs are outnumbered, they do the same thing too --- they dont defend or do much but do tasks and run over less where they can find it>. It's what you want the game to be Vs What it is...

Sun 9 Aug 2020 3:08 PM by Noashakra

Excuses, excuses, excuses. Mid did it before, and is never really so underpop that it would be impossible for them to attack a ZF.
318 albs vs 294m vs 312 hibs connected atm.
It's just excuses.

Hib and alb have groups that run the tasks, but never a like mid...
Pilz is often connected and has always a bg taking keeps.
You need a leader, and maybe better realm mates. The devs can't help you.

Sun 9 Aug 2020 4:14 PM by joshisanonymous

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Sun 9 Aug 2020 3:08 PM
Excuses, excuses, excuses. Mid did it before, and is never really so underpop that it would be impossible for them to attack a ZF.
318 albs vs 294m vs 312 hibs connected atm.
It's just excuses.

Hib and alb have groups that run the tasks, but never a like mid...
Pilz is often connected and has always a bg taking keeps.
You need a leader, and maybe better realm mates. The devs can't help you.

I agree that this is much more about players the game design. When the OP posted, Mid had just lost a couple zerg guilds to Hib and along with them some BG leaders. We were basically down to Oadin during NA hours and no one who could really rally support during non-NA hours. Hib still had Pilz and along with some new BG leaders and Gio was still very active in Alb, and despite his personality, he's still good at getting people to follow him.

Now, at least one of those Mid guilds has come back to Mid, but they aren't leading BGs anymore, and Oadin is effectively gone because of school. The only Mid BG leader I've seen lately is Anataps, who is relatively new to Mid on this server.

I think it's just all these coincidental circumstances that have made Mid the weakest in the RvR game for so long. The devs have already made it clear that this has all resulted in Mid having lower numbers on average, too, since Mid is the first to get the new 25% RP bonus, so there's that anyway.

Sun 9 Aug 2020 4:55 PM by gotwqqd

mattymc wrote: ↑
Sun 9 Aug 2020 2:36 PM
Noashakra wrote: ↑
Sun 9 Aug 2020 11:30 AM
Vkejai wrote: ↑
Sun 9 Aug 2020 11:20 AM
gruenesschaf wrote: ↑
Sat 8 Aug 2020 2:28 PM
A high realm timer / encouraging more realm loyalty would not necessarily have helped, the best case study for that was uthgard 2 hibernia.

True , I think the task system change is the root problem here.

Explain why alb and hib are not doing the same...
If mid players prefer to make rps with flags instead of defending their realms, it's a people problem.
When Albs are outnumbered they do the same as Mids....

No
They go to Sidi

Sun 9 Aug 2020 7:15 PM by Loki

gruenesschaf wrote: ↑
Sat 8 Aug 2020 2:28 PM
A high realm timer / encouraging more realm loyalty would not necessarily have helped, the best case study for that was uthgard 2 hibernia.

This is an excuse, not a reason ... You know, like giving scouts a spammable root "because everyone has purge up" .

Sun 9 Aug 2020 9:56 PM by Gildar

Vkejai wrote: ↑
Sun 9 Aug 2020 11:20 AM
gruenesschaf wrote: ↑
Sat 8 Aug 2020 2:28 PM
A high realm timer / encouraging more realm loyalty would not necessarily have helped, the best case study for that was uthgard 2 hibernia.

True , I think the task system change is the root problem here.

Agree 100% ... task system and over all flag system is the root of problem.

If you cancel the kiddish flag game all that Mids have to go on Real rvr ... not zerging a little flag

Mon 10 Aug 2020 12:13 AM by mattymc

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Sun 9 Aug 2020 3:08 PM
Excuses, excuses, excuses. Mid did it before, and is never really so underpop that it would be impossible for them to attack a ZF.
318 albs vs 294m vs 312 hibs connected atm.
It's just excuses.

Hib and alb have groups that run the tasks, but never a like mid...
Pilz is often connected and has always a bg taking keeps.
You need a leader, and maybe better realm mates. The devs can't help you.

Pure Nonsense -- I log on all times of day and maybe once in 50 then above numbers are marginally accurate...Of course Pilz takes keeps --- against no one -- it's a lot of RPS for doing nothing -- part of the design problem. Look at the map all weekend -- THAT is what the DESIGN has wrought --- everything else pale's into insignificance; it's a 1 to 1.5 realm game with PvE or task for RP...not what DAOC was all about. Regardless of WHY --- this has been it for a long while. You have the players you have and it hasn't changed -- so perhaps, change the design to get what the purpose SHOULD be RvR -- or quit calling it an RvR game.

Mon 10 Aug 2020 12:41 AM by Helwyr

mattymc wrote: ↑
Mon 10 Aug 2020 12:13 AM
Pure Nonsense -- I log on all times of day and maybe once in 50 then above numbers are marginally accurate...Of course Pilz takes keeps --- against no one -- it's a lot of RPS for doing nothing -- part of the design problem. Look at the map all weekend -- THAT is what the DESIGN has wrought --- everything else pale's into insignificance; it's a 1 to 1.5 realm game with PvE or task for RP...not what DAOC was all about. Regardless of WHY --- this has been it for a long while. You have the players you have and it hasn't changed -- so perhaps, change the design to get what the purpose SHOULD be RvR -- or quit calling it an RvR game.

Well taking keeps/territory (and Relics) is the Realm vs Realm game, if they're empty of defenders that's hardly the fault of the attacking realm. But perhaps there does need to be more incentive to defend a keep or attack a well defended one. I could come up with several suggestions on changes but some people would have a fit because ultimately they're not interested in an RvR game, and that problem seems to be most acute in Midgard (but not exclusively that realms problem)

Mon 10 Aug 2020 4:28 AM by gotwqqd

Helwyr wrote: ↑
Mon 10 Aug 2020 12:41 AM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Mon 10 Aug 2020 12:13 AM
Pure Nonsense -- I log on all times of day and maybe once in 50 then above numbers are marginally accurate...Of course Pilz takes keeps --- against no one -- it's a lot of RPS for doing nothing -- part of the design problem. Look at the map all weekend -- THAT is what the DESIGN has wrought --- everything else pale's into insignificance; it's a 1 to 1.5 realm game with PvE or task for RP...not what DAOC was all about. Regardless of WHY --- this has been it for a long while. You have the players you have and it hasn't changed -- so perhaps, change the design to get what the purpose SHOULD be RvR -- or quit calling it an RvR game.

Well taking keeps/territory (and Relics) is the Realm vs Realm game, if they're empty of defenders that's hardly the fault of the attacking realm. But perhaps there does need to be more incentive to defend a keep or attack a well defended one. I could come up with several suggestions on changes but some people would have a fit because ultimately they're not interested in an RvR game, and that problem seems to be most acute in Midgard (but not exclusively that realms problem)

I’ll agree

I’d like to see more numerous realm defensive ticks

Mon 10 Aug 2020 4:36 AM by ExcretusMaximus

Remove ALL REALM POINT REWARDS from undefended objectives.

Quintuple realm point rewards for defended objectives.

There, now Pilz and his ilk will stop PvDoor zergs and actually look for fights, and maybe Midgardians will actually go defend something other than their own personal space.

Mon 10 Aug 2020 10:09 AM by Stoertebecker

Gildar wrote: ↑
Sun 9 Aug 2020 9:56 PM
Vkejai wrote: ↑
Sun 9 Aug 2020 11:20 AM
gruenesschaf wrote: ↑
Sat 8 Aug 2020 2:28 PM
A high realm timer / encouraging more realm loyalty would not necessarily have helped, the best case study for that was uthgard 2 hibernia.

True , I think the task system change is the root problem here.

Agree 100% ... task system and over all flag system is the root of problem.

If you cancel the kiddish flag game all that Mids have to go on Real rvr ... not zerging a little flag

Or they don`t rvr at all, even possible.

It just needs a leader to follow in Mid. Sometimes i miss Ein.

Mon 10 Aug 2020 1:36 PM by mattymc

gotwqqd wrote: ↑
Mon 10 Aug 2020 4:28 AM
Helwyr wrote: ↑
Mon 10 Aug 2020 12:41 AM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Mon 10 Aug 2020 12:13 AM
Pure Nonsense -- I log on all times of day and maybe once in 50 then above numbers are marginally accurate...Of course Pilz takes keeps --- against no one -- it's a lot of RPS for doing nothing -- part of the design problem. Look at the map all weekend -- THAT is what the DESIGN has wrought --- everything else pale's into insignificance; it's a 1 to 1.5 realm game with PvE or task for RP...not what DAOC was all about. Regardless of WHY --- this has been it for a long while. You have the players you have and it hasn't changed -- so perhaps, change the design to get what the purpose SHOULD be RvR -- or quit calling it an RvR game.

Well taking keeps/territory (and Relics) is the Realm vs Realm game, if they're empty of defenders that's hardly the fault of the attacking realm. But perhaps there does need to be more incentive to defend a keep or attack a well defended one. I could come up with several suggestions on changes but some people would have a fit because ultimately they're not interested in an RvR game, and that problem seems to be most acute in Midgard (but not exclusively that realms problem)

I’ll agree

I’d like to see more numerous realm defensive ticks

Certainly a start --- can't blame people for doing easy things to get RP; the game needs to incentive actual RvR---this could be one step.

Mon 10 Aug 2020 1:46 PM by gnefner

Stoertebecker wrote: ↑
Mon 10 Aug 2020 10:09 AM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Sun 9 Aug 2020 9:56 PM
Vkejai wrote: ↑
Sun 9 Aug 2020 11:20 AM
gruenesschaf wrote: ↑
Sat 8 Aug 2020 2:28 PM
A high realm timer / encouraging more realm loyalty would not necessarily have helped, the best case study for that was uthgard 2 hibernia.

True , I think the task system change is the root problem here.

Agree 100% ... task system and over all flag system is the root of problem.

If you cancel the kiddish flag game all that Mids have to go on Real rvr ... not zerging a little flag

Or they don`t rvr at all, even possible.

It just needs a leader to follow in Mid. Sometimes i miss Ein.

I miss Ein for the TG raids! Man.. I've been back on Mid for 3 weeks now, and haven't seen a single TG raid yet.. Decs tried twice, but never formed because people don't show, because there's no advertisement prior to him trying to form...

Mon 10 Aug 2020 2:46 PM by Stoertebecker

gnefner wrote: ↑
Mon 10 Aug 2020 1:46 PM
I miss Ein for the TG raids! Man.. I've been back on Mid for 3 weeks now, and haven't seen a single TG raid yet.. Decs tried twice, but never formed because people don't show, because there's no advertisement prior to him trying to form...

Ein is away for nearly a year and you still need feathers? Wtf?

We wiped the floor with the hibs nearly each time back in those days. Nearly each group had at least a skald, a shaman and a healer and maybe a bd. Not like this crap today.

He would never complain about rangers, he would say...next time we take more hunters with us, form 1-2 fg hunters and assist.

Mon 10 Aug 2020 4:46 PM by Ceseuron

ExcretusMaximus wrote: ↑
Mon 10 Aug 2020 4:36 AM
Remove ALL REALM POINT REWARDS from undefended objectives.

Quintuple realm point rewards for defended objectives.

There, now Pilz and his ilk will stop PvDoor zergs and actually look for fights, and maybe Midgardians will actually go defend something other than their own personal space.

Removing the incentive for Pilzpower to PVE his way to RR cap would be nice, but not likely to happen. It's obvious that the devs clearly favor Hibernia and the population shift currently underway on the server shows this.

/tradeorder pending

When I last checked, trade orders for plats from Alb to Hib were over 250 plat. Mid to Hib, almost 100 plat. There were no tradeorders for plat from Hib to Alb or Hib to Mid. In short, based on the money flow, it seems people are leaving Alb and Mid for Hib while nobody is leaving Hib for Alb or Mid.

I do agree, however, that there should be no RPs given for taking empty keeps and towers. Furthermore, it would be really nice if the devs would remove the "Capture and Hold" flag game from RVR. This is supposed to be DAOC RVR, not Team Fortress 2.

Mon 10 Aug 2020 8:57 PM by

Uthred

TsunamiSurprise wrote: ↑
Sat 30 Mar 2019 4:31 AM
At what point do Alb and Hib get beefed by the devs? Every time I check the numbers, the scales are hugely tipped (usually 25% alb, 25% hib, 50% mid for rps) for Mid.

It's not just the population. Due to no expansions (other than SI), mid has a clear advantage.
.....

From this old thread --> https://forum.playphoenix.online/server/tavern/7142-every-time-i-check-the-stats-mid-is-on-top-of-the-world

Ceseuron wrote: ↑
Mon 10 Aug 2020 4:46 PM
Removing the incentive for Pilzpower to PVE his way to RR cap would be nice, but not likely to happen. It's obvious that the devs clearly favor Hibernia and the population shift currently underway on the server shows this.
....

Times are changing, but it is always the DEVs fault. So at least we are consistent.

On a serious note, it is really interesting to read this old thread and what players thought at that time why Midgard was dominating and the other realms werent.

Mon 10 Aug 2020 9:13 PM by thirian24

Its honestly a shame to see all of you people blaming the DEV team for Hib domination atm. Are yall so small minded to not see that things change over time? Populations shift for many many reasons. At some point, 1 realm will dominate for a period of time, then it will shift again. Stop blaming the staff every time there is a population shift.

I do agree that there are some things in place that add to the fact that people just want to PvDoor, or zerg flags. But honestly, its a player mentality thing, not a staff issue.

Mon 10 Aug 2020 10:21 PM by Ceseuron

Uthred wrote: Times are changing, but it is always the DEVs fault. So at least we are consistent.

Welcome to the world of video games, chief. I worked for an AAA game studio for nearly three years as a systems engineer. If you were looking for a safe space, running a publicly available game server isn't it. Even if it is free. Also, this is DAOC, a game that holds a special place for a lot of people who are understandably passionate about it. Name me one other game that has an overall PVP endgame that is as meaningful as DAOC. A lot of us watched as Mythic rammed it down the tubes with TOA, the subsequent buyout of Mythic to EA, all the way up to what the current live game is now. Which, needless to say, is an absolute joke as the developers for DAOC Live have "improved' the game into an unplayable, empty mess.

Based on all available information at hand, and the silence from the devs regarding the issues in this thread, I'm also not sure how you can expect people not to come to these conclusions. The information on hand does indicate that developers appear to be favoring Hibernia, as evidenced by the population shifting to Hibernia (tradeorders), the deafening silence on the fact that you can basically PVDoor RVR and get more RPs than you would otherwise get from actual field engagements, the fact that the "Team Fortress 2" flag game is a fairly significant detractor from what DAOC RVR was meant to be, and so forth. But there isn't even a response of "Working as intended". Just crickets. If I recall correctly, back when Midgard was steamrolling everyone, there was an equal level of silence from the server devs while the forums lit up with the exact same complains of "Midgard is OP". Perhaps if the developers engaged more with the community at large and offered some insight into what their goals are instead of being virtually non-existent, we'd see some more productive discussions.

Lastly, I'm going to clarify something. I am not "blaming the devs" or suggesting there is "fault" here. All I've said is that it's obvious that developers are favoring Hibernia, because that's what the current information on hand makes it look like, just as similar information from back in 2019 made it look like the favor had shifted to Midgard. My commentary on the subject is not intended as an affront to the devs or intended to lay some sort of imagined blame at their feet. When an passionate community that loves DAOC as much as a lot of us do are coming onto these forums to discuss issues we're having and talk about the state of the game, I don't think the response from the devs should be "Gee, their just blaming the devs, as usual!"

In fact, I believe that I am safe in speaking on behalf of the majority of the player base, irrespective of their realm affiliation, when I say that we ALL have nothing less than the upmost respect and appreciation for all of the Phoenix server developers, the GMs, and the continuing effort and expense to make Phoenix a reality. 'Nuff said.

Mon 10 Aug 2020 10:42 PM by swap89

Ceseuron wrote: ↑
Mon 10 Aug 2020 4:46 PM
ExcretusMaximus wrote: ↑
Mon 10 Aug 2020 4:36 AM
Remove ALL REALM POINT REWARDS from undefended objectives.

Quintuple realm point rewards for defended objectives.

There, now Pilz and his ilk will stop PvDoor zergs and actually look for fights, and maybe Midgardians will actually go defend something other than their own personal space.

Removing the incentive for Pilzpower to PVE his way to RR cap would be nice, but not likely to happen. It's obvious that the devs clearly favor Hibernia and the population shift currently underway on the server shows this.

/tradeorder pending

When I last checked, trade orders for plats from Alb to Hib were over 250 plat. Mid to Hib, almost 100 plat. There were no tradeorders for plat from Hib to Alb or Hib to Mid. In short, based on the money flow, it seems people are leaving Alb and Mid for Hib while nobody is leaving Hib for Alb or Mid.

I do agree, however, that there should be no RPs given for taking empty keeps and towers. Furthermore, it would be really nice if the devs would remove the "Capture and Hold" flag game from RVR. This is supposed to be DAOC RVR, not Team Fortress 2.

are you so sure that when there is Pilz or when I do bg we take keep for the rp?
often in the last period we do it to force the enemies to do some battle.
we force inc to keep to do something.
what should we do to stop playing?
tonight I was happy to die inside the benowyc against 50 albion defending. Better to die like that than to kill 20vs80. At least it was fun.
I have to understand why you always complain as if ours were a fault, that of trying to engage in some battle.
We have 6 relics because since Polemus is on vacation you no longer defend or often make mistakes in doing so.
Sunday online in frontier 200 albs, 200mids, 230 hibs.
Monday albs and hibs same numbers, mid a little less.
then we do bg and go out to the border, 60-70,80. You too would have the numbers to do it.
but you are always 30.
Probably for example albion only follows polemus and joins the bg in large numbers only when he does them.
sunday morning bg mid attacked scathaig 3 times with 60 people 2 of them leaving the teleport open. dead in 2 minutes of course. it is not a matter that we were many, because as soon as they attacked I started bg and we were 2 groups. if you don't cut the teleport you die it seems clear to me.
This situation is not funny for us either, pilz logged out after 1 hour of play tonight, we continued a bit but it was frustrating.
so don't think that we have fun in this situation and that it is okay for us.
we want to have fun like you, but to do so we need enemies.

regards

Smap

Mon 10 Aug 2020 11:53 PM by mattymc

thirian24 wrote: ↑
Mon 10 Aug 2020 9:13 PM
Its honestly a shame to see all of you people blaming the DEV team for Hib domination atm. Are yall so small minded to not see that things change over time? Populations shift for many many reasons. At some point, 1 realm will dominate for a period of time, then it will shift again. Stop blaming the staff every time there is a population shift.

I do agree that there are some things in place that add to the fact that people just want to PvDoor, or zerg flags. But honestly, its a player mentality thing, not a staff issue.

It's more sad that you think it is about ALB, MID, or Hibb -- it's about game design and what has happened and how that differs from intent. It is or would be just as bad regardless of who was dominating.

If you will not manage numbers per realm then you have to make the game worthwhile for the down realms whoever they be --- THAT is a Dev problem.

Tue 11 Aug 2020 12:00 AM by swap89

mattymc wrote: ↑
Mon 10 Aug 2020 11:53 PM
thirian24 wrote: ↑
Mon 10 Aug 2020 9:13 PM
Its honestly a shame to see all of you people blaming the DEV team for Hib domination atm. Are yall so small minded to not see that things change over time? Populations shift for many many reasons. At some point, 1 realm will dominate for a period of time, then it will shift again. Stop blaming the staff every time there is a population shift.

I do agree that there are some things in place that add to the fact that people just want to PvDoor, or zerg flags. But honestly, its a player mentality thing, not a staff issue.

It's more sad that you think it is about ALB, MID, or Hibb -- it's about game design and what has happened and how that differs from intent. It is or would be just as bad regardless of who was dominating.

If you will not manage numbers per realm then you have to make the game worthwhile for the down realms whoever they be --- THAT is a Dev problem.

let me understand.
now we have to get to the point that those who work to have the frontier clean and take the keeps and relics of the other realms instead of having bonuses must have penalties?
.... it's so fun

Tue 11 Aug 2020 12:19 AM by Wakefield

Ceseuron wrote: ↑
Mon 10 Aug 2020 10:21 PM
Uthred wrote: Times are changing, but it is always the DEVs fault. So at least we are consistent.

Welcome to the world...

That was a long post but it was great. I deleted majority of it to not stretch the page out but by god, it sums up everything. Thank you for putting your point across

Tue 11 Aug 2020 12:42 AM by Thoralf1

Im not sure if you are serious in this posting. Of course you guys do it for the rps. Why else should you zerg on empty keeps/towers.
you dont try to engage in some battle you overrun your enemies
You quote sunday frontier numbers. maybe it was this count at this moment. When i look mostly its 180 albs 120 mids and 220 hibs and i saw it worse. Outside primetime its often 60 albs 50 mids and 120 hibs. Thats not your fault that you have the numbers but why you have to reraid all relics immediately after you lost some? Its your right to do so of course. A wise leader would have said let them albs and mids their relics so that they come out of their holes. Means maybe all those albs/mids switching to hib go home into their own realms. thats my advice if you really care for phoenix.
Hibernia has won Phoenix - your enemies are destroyed ... so now reset game to zero and start again!

[/quote]

are you so sure that when there is Pilz or when I do bg we take keep for the rp?
often in the last period we do it to force the enemies to do some battle.
we force inc to keep to do something.
what should we do to stop playing?
tonight I was happy to die inside the benowyc against 50 albion defending. Better to die like that than to kill 20vs80. At least it was fun.
I have to understand why you always complain as if ours were a fault, that of trying to engage in some battle.
We have 6 relics because since Polemus is on vacation you no longer defend or often make mistakes in doing so.
Sunday online in frontier 200 albs, 200mids, 230 hibs.
Monday albs and hibs same numbers, mid a little less.
then we do bg and go out to the border, 60-70,80. You too would have the numbers to do it.
but you are always 30.
Probably for example albion only follows polemus and joins the bg in large numbers only when he does them.
sunday morning bg mid attacked scathaig 3 times with 60 people 2 of them leaving the teleport open. dead in 2 minutes of course. it is not a matter that we were many, because as soon as they attacked I started bg and we were 2 groups. if you don't cut the teleport you die it seems clear to me.
This situation is not funny for us either, pilz logged out after 1 hour of play tonight, we continued a bit but it was frustrating.
so don't think that we have fun in this situation and that it is okay for us.
we want to have fun like you, but to do so we need enemies.

regards

Smap
[/quote]

Tue 11 Aug 2020 1:16 AM by Helwyr

Ceseuron wrote: ↑
Mon 10 Aug 2020 10:21 PM
Welcome to the world of video games, chief. I worked for an AAA game studio for nearly three years as a systems engineer. If you were looking for a safe space, running a publicly available game server isn't it. Even if it is free. Also, this is DAOC, a game that holds a special place for a lot of people who are understandably passionate about it. Name me one other game that has an overall PVP endgame that is as meaningful as DAOC. A lot of us watched as Mythic rammed it down the tubes with TOA, the subsequent buyout of Mythic to EA, all the way up to what the current live game is now. Which, needless to say, is an absolute joke as the developers for DAOC Live have "improved' the game into an unplayable, empty mess.

Based on all available information at hand, and the silence from the devs regarding the issues in this thread, I'm also not sure how you can expect people not to come to these conclusions. The information on hand does indicate that developers appear to be favoring Hibernia, as evidenced by the population shifting to Hibernia (tradeorders), the deafening silence on the fact that you can basically PVDoor RVR and get more RPs than you would otherwise get from actual field engagements, the fact that the "Team Fortress 2" flag game is a fairly significant detractor from what DAOC RVR was meant to be, and so forth. But there isn't even a response of "Working as intended". Just crickets. If I recall correctly, back when Midgard was steamrolling everyone, there was an equal level of silence from the server devs while the forums lit up with the exact same complains of "Midgard is OP". Perhaps if the developers engaged more with the community at large and offered some insight into what their goals are instead of being virtually non-existent, we'd see some more productive discussions.

Lastly, I'm going to clarify something. I am not "blaming the devs" or suggesting there is "fault" here. All I've said is that it's obvious that developers are favoring Hibernia, because that's what the current information on hand makes it look like, just as similar information from back in 2019 made it look like the favor had shifted to Midgard. My commentary on the subject is not intended as an affront to the devs or intended to lay some sort of imagined blame at their feet. When an passionate community that loves DAOC as much as a lot of us do are coming onto these forums to discuss issues we're having and talk about the state of the game, I don't think the response from the devs should be "Gee, their just blaming the devs, as usual!"

In fact, I believe that I am safe in speaking on behalf of the majority of the player base, irrespective of their realm affiliation, when I say that we ALL have nothing less than the upmost respect and appreciation for all of the Phoenix server developers, the GMs, and the continuing effort and expense to make Phoenix a reality. 'Nuff said.

In terms of games that had more meaningful PvP endgame than DAoC, I could name not just one but a few.. Shadowbane, Darkfall, and EVE for example. But all three suffered even worse from some of the issues DAoC does, because of that fact. Bandwagoning to the winning side being a particularly acute problem.

But the primary reason for responding to your post is this repeated claim that the Phoenix developers favor Hibernia. But where is your evidence of this? The only evidence you point to is that Hibernia is currently dominating and there's a migration to Hibernia because of this state of affairs (The bandwagoners). But why is Hibernia winning? There aren't any recent changes to the game that give Hibernia the edge are there? I'm certainly not aware of any. Maybe some credit for Hibernia's success ought to be given to their BG leaders and a population that more or less cooperates. Both Midgard and Albion do really well whenever they all get together under a decent BG leader as well. I just don't see any evidence of the current Realm balance having anything to do with game mechanics of the Dev team favoring any Realm, but rather the current dynamics of players and realm leadership. There's only one thing I'd place at the Devs feet in regard to the current situation and that's allowing players to switch realms so easily, and that's not really the cause just a major aggravating factor.

Tue 11 Aug 2020 1:18 AM by mattymc

swap89 wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 12:00 AM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Mon 10 Aug 2020 11:53 PM
thirian24 wrote: ↑
Mon 10 Aug 2020 9:13 PM
Its honestly a shame to see all of you people blaming the DEV team for Hib domination atm. Are yall so small minded to not see that things change over time? Populations shift for many many reasons. At some point, 1 realm will dominate for a period of time, then it will shift again. Stop blaming the staff every time there is a population shift.

I do agree that there are some things in place that add to the fact that people just want to PvDoor, or zerg flags. But honestly, its a player mentality thing, not a staff issue.

It's more sad that you think it is about ALB, MID, or Hibb -- it's about game design and what has happened and how that differs from intent. It is or would be just as bad regardless of who was dominating.

If you will not manage numbers per realm then you have to make the game worthwhile for the down realms whoever they be --- THAT is a Dev problem.

let me understand.
now we have to get to the point that those who work to have the frontier clean and take the keeps and relics of the other realms instead of having bonuses must have penalties?
.... it's so fun

I dont think it's possible for you to understand. PvE is not RvR so why do you get RP for it?? Just one of myriad options --- starting to sink in???

Tue 11 Aug 2020 2:38 AM by Helwyr

mattymc wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 1:18 AM
I dont think it's possible for you to understand. PvE is not RvR so why do you get RP for it?? Just one of myriad options --- starting to sink in???

It's probably worthwhile clarifying terminology, because RvR (Realm vs Realm) is not exactly the same as PvP (Player vs Player). NPCs, territory including keeps and towers are also part of the Realm, not just players which is all that encompasses the term PvP. So technically Player vs Environment (PvE) can be RvR but it is done so in a gaming environment that is also PvP. None of which is to say your wrong in claiming attacking empty (or mostly empty) towers and keeps isn't great gameplay, but it is RvR.

Which also points to a big part why Midgard isn't doing too well atm, for whatever reason it seems to be a realm much more heavily stacked with players than the other two realms who wish to ignore large parts of DAoCs RvR gameplay, and instead want to focus on group vs group PvP and flag captures. And in so doing leave lots of mostly empty towers and keeps for enemy realms to take.

Tue 11 Aug 2020 5:19 AM by swap89

mattymc wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 1:18 AM
swap89 wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 12:00 AM
mattymc wrote: ↑
Mon 10 Aug 2020 11:53 PM
thirian24 wrote: ↑
Mon 10 Aug 2020 9:13 PM
Its honestly a shame to see all of you people blaming the DEV team for Hib domination atm. Are yall so small minded to not see that things change over time? Populations shift for many many reasons. At some point, 1 realm will dominate for a period of time, then it will shift again. Stop blaming the staff every time there is a population shift.

I do agree that there are some things in place that add to the fact that people just want to PvDoor, or zerg flags. But honestly, its a player mentality thing, not a staff issue.

It's more sad that you think it is about ALB, MID, or Hibb -- it's about game design and what has happened and how that differs from intent. It is or would be just as bad regardless of who was dominating.

If you will not manage numbers per realm then you have to make the game worthwhile for the down realms whoever they be --- THAT is a Dev problem.

let me understand.
now we have to get to the point that those who work to have the frontier clean and take the keeps and relics of the other realms instead of having bonuses must have penalties?
.... it's so fun
I dont think it's possible for you to understand. PvE is not RvR so why do you get RP for it?? Just one of myriad options --- starting to sink in???

would do the same thing even if the keeps paid 0 rp.
I like to besiege the keep and maybe have a battle there.
I like having the green border and the others with some of our keeps.
so for me it's not a rp problem.
Maybe the problem is the tasks, because I understand that for many, RP is the basis of the game.
if you want to do 8v8 you are free to do it.But what interest do people have in defending the border if you take millions of RPs by doing the tasks? ... the bg dies and goes badly then I go to do tasks and amen instead of defending better.

Tue 11 Aug 2020 5:34 AM by swap89

Thoralf1 wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 12:42 AM
Im not sure if you are serious in this posting. Of course you guys do it for the rps. Why else should you zerg on empty keeps/towers.
you dont try to engage in some battle you overrun your enemies
You quote sunday frontier numbers. maybe it was this count at this moment. When i look mostly its 180 albs 120 mids and 220 hibs and i saw it worse. Outside primetime its often 60 albs 50 mids and 120 hibs. Thats not your fault that you have the numbers but why you have to reraid all relics immediately after you lost some? Its your right to do so of course. A wise leader would have said let them albs and mids their relics so that they come out of their holes. Means maybe all those albs/mids switching to hib go home into their own realms. thats my advice if you really care for phoenix.
Hibernia has won Phoenix - your enemies are destroyed ... so now reset game to zero and start again!

are you so sure that when there is Pilz or when I do bg we take keep for the rp?
often in the last period we do it to force the enemies to do some battle.
we force inc to keep to do something.
what should we do to stop playing?
tonight I was happy to die inside the benowyc against 50 albion defending. Better to die like that than to kill 20vs80. At least it was fun.
I have to understand why you always complain as if ours were a fault, that of trying to engage in some battle.
We have 6 relics because since Polemus is on vacation you no longer defend or often make mistakes in doing so.
Sunday online in frontier 200 albs, 200mids, 230 hibs.
Monday albs and hibs same numbers, mid a little less.
then we do bg and go out to the border, 60-70,80. You too would have the numbers to do it.
but you are always 30.
Probably for example albion only follows polemus and joins the bg in large numbers only when he does them.
sunday morning bg mid attacked scathaig 3 times with 60 people 2 of them leaving the teleport open. dead in 2 minutes of course. it is not a matter that we were many, because as soon as they attacked I started bg and we were 2 groups. if you don't cut the teleport you die it seems clear to me.
This situation is not funny for us either, pilz logged out after 1 hour of play tonight, we continued a bit but it was frustrating.
so don't think that we have fun in this situation and that it is okay for us.
we want to have fun like you, but to do so we need enemies.

regards

Smap
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[/quote]
that is, the problem is ours that we attack them now .... AND WHY DO YOU NOT DEFEND THEM?
to defend a keep when 100 attack, 40-50 people are enough.
if I lose the relic I try to take it back as soon as I can.
if I start losing keeps that gate open, I start defending them right away.
I don't lock myself in the last keep. If I can't kill you, at least I slow you down a bit hoping more people come to help.
It's funny to hear that because you don't defend then we don't have to attack.
no one hides that hibernia has more numbers now, not so much in the population but in the people who join the bg.
But you didn't do anything to make it not happen.

Tue 11 Aug 2020 5:43 AM by swap89

that is, you are saying that we must stop defending because at least you take back the relics. are you asking for charity?
what should we get them from the keeps and leave them at the dock ?.
I don't like having 6 relics, because I don't like attacking a realm with zero relics. In this situation I would like to defend. But you don't do anything serious or when you do it you do it badly.
so the only way to play is to try to take keeps and look for battles in there.
.... I hope you wake up and take back 2-3 relics at least, so maybe we have something more fun to do and hope that this situation has learn you to defend them

Tue 11 Aug 2020 7:23 AM by Noashakra

Taking keeps is not rvr... It shows you the level of thinking of the people who cry non stop here...

Tue 11 Aug 2020 7:36 AM by inoeth

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 7:23 AM
Taking keeps is not rvr... It shows you the level of thinking of the people who cry non stop here...

true, its meant to create short cuts to where the action is and to change the location sometimes so you dont have to roam the same zone over and over.
but thanks to the task system and rp for doors ppl just raid keeps because you gain most rp there.

back on live a realm raided just one keep like hibs took nottmore and then the whole weekend there were open field fights between bled and nott, nobody cared about other keeps.
the only time more keeps were raided was when there was the intention to do a relic raid.

at least this was the case on german servers

Tue 11 Aug 2020 7:51 AM by Noashakra

Don't get me wrong, I am pissed as a solo when Pilz destroys the ZF.
But crying about it and saying it isn't rvr is ludicrous.

Tue 11 Aug 2020 8:34 AM by Thoralf1

actually 56albs 39mids and 81hibs in the frontier.
And yes it has to do with some latest actions .....

Tue 11 Aug 2020 9:04 AM by gnefner

swap89 wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 5:34 AM
Thoralf1 wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 12:42 AM
Im not sure if you are serious in this posting. Of course you guys do it for the rps. Why else should you zerg on empty keeps/towers.
you dont try to engage in some battle you overrun your enemies
You quote sunday frontier numbers. maybe it was this count at this moment. When i look mostly its 180 albs 120 mids and 220 hibs and i saw it worse. Outside primetime its often 60 albs 50 mids and 120 hibs. Thats not your fault that you have the numbers but why you have to reraid all relics immediately after you lost some? Its your right to do so of course. A wise leader would have said let them albs and mids their relics so that they come out of their holes. Means maybe all those albs/mids switching to hib go home into their own realms. thats my advice if you really care for phoenix.
Hibernia has won Phoenix - your enemies are destroyed ... so now reset game to zero and start again!

are you so sure that when there is Pilz or when I do bg we take keep for the rp?
often in the last period we do it to force the enemies to do some battle.
we force inc to keep to do something.
what should we do to stop playing?
tonight I was happy to die inside the benowyc against 50 albion defending. Better to die like that than to kill 20vs80. At least it was fun.
I have to understand why you always complain as if ours were a fault, that of trying to engage in some battle.
We have 6 relics because since Polemus is on vacation you no longer defend or often make mistakes in doing so.
Sunday online in frontier 200 albs, 200mids, 230 hibs.
Monday albs and hibs same numbers, mid a little less.
then we do bg and go out to the border, 60-70,80. You too would have the numbers to do it.
but you are always 30.
Probably for example albion only follows polemus and joins the bg in large numbers only when he does them.
sunday morning bg mid attacked scathaig 3 times with 60 people 2 of them leaving the teleport open. dead in 2 minutes of course. it is not a matter that we were many, because as soon as they attacked I started bg and we were 2 groups. if you don't cut the teleport you die it seems clear to me.
This situation is not funny for us either, pilz logged out after 1 hour of play tonight, we continued a bit but it was frustrating.
so don't think that we have fun in this situation and that it is okay for us.
we want to have fun like you, but to do so we need enemies.

regards

Smap

[/quote]
that is, the problem is ours that we attack them now .... AND WHY DO YOU NOT DEFEND THEM?
to defend a keep when 100 attack, 40-50 people are enough.
if I lose the relic I try to take it back as soon as I can.
if I start losing keeps that gate open, I start defending them right away.
I don't lock myself in the last keep. If I can't kill you, at least I slow you down a bit hoping more people come to help.
It's funny to hear that because you don't defend then we don't have to attack.
no one hides that hibernia has more numbers now, not so much in the population but in the people who join the bg.
But you didn't do anything to make it not happen.
[/quote]

Clearly you have no experience in defending against Hibs, with twice your numbers.. It's useless. When people have failed to defend 2-3 times in a row against your ridiculously large zerg - they give up... I myself have joined the group of people who just smallman and 8man, I know.. not part of the solution at all, but bashing your head against hordes of green every day, and dieing horribly is just not fun in the long run, at all...

Tue 11 Aug 2020 9:06 AM by gnefner

swap89 wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 5:43 AM
that is, you are saying that we must stop defending because at least you take back the relics. are you asking for charity?
what should we get them from the keeps and leave them at the dock ?.
I don't like having 6 relics, because I don't like attacking a realm with zero relics. In this situation I would like to defend. But you don't do anything serious or when you do it you do it badly.
so the only way to play is to try to take keeps and look for battles in there.
.... I hope you wake up and take back 2-3 relics at least, so maybe we have something more fun to do and hope that this situation has learn you to defend them

Maybe you should take half your following to another realm (Mid for example) and show people how to zerg then.. Be a part of the solution, instead of hammering down the underdog every day

Tue 11 Aug 2020 9:23 AM by swap89

gnefner wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 9:06 AM
swap89 wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 5:43 AM
that is, you are saying that we must stop defending because at least you take back the relics. are you asking for charity?
what should we get them from the keeps and leave them at the dock ?.
I don't like having 6 relics, because I don't like attacking a realm with zero relics. In this situation I would like to defend. But you don't do anything serious or when you do it you do it badly.
so the only way to play is to try to take keeps and look for battles in there.
.... I hope you wake up and take back 2-3 relics at least, so maybe we have something more fun to do and hope that this situation has learn you to defend them

Maybe you should take half your following to another realm (Mid for example) and show people how to zerg then.. Be a part of the solution, instead of hammering down the underdog every day

i play hibernia.
I did it when we had 0 relic and we were sitting inside the keeps, I do it now, and I will do it when surely the situation changes.
I can't help it if people are losers and follow the realm with the relics ... if they go to play where the situation is best instead of doing something to improve it.
GMs have to find a solution to the problem.
I would have the solution. I LOVE the old daoc.
if you want to change realm DELETE the pg.
so people think twice before following the relics, and maybe they do something for their realm.

Tue 11 Aug 2020 10:19 AM by Thoralf1

swap89 wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 5:43 AM
that is, you are saying that we must stop defending because at least you take back the relics. are you asking for charity?
what should we get them from the keeps and leave them at the dock ?.
I don't like having 6 relics, because I don't like attacking a realm with zero relics. In this situation I would like to defend. But you don't do anything serious or when you do it you do it badly.
so the only way to play is to try to take keeps and look for battles in there.
.... I hope you wake up and take back 2-3 relics at least, so maybe we have something more fun to do and hope that this situation has learn you to defend them

I have given an advice not asking for charity but you dont like to discuss the problem nor like to find a solution.
And its not me crying that i dont find enemies it was your zergleader who cried not finding enemies.
Show me how you reraid with 45 ppl in frontier and a total of 124 players against 66 ppl and 162 players.
You guys yourself said you only need half of ppl to defend ... so dont wonder if you wont find anyone soon.
I just had to laugh i thought on hibernian zombies walking around in hordes looking for a mid or alb to slaughter (btw. had this already today for more then a handfull times). Even in a even fight that you guys would have won some more guys jumped in to get a piece of us 3 mids.

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Tue 11 Aug 2020 10:52 AM by gnefner

swap89 wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 9:23 AM
gnefner wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 9:06 AM
swap89 wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 5:43 AM
that is, you are saying that we must stop defending because at least you take back the relics. are you asking for charity?
what should we get them from the keeps and leave them at the dock ?.
I don't like having 6 relics, because I don't like attacking a realm with zero relics. In this situation I would like to defend. But you don't do anything serious or when you do it you do it badly.
so the only way to play is to try to take keeps and look for battles in there.
.... I hope you wake up and take back 2-3 relics at least, so maybe we have something more fun to do and hope that this situation has learn you to defend them

Maybe you should take half your following to another realm (Mid for example) and show people how to zerg then.. Be a part of the solution, instead of hammering down the underdog every day

i play hibernia.
I did it when we had 0 relic and we were sitting inside the keeps, I do it now, and I will do it when surely the situation changes.
I can't help it if people are losers and follow the realm with the relics ... if they go to play where the situation is best instead of doing something to improve it.
GMs have to find a solution to the problem.
I would have the solution. I LOVE the old daoc.
if you want to change realm DELETE the pg.
so people think twice before following the relics, and maybe they do something for their realm.

i know you do, as do half the servers population soon, it seems... And as long as you keep doing what you do, that won't change. Soon there will be no Mids left to do anything, even if we wanted, cause they all jump ship and join the 24/7 Hib zerg. It was just a suggestion

But honestly, what I don't understand is. You say yourself that the situation right now is boring, and you have nothing to fight.. But you too, refuse to try and remedy/help the situation, by maybe trying something else. You keep doing what you do, you keep hitting empty keeps, all day, even though it yields no satisfaction, you said this yourself..

Tue 11 Aug 2020 11:08 AM by swap89

gnefner wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 10:52 AM
swap89 wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 9:23 AM
gnefner wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 9:06 AM
swap89 wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 5:43 AM
that is, you are saying that we must stop defending because at least you take back the relics. are you asking for charity?
what should we get them from the keeps and leave them at the dock ?.
I don't like having 6 relics, because I don't like attacking a realm with zero relics. In this situation I would like to defend. But you don't do anything serious or when you do it you do it badly.
so the only way to play is to try to take keeps and look for battles in there.
.... I hope you wake up and take back 2-3 relics at least, so maybe we have something more fun to do and hope that this situation has learn you to defend them

Maybe you should take half your following to another realm (Mid for example) and show people how to zerg then.. Be a part of the solution, instead of hammering down the underdog every day

i play hibernia.
I did it when we had 0 relic and we were sitting inside the keeps, I do it now, and I will do it when surely the situation changes.
I can't help it if people are losers and follow the realm with the relics ... if they go to play where the situation is best instead of doing something to improve it.
GMs have to find a solution to the problem.
I would have the solution. I LOVE the old daoc.
if you want to change realm DELETE the pg.
so people think twice before following the relics, and maybe they do something for their realm.

i know you do, as do half the servers population soon, it seems... And as long as you keep doing what you do, that won't change. Soon there will be no Mids left to do anything, even if we wanted, cause they all jump ship and join the 24/7 Hib zerg. It was just a suggestion
But honestly, what I don't understand is. You say yourself that the situation right now is boring, and you have nothing to fight.. But you too, refuse to try and remedy/help the situation, by maybe trying something else. You keep doing what you do, you keep hitting empty keeps, all day, even though it yields no satisfaction, you said this yourself..

for this I said that the realm timer should be changed. at least to 48h.
for the simple reason that if one realm conquers all the relics the other realms still have 48 hours to try to do something until the losing relic followers change realm.
it's an idea, right or wrong, but something in my opinion could change.

Tue 11 Aug 2020 12:12 PM by Gildar

swap89 wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 9:23 AM
gnefner wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 9:06 AM
swap89 wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 5:43 AM
that is, you are saying that we must stop defending because at least you take back the relics. are you asking for charity?
what should we get them from the keeps and leave them at the dock ?.
I don't like having 6 relics, because I don't like attacking a realm with zero relics. In this situation I would like to defend. But you don't do anything serious or when you do it you do it badly.
so the only way to play is to try to take keeps and look for battles in there.
.... I hope you wake up and take back 2-3 relics at least, so maybe we have something more fun to do and hope that this situation has learn you to defend them

Maybe you should take half your following to another realm (Mid for example) and show people how to zerg then.. Be a part of the solution, instead of hammering down the underdog every day

i play hibernia.
I did it when we had 0 relic and we were sitting inside the keeps, I do it now, and I will do it when surely the situation changes.
I can't help it if people are losers and follow the realm with the relics ... if they go to play where the situation is best instead of doing something to improve it.
GMs have to find a solution to the problem.
I would have the solution. I LOVE the old daoc.
if you want to change realm DELETE the pg.
so people think twice before following the relics, and maybe they do something for their realm.

Smap is right guys....

The problem is realm hoppers... that loosers follow the winning side... but they can only because there is a ridicolous Realm Timer ... i also love the old daoc ... wanna change Realm ? Have to delete ...
If not ... raise to 48h the timer to switch.

Tue 11 Aug 2020 12:16 PM by gnefner

swap89 wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 11:08 AM
gnefner wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 10:52 AM
swap89 wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 9:23 AM
gnefner wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 9:06 AM
swap89 wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 5:43 AM
that is, you are saying that we must stop defending because at least you take back the relics. are you asking for charity?
what should we get them from the keeps and leave them at the dock ?.
I don't like having 6 relics, because I don't like attacking a realm with zero relics. In this situation I would like to defend. But you don't do anything serious or when you do it you do it badly.
so the only way to play is to try to take keeps and look for battles in there.
.... I hope you wake up and take back 2-3 relics at least, so maybe we have something more fun to do and hope that this situation has learn you to defend them

Maybe you should take half your following to another realm (Mid for example) and show people how to zerg then.. Be a part of the solution, instead of hammering down the underdog every day

i play hibernia.
I did it when we had 0 relic and we were sitting inside the keeps, I do it now, and I will do it when surely the situation changes.
I can't help it if people are losers and follow the realm with the relics ... if they go to play where the situation is best instead of doing something to improve it.
GMs have to find a solution to the problem.
I would have the solution. I LOVE the old daoc.
if you want to change realm DELETE the pg.
so people think twice before following the relics, and maybe they do something for their realm.

i know you do, as do half the servers population soon, it seems... And as long as you keep doing what you do, that won't change. Soon there will be no Mids left to do anything, even if we wanted, cause they all jump ship and join the 24/7 Hib zerg. It was just a suggestion
But honestly, what I don't understand is. You say yourself that the situation right now is boring, and you have nothing to fight.. But you too, refuse to try and remedy/help the situation, by maybe trying something else. You keep doing what you do, you keep hitting empty keeps, all day, even though it yields no satisfaction, you said this yourself..

for this I said that the realm timer should be changed. at least to 48h.
for the simple reason that if one realm conquers all the relics the other realms still have 48 hours to try to do something until the losing relic followers change realm.
it's an idea, right or wrong, but something in my opinion could change.

Something SHOULD change.. But even a 48 hour realmtimer, won't stop the masses to change to Hib.. But I agree, something needs to be done.

Tue 11 Aug 2020 12:16 PM by Gildar

Helwyr wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 1:16 AM
Ceseuron wrote: ↑
Mon 10 Aug 2020 10:21 PM
Welcome to the world of video games, chief....

In terms of games that had more meaningful PvP endgame than DAoC, I could name not just one but a few.. Shadowbane, Darkfall, and EVE for example. But all three suffered even worse from some of the issues DAoC does, because of that fact. Bandwagoning to the winning side being a particularly acute problem.

But the primary reason for responding to your post is this repeated claim that the Phoenix developers favor Hibernia. But where is your evidence of this? The only evidence you point to is that Hibernia is currently dominating and there's a migration to Hibernia because of this state of affairs (The bandwagoners). But why is Hibernia winning? There aren't any recent changes to the game that give Hibernia the edge are there? I'm certainly not aware of any. Maybe some credit for Hibernia's success ought to be given to their BG leaders and a population that more or less cooperates. Both Midgard and Albion do really well whenever they all get together under a decent BG leader as well. I just don't see any evidence of the current Realm balance having anything to do with game mechanics of the Dev team favoring any Realm, but rather the current dynamics of players and realm leadership. There's only one thing I'd place at the Devs feet in regard to the current situation and that's allowing players to switch realms so easily, and that's not really the cause just a major aggravating .

I Agree with above.

Hib success depends in large part by they BG leaders ... Pilz, Samp and Gilboom ... many people trust in them an follow the BG.
100 Hibs toons 50 online ? 80 follow and, above all, LISTEN the leader.

On Alb, Polemo apart, 100 toons 50 ... 30 follow ... and 15 DONT listen LOL.

Mid ... Mid have a BG ????

Tue 11 Aug 2020 12:17 PM by gnefner

Gildar wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 12:12 PM
swap89 wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 9:23 AM
gnefner wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 9:06 AM
swap89 wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 5:43 AM
that is, you are saying that we must stop defending because at least you take back the relics. are you asking for charity?
what should we get them from the keeps and leave them at the dock ?.
I don't like having 6 relics, because I don't like attacking a realm with zero relics. In this situation I would like to defend. But you don't do anything serious or when you do it you do it badly.
so the only way to play is to try to take keeps and look for battles in there.
.... I hope you wake up and take back 2-3 relics at least, so maybe we have something more fun to do and hope that this situation has learn you to defend them

Maybe you should take half your following to another realm (Mid for example) and show people how to zerg then.. Be a part of the solution, instead of hammering down the underdog every day

i play hibernia.
I did it when we had 0 relic and we were sitting inside the keeps, I do it now, and I will do it when surely the situation changes.
I can't help it if people are losers and follow the realm with the relics ... if they go to play where the situation is best instead of doing something to improve it.
GMs have to find a solution to the problem.
I would have the solution. I LOVE the old daoc.
if you want to change realm DELETE the pg.
so people think twice before following the relics, and maybe they do something for their realm.

Smap is right guys....

The problem is realm hoppers... that loosers follow the winning side... but they can only because there is a ridicolous Realm Timer ... i also love the old daoc ... wanna change Realm ? Have to delete ...
If not ... raise to 48h the timer to switch.

Havign to delete is a stupid solution.. Not being able to play anyother realm, is not the way. back in the day on live you could play all realms, cause there were many servers.. Here we only have one, therefor there NEEDS to be the possibility to change realm.. But ya, something needs to be done to the realm timer, I agree.

Tue 11 Aug 2020 1:23 PM by Shamissa

Smap and Pilz are Herorius from DAOC live they hit empty keeps all day just for pleasure.
Let them have it all imo , the way GM’s are favoring Hibernia, folks who came from Daoc live should go back at least they have free acct and dont have to deal with this crap over here. Plus the pop over there are increasing due to Phoenix banning so many folks without even reconsider a 2nd chance. And GM’s can be rude not listening anyways.

Good luck you all

Tue 11 Aug 2020 1:26 PM by inoeth

Shamissa wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 1:23 PM
Smap and Pilz are Herorius from DAOC live they hit empty keeps all day just for pleasure.
Let them have it all imo , the way GM’s are favoring Hibernia, folks who came from Daoc live should go back at least they have free acct and dont have to deal with this crap over here. Plus the pop over there are increasing due to Phoenix banning so many folks without even reconsider a 2nd chance. And GM’s can be rude not listening anyways.

Good luck you all

yeah good luck with all the cheaters on live lul

Tue 11 Aug 2020 1:29 PM by gnefner

Shamissa wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 1:23 PM
Smap and Pilz are Herorius from DAOC live they hit empty keeps all day just for pleasure.
Let them have it all imo , the way GM’s are favoring Hibernia, folks who came from Daoc live should go back at least they have free acct and dont have to deal with this crap over here. Plus the pop over there are increasing due to Phoenix banning so many folks without even reconsider a 2nd chance. And GM’s can be rude not listening anyways.

Good luck you all

Pretty sure live pop is not increasing

I gave live a shot, and closed my accounts again after 3 weeks.. That place is utter garbage. There's still alot more people who play here, and the server is great in so many ways.. The issues right now is Mids not having a leader, and losing all their players because of it..

Tue 11 Aug 2020 2:03 PM by tyrantanic

Shamissa wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 1:23 PM
Smap and Pilz are Herorius from DAOC live they hit empty keeps all day just for pleasure.
Let them have it all imo , the way GM’s are favoring Hibernia, folks who came from Daoc live should go back at least they have free acct and dont have to deal with this crap over here. Plus the pop over there are increasing due to Phoenix banning so many folks without even reconsider a 2nd chance. And GM’s can be rude not listening anyways.

Good luck you all

Based on the Excidio herald data, Live population has been decreasing for a few months and is about where it was at around the time EC released. EU prime is still dominated by Herorius. NA prime is better in terms of BG play but that's all there is anymore. Zergs are 40+ players on Live and never get close to the 100+ we see here.

Regarding keep defense here....no one coordinates. Siege is the best tool to use against a larger zerg and I only see one or two catapults in a court yard NOT assisting. It's literally a game changer. Use the tools at your disposal please and stop expecting divine intervention to save you.

Tue 11 Aug 2020 2:15 PM by Valaraukar

And again many posts here are missing the point... the balance of classes between realms.

For the very last time I'll try to explain (but it will be useless, I know). Playing Mid in BG is BORING. The best classes are MeleeDPS, with no AoE. SMs have been nerfed (remember the pet nerf?). BD have been twice nerfed (remember the pet nerf and the LT nerf?). RM is the only one that has a good chance in AoE (along with thanes), but if a RM spec AoE is quite useless in everything else (and.. it does not have a pet, does not have a baseline stun, it must choose to run pbt or speed, it has to face tons of pets against Albs and also Hibs, all things that make it anyway under par with Hibs casters).

The class balance is BROKEN right now in Phoenix. Especially regarding zerg fighting, this is the root cause, this is why Hibs have all the relics (absolutely not for the grand strategy of their BG leaders, they just do what must be done) and this is why people from both Mid and Alb are switching to Hib. Everything else is a mistification of reality meant to keep the current status quo, so Hib can keep farmin RPs against doors and against half-numbered enemy BGs.

And let me say... THIS is the real concern about Devs. I don't believe that they favoured Hib intentionally, at all, but their mistake is that the many changes in the last months have created this situation, and it won't be solved by a %bonus to Mid. You need to get back the fun of fighting other realms, especially in big fights, not the boring chain rell mechanism of target stun nuke nuke nuke, rinse and repeat with some hecking blue mushrooms rooting a lvl 50 full templated toon for 1 minute. This is insane, and THIS is why Hib is winning all the frontier now.

Tue 11 Aug 2020 2:49 PM by mattymc

Valaraukar wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 2:15 PM
And again many posts here are missing the point... the balance of classes between realms.

For the very last time I'll try to explain (but it will be useless, I know). Playing Mid in BG is BORING. The best classes are MeleeDPS, with no AoE. SMs have been nerfed (remember the pet nerf?). BD have been twice nerfed (remember the pet nerf and the LT nerf?). RM is the only one that has a good chance in AoE (along with thanes), but if a RM spec AoE is quite useless in everything else (and.. it does not have a pet, does not have a baseline stun, it must choose to run pbt or speed, it has to face tons of pets against Albs and also Hibs, all things that make it anyway under par with Hibs casters).

The class balance is BROKEN right now in Phoenix. Especially regarding zerg fighting, this is the root cause, this is why Hibs have all the relics (absolutely not for the grand strategy of their BG leaders, they just do what must be done) and this is why people from both Mid and Alb are switching to Hib. Everything else is a mistification of reality meant to keep the current status quo, so Hib can keep farmin RPs against doors and against half-numbered enemy BGs.

And let me say... THIS is the real concern about Devs. I don't believe that they favoured Hib intentionally, at all, but their mistake is that the many changes in the last months have created this situation, and it won't be solved by a %bonus to Mid. You need to get back the fun of fighting other realms, especially in big fights, not the boring chain rell mechanism of target stun nuke nuke nuke, rinse and repeat with some hecking blue mushrooms rooting a lvl 50 full templated toon for 1 minute. This is insane, and THIS is why Hib is winning all the frontier now.

While I don't argue your pointsbecause there were a LOT of craptastic decisions made --- the BD started off with it's heal pets nerfed so it's been tripled nerfed at least....even so Mid can compete <with near numbers> but need to change group make ups to take full advantage of what Mid CAN do.

Tue 11 Aug 2020 3:54 PM by swap89

Shamissa wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 1:23 PM
Smap and Pilz are Herorius from DAOC live they hit empty keeps all day just for pleasure.
Let them have it all imo , the way GM’s are favoring Hibernia, folks who came from Daoc live should go back at least they have free acct and dont have to deal with this crap over here. Plus the pop over there are increasing due to Phoenix banning so many folks without even reconsider a 2nd chance. And GM’s can be rude not listening anyways.

Good luck you all

we don't like to attack empty keeps.
but being the only thing to do since you like to do tasks or 8v8 instead of defending them we adapt

Tue 11 Aug 2020 4:20 PM by mattymc

Uthred wrote: ↑
Mon 10 Aug 2020 8:57 PM
TsunamiSurprise wrote: ↑
Sat 30 Mar 2019 4:31 AM
At what point do Alb and Hib get beefed by the devs? Every time I check the numbers, the scales are hugely tipped (usually 25% alb, 25% hib, 50% mid for rps) for Mid.

It's not just the population. Due to no expansions (other than SI), mid has a clear advantage.
.....

From this old thread --> https://forum.playphoenix.online/server/tavern/7142-every-time-i-check-the-stats-mid-is-on-top-of-the-world

Ceseuron wrote: ↑
Mon 10 Aug 2020 4:46 PM
Removing the incentive for Pilzpower to PVE his way to RR cap would be nice, but not likely to happen. It's obvious that the devs clearly favor Hibernia and the population shift currently underway on the server shows this.
....

Times are changing, but it is always the DEVs fault. So at least we are consistent.

On a serious note, it is really interesting to read this old thread and what players thought at that time why Midgard was dominating and the other realms werent.

Mid was dominating because of Population in RvR -- not gross pop numbers. The game starts when new based on what the GAME Objectives were --- that has changed, Population has changed --- it's like comparing Math with Astrology --- perhaps correlation but certainly not causation.

Tue 11 Aug 2020 4:24 PM by mattymc

swap89 wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 3:54 PM
Shamissa wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 1:23 PM
Smap and Pilz are Herorius from DAOC live they hit empty keeps all day just for pleasure.
Let them have it all imo , the way GM’s are favoring Hibernia, folks who came from Daoc live should go back at least they have free acct and dont have to deal with this crap over here. Plus the pop over there are increasing due to Phoenix banning so many folks without even reconsider a 2nd chance. And GM’s can be rude not listening anyways.

Good luck you all

we don't like to attack empty keeps.
but being the only thing to do since you like to do tasks or 8v8 instead of defending them we adapt

You do it because it feeds you free RP --- the more you take the less chance you have of EVER getting defenders -- so your logic is silly. If tasks fed you more w/o fighting you would do that. There is no point defending when you can't prevail and there is no reward for trying.

Tue 11 Aug 2020 5:05 PM by Noashakra

SM nerf and BD nerf make them unplayable in bg!!!
The SM wasn't even a nerf, it was a fix. They are still broken solo, like the BD... In group the BD is still really strong.

Should I laugh or cry when I read stupid stuff like this? Omg...

Stop zerging flags, it melted your brain.

The only gtae class is on the eld void, and nobody plays it. Amnesia nerf is a huge nerf for 8vs8. Animists got nerf after nerf. Should we cry too? Did hib stop playing?
And I forgot the crit nerf which impacted caster comp much more than tank comp, so alb and hib got a huge nerf.
Really geez...

Tue 11 Aug 2020 9:21 PM by mattymc

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Tue 11 Aug 2020 5:05 PM
SM nerf and BD nerf make them unplayable in bg!!!
The SM wasn't even a nerf, it was a fix. They are still broken solo, like the BD... In group the BD is still really strong.

Should I laugh or cry when I read stupid stuff like this? Omg...

Stop zerging flags, it melted your brain.

The only gtae class is on the eld void, and nobody plays it. Amnesia nerf is a huge nerf for 8vs8. Animists got nerf after nerf. Should we cry too? Did hib stop playing?
And I forgot the crit nerf which impacted caster comp much more than tank comp, so alb and hib got a huge nerf.
Really geez...

first -- that fact that you think something is wrong pretty much guarantees it's accuracy;
Second --- every realm zergs flags at some point -- why you bring it up really demonstrates nothing;
third, for no one playing any gtaoe class in hibb there sure is a ton of it --- but perhaps your just making things up -- again....

Tue 11 Aug 2020 9:35 PM by Noashakra

Man, you are the only one with the Dark Templar GM who lie about mids zerging with 4fg sticked (of course the DT is in deny). There are always people zerging on the flag, but only mid did it to the next level AND are doing it when their ZF is on fire. Hib is not doing that.
Many mid already testified and confirmed it on this post or the other one. You are like trump in an interview, you have no argument and you ignore all the facts that go against your world view.
Come back to reality, it's still time.

Tue 11 Aug 2020 11:51 PM by Wakefield

Why put effort into a losing battle when you can get rps elsewhere.

Flag task PLUS empty keep taking is what's killing the game tbfh.

"Well you could take the 4fg and defend?"

What's the point? 36 against 100+ is not going to do much apart from die heroically I suppose.

Unless the 4 fg, which might be tank classes as its Mid after all, cant do a lot against the Hib caster lulz in a defence.

"Well mid should roll more casters"

I'm sorry, but people play what they enjoy playing. I enjoy my support personally, but if someone puts their heart and soul into a character, they should NOT be forced to play something different.

Hibs main pve class is also one of the best classes for keep take rvr(mana chanter). Heat debuff, heal pet, pbaoe etc.

I admit, I rolled a mana chanter on my break from Mid last year and enjoyed the pve side. Didnt feel right to rvr against my "home" so I came back to mid when I hit 50.

Wed 12 Aug 2020 5:58 AM by Noashakra

Of course people should not be force to play something different, but then people should not complain they can't compete when they don't play the class they need to win keep battles...

4fg + the 30 people who are already defending can make a big difference...

But don't come and blame the dev for your choices.

IF you think mid mages are boring, come and play mana chanter. In 8 man, you do debuff cold, debuff heat dd dd dd, rince and repeat.
It's the same for mentalist, it's dd and demez 99% of the time. The eld has more tools, but the rest is not that better than you all think.

Wed 12 Aug 2020 6:07 AM by Wakefield

Not if they are tank classes, cant do a lot on the walls if your a warrior.

Wed 12 Aug 2020 6:17 AM by Noashakra

Wakefield wrote: ↑
Wed 12 Aug 2020 6:07 AM
Not if they are tank classes, cant do a lot on the walls if your a warrior.

You think the proto and champ are doing it?
Mid has it good with 3 classes that can climb there. You have a zerk and a savage in most groups.

Wed 12 Aug 2020 9:58 AM by Leandrid

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Wed 12 Aug 2020 5:58 AM
Of course people should not be force to play something different, but then people should not complain they can't compete when they don't play the class they need to win keep battles...

4fg + the 30 people who are already defending can make a big difference...

But don't come and blame the dev for your choices.

IF you think mid mages are boring, come and play mana chanter. In 8 man, you do debuff cold, debuff heat dd dd dd, rince and repeat.
It's the same for mentalist, it's dd and demez 99% of the time. The eld has more tools, but the rest is not that better than you all think.

Well, i fail to see the problem somehow. If you know there are several fgs in the task area, you could go and hunt those instead of complaining midgard doesn't defend their keeps. Midgard's problem is, that we have too many melees and can not compete in keep fights, neither with hibs nor albs, due to their overwhelming amount of casters. Besides, probably most of the players wanting to do zerg RvR already joined your zerg by now, so all what's left here are players enjoying small men or 8vs8.

Wed 12 Aug 2020 4:30 PM by Noashakra

I have 1 tank 1 ovate 1 mage and 2 solo toons. I switch depending what is needed
Don't tell me it's impossible for people to have a mage and a tank...

Again, a people problem...

Wed 12 Aug 2020 5:57 PM by Helwyr

Freudinio wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 12:58 AM
Honestly. On this server. Why would you play mid, if you could freely choose any other realm?

Maybe if you don't care about the actual RvR game of holding and taking Keeps and Relics and just want to roam around in your 8man or small groups capturing flags and getting a 50% RP bonus over other realms. Sucks I suppose for those few Mid players that want to actually fight for their realm and keep Midgard Blue.

Thu 13 Aug 2020 6:58 AM by Gildar

Wakefield wrote: ↑
Wed 12 Aug 2020 6:07 AM
Not if they are tank classes, cant do a lot on the walls if your a warrior.

LOL epic fail.

Do you know that there is catapults in this game ???
Go buy some.
When i defend a keep with my BM i place a catapult in courtyard ... and same other tanks ... 4 or 5 catapults battering the rams and no one can open keep doors.

But you do flags only and so you dont know how defend a keep ... but this is YOUR fault, not dev' s problem.

Stop whining and go learn how play daoc

Thu 13 Aug 2020 8:10 AM by Stoertebecker

I did not know that using a catapult is the only way to play daoc

So far for epic fails

Thu 13 Aug 2020 10:29 AM by Wakefield

Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 13 Aug 2020 6:58 AM
Wakefield wrote: ↑
Wed 12 Aug 2020 6:07 AM
Not if they are tank classes, cant do a lot on the walls if your a warrior.

Stop whining and go learn how play daoc

I know how to play DAOC.

Keeptake Simulator 2020 on the other hand, maybe not.

Thu 13 Aug 2020 10:37 AM by Gildar

Stoertebecker wrote: ↑
Thu 13 Aug 2020 8:10 AM
I did not know that using a catapult is the only way to play daoc

So far for epic fails

Not the only way ofc ... but dont come to tell us that as a tank you are useless in keep siege ... bah

It is too easy come here and Call for Devs to solve YOUR problem.

I cant organise a BG... pls help Devs
I dont wanna play a caster ... pls Devs nerf other realm casters
I am useless in sieges because is too hard buy and place a catapult ... pls Devs help
I cant find a girlfriend ... pls Devs help

I play a BM and love him... but if needed i switch to a warden or a eld... also if i prefere play BM.

You not ??? Your fault... no need of Devs intervention

Thu 13 Aug 2020 10:43 AM by Gildar

Wakefield wrote: ↑
Thu 13 Aug 2020 10:29 AM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 13 Aug 2020 6:58 AM
Wakefield wrote: ↑
Wed 12 Aug 2020 6:07 AM
Not if they are tank classes, cant do a lot on the walls if your a warrior.

Stop whining and go learn how play daoc

I know how to play DAOC.

Keeptake Simulator 2020 on the other hand, maybe not.

Ok so play and fight ... dont go to childish flag game ... or wanna do only 8v8 ? NO add ? NO other disturbing your little game ? ... go play an Arena game like Guild Wars.

DAOC is RvR ... open field clashes between large armies and/or keep sieges battle ... attackers vs defenders ... if u know how to play daoc you know that.

If not... you dont know how to play DAOC, but only an Arena game like 1000 others.

Imho

Thu 13 Aug 2020 10:50 AM by Stoertebecker

Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 13 Aug 2020 10:37 AM
Stoertebecker wrote: ↑
Thu 13 Aug 2020 8:10 AM
I did not know that using a catapult is the only way to play daoc

So far for epic fails

Not the only way ofc ... but dont come to tell us that as a tank you are useless in keep siege ... bah

I have to play my Skald sometimes and yes...well, i can run around the keep with speed 6, singing smoke on the water.
Or i can sit in the ram, use a cata. Very entertaining for this 15-30 minuten

Devs help finding a girlfriend? Didn`t know that...i`d order 2. But pls, no barbies or lazy bitches.

Thu 13 Aug 2020 10:54 AM by Gildar

Stoertebecker wrote: ↑
Thu 13 Aug 2020 10:50 AM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 13 Aug 2020 10:37 AM
Stoertebecker wrote: ↑
Thu 13 Aug 2020 8:10 AM
I did not know that using a catapult is the only way to play daoc

So far for epic fails

Not the only way ofc ... but dont come to tell us that as a tank you are useless in keep siege ... bah

i`d order 2. But pls, no barbies or lazy bitches.

2 girlfriends ????

You are mad man ...

Now i know why you play Mid

Thu 13 Aug 2020 3:03 PM by Wakefield

Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 13 Aug 2020 10:43 AM
Wakefield wrote: ↑
Thu 13 Aug 2020 10:29 AM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 13 Aug 2020 6:58 AM
Wakefield wrote: ↑
Wed 12 Aug 2020 6:07 AM
Not if they are tank classes, cant do a lot on the walls if your a warrior.

Stop whining and go learn how play daoc

I know how to play DAOC.

Keeptake Simulator 2020 on the other hand, maybe not.
[/quote

DAOC is RvR ... open field clashes between large armies and/or keep sieges battle ... attackers vs defenders ... if u know how to play daoc you know that.

If not... you dont know how to play DAOC, but only an Arena game like 1000 others.

Imho :p

But pveing doors is NOT open zerg fights is it? It's just easy mode rps, more than you get from flag humping.

Having a 100+ zerg lulzing across the realm with no defence to fight against is pathetic as Mids have 0 chance of getting there with the merry mushroom fields everywhere.

Let's face it, it happened on live when NF launched there. It's dark age of castalot, and sadly, Mid is a distant third in terms of utility when it comes to that.

Deploy catapults you might say?

They are useful for about 3 minutes, then the ranger lulz train just insta kills it.

Be honest, if you were a true player and you say well learn to play the game, reroll Mid. Hell, I will even pl you to 50 if you want. And see what it's like from our point of view.

Instead of sitting there chelping how bad we all are etc.

Offer is there mate, ball is in your court

Thu 13 Aug 2020 3:14 PM by Stoertebecker

Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 13 Aug 2020 10:54 AM
Stoertebecker wrote: ↑
Thu 13 Aug 2020 10:50 AM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 13 Aug 2020 10:37 AM
Stoertebecker wrote: ↑
Thu 13 Aug 2020 8:10 AM
I did not know that using a catapult is the only way to play daoc

So far for epic fails

Not the only way ofc ... but dont come to tell us that as a tank you are useless in keep siege ... bah

i`d order 2. But pls, no barbies or lazy bitches.

2 girlfriends ????

You are mad man ...

Now i know why you play Mid

I play mid because i always played mid (and 2+1 years on hib on a live classic server/Ywainn).

I love norway, sweden and finnland, snow, snowy landscapes, and i hate heat like we have actually. 20° is ok for but not 30°-35°+ over weeks.

And some madness ofc

Thu 13 Aug 2020 5:54 PM by Noashakra

We get it you don't like taking keeps. Like most of mid...
But then don't complain when people like doing it in rvr with keeps.
If it's boring for tanks, play a mage, nobody forced you to play your tank in a Zerg...

But hey it's easier to blame others for your problems.

Thu 13 Aug 2020 6:55 PM by Gildar

Wakefield wrote: ↑
Thu 13 Aug 2020 3:03 PM
Be honest, if you were a true player and you say well learn to play the game, reroll Mid. Hell, I will even pl you to 50 if you want. And see what it's like from our point of view.

Instead of sitting there chelping how bad we all are etc.

Offer is there mate, ball is in your court

Mids and DT in particular ... Now you see how many times write ridicolous excuses to justify YOUR FAIL ????

Pilz and Smap rerolled Mid and ... mids took immediately a keep in Hib ... also with your brokern classes of tank against the OP Hib casters...
Pilz have some magic power i guess ... He can play a BG where DT and all mids cant .. go learn to play pls
Pilz show your shit ... Now pls silence all in shame.

Thx

Thu 13 Aug 2020 8:33 PM by boridi

Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 13 Aug 2020 6:55 PM
Wakefield wrote: ↑
Thu 13 Aug 2020 3:03 PM
Be honest, if you were a true player and you say well learn to play the game, reroll Mid. Hell, I will even pl you to 50 if you want. And see what it's like from our point of view.

Instead of sitting there chelping how bad we all are etc.

Offer is there mate, ball is in your court

Mids and DT in particular ... Now you see how many times write ridicolous excuses to justify YOUR FAIL ????

Pilz and Smap rerolled Mid and ... mids took immediately a keep in Hib ... also with your brokern classes of tank against the OP Hib casters...
Pilz have some magic power i guess ... He can play a BG where DT and all mids cant .. go learn to play pls
Pilz show your shit ... Now pls silence all in shame.

Thx

Johny organized about 3 FG to take bolg this morning... of course it was easy because we faced very few defenders. What's the point?

Thu 13 Aug 2020 11:37 PM by Gildar

boridi wrote: ↑
Thu 13 Aug 2020 8:33 PM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 13 Aug 2020 6:55 PM
Wakefield wrote: ↑
Thu 13 Aug 2020 3:03 PM
Be honest, if you were a true player and you say well learn to play the game, reroll Mid. Hell, I will even pl you to 50 if you want. And see what it's like from our point of view.

Instead of sitting there chelping how bad we all are etc.

Offer is there mate, ball is in your court

Mids and DT in particular ... Now you see how many times write ridicolous excuses to justify YOUR FAIL ????

Pilz and Smap rerolled Mid and ... mids took immediately a keep in Hib ... also with your brokern classes of tank against the OP Hib casters...
Pilz have some magic power i guess ... He can play a BG where DT and all mids cant .. go learn to play pls
Pilz show your shit ... Now pls silence all in shame.

Thx

Johny organized about 3 FG to take bolg this morning... of course it was easy because we faced very few defenders. What's the point?

The point is this:
For months your realm mates whining on this discussion crying because for Mid was IMPOSSIBLE to do rvr and keep take/defence against Hibs ... because of imbalance of classes, poor mid casters and useless tanks ... and so on ... calling for a Devs intervento to help.

Now someone like Pilz and Smap show that all 38 pages on this discussion war simply mid bullshit and a loosers whining.

Silence in shame now pls...almost one time be decent.

Thu 13 Aug 2020 11:49 PM by Dariussdars

They took undefended, empty keeps.

It wasn't a defended keep.

They didn't defend a keep from the Hib zerg.

What point do you think 3 Fgs taking an UNDEFENDED keep proved?

Great logic thinking this nullified everything in the last 38 pages of this thread.

Fri 14 Aug 2020 12:07 PM by mattymc

Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 13 Aug 2020 10:37 AM
Stoertebecker wrote: ↑
Thu 13 Aug 2020 8:10 AM
I did not know that using a catapult is the only way to play daoc

So far for epic fails

Not the only way ofc ... but dont come to tell us that as a tank you are useless in keep siege ... bah

It is too easy come here and Call for Devs to solve YOUR problem.

I cant organise a BG... pls help Devs
I dont wanna play a caster ... pls Devs nerf other realm casters
I am useless in sieges because is too hard buy and place a catapult ... pls Devs help
I cant find a girlfriend ... pls Devs help

I play a BM and love him... but if needed i switch to a warden or a eld... also if i prefere play BM.

You not ??? Your fault... no need of Devs intervention

I realize comprehension could be a problem, but IF you actually read ANY of this thread, you would UNDERSTAND it's about NUMBERS --- you cant organize an effective BG to counter another BG UNLESS you have the POPULATION to do it -- THEN they have to be willing. Population, and why there are HUGE disparities -- IS a dev problem, -- GET IT NOW?

Fri 14 Aug 2020 12:35 PM by Gildar

mattymc wrote: ↑
Fri 14 Aug 2020 12:07 PM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Thu 13 Aug 2020 10:37 AM
Stoertebecker wrote: ↑
Thu 13 Aug 2020 8:10 AM
I did not know that using a catapult is the only way to play daoc

So far for epic fails

Not the only way ofc ... but dont come to tell us that as a tank you are useless in keep siege ... bah

It is too easy come here and Call for Devs to solve YOUR problem.

I cant organise a BG... pls help Devs
I dont wanna play a caster ... pls Devs nerf other realm casters
I am useless in sieges because is too hard buy and place a catapult ... pls Devs help
I cant find a girlfriend ... pls Devs help

I play a BM and love him... but if needed i switch to a warden or a eld... also if i prefere play BM.

You not ??? Your fault... no need of Devs intervention

I realize comprehension could be a problem, but IF you actually read ANY of this thread, you would UNDERSTAND it's about NUMBERS --- you cant organize an effective BG to counter another BG UNLESS you have the POPULATION to do it -- THEN they have to be willing. Population, and why there are HUGE disparities -- IS a dev problem, -- GET IT NOW?

Me to understand that comprehension is a big problem .... i've read countless posts talking about imbalance of classes , useless tanks in sieges, op hib casters ... all asking a Devs intervention to nerf non and casters ...

and i answer to that posts ... FINALLY YOU GET IT ????

Edit: problem is numbers ???? FALSE !!!
Right Now Hib is the underpop realm .... 220 alb ... 180 Mids.... 160 Hib .... so stop Joking and be serious pls ... tired of your false concerns

Fri 14 Aug 2020 3:33 PM by Wakefield

When 2fg of hib casters can hold of a bg, surely you know something is wrong?

Not from a Mid perspective, it's the happy mushroom farm you guys seem to have EVERY keep.

They nerfed BD, now it's time to nerf mushroom farms.

Fri 14 Aug 2020 3:37 PM by ExcretusMaximus

Wakefield wrote: ↑
Fri 14 Aug 2020 3:33 PM
They nerfed BD, now it's time to nerf mushroom farms.

They have, multiple times. There can only be 15 shrooms in a keep, no matter how many animists are around, and their range is garbage now.

Midgard doesn't suffer because of animists, we suffer because we refuse to play casters, and keep warfare is centered 100% around casters.

Fri 14 Aug 2020 3:48 PM by Wakefield

ExcretusMaximus wrote: ↑
Fri 14 Aug 2020 3:37 PM
Wakefield wrote: ↑
Fri 14 Aug 2020 3:33 PM
They nerfed BD, now it's time to nerf mushroom farms.

They have, multiple times. There can only be 15 shrooms in a keep, no matter how many animists are around, and their range is garbage now.

Midgard doesn't suffer because of animists, we suffer because we refuse to play casters, and keep warfare is centered 100% around casters.

Because our casters are awful compared to the other realms maybe?

I have all 3 types templated(5 if you can class a cave shammie as well, with another bd which I have grown bored of already)

I will play whatever is needed, but in a stand up caster fight, we lose.

Albs get bolt range mez, plus a decent range on their thuerg pets.

Hibs get baseline stun. Plus main chanter pve spec is THE spec for rvr with the self debuff and nukey pet.

What do we have? A bd pet that is useless when its messed, a insta Lt that is close quarters,a sm pet that is again, only good at close quarters, and a rm that has to nerf damage to get a decent pbt and NS.

It's why we ended up with the ridiculousness of warlocks in the end on live.

We might be able to hold a lord room, but my god, firing anything of the walls is just useless.

Fri 14 Aug 2020 4:31 PM by ExcretusMaximus

Alb casters are far and away the best in the game, but Mid and Hib are pretty much equal; given equal realm rank and equal skill, who would win in any caster vs caster fight between Mid and Hib is a toss-up.

People cry about baseline stun as if it is an automatic win in every situation, and it's not, it's just an excuse for getting caught with your pants down instead of playing smart.

Fri 14 Aug 2020 5:24 PM by Gildar

ExcretusMaximus wrote: ↑
Fri 14 Aug 2020 4:31 PM
Alb casters are far and away the best in the game, but Mid and Hib are pretty much equal; given equal realm rank and equal skill, who would win in any caster vs caster fight between Mid and Hib is a toss-up.

People cry about baseline stun as if it is an automatic win in every situation, and it's not, it's just an excuse for getting caught with your pants down instead of playing smart.

/clap

Finally someone tell the truth !!!

I have a caster, also if my main is a tank, and with a lot of stuns out there (slam, positional melee and ofc other casters stun) rarely i STUN someone ... only if he have immunity timer off ...

Also, alb pets have an infinite range and go trought closed doos ... our STUN cant :p

Excretus is right 100% ... mid and hib casters are somewhat equal in power

Fri 14 Aug 2020 5:31 PM by Noashakra

Hib dominated alb many night when alb had 30/40 toons lvl 50 more in zf.
When mid has 20 less they don't even try,

Stop saying numbers matter. it's true up to a point. a 20 people difference is not that big. Now hib is underpop since two days by a lot, is it our turn to cry that hib is dying?

Fri 14 Aug 2020 5:46 PM by Thoralf1

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Fri 14 Aug 2020 5:31 PM
Hib dominated alb many night when alb had 30/40 toons lvl 50 more in zf.
When mid has 20 less they don't even try,

Stop saying numbers matter. it's true up to a point. a 20 people difference is not that big. Now hib is underpop since two days by a lot, is it our turn to cry that hib is dying?

I wonder if I once will see some other kind of forum contribution by you.
Something progessive for example.

Fri 14 Aug 2020 5:50 PM by Noashakra

Thoralf1 wrote: ↑
Fri 14 Aug 2020 5:46 PM
Noashakra wrote: ↑
Fri 14 Aug 2020 5:31 PM
Hib dominated alb many night when alb had 30/40 toons lvl 50 more in zf.
When mid has 20 less they don't even try,

Stop saying numbers matter. it's true up to a point. a 20 people difference is not that big. Now hib is underpop since two days by a lot, is it our turn to cry that hib is dying?

I wonder if I once will see some other kind of forum contribution by you.
Something progessive for example.

My contribution is every night IG, we 8vs8 but also help in keep battles.
It's funny because I feel the same with the 2 main mid whiners telling the GMs are the problem and are favoring hibernia with all their fallacies.

check Johny's response, and tell me he is wrong
https://forum.playphoenix.online/realm/rvr/25326-about-bg-leaders
Funny how a mid bg leader doesn't blame the GMs or hibernia or find only external excuses for the actual situation.

The biggest and main problem with mid is its players. Bury your head in the sand will not fix anything.
"mid tanks are so efficient nobody plays mage! Too much tanks in the bg" solution > reroll a mage
it's easy to xp and temp a caster. Mid caster are not that bad, even if they don't shine like albs, but in zerg, they do the job. It's not the fault of the GMs or Hib that nobody play caster.

Fri 14 Aug 2020 8:26 PM by Stoertebecker

Would the hibs be so nice and take Pilzpower (who is leading a mid-bg this evening) back to hib? Pllllllz......

Or the Albs maybe?

Fri 14 Aug 2020 8:42 PM by thirian24

Stoertebecker wrote: ↑
Fri 14 Aug 2020 8:26 PM
Would the hibs be so nice and take Pilzpower (who is leading a mid-bg this evening) back to hib? Pllllllz......

Or the Albs maybe?

Lol wow.

So, Mid hasnt had a consistent active BG leader in quite some time now, people come to the forums crying about mid is dying, hib overpop, GMs favoring hib etc etc. Pilz moves to mid to get that realm active in something other than zerging flags and here you are wanting him to leave? And yall wonder why you cant keep a BG leader.

Fri 14 Aug 2020 9:21 PM by Stoertebecker

thirian24 wrote: ↑
Fri 14 Aug 2020 8:42 PM
Stoertebecker wrote: ↑
Fri 14 Aug 2020 8:26 PM
Would the hibs be so nice and take Pilzpower (who is leading a mid-bg this evening) back to hib? Pllllllz......

Or the Albs maybe?

Lol wow.

So, Mid hasnt had a consistent active BG leader in quite some time now, people come to the forums crying about mid is dying, hib overpop, GMs favoring hib etc etc. Pilz moves to mid to get that realm active in something other than zerging flags and here you are wanting him to leave? And yall wonder why you cant keep a BG leader.

There is a lil difference between a BG leader from the own ranks and a BG leading Realm Hopper. And we have (maybe) a rising BG leader with Johny, i really hope it is no *we had a rising BG leader* now....

Do you really think that will stop ppl from playing the flag game and roaming around? Surely not, now you have both. Congratz

And to our beloved developers, gamemasters. What were you thinking as you lowered and changed the realm timer the way it is now? Really working as intended?
It`s not really far from the live server. What next, Warlocks, Maulers, Class overhaul, archery system like on ywainn? Stealth visibility within the group like on live would be nice.

Fri 14 Aug 2020 10:01 PM by Gildar

thirian24 wrote: ↑
Fri 14 Aug 2020 8:42 PM
Stoertebecker wrote: ↑
Fri 14 Aug 2020 8:26 PM
Would the hibs be so nice and take Pilzpower (who is leading a mid-bg this evening) back to hib? Pllllllz......

Or the Albs maybe?

Lol wow.

So, Mid hasnt had a consistent active BG leader in quite some time now, people come to the forums crying about mid is dying, hib overpop, GMs favoring hib etc etc. Pilz moves to mid to get that realm active in something other than zerging flags and here you are wanting him to leave? And yall wonder why you cant keep a BG leader.

😂😂😂

Enjoy Pilz lead ... learn something about BG fight ... thanks to the Hibernian Charity ....

😂😂😂

Sat 15 Aug 2020 12:53 AM by CowwoC

@Stoertebecker
People like you are exactly the reason why Midgard struggles so much to build a consistent BG and get things done in RvR.

I really don't think that Pilz is a great BG leader nor very friendly to the people who actually follow him. Actually he can be a pretty douche and a child on top of that - but at least he is trying. You don't have to love Pilz for what he is doing, but he tries to get the ball rolling and people like you should try to help Midgard as whole realm as well instead of blaming and crying all day long or doing flags.

Back in the days i started in Midgard and i have several RvR toons there, but things got worse. Not the RvR situation alone but the people in Midgard changed as well for some reason. For me Midgard now feels way more hostile and unpleasant than Hibernia. The whole mindset in Hibernia is a whole different experience than in Midgard. Sure there is drama as well but compared to Midgard this is a complete different ball park. Don't get me wrong here, Midgard has some fantastic people as well - or had - but in the long run Midgard suffers from toxic people like you.

Ok Pilz is a realm hopper - some others who wanted to help Midgard and returned or joined new as well - and there are really people who complain about that? The same people who cry about Midgard is dying and how imba Hibs and Albs are. The same people who complained about other people who tried to help Mid to get back on track but gave up because of all the toxicity.

Midgard is dying because people like you want to keep it your personal playground. You don't care about Midgard at all, you just care about yourself. You can even see this while trying to XP in Midgard. So many people act like an entitled b*tch, just because people don't play after their rules. This mindset continues into the RvR to the point where people don't like to group casters, even if Midgard actually would benefit extremly in Keep and Tower fights from more casters. Yes Midgard crushes in open field, but guess what - there are keeps and tower for a reason. Use the tools you have instead of crippling yourself by sticking to melees so much and don't tell me the Mid casters suck compared to Alb and Hib - that is just another excuse you bring up to defend your "This is the only way how you have to play in Midgard-Rules".

If midgard could get lost of all those toxic people like you and change their whole mindset to a more welcoming and friendly attitude to new people, those people certainly would enjoy playing Midgard, fight for it and stay there - but NOPE - the self-proclaimed elite wants to shit on everything, that's the way how they enjoy this game.

Sat 15 Aug 2020 1:10 AM by gotwqqd

CowwoC wrote: ↑
Sat 15 Aug 2020 12:53 AM
@Stoertebecker
People like you are exactly the reason why Midgard struggles so much to build a consistent BG and get things done in RvR.

I really don't think that Pilz is a great BG leader nor very friendly to the people who actually follow him. Actually he can be a pretty douche and a child on top of that - but at least he is trying. You don't have to love Pilz for what he is doing, but he tries to get the ball rolling and people like you should try to help Midgard as whole realm as well instead of blaming and crying all day long or doing flags.

Back in the days i started in Midgard and i have several RvR toons there, but things got worse. Not the RvR situation alone but the people in Midgard changed as well for some reason. For me Midgard now feels way more hostile and unpleasant than Hibernia. The whole mindset in Hibernia is a whole different experience than in Midgard. Sure there is drama as well but compared to Midgard this is a complete different ball park. Don't get me wrong here, Midgard has some fantastic people as well - or had - but in the long run Midgard suffers from toxic people like you.

Ok Pilz is a realm hopper - some others who wanted to help Midgard and returned or joined new as well - and there are really people who complain about that? The same people who cry about Midgard is dying and how imba Hibs and Albs are. The same people who complained about other people who tried to help Mid to get back on track but gave up because of all the toxicity.

Midgard is dying because people like you want to keep it your personal playground. You don't care about Midgard at all, you just care about yourself. You can even see this while trying to XP in Midgard. So many people act like an entitled b*tch, just because people don't play after their rules. This mindset continues into the RvR to the point where people don't like to group casters, even if Midgard actually would benefit extremly in Keep and Tower fights from more casters. Yes Midgard crushes in open field, but guess what - there are keeps and tower for a reason. Use the tools you have instead of crippling yourself by sticking to melees so much and don't tell me the Mid casters suck compared to Alb and Hib - that is just another excuse you bring up to defend your "This is the only way how you have to play in Midgard-Rules".

If midgard could get lost of all those toxic people like you and change their whole mindset to a more welcoming and friendly attitude to new people, those people certainly would enjoy playing Midgard, fight for it and stay there - but NOPE - the self-proclaimed elite wants to shit on everything, that's the way how they enjoy this game.

Realm hopper? Or someone who wants a challenge/change after hitting RR12(?)?

Sat 15 Aug 2020 1:29 AM by CowwoC

@gotwqqd

Does it matter at all? There is no realm pride on Phoenix, you can hate this or simply accept this.

I meet so many people who also play on the other realms and swap regularly. Why do you think we have this short realm timer? Because people like to decide what they want to play and maybe change ther decision at some point. Sometimes it can feel wrong that the people are not bound to a realm and sometimes it even can get frustrating, but this is the way how the community and devs decided how this thing should go - now we all have to deal with it. Get over it and you can be way more relaxed. People from different realms are just people, not your nemesis. How about trying to welcome people instead of chasing them away? Maybe some would stay for longer, you ever thought about that?

Alright alright, i hear you "NO WE DONT WANT THEM! IF THEY DONT STAY MID ONLY - THEY CAN GO TO HELL!".

Sat 15 Aug 2020 8:40 AM by Stoertebecker

CowwoC wrote: ↑
Sat 15 Aug 2020 12:53 AM
@Stoertebecker
People like you are exactly the reason why Midgard struggles so much to build a consistent BG and get things done in RvR.

I really don't think that Pilz is a great BG leader nor very friendly to the people who actually follow him. Actually he can be a pretty douche and a child on top of that - but at least he is trying. You don't have to love Pilz for what he is doing, but he tries to get the ball rolling and people like you should try to help Midgard as whole realm as well instead of blaming and crying all day long or doing flags.

Back in the days i started in Midgard and i have several RvR toons there, but things got worse. Not the RvR situation alone but the people in Midgard changed as well for some reason. For me Midgard now feels way more hostile and unpleasant than Hibernia. The whole mindset in Hibernia is a whole different experience than in Midgard. Sure there is drama as well but compared to Midgard this is a complete different ball park. Don't get me wrong here, Midgard has some fantastic people as well - or had - but in the long run Midgard suffers from toxic people like you.

Ok Pilz is a realm hopper - some others who wanted to help Midgard and returned or joined new as well - and there are really people who complain about that? The same people who cry about Midgard is dying and how imba Hibs and Albs are. The same people who complained about other people who tried to help Mid to get back on track but gave up because of all the toxicity.

Midgard is dying because people like you want to keep it your personal playground. You don't care about Midgard at all, you just care about yourself. You can even see this while trying to XP in Midgard. So many people act like an entitled b*tch, just because people don't play after their rules. This mindset continues into the RvR to the point where people don't like to group casters, even if Midgard actually would benefit extremly in Keep and Tower fights from more casters. Yes Midgard crushes in open field, but guess what - there are keeps and tower for a reason. Use the tools you have instead of crippling yourself by sticking to melees so much and don't tell me the Mid casters suck compared to Alb and Hib - that is just another excuse you bring up to defend your "This is the only way how you have to play in Midgard-Rules".

If midgard could get lost of all those toxic people like you and change their whole mindset to a more welcoming and friendly attitude to new people, those people certainly would enjoy playing Midgard, fight for it and stay there - but NOPE - the self-proclaimed elite wants to shit on everything, that's the way how they enjoy this game.

Maybe you should do some readings through what i wrote in different threads within the past weeks. If you think i`m toxic you should get some readings skills.
If i would just care about myself i would play a stealther as my main and I won`t be trying helping a player (that i don`t really know) that his chars are not going to the trashcan after a 14 days ban.

DAoC is a bit more than PvDoors, chopping wood with a 120 ppl BG. If you think thats the only way to play, i`m fine with it.

Next time we`ll have a red carpet on hand if someone *important* is going to switch the realms, and sure...free 50p.

Sat 15 Aug 2020 9:51 AM by Noashakra

Calling someone who played non stop one realm and one toon a realm hooper is pathetic.
Ridiculous... Mid players are the problem.

Sat 15 Aug 2020 10:12 AM by Stoertebecker

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Sat 15 Aug 2020 9:51 AM
Calling someone who played non stop one realm and one toon a realm hooper is pathetic.
Ridiculous... Mid players are the problem.

And having 226 mids/ 166 Hibs, a running Mid-BG capturing a relic on a saturday at 12 am isn`t pathetic?

Were 102 Mids last week, same time

But i´m sure it has nothing to do with 50% rp bonus and Pilz playing mid, all happens by accident. ^^

Sat 15 Aug 2020 11:39 AM by swap89

stoert...u had '0 relic for months and now we take one and we are pathetic???...if we stay in hib with big number and make mid green we are pathetic...if we come in mid and take 1 relic we are pathetic...i think the only pathetic is you and the people like u..

good bye

Smap

Sat 15 Aug 2020 11:50 AM by swap89

and fyi the bonus rps is end...and we are still here...connect your mouth to brain should be a good start

smap

Sat 15 Aug 2020 11:58 AM by Valaraukar

swap89 wrote: ↑
Sat 15 Aug 2020 11:39 AM
stoert...u had '0 relic for months and now we take one and we are pathetic???...if we stay in hib with big number and make mid green we are pathetic...if we come in mid and take 1 relic we are pathetic...i think the only pathetic is you and the people like u..

good bye

Smap

thanks for the relic, indeed... but the only thing that it proves is that the Realm with the greatest numbers (now Mid due to an excessive all round bouns, usually Hib thanks to broken caster classes) wins easily.

Now, this situation cannot be taken as a proof of anything. You should check how the population balance will be when the bonus is over (and hope it will be over forever, that is not the way to solve balance issues at all), and when the 50/60 hibs that followed you will come back to Hib (or switch Alb if it will be the "gifted" realm). This is not balance, this is mad hopping from a realm to another, causing the population to be completely unbalanced considering short periods (eg. 1 week) but making it seems balanced over longer period (eg. 1 year.... magic of statistics, you know).

Before some toxic guys here will get me wrong, I want to clarify that I am very thankful to you and Pilz for the help you will give to Mid, and more thankful again if we will get all the 6 relics, and maybe hold them for about 2 months uninterrupted (almost uninterrupted anyway). But I don't think this is the solution to the balance issue in Phoneix, because it regards the class balance above all and no % bonus or other incentives can solve this once and for all

Sat 15 Aug 2020 12:58 PM by Tyrlaan

Maybe it´s just me but merely reading Smap, Gildar, Noashakra and other Hib posts hurts. Insufficient anger management (starting with LOL and such), profound intellectual disability (to reflect and understand what they supposedly read before quoting and answering) paired with bad communication skills is a terrible combination and toxic to any discussion... I know they are used to the rough treatment by Pilz but don´t let them drag you to their level and all.

Sat 15 Aug 2020 1:23 PM by joshisanonymous

Stoertebecker wrote: ↑
Fri 14 Aug 2020 8:26 PM
Would the hibs be so nice and take Pilzpower (who is leading a mid-bg this evening) back to hib? Pllllllz......

Or the Albs maybe?

Oh wow, Pilz is playing Mid now?

I don't have much of a problem with that. I had a problem with Gio/Polemo coming back to Mid, but that was a combination of him abandoning the realm, hopping back on it, being an ass, leaving it again, hopping back on it, being an ass some more... Pilz, though, as long as he's not also an ass, sounds fine to have on Mid. I mean, he has not just the highest RR Hib but the highest RR toon on the server. That would never have happened if he was just a basic realm hopper.

Sat 15 Aug 2020 1:39 PM by Stoertebecker

swap89 wrote: ↑
Sat 15 Aug 2020 11:39 AM
stoert...u had '0 relic for months and now we take one and we are pathetic???...if we stay in hib with big number and make mid green we are pathetic...if we come in mid and take 1 relic we are pathetic...i think the only pathetic is you and the people like u..

good bye

Smap

If you`re not able to see a difference between *person xxx is pathethic* and *the situation is pathetic* you shouldn`t even start writing, except you are going to start a career as a stand up comedian.

Sat 15 Aug 2020 2:01 PM by Gildar

Tyrlaan wrote: ↑
Sat 15 Aug 2020 12:58 PM
Maybe it´s just me but merely reading Smap, Gildar, Noashakra and other Hib posts hurts. Insufficient anger management (starting with LOL and such), profound intellectual disability (to reflect and understand what they supposedly read before quoting and answering) paired with bad communication skills is a terrible combination and toxic to any discussion... I know they are used to the rough treatment by Pilz but don´t let them drag you to their level and all.

you only know how to be offensive and useless ... you don't give any contribution to the discussion and you expect serious answers from me ???
the only answer you deserve is a LOL

Pilz and Smap have just shown that whoever really knows how to play also wins on Mid ... in spite of your complaints.

Reading the GM of the DT thanking Pilz for the relic that he has never been able to take is priceless

Sat 15 Aug 2020 2:37 PM by CowwoC

Stoertebecker wrote: ↑
Sat 15 Aug 2020 8:40 AM
CowwoC wrote: ↑
Sat 15 Aug 2020 12:53 AM
@Stoertebecker
People like you are exactly the reason why Midgard struggles so much to build a consistent BG and get things done in RvR.

I really don't think that Pilz is a great BG leader nor very friendly to the people who actually follow him. Actually he can be a pretty douche and a child on top of that - but at least he is trying. You don't have to love Pilz for what he is doing, but he tries to get the ball rolling and people like you should try to help Midgard as whole realm as well instead of blaming and crying all day long or doing flags.

Back in the days i started in Midgard and i have several RvR toons there, but things got worse. Not the RvR situation alone but the people in Midgard changed as well for some reason. For me Midgard now feels way more hostile and unpleasant than Hibernia. The whole mindset in Hibernia is a whole different experience than in Midgard. Sure there is drama as well but compared to Midgard this is a complete different ball park. Don't get me wrong here, Midgard has some fantastic people as well - or had - but in the long run Midgard suffers from toxic people like you.

Ok Pilz is a realm hopper - some others who wanted to help Midgard and returned or joined new as well - and there are really people who complain about that? The same people who cry about Midgard is dying and how imba Hibs and Albs are. The same people who complained about other people who tried to help Mid to get back on track but gave up because of all the toxicity.

Midgard is dying because people like you want to keep it your personal playground. You don't care about Midgard at all, you just care about yourself. You can even see this while trying to XP in Midgard. So many people act like an entitled b*tch, just because people don't play after their rules. This mindset continues into the RvR to the point where people don't like to group casters, even if Midgard actually would benefit extremly in Keep and Tower fights from more casters. Yes Midgard crushes in open field, but guess what - there are keeps and tower for a reason. Use the tools you have instead of crippling yourself by sticking to melees so much and don't tell me the Mid casters suck compared to Alb and Hib - that is just another excuse you bring up to defend your "This is the only way how you have to play in Midgard-Rules".

If midgard could get lost of all those toxic people like you and change their whole mindset to a more welcoming and friendly attitude to new people, those people certainly would enjoy playing Midgard, fight for it and stay there - but NOPE - the self-proclaimed elite wants to shit on everything, that's the way how they enjoy this game.

Maybe you should do some readings through what i wrote in different threads within the past weeks. If you think i`m toxic you should get some readings skills.
If i would just care about myself i would play a stealther as my main and I won`t be trying helping a player (that i don`t really know) that his chars are not going to the trashcan after a 14 days ban.

DAoC is a bit more than PvDoors, chopping wood with a 120 ppl BG. If you think thats the only way to play, i`m fine with it.

Next time we`ll have a red carpet on hand if someone *important* is going to switch the realms, and sure...free 50p.

Why should i go through your posts in different threads when i reply to a post you do here - what kind of stupid logic is that? If you insist that i do to understand your bright personality, then go on and send me your CV.

And maybe you should work on your reading skills and try to reflect yourself - your answer alone shows me what a person you are - you even confirm all i said with it. It seems you cant't even see the difference between Tower/ Keep fights and zerging down empty keeps for hours, you just bend it the way that it suits into your personal what you hate scheme. Nobody said that you have to stick to the bg while they get towers which are not filled with defenders(and even then it is part of this game), go and snack roaming groups meanwhile, this would help as well. But no, you stick to your tasks only - you don't care about Midgard - like i said. Do you defend the relics? No you don't. If you hate to be around in Keeps/ Towers so much maybe DAoC is not the right game for you. I understand that you want to show off your awesome skills you and your 8man has in open field situations, i really do, but this server is not made for you to be your playground alone. Try to empathise with your realm people, no matter their background and maybe Midgard feels home again not just for the toxic player like you.

Thanks.

Sat 15 Aug 2020 2:46 PM by Astaa

swap89 wrote: ↑
Sat 15 Aug 2020 11:39 AM
stoert...u had '0 relic for months and now we take one and we are pathetic???...if we stay in hib with big number and make mid green we are pathetic...if we come in mid and take 1 relic we are pathetic...i think the only pathetic is you and the people like u..

good bye

Smap

What I find quite funny is how you insult realm jumpers, constantly, then swap realm

Sat 15 Aug 2020 2:51 PM by Freedomcall

lol There is no problem with "realm hopping".
People can play whatever realm they want, anytime.
Switching realms doesn't guarantee that they seek for relic bonuses.
I have been recently playing mid and alb 90% since hib had 6 relics.

Talking about realm pride is ok, but only as a meme.
It is ridiculous to see some people who think they have rights to look down on others switching realms lol.
Playing only 1 realm all the time rather means they are lazy to learn new things.
If you look at so many whines on forum or ingame /adv, you can actually find out that most of them actually don't know how the classes of other realms work.
Because they have only seen those classes as enemies, and never have played those classes themselves.

Players on Phoenix should be more encouraged to switch realms and have more balanced idea about this server imo.
I supported Polemo when he moved to alb(I know he's not perfect and has strong personality, but leaders sometimes tend to be asses anyway),
and I also want to praise Pilz and his friends who decided to start a new challenge on mid(not sure this is temporary thing or not though).

Sat 15 Aug 2020 3:08 PM by Wakefield

I have always been Alb, even on live back in the days of TOA. I was Hib for a bit on Uth, but I just felt Alb was home. Played pretty much every class (apart from scout/infil) and enjoyed every class.

So off I went on Alb and supported the realm to the best of my abilities.

Then Nix launched, I followed my guild(WPFK) over to Mid and enjoyed it. Have pretty much every class at 50(apart from stealthers).

Without some sense of realm loyalty, I wouldn't play. They are better pvp games out there to pick up and play nowadays. This is and should be, a throw back. A nostalgia trip where you should be stuck on a realm as you chose it when you started? Times are hard? Tough shit, do something about it.

Not flip about whenever the "winning" team are dominating.

Sat 15 Aug 2020 3:11 PM by swap89

Astaa wrote: ↑
Sat 15 Aug 2020 2:46 PM
swap89 wrote: ↑
Sat 15 Aug 2020 11:39 AM
stoert...u had '0 relic for months and now we take one and we are pathetic???...if we stay in hib with big number and make mid green we are pathetic...if we come in mid and take 1 relic we are pathetic...i think the only pathetic is you and the people like u..

good bye

Smap

What I find quite funny is how you insult realm jumpers, constantly, then swap realm

340/5000
if you can't tell the difference between what we did and most of the relam jumpers, there's no point talking.
i will continue to insult them ...

i stop answering.

whatever people do, even if in complete good faith, there will always be someone who will find a way to attack them.

greetings to all

smap

Sat 15 Aug 2020 3:37 PM by

Uthred

Please keep it civil und stop insulting each others. Either you should log in and enjoy the game (yes, it is still possible even though the DEVs made everything bad here) or dont.

But no matter what you decide for yourself, dont insult others. Thank you.

Sat 15 Aug 2020 7:20 PM by Forlornhope

The only problem I see with them moving over to mid is all the relic hoppers who are going to follow them.

Sat 15 Aug 2020 9:09 PM by Lollie

Well I for one am glad they did switch, been a great evenings rvr in pilz mid zerg, some great 3 way open fields fights, towers and relic attempts, (stupid Lord reseting). Long may it continue.

Sat 15 Aug 2020 9:36 PM by ExcretusMaximus

As a Mid, I'm considering quitting until the realm hoppers leave, the Midgard experience has been garbage for the last week.

Sun 16 Aug 2020 12:09 AM by Vkejai

ExcretusMaximus wrote: ↑
Sat 15 Aug 2020 9:36 PM
As a Mid, I'm considering quitting until the realm hoppers leave, the Midgard experience has been garbage for the last week.

If all the realm hoppers left Mid, you wouldnt have enough for a BG lol . Not everyone plays one realm

Sun 16 Aug 2020 12:35 AM by ExcretusMaximus

Vkejai wrote: ↑
Sun 16 Aug 2020 12:09 AM
If all the realm hoppers left Mid, you wouldnt have enough for a BG lol . Not everyone plays one realm

Fine by me.

Before this week we rarely had a BG and I enjoyed the experience much more.

Sun 16 Aug 2020 1:01 AM by Ambron

when you do not like Zerg vs Zerg vs Zerg action and want to do 1v1 or 8v8 i think its a good week so far... Zergs are in Hib. So 1v1 people and 8v8 groups can go to alb or mid to do their thing.

Sun 16 Aug 2020 7:24 AM by DJ2000

Midgard experience, eh?

With every day, the yellow/oj Realm hopper Army converts to Midgard. It's not that "mids" increase in Size, its the yellow/oj Realm hopper Hibs that abandon the Ship to be on the FOTM Train again, that is currently Midgard. Look at /u, loot at /Tradeorder. They don't care about Blue, Red or Green.
Won't be long until Midgard has all 6 Relics. And then Midgard+Realm hoppers will zerg the other 2 Realms down, like the Hibs+realm hoppers did the weeks before.
So tell me, what exactly did change?
The Color?

Sun 16 Aug 2020 8:06 AM by Gildar

Many Hibs, like me, are still on Hib ... and fight like before Pilz realm swap ... this night Gilboom BG retake Crau and Bolg ....
HIB is almost Green....
Not true that all Hibs jump on the Mid BG a great part stay on Hib.

Pilz and Smap try to mantain server alive and kicking .... thx them

Sun 16 Aug 2020 8:39 AM by Astaa

Was great last night, Hib beat back two fronts. We lost a relic early on but held the rest together.

Sun 16 Aug 2020 4:27 PM by Horus

RvR is pretty healthy here. Ebbs and flows. I think it just goes to show it is not so much realms but individuals willing to step and lead a BG in each realm.

A few days ago when I heard there were like 110 mids on tower I admit i was surprised. I didn't think the 50% bonus would have that fast of an effect.

Then I saw "Bonepower" and I realized they had an individual who is on all the time and willing to lead a BG. Sometimes that is all you need to motivate the forces.

It really doesn't take much to swing things one way or another. I think even without the 50% bonus just the fact of a BG leader in Mid was enough to get things rolling.

Sun 16 Aug 2020 5:44 PM by Ambron

pretty sure many hibs moved with pilzpower to midgard (not only smap, nidds and brok...) and made the zerg rolling ^^ think the hardcore mids do not quite follow zergs. I was surprised that Hoinz joined the zerg so hard ^^

Sun 16 Aug 2020 10:22 PM by Ceseuron

Uthred wrote: ↑
Sat 15 Aug 2020 3:37 PM
Either you should log in and enjoy the game (yes, it is still possible even though the DEVs made everything bad here) or dont.

Maybe the devs should stop trying to change the core mechanics of the game in some never-ending quest to "improve" what was working before. Why do you think Live is such a joke now? Because the devs over there took it upon themselves to "improve" the game right into the ground. Have you guys ever stopped and really asked yourselves if a change you're thinking about is really needed, or is even relevant in the spirit of the original game?

Some of the QoL implementations have been great. Crafting improvements, the XP related stuff (tasks, tokens, eggs), and so forth have been spot on. The addition of player horses is an interesting concept and some of the PVE stuff like HoH is a challenging respite from the RVR grind. But the core RVR mechanics keep getting changes that don't need to be implemented. Some ideas:

1. The Flag mini-game. Get rid of it. It's DAOC RVR, not Battlefield or Call of Duty. Yeah, you get zergs. It's DAOC and it's been that way for 20 years. You'll note the game is not called "Dark 8v8 of Camelot", nor is it called "Duel Age of Camelot". It's always been about large scale, epic engagements and siege warfare. That's the spirit of DAOC RVR and the impetus for many of us playing here, and that's the roots you guys need to return to.
2. Put the realm switch timer back to the way it was a year or so ago and leave it alone. Honestly, if it were up to me, the realm switch timer would consist of "Wipe your characters if you want to change realms", but as it is now, all you're doing is encouraging the exact same thing people were claiming wouldn't happen when that whole vote went down to set the realm switch timer to what it is now.
3. Modify the RP gains so that the incentive to PVE empty keeps is removed and active keep defense is encouraged. There should be no RP gains to be had for PVEing doors and taking down empty keeps.
4. You have 2 full expansions of content (ToA and Catacombs) along with additional classes that could be creatively implemented and improved upon with a special Phoenix twist to them.

As it relates to the RVR component, it's like you guys keep walking into the Louvre and saying to yourselves, "You know, I think we can improve the Mona Lisa!" Then you guys wonder why the visitors are getting upset at you as you keep drawing different types of mustaches on her, trying to figure out if the Walrus, the Anchor, or just a nice set of handlebars is going to improve Leonardo da Vinci's masterpiece. Instead of feeling sorry for yourself with such a thinly veiled "woe is the Phoenix devs" comment, perhaps you should try NOT drawing mustaches on the Mona Lisa and instead admire it for the work of art that it is and leave it alone.

Sun 16 Aug 2020 10:43 PM by gotwqqd

Ambron wrote: ↑
Sun 16 Aug 2020 5:44 PM
pretty sure many hibs moved with pilzpower to midgard (not only smap, nidds and brok...) and made the zerg rolling ^^ think the hardcore mids do not quite follow zergs. I was surprised that Hoinz joined the zerg so hard ^^

I still see lots of mid groups(s) prowling flags

Mon 17 Aug 2020 1:20 AM by Ambron

Ceseuron wrote: ↑
Sun 16 Aug 2020 10:22 PM
Maybe the devs should stop trying to change the core mechanics of the game in some never-ending quest to "improve" what was working before...
...
4. You have 2 full expansions of content (ToA and Catacombs) along with additional classes that could be creatively implemented and improved upon with a special Phoenix twist to them.

You killed your point with your last point...
"dont try to improve a perfect working game which every1 loves"
vs
"implement classes from expensions nobody wanted to play and edit them to your wishes"

and however it is completely offtopic to "why midgard is dying". You can post your wishes in the suggestion-section like every1 else.

Mon 17 Aug 2020 5:33 AM by Valaraukar

Gildar wrote: ↑
Sat 15 Aug 2020 2:01 PM
...
Reading the GM of the DT thanking Pilz for the relic that he has never been able to take is priceless

Mon 17 Aug 2020 7:05 AM by Gildar

Ceseuron wrote: ↑
Sun 16 Aug 2020 10:22 PM
Uthred wrote: ↑
Sat 15 Aug 2020 3:37 PM
Either you should log in and enjoy the game (yes, it is still possible even though the DEVs made everything bad here) or dont.

Maybe the devs should stop trying to change the core mechanics of the game in some never-ending quest to "improve" what was working before. Why do you think Live is such a joke now? Because the devs over there took it upon themselves to "improve" the game right into the ground. Have you guys ever stopped and really asked yourselves if a change you're thinking about is really needed, or is even relevant in the spirit of the original game?

Some of the QoL implementations have been great. Crafting improvements, the XP related stuff (tasks, tokens, eggs), and so forth have been spot on. The addition of player horses is an interesting concept and some of the PVE stuff like HoH is a challenging respite from the RVR grind. But the core RVR mechanics keep getting changes that don't need to be implemented. Some ideas:

1. The Flag mini-game. Get rid of it. It's DAOC RVR, not Battlefield or Call of Duty. Yeah, you get zergs. It's DAOC and it's been that way for 20 years. You'll note the game is not called "Dark 8v8 of Camelot", nor is it called "Duel Age of Camelot". It's always been about large scale, epic engagements and siege warfare. That's the spirit of DAOC RVR and the impetus for many of us playing here, and that's the roots you guys need to return to.
2. Put the realm switch timer back to the way it was a year or so ago and leave it alone. Honestly, if it were up to me, the realm switch timer would consist of "Wipe your characters if you want to change realms", but as it is now, all you're doing is encouraging the exact same thing people were claiming wouldn't happen when that whole vote went down to set the realm switch timer to what it is now.
3. Modify the RP gains so that the incentive to PVE empty keeps is removed and active keep defense is encouraged. There should be no RP gains to be had for PVEing doors and taking down empty keeps.
4. You have 2 full expansions of content (ToA and Catacombs) along with additional classes that could be creatively implemented and improved upon with a special Phoenix twist to them.

As it relates to the RVR component, it's like you guys keep walking into the Louvre and saying to yourselves, "You know, I think we can improve the Mona Lisa!" Then you guys wonder why the visitors are getting upset at you as you keep drawing different types of mustaches on her, trying to figure out if the Walrus, the Anchor, or just a nice set of handlebars is going to improve Leonardo da Vinci's masterpiece. Instead of feeling sorry for yourself with such a thinly veiled "woe is the Phoenix devs" comment, perhaps you should try NOT drawing mustaches on the Mona Lisa and instead admire it for the work of art that it is and leave it alone.

Apart the point n. 4 (I hate TOA ) I agree with that 😁

The Devs here made a GREAT job anyway ... thx a lot to them ... sone mistake can happen but dont erase the good work done

/clap Phoenix devs

Mon 17 Aug 2020 4:04 PM by dogghaus72

Ceseuron wrote: ↑
Sun 16 Aug 2020 10:22 PM
Uthred wrote: ↑
Sat 15 Aug 2020 3:37 PM
Either you should log in and enjoy the game (yes, it is still possible even though the DEVs made everything bad here) or dont.

Maybe the devs should stop trying to change the core mechanics of the game in some never-ending quest to "improve" what was working before. Why do you think Live is such a joke now? Because the devs over there took it upon themselves to "improve" the game right into the ground. Have you guys ever stopped and really asked yourselves if a change you're thinking about is really needed, or is even relevant in the spirit of the original game?

Some of the QoL implementations have been great. Crafting improvements, the XP related stuff (tasks, tokens, eggs), and so forth have been spot on. The addition of player horses is an interesting concept and some of the PVE stuff like HoH is a challenging respite from the RVR grind. But the core RVR mechanics keep getting changes that don't need to be implemented. Some ideas:

1. The Flag mini-game. Get rid of it. It's DAOC RVR, not Battlefield or Call of Duty. Yeah, you get zergs. It's DAOC and it's been that way for 20 years. You'll note the game is not called "Dark 8v8 of Camelot", nor is it called "Duel Age of Camelot". It's always been about large scale, epic engagements and siege warfare. That's the spirit of DAOC RVR and the impetus for many of us playing here, and that's the roots you guys need to return to.
2. Put the realm switch timer back to the way it was a year or so ago and leave it alone. Honestly, if it were up to me, the realm switch timer would consist of "Wipe your characters if you want to change realms", but as it is now, all you're doing is encouraging the exact same thing people were claiming wouldn't happen when that whole vote went down to set the realm switch timer to what it is now.
3. Modify the RP gains so that the incentive to PVE empty keeps is removed and active keep defense is encouraged. There should be no RP gains to be had for PVEing doors and taking down empty keeps.
4. You have 2 full expansions of content (ToA and Catacombs) along with additional classes that could be creatively implemented and improved upon with a special Phoenix twist to them.

As it relates to the RVR component, it's like you guys keep walking into the Louvre and saying to yourselves, "You know, I think we can improve the Mona Lisa!" Then you guys wonder why the visitors are getting upset at you as you keep drawing different types of mustaches on her, trying to figure out if the Walrus, the Anchor, or just a nice set of handlebars is going to improve Leonardo da Vinci's masterpiece. Instead of feeling sorry for yourself with such a thinly veiled "woe is the Phoenix devs" comment, perhaps you should try NOT drawing mustaches on the Mona Lisa and instead admire it for the work of art that it is and leave it alone.

I agree with some of your post. No reason to reinvent the wheel. However, the flag mini-game is fine. It gets casuals that don't want to run with the zerg something to do. The server doesn't have the #'s to support the size of frontiers and the flag mini game gives those players that don't want to 8 vs 8 or zerg a place to go and find all sorts of different group sizes. It also gives casual low RR players a chance to figure out the game.

Also, I hate that whole mentality of "No more PvE empty keeps for Rp's..." Why? Do towers not light up when they are attacked? Are those players not out in RvR and participating? In my opinion they do a great job of encouraging ALL players (casual and hard core) to go out and experience RvR. Some people just want fights, others want to take keeps/tower, and others just want to roam around and kill xp'rs. All are welcome and the more people you get into the RvR the more action there is to find. No reason to get rid of this.

They already have good system in place that make it so you can't make much rp's doing "PvE" as you like to put it or doing flag mini games, as the RP rewards drop greatly as you gain RR's. Why is it a bad thing to give low RR's and casuals something to do in the RvR zones? Nobody is going to get high RR by farming these things, and the more people there are in RvR zones the more action there is to have for all playstyles, regardless of what they are doing. Now I would agree that IF you constantly got 1000 rp's for those missions regardless of RR than it might be a problem. However, they scale it down as you gain RR so that way be RR5 it's not much of an impact on your RR by doing these missions.

Mon 17 Aug 2020 8:09 PM by Freakzilla

Thanks Pilz and gang for making an effort to help us out. As you have found out firsthand, mid is a very toxic environment. A very confused realm with no leaders. People who are too proud to sack up and join the zerg to fight the zerg...and if that isnt your thing, that's fine..keep your mouths shut. Go hump your flags and stand around in the frontier towns waiting for your perfectly spec'd meta group. I don't speak for anyone but myself, but I am very busy, and I don't have time to log in and listen to a bunch of toxic bullcrap, or stand around waiting for a bunch of tools to form the perfect group. I want to log in and have fun, but I still like things to be competitive. Midgard's problem is a people problem...nothing more. Now that these guys have been run out of town due to the ungratefulness of some, we can once again enjoy no relics, and a pretty green frontier, and being steam rolled every step we take. We deserve that.

Mon 17 Aug 2020 10:47 PM by Gildar

Freakzilla wrote: ↑
Mon 17 Aug 2020 8:09 PM
Thanks Pilz and gang for making an effort to help us out. As you have found out firsthand, mid is a very toxic environment. A very confused realm with no leaders. People who are too proud to sack up and join the zerg to fight the zerg...and if that isnt your thing, that's fine..keep your mouths shut. Go hump your flags and stand around in the frontier towns waiting for your perfectly spec'd meta group. I don't speak for anyone but myself, but I am very busy, and I don't have time to log in and listen to a bunch of toxic bullcrap, or stand around waiting for a bunch of tools to form the perfect group. I want to log in and have fun, but I still like things to be competitive. Midgard's problem is a people problem...nothing more. Now that these guys have been run out of town due to the ungratefulness of some, we can once again enjoy no relics, and a pretty green frontier, and being steam rolled every step we take. We deserve that.

Tell that to your realmmates..... especially to those like the GM of DT, claiming that the only problem is classes imbalance ... not a people problem.

I read so many post where Mids point out to the toxic environment and/or too proud self-elected pro players as a main problems on Mid .... so why all dont ignote them ? Or tell them in region/lfg/advice to shut up and start run BG staying also after dying ...
We in Hib stay and hold on also if we die 4 times in a row .... and with a BG up consistently casual players have something to do ... and BG number slowly grows up ...

If not .... in Hib BG all are welcome ... any class, any RR, experienced players or newbies ... you always find a grp and can see how nice can be fighting together with your comrades .... no one is left dead on the ground after a fight ... no one is left without a little heal of needed ... try to believe 😆

Mon 17 Aug 2020 11:06 PM by Gildar

twinsonian wrote: ↑
Mon 17 Aug 2020 4:02 PM
Pilz led the bg for a few days and mid was actually competitive again and scoring big fight wins. The other leaders were unwilling to learn from and support him and he left back to hib.

There are many in the BG and in region that are just so toxic. Who would want to play there? On hib, people work together and the BG listens to their leader without yelling "dont tread on me!".

Hib is just a nice place to play in rvr. It has nothing to do with class balance. To be honest, my favorite classes in the game are in Mid, but the Midgard community makes it impossible to play there.

From another discussion ....
Where are now all that mids proclaiming the only problem in mid is a class imbalance ????
Maybe they are just part of the toxic ppl ????

Mon 17 Aug 2020 11:28 PM by boridi

Freakzilla wrote: ↑
Mon 17 Aug 2020 8:09 PM
Thanks Pilz and gang for making an effort to help us out. As you have found out firsthand, mid is a very toxic environment. A very confused realm with no leaders. People who are too proud to sack up and join the zerg to fight the zerg...and if that isnt your thing, that's fine..keep your mouths shut. Go hump your flags and stand around in the frontier towns waiting for your perfectly spec'd meta group. I don't speak for anyone but myself, but I am very busy, and I don't have time to log in and listen to a bunch of toxic bullcrap, or stand around waiting for a bunch of tools to form the perfect group. I want to log in and have fun, but I still like things to be competitive. Midgard's problem is a people problem...nothing more. Now that these guys have been run out of town due to the ungratefulness of some, we can once again enjoy no relics, and a pretty green frontier, and being steam rolled every step we take. We deserve that.

Pilz calling Johny stupid and announcing that he's going back to hib in Johny's BG chat was as toxic as anything else. Hope Pilz is happy back in hib!

Mon 17 Aug 2020 11:34 PM by Wakefield

I have a lot of respect for Johny for rallying us when there was nobody else.

Tue 18 Aug 2020 12:33 AM by Freedomcall

I'm not sure what happened in mid bg lately, but Johny is a very fine leader.
I enjoyed joining his BG.

Tue 18 Aug 2020 12:34 AM by Komaf

Gildar wrote: ↑
Mon 17 Aug 2020 10:47 PM
Freakzilla wrote: ↑
Mon 17 Aug 2020 8:09 PM
Thanks Pilz and gang for making an effort to help us out. As you have found out firsthand, mid is a very toxic environment. A very confused realm with no leaders. People who are too proud to sack up and join the zerg to fight the zerg...and if that isnt your thing, that's fine..keep your mouths shut. Go hump your flags and stand around in the frontier towns waiting for your perfectly spec'd meta group. I don't speak for anyone but myself, but I am very busy, and I don't have time to log in and listen to a bunch of toxic bullcrap, or stand around waiting for a bunch of tools to form the perfect group. I want to log in and have fun, but I still like things to be competitive. Midgard's problem is a people problem...nothing more. Now that these guys have been run out of town due to the ungratefulness of some, we can once again enjoy no relics, and a pretty green frontier, and being steam rolled every step we take. We deserve that.

Tell that to your realmmates..... especially to those like the GM of DT, claiming that the only problem is classes imbalance ... not a people problem.

I read so many post where Mids point out to the toxic environment and/or too proud self-elected pro players as a main problems on Mid .... so why all dont ignote them ? Or tell them in region/lfg/advice to shut up and start run BG staying also after dying ...
We in Hib stay and hold on also if we die 4 times in a row .... and with a BG up consistently casual players have something to do ... and BG number slowly grows up ...

If not .... in Hib BG all are welcome ... any class, any RR, experienced players or newbies ... you always find a grp and can see how nice can be fighting together with your comrades .... no one is left dead on the ground after a fight ... no one is left without a little heal of needed ... try to believe 😆

Wipes a tear. Are such things possible? Hibernia - the realm where any class and RR is welcome?

In reality, Hib is by far the worst realm if you want to level anything that doesn't carry a staff, small shield, or a harp. It might be different in the BG, but, unlike Mid, for example where I have at least a small chance of a group as a melee, Hib is by far terrible to get anywhere near 50 in. Alb is fairly crappy too, to be fair for melee invites as DAoC and this shard, in general, is all about the bomb group seeking more bombs because they have bombs LFM group spam.

Sigh.

Tue 18 Aug 2020 12:59 AM by Freedomcall

lol I find it funny some people here have some kind of fantasy or over-pride on current hib BG.
Everything is beautiful when their realm is dominating.

Alb have hardly had any problem when Harder was dominating.
He was farming rps for hours just like current hib BG does and nothing could stop them.
When Grumpybutt was taking tower/keeps everyday on NA time, lots of people including hibs blamed him for "ruining the server".
I remember hibs becoming extremely toxic about GTAOE and HP increase update, and blaming those for their loss.
You could see lots of hibs in BG rage quit after wipe and Pilz was ranting that people in BG didn't follow him.

Conclusion? Of course there will be a bit difference on degree of toxicity, based on each realm, but there is no perfect wonderland.
Enjoy dominating the server, but don't be too cringey XD

Tue 18 Aug 2020 5:20 AM by Dunga

...time for a task change! i want my keeptasks back!
at least gives me a little rps and fun and I don't have to hang around in the fz town or be run over 24/7 without a chance

Tue 18 Aug 2020 6:43 AM by Gildar

Komaf wrote: ↑
Tue 18 Aug 2020 12:34 AM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Mon 17 Aug 2020 10:47 PM
Freakzilla wrote: ↑
Mon 17 Aug 2020 8:09 PM
Thanks Pilz and gang for making an effort to help us out. As you have found out firsthand, mid is a very toxic environment. A very confused realm with no leaders. People who are too proud to sack up and join the zerg to fight the zerg...and if that isnt your thing, that's fine..keep your mouths shut. Go hump your flags and stand around in the frontier towns waiting for your perfectly spec'd meta group. I don't speak for anyone but myself, but I am very busy, and I don't have time to log in and listen to a bunch of toxic bullcrap, or stand around waiting for a bunch of tools to form the perfect group. I want to log in and have fun, but I still like things to be competitive. Midgard's problem is a people problem...nothing more. Now that these guys have been run out of town due to the ungratefulness of some, we can once again enjoy no relics, and a pretty green frontier, and being steam rolled every step we take. We deserve that.

Tell that to your realmmates..... especially to those like the GM of DT, claiming that the only problem is classes imbalance ... not a people problem.

I read so many post where Mids point out to the toxic environment and/or too proud self-elected pro players as a main problems on Mid .... so why all dont ignote them ? Or tell them in region/lfg/advice to shut up and start run BG staying also after dying ...
We in Hib stay and hold on also if we die 4 times in a row .... and with a BG up consistently casual players have something to do ... and BG number slowly grows up ...

If not .... in Hib BG all are welcome ... any class, any RR, experienced players or newbies ... you always find a grp and can see how nice can be fighting together with your comrades .... no one is left dead on the ground after a fight ... no one is left without a little heal of needed ... try to believe 😆

Wipes a tear. Are such things possible? Hibernia - the realm where any class and RR is welcome?

In reality, Hib is by far the worst realm if you want to level anything that doesn't carry a staff, small shield, or a harp. It might be different in the BG, but, unlike Mid, for example where I have at least a small chance of a group as a melee, Hib is by far terrible to get anywhere near 50 in. Alb is fairly crappy too, to be fair for melee invites as DAoC and this shard, in general, is all about the bomb group seeking more bombs because they have bombs LFM group spam.

Sigh.

False.

My main is a BM and i level to 50 in one week.
Also i find grp in BG. And no one have ask to ne what RR i am before grouping me.

If you never tried join a BG in Hib you must shut up .
Talk to things you know pls.

Tue 18 Aug 2020 6:53 AM by Gildar

Freedomcall wrote: ↑
Tue 18 Aug 2020 12:59 AM
lol I find it funny some people here have some kind of fantasy or over-pride on current hib BG.
Everything is beautiful when their realm is dominating.

Alb have hardly had any problem when Harder was dominating.
He was farming rps for hours just like current hib BG does and nothing could stop them.
When Grumpybutt was taking tower/keeps everyday on NA time, lots of people including hibs blamed him for "ruining the server".
I remember hibs becoming extremely toxic about GTAOE and HP increase update, and blaming those for their loss.
You could see lots of hibs in BG rage quit after wipe and Pilz was ranting that people in BG didn't follow him.

Conclusion? Of course there will be a bit difference on degree of toxicity, based on each realm, but there is no perfect wonderland.
Enjoy dominating the server, but don't be too cringey XD

Yes maybe you are right ... Maybe not.
I play only Hib and it is 1 year i play Phoenix and remember the time we cant exit by CG without be steamrolled ....
We release and retry ... very few quit BG.
You was here ? Or you talk in theory ?
Pilz, like many other BG leaders, rant ppl dont follow but in reality 80% of BG follow ... but a lead want 100%

Anyway, i repeat .... try join before talk.

Hib domination have to end at some point, but i hope that dont change Hib environment.

Tue 18 Aug 2020 9:31 AM by Dagobernd

Pilzpower here, Hi my Friends.

The Mid German Ally asked me yesterday, Pilz we have 3 Raid Days in week atm, you will help us, when you come, you can lead and get all our Support,
and i said, that is absolut no Problem for me.
When it helps i will do that.
For sure some PPl say oh no, Toxic People, but i give a ........... for them.
But you will see, when we win and create fantastic Nig Battles and make good RPs they will all come help!!!! Toxic or Not.

See you soon on the Battlefield

Pilzpower aka Bone

Tue 18 Aug 2020 12:35 PM by Shalee

I am of the opinion that realm switch could be useful only to balance the fights. ATM the problem of Midgard is pure leadership and not of numbers.
/u and you can see it.
There was a period when Midgard had 2 BG simultaneously ; German with Wartock & Co + Giosakis and sometimes other ally-made bg that follows.
Alb had other such as Harder and now Polemo and Barachan/Solicfire (those last 2 are also very keen players IMHO)
Pilz , weather you like his method or not, always ran his on realm BG and he has created a group of people that follow him.

Asking Pilz to "Help" the realm is wrong especially after the experience where he was offering his "Knowledge" and was treated as a dirty spy.
As a matter of fact, the German ally BG was the more performing. I would really like to fight VS them.
Perhaps they could open their BG to other nationality and gain more followers to the BG.

my 2 cents.

cya in game
Sheldon.

Tue 18 Aug 2020 1:49 PM by gnefner

Gildar wrote: ↑
Tue 18 Aug 2020 6:43 AM
Komaf wrote: ↑
Tue 18 Aug 2020 12:34 AM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Mon 17 Aug 2020 10:47 PM
Freakzilla wrote: ↑
Mon 17 Aug 2020 8:09 PM
Thanks Pilz and gang for making an effort to help us out. As you have found out firsthand, mid is a very toxic environment. A very confused realm with no leaders. People who are too proud to sack up and join the zerg to fight the zerg...and if that isnt your thing, that's fine..keep your mouths shut. Go hump your flags and stand around in the frontier towns waiting for your perfectly spec'd meta group. I don't speak for anyone but myself, but I am very busy, and I don't have time to log in and listen to a bunch of toxic bullcrap, or stand around waiting for a bunch of tools to form the perfect group. I want to log in and have fun, but I still like things to be competitive. Midgard's problem is a people problem...nothing more. Now that these guys have been run out of town due to the ungratefulness of some, we can once again enjoy no relics, and a pretty green frontier, and being steam rolled every step we take. We deserve that.

Tell that to your realmmates..... especially to those like the GM of DT, claiming that the only problem is classes imbalance ... not a people problem.

I read so many post where Mids point out to the toxic environment and/or too proud self-elected pro players as a main problems on Mid .... so why all dont ignote them ? Or tell them in region/lfg/advice to shut up and start run BG staying also after dying ...
We in Hib stay and hold on also if we die 4 times in a row .... and with a BG up consistently casual players have something to do ... and BG number slowly grows up ...

If not .... in Hib BG all are welcome ... any class, any RR, experienced players or newbies ... you always find a grp and can see how nice can be fighting together with your comrades .... no one is left dead on the ground after a fight ... no one is left without a little heal of needed ... try to believe 😆

Wipes a tear. Are such things possible? Hibernia - the realm where any class and RR is welcome?

In reality, Hib is by far the worst realm if you want to level anything that doesn't carry a staff, small shield, or a harp. It might be different in the BG, but, unlike Mid, for example where I have at least a small chance of a group as a melee, Hib is by far terrible to get anywhere near 50 in. Alb is fairly crappy too, to be fair for melee invites as DAoC and this shard, in general, is all about the bomb group seeking more bombs because they have bombs LFM group spam.

Sigh.

False.

My main is a BM and i level to 50 in one week.
Also i find grp in BG. And no one have ask to ne what RR i am before grouping me.

If you never tried join a BG in Hib you must shut up .
Talk to things you know pls.

Not false.. Leveling in Hib IS utter garbage, unless your a healer, bomber or a shield tank.. This is facts.. unless you're with a group of friends..

Tue 18 Aug 2020 2:08 PM by Freedomcall

Gildar wrote: ↑
Tue 18 Aug 2020 6:53 AM
Freedomcall wrote: ↑
Tue 18 Aug 2020 12:59 AM
lol I find it funny some people here have some kind of fantasy or over-pride on current hib BG.
Everything is beautiful when their realm is dominating.

Alb have hardly had any problem when Harder was dominating.
He was farming rps for hours just like current hib BG does and nothing could stop them.
When Grumpybutt was taking tower/keeps everyday on NA time, lots of people including hibs blamed him for "ruining the server".
I remember hibs becoming extremely toxic about GTAOE and HP increase update, and blaming those for their loss.
You could see lots of hibs in BG rage quit after wipe and Pilz was ranting that people in BG didn't follow him.

Conclusion? Of course there will be a bit difference on degree of toxicity, based on each realm, but there is no perfect wonderland.
Enjoy dominating the server, but don't be too cringey XD

Yes maybe you are right ... Maybe not.
I play only Hib and it is 1 year i play Phoenix and remember the time we cant exit by CG without be steamrolled ....
We release and retry ... very few quit BG.
You was here ? Or you talk in theory ?
Pilz, like many other BG leaders, rant ppl dont follow but in reality 80% of BG follow ... but a lead want 100%

Anyway, i repeat .... try join before talk.

Hib domination have to end at some point, but i hope that dont change Hib environment.

Of course I am talking about what I saw in hib.
I play all 3 realms and I try my best whatever realm I choose that day.
You are saying you only play hib and it rather seems to me that you are talking about Mid "in theory".
Don't try to judge everything only by reading things on forum

Tue 18 Aug 2020 2:34 PM by Gildar

Freedomcall wrote: ↑
Tue 18 Aug 2020 2:08 PM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Tue 18 Aug 2020 6:53 AM
Freedomcall wrote: ↑
Tue 18 Aug 2020 12:59 AM
lol I find it funny some people here have some kind of fantasy or over-pride on current hib BG.
Everything is beautiful when their realm is dominating.

Alb have hardly had any problem when Harder was dominating.
He was farming rps for hours just like current hib BG does and nothing could stop them.
When Grumpybutt was taking tower/keeps everyday on NA time, lots of people including hibs blamed him for "ruining the server".
I remember hibs becoming extremely toxic about GTAOE and HP increase update, and blaming those for their loss.
You could see lots of hibs in BG rage quit after wipe and Pilz was ranting that people in BG didn't follow him.

Conclusion? Of course there will be a bit difference on degree of toxicity, based on each realm, but there is no perfect wonderland.
Enjoy dominating the server, but don't be too cringey XD

Yes maybe you are right ... Maybe not.
I play only Hib and it is 1 year i play Phoenix and remember the time we cant exit by CG without be steamrolled ....
We release and retry ... very few quit BG.
You was here ? Or you talk in theory ?
Pilz, like many other BG leaders, rant ppl dont follow but in reality 80% of BG follow ... but a lead want 100%

Anyway, i repeat .... try join before talk.

Hib domination have to end at some point, but i hope that dont change Hib environment.

Of course I am talking about what I saw in hib.
I play all 3 realms and I try my best whatever realm I choose that day.
You are saying you only play hib and it rather seems to me that you are talking about Mid "in theory".
Don't try to judge everything only by reading things on forum

Good point.
I read so many Mids writing about toxic ppl so i believe this is true .... or all forumers are liers ... and all according to write the same thing.

Btw ... I play ever in Hib BG and dont see that many ppl ragequitting as you talk ... so i'm not sure you know well the situation .
Maybe you have bad luck ...

Tue 18 Aug 2020 10:38 PM by Kevan89

Gildar wrote: ↑
Tue 18 Aug 2020 2:34 PM
Freedomcall wrote: ↑
Tue 18 Aug 2020 2:08 PM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Tue 18 Aug 2020 6:53 AM
Freedomcall wrote: ↑
Tue 18 Aug 2020 12:59 AM
lol I find it funny some people here have some kind of fantasy or over-pride on current hib BG.
Everything is beautiful when their realm is dominating.

Alb have hardly had any problem when Harder was dominating.
He was farming rps for hours just like current hib BG does and nothing could stop them.
When Grumpybutt was taking tower/keeps everyday on NA time, lots of people including hibs blamed him for "ruining the server".
I remember hibs becoming extremely toxic about GTAOE and HP increase update, and blaming those for their loss.
You could see lots of hibs in BG rage quit after wipe and Pilz was ranting that people in BG didn't follow him.

Conclusion? Of course there will be a bit difference on degree of toxicity, based on each realm, but there is no perfect wonderland.
Enjoy dominating the server, but don't be too cringey XD

Yes maybe you are right ... Maybe not.
I play only Hib and it is 1 year i play Phoenix and remember the time we cant exit by CG without be steamrolled ....
We release and retry ... very few quit BG.
You was here ? Or you talk in theory ?
Pilz, like many other BG leaders, rant ppl dont follow but in reality 80% of BG follow ... but a lead want 100%

Anyway, i repeat .... try join before talk.

Hib domination have to end at some point, but i hope that dont change Hib environment.

Of course I am talking about what I saw in hib.
I play all 3 realms and I try my best whatever realm I choose that day.
You are saying you only play hib and it rather seems to me that you are talking about Mid "in theory".
Don't try to judge everything only by reading things on forum
Good point.
I read so many Mids writing about toxic ppl so i believe this is true .... or all forumers are liers ... and all according to write the same thing.
Btw ... I play ever in Hib BG and dont see that many ppl ragequitting as you talk ... so i'm not sure you know well the situation .
Maybe you have bad luck ...

So, finally you admitted that you just actually don't know what is going on on Mid and just "read" about toxicity. Cool

Wed 19 Aug 2020 6:46 AM by Gildar

What i read is coming from Johny or Roasty, and Anatazeya seems genuine as well.

But maybe your BG leaders dont know the reality in Mid ....

Wed 19 Aug 2020 7:24 AM by Valaraukar

Kevan89 wrote: ↑
Tue 18 Aug 2020 10:38 PM
.....
So, finally you admitted that you just actually don't know what is going on on Mid and just "read" about toxicity. Cool

THIS!

Wed 19 Aug 2020 9:17 AM by Kevan89

Gildar wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 6:46 AM
What i read is coming from Johny or Roasty, and Anatazeya seems genuine as well.

But maybe your BG leaders dont know the reality in Mid ....

Yet, those are just opinions of few ppl (which may know the situation or not). As far as I'm concerned few ppl does not make a STATEMENT of situation concerning an entire population/community, same statement you are recurrently reporting as an absolute truth in this forum in every single fucking post you do (and the noakshara guy, whatever his/her name is).
So, let's do a thingy next time when you want to write about what is going on Mid, breath....and stop writing, cuz seems you write without knowing (and usually that sound ridicolous).

/cheers

Wed 19 Aug 2020 12:20 PM by Gildar

Kevan89 wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 9:17 AM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 6:46 AM
What i read is coming from Johny or Roasty, and Anatazeya seems genuine as well.

But maybe your BG leaders dont know the reality in Mid ....
Yet, those are just opinions of few ppl (which may know the situation or not). As far as I'm concerned few ppl does not make a STATEMENT of situation concerning an entire population/community, same statement you are recurrently reporting as an absolute truth in this forum in every single fucking post you do (and the noakshara guy, whatever his/her name is).
So, let's do a thingy next time when you want to write about what is going on Mid, breath....and stop writing, cuz seems you write without knowing (and usually that sound ridicolous).

/cheers

I can enlist many post where Mids players tell the same things about the toxic environment in Mid ... make a little search and you'll found dozens ... also an entire discussion in mid forum ... but all are.liers obviously ^^

And your 3 main BG leaders tell the same ... oh sry but probably you are one of the Gods of Mid Pantheon and your leaders are just not important and dont know the situation of the realm they lead ....

/rofl ... your words are just ridicolous like the words of a GM of DT ... ridi ridi Valaukar che la mamma ha fatto i gnocchi ... e continua a rellare ogni volta he i vostri 2 fg incontrano 1 gruppo nemico e non small o soloers

To touch the real situation in mid 2 days ago i start a shammy ... Now level 30 ... until lev 18 i exp alone because no one answer my lfg for xp in chat ...
After to found a grp i have to spam shaman lfg exp for 1 hour ... and when i join we was 5 and after 2 hours full of discussion between the zerk leader and the thane ... grp disband ragequitting lol ... great experience indeed

Wed 19 Aug 2020 12:25 PM by Wakefield

Most people levelling tons now are not midldies but those who have changed realm recently.

Wed 19 Aug 2020 12:38 PM by Valaraukar

Wakefield wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 12:25 PM
Most people levelling tons now are not midldies but those who have changed realm recently.

shhh.. don't make him wake from his dreams

I'm quite happy that his lvl experience in Mid has been so awful so we don't have the risk to have him on a 50lvl toon in our "toxic" realm.

Wed 19 Aug 2020 12:59 PM by Kevan89

Gildar wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 12:20 PM
Kevan89 wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 9:17 AM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 6:46 AM
What i read is coming from Johny or Roasty, and Anatazeya seems genuine as well.

But maybe your BG leaders dont know the reality in Mid ....
Yet, those are just opinions of few ppl (which may know the situation or not). As far as I'm concerned few ppl does not make a STATEMENT of situation concerning an entire population/community, same statement you are recurrently reporting as an absolute truth in this forum in every single fucking post you do (and the noakshara guy, whatever his/her name is).
So, let's do a thingy next time when you want to write about what is going on Mid, breath....and stop writing, cuz seems you write without knowing (and usually that sound ridicolous).

/cheers

I can enlist many post where Mids players tell the same things about the toxic environment in Mid ... make a little search and you'll found dozens ... also an entire discussion in mid forum ... but all are.liers obviously ^^

And your 3 main BG leaders tell the same ... oh sry but probably you are one of the Gods of Mid Pantheon and your leaders are just not important and dont know the situation of the realm they lead ....

/rofl ... your words are just ridicolous like the words of a GM of DT ... ridi ridi Valaukar che la mamma ha fatto i gnocchi ... e continua a rellare ogni volta he i vostri 2 fg incontrano 1 gruppo nemico e non small o soloers

To touch the real situation in mid 2 days ago i start a shammy ... Now level 30 ... until lev 18 i exp alone because no one answer my lfg for xp in chat ...
After to found a grp i have to spam shaman lfg exp for 1 hour ... and when i join we was 5 and after 2 hours full of discussion between the zerk leader and the thane ... grp disband ragequitting lol ... great experience indeed

Did I say that there are not toxic people in Mid? Nope.
Did I say that is ridicolous to state that Midgard is in bad shape ONLY because of Toxic people in the realm? Yes.

Are you actually being toxic mentioning other's player mom in a forum? definitely yes.

Can this discussion be locked as it is not going anywhere actually?

Wed 19 Aug 2020 1:01 PM by Gildar

Valaraukar wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 12:38 PM
Wakefield wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 12:25 PM
Most people levelling tons now are not midldies but those who have changed realm recently.

shhh.. don't make him wake from his dreams

I'm quite happy that his lvl experience in Mid has been so awful so we don't have the risk to have him on a 50lvl toon in our "toxic" realm.

No problem ... not my target to hit 50 ... I want only to see with my eyes how goes things on Mid ... already delete the char ...

I lost my time for nothing ... believing your words about a wonderful environment in Mid lol

Almost i tried... you ? Stay sitting at top of your opinion and dont go see with your eyes the real things like i tried to do ....

Bye bye all ... you deserve what you have ... flag zergers ... 1 or soon 0 relics ... frontier Red/green ... being steamrolled by Hibs and albs all the time ...

But dont come here on forum whining and praying Devs to make something to help you poor babies

Wed 19 Aug 2020 1:05 PM by Gildar

Kevan89 wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 12:59 PM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 12:20 PM
Kevan89 wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 9:17 AM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 6:46 AM
What i read is coming from Johny or Roasty, and Anatazeya seems genuine as well.

But maybe your BG leaders dont know the reality in Mid ....
Yet, those are just opinions of few ppl (which may know the situation or not). As far as I'm concerned few ppl does not make a STATEMENT of situation concerning an entire population/community, same statement you are recurrently reporting as an absolute truth in this forum in every single fucking post you do (and the noakshara guy, whatever his/her name is).
So, let's do a thingy next time when you want to write about what is going on Mid, breath....and stop writing, cuz seems you write without knowing (and usually that sound ridicolous).

/cheers

I can enlist many post where Mids players tell the same things about the toxic environment in Mid ... make a little search and you'll found dozens ... also an entire discussion in mid forum ... but all are.liers obviously ^^

And your 3 main BG leaders tell the same ... oh sry but probably you are one of the Gods of Mid Pantheon and your leaders are just not important and dont know the situation of the realm they lead ....

/rofl ... your words are just ridicolous like the words of a GM of DT ... ridi ridi Valaukar che la mamma ha fatto i gnocchi ... e continua a rellare ogni volta he i vostri 2 fg incontrano 1 gruppo nemico e non small o soloers

To touch the real situation in mid 2 days ago i start a shammy ... Now level 30 ... until lev 18 i exp alone because no one answer my lfg for xp in chat ...
After to found a grp i have to spam shaman lfg exp for 1 hour ... and when i join we was 5 and after 2 hours full of discussion between the zerk leader and the thane ... grp disband ragequitting lol ... great experience indeed
Did I say that there are not toxic people in Mid? Nope.
Did I say that is ridicolous to state that Midgard is in bad shape ONLY because of Toxic people in the realm? Yes.

Are you actually being toxic mentioning other's player mom in a forum? definitely yes.

Can this discussion be locked as it is not going anywhere actually?

Ok you are italian or only using google translate ?
If you are italian you know that is a dialectical form with no offense at all ... but a simple laughing dict ... it you are not italian dont speak about things you cant comprehend.
Thanks

Wed 19 Aug 2020 1:06 PM by Kevan89

Gildar wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 1:01 PM
But dont come here on forum whining and praying Devs to make something to help you poor babies

Woah and they say Middies are the toxic ones in here.
:V

Wed 19 Aug 2020 1:09 PM by Kevan89

Gildar wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 1:05 PM
random shits he said

Italian here, and you don't get the point, you are actually not supposed to even mention other's player family, as it has no value for the discussion. This is being toxic, in my opinion, the same toxicity you criticize happening in Midgard.

Wed 19 Aug 2020 1:18 PM by Gildar

Kevan89 wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 1:09 PM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 1:05 PM
random shits he said
Italian here, and you don't get the point, you are actually not supposed to even mention other's player family, as it has no value for the discussion. This is being toxic, in my opinion, the same toxicity you criticize happening in Midgard.

If italian you know very well that dialectical form ...
No offense at all ... no mention of a real family ... only a form dialectical ...

The things you write only confirm how toxic you are ... also the rewriting of quote "random shit" confirm that ...
I never have said or call shit ( like you do with me) the things write by others ... and i'm toxic ?

LOL ....

In italian (sry to other language speaking) ... torna nell'ovetto coi tuoi amicici

vai a bandierine va

Wed 19 Aug 2020 1:40 PM by Kevan89

Gildar wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 1:18 PM
Kevan89 wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 1:09 PM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 1:05 PM
random shits he said
Italian here, and you don't get the point, you are actually not supposed to even mention other's player family, as it has no value for the discussion. This is being toxic, in my opinion, the same toxicity you criticize happening in Midgard.
If italian you know very well that dialectical form ...
No offense at all ... no mention of a real family ... only a form dialectical ...

The things you write only confirm how toxic you are ... also the rewriting of quote "random shit" confirm that ...
I never have said or call shit ( like you do with me) the things write by others ... and i'm toxic ?

LOL ....

In italian (sry to other language speaking) ... torna nell'ovetto coi tuoi amicici vai a bandierine va

Such a mature and not toxic player you are, again pretending to know how i play without even know who I am.
First you mention other peoples family, now you just sent me "to go home, together with my friends" (if this can be the translation), so when you ask me: Am I toxic? Actually yes.

Wed 19 Aug 2020 2:45 PM by Sepplord

Gildar wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 1:01 PM
No problem ... not my target to hit 50 ... I want only to see with my eyes how goes things on Mid ... already delete the char ...

Did you really want to "test midgard toxicity" and your testsetup was to make one char and level them for a few hours and then come to a conclusion?

Have you ever heard about "anecdotal evidence"?

Wed 19 Aug 2020 2:54 PM by Gildar

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 2:45 PM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 1:01 PM
No problem ... not my target to hit 50 ... I want only to see with my eyes how goes things on Mid ... already delete the char ...

Did you really want to "test midgard toxicity" and your testsetup was to make one char and level them for a few hours and then come to a conclusion?

Have you ever heard about "anecdotal evidence"?

I made only a little test with no relevance i know well... I only tried as i wrote before ... because i never played on Mid ...

But i never tell that mid is toxic, i read only many Mids telling that and wanna do a little try ... unlucky experience with no doubt ...

But i tried ... unlike many others here that sentence without trying none, but whining alot

Anyway dont matter to me if mid is or is not toxic ....
I discuss only about the problem in RvR ... Mids is still missing and cant believe there is all that classes imbalance someone call to excuse the abandon of RvR by mid realm.

Imho

Wed 19 Aug 2020 3:02 PM by Gildar

Kevan89 wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 1:40 PM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 1:18 PM
Kevan89 wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 1:09 PM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 1:05 PM
random shits he said
Italian here, and you don't get the point, you are actually not supposed to even mention other's player family, as it has no value for the discussion. This is being toxic, in my opinion, the same toxicity you criticize happening in Midgard.
If italian you know very well that dialectical form ...
No offense at all ... no mention of a real family ... only a form dialectical ...

The things you write only confirm how toxic you are ... also the rewriting of quote "random shit" confirm that ...
I never have said or call shit ( like you do with me) the things write by others ... and i'm toxic ?

LOL ....

In italian (sry to other language speaking) ... torna nell'ovetto coi tuoi amicici vai a bandierine va
Such a mature and not toxic player you are, again pretending to know how i play without even know who I am.
First you mention other peoples family, now you just sent me "to go home, together with my friends" (if this can be the translation), so when you ask me: Am I toxic? Actually yes.

Wrong translation mate .... you are not italian by evidence ... so stop flaming about me.
Also you still referred about family .... that demonstrate you are not italian ... google translate cant translate that dialectical phrase used daily in Italy to joke with friends at bar/pub with no offense at all ... so bye whatever you are from.

Wed 19 Aug 2020 3:14 PM by Sepplord

Gildar wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 2:54 PM
I made only a little test with no relevance i know well...

Why mention something that you believe has no relevance?

Malice or stupidity, feel free to add another option, maybe i forgot, but to me it doesn't seem you are discussing in good faith

Same reason why you keep using italian joke phrases while responding to someone that you know doesn't understand your special dialect and uses google translate to understand what you are saying. And then lecture them about how they keep misunderstanding you

Wed 19 Aug 2020 3:34 PM by skipari

Gildar wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 3:02 PM
Wrong translation mate .... you are not italian by evidence ... so stop flaming about me.
Also you still referred about family .... that demonstrate you are not italian ... google translate cant translate that dialectical phrase used daily in Italy to joke with friends at bar/pub with no offense at all ... so bye whatever you are from.

There is an RFC called "Netiquette Guidelines" from 1995 which you probably should read if you've a spare minute.

Some quote from this for example:

- Remember that the recipient is a human being whose culture,
language, and humor have different points of reference from your
own. Remember that date formats, measurements, and idioms may
not travel well. Be especially careful with sarcasm.

https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt

I know these heated forum discussions are not really worth a serious read. But having a guy using a different language with some kind of special dialect and then flaming other readers if they try to translate that is like watching a clown show.

Wed 19 Aug 2020 3:38 PM by Gildar

skipari wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 3:34 PM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 3:02 PM
Wrong translation mate .... you are not italian by evidence ... so stop flaming about me.
Also you still referred about family .... that demonstrate you are not italian ... google translate cant translate that dialectical phrase used daily in Italy to joke with friends at bar/pub with no offense at all ... so bye whatever you are from.

There is an RFC called "Netiquette Guidelines" from 1995 which you probably should read if you've a spare minute.

Some quote from this for example:
- Remember that the recipient is a human being whose culture,
language, and humor have different points of reference from your
own. Remember that date formats, measurements, and idioms may
not travel well. Be especially careful with sarcasm.

https://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1855.txt

I know these heated forum discussions are not really worth a serious read. But having a guy using a different language with some kind of special dialect and then flaming other readers if they try to translate that is like watching a clown show.

You are right and i admit my mistake ... no problem.
I want only joke with another italian player so i wrote in italian and in a dialectical form exactly to not disturb others ...
And in reference of other reader before replay i ask to him if is italian and he say YES.

Anyway, if my writing in italian have disturbed someone
I'm really sorry ... not my intention ...

Wed 19 Aug 2020 3:44 PM by Kevan89

Gildar wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 3:02 PM
Kevan89 wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 1:40 PM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 1:18 PM
Kevan89 wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 1:09 PM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 1:05 PM
random shits he said
Italian here, and you don't get the point, you are actually not supposed to even mention other's player family, as it has no value for the discussion. This is being toxic, in my opinion, the same toxicity you criticize happening in Midgard.
If italian you know very well that dialectical form ...
No offense at all ... no mention of a real family ... only a form dialectical ...

The things you write only confirm how toxic you are ... also the rewriting of quote "random shit" confirm that ...
I never have said or call shit ( like you do with me) the things write by others ... and i'm toxic ?

LOL ....

In italian (sry to other language speaking) ... torna nell'ovetto coi tuoi amicici vai a bandierine va
Such a mature and not toxic player you are, again pretending to know how i play without even know who I am.
First you mention other peoples family, now you just sent me "to go home, together with my friends" (if this can be the translation), so when you ask me: Am I toxic? Actually yes.

Wrong translation mate .... you are not italian by evidence ... so stop flaming about me.
Also you still referred about family .... that demonstrate you are not italian ... google translate cant translate that dialectical phrase used daily in Italy to joke with friends at bar/pub with no offense at all ... so bye whatever you are from.

Once again assuming without any info.
I'm actually a guy from Sicily who relocated on 2015 abroad for Job, so I guess I can be yest considered an Italian, yet you are assume I'm not. Do I need to show you my ID card, officer
Also, once again you seem not catching the point, maybe If i would write in Italian you would get it easier. The comments you have made on me and the other DT guy are entirely off topic and mean to attack the person instead of challenge the argument the person is giving you.
What is the value to a discussion in you saying the opposite side "go home" (I know it is not literally what you wrote there, the sentence was so childish that I could not even find a way to translate it to English properly, sorry for that, I you could help me in that I would be glad)? Or to tell the other DT guy "to not cry as the Mom got the pasta ready for him"?
I will answer for you, none at all.

Wed 19 Aug 2020 3:55 PM by Gildar

Last reply to you here ... after i ignore you at all
As i said to you in another discussion you only wanna flame without arguments and bla bla. Again a totally wrong translation Anyway.

You are not italian ok so You cant understand italian dialectical form ... but an intelligent person dont flame about things he dont understand ..

My first statement is ... Smile mom have pasta ready ... in italian dialect ... be happy pasta is ready so no worry about anything ... where is offence ????

My second statement is .... continue play in your manner with your friends entourage and dont bother to me .... again ... where is offense ???

I already tell all i'm sorry writing in dialectical form ....

Now you know the right translation and i wait your excuses to have attacked me without any reason ... if you are a mature player.
We all can see now

Wed 19 Aug 2020 4:03 PM by Kevan89

Gildar wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 3:55 PM
Last reply to you here ... after i ignore you at all
As i said to you in another discussion you only wanna flame without arguments and bla bla. Again a totally wrong translation Anyway.

You are not italian ok so You cant understand italian dialectical form ... but an intelligent person dont flame about things he dont understand ..

My first statement is ... Smile mom have pasta ready ... in italian dialect ... be happy pasta is ready so no worry about anything ... where is offence ????

My second statement is .... continue play in your manner with your friends entourage and dont bother to me .... again ... where is offense ???

I already tell all i'm sorry writing in dialectical form ....

Now you know the right translation and i wait your excuses to have attacked me without any reason ... if you are a mature player.
Se all can see now

You see? You do not understand what I write, I'm saying that your comments are entirely off topic and even if not offensive they are meant to attack on a personal level the person you are talking to.
Once again I'm Italian and people assuming shits they don't know are the most annoying situation I could think of, actually.

ITA: Onestamente non ti devo dimostrare in nessun modo di essere italiano, ma l'occasione per farti capire ancora una volta che sei molto infantile presumendo cose che non sai era toppo ghiotta e onestamente non la perderò. Posso fare un salto sul tuo discord per una chiacchierata se non ti fossi ancora convinto

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Wed 19 Aug 2020 5:08 PM by Gildar

Kevan89 wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 4:03 PM
Gildar wrote: ↑
Wed 19 Aug 2020 3:55 PM
Last reply to you here ... after i ignore you at all
As i said to you in another discussion you only wanna flame without arguments and bla bla. Again a totally wrong translation Anyway.

You are not italian ok so You cant understand italian dialectical form ... but an intelligent person dont flame about things he dont understand ..

My first statement is ... Smile mom have pasta ready ... in italian dialect ... be happy pasta is ready so no worry about anything ... where is offence ????

My second statement is .... continue play in your manner with your friends entourage and dont bother to me .... again ... where is offense ???

I already tell all i'm sorry writing in dialectical form ....

Now you know the right translation and i wait your excuses to have attacked me without any reason ... if you are a mature player.
Se all can see now
You see? You do not understand what I write, I'm saying that your comments are entirely off topic and even if not offensive they are meant to attack on a personal level the person you are talking to.
Once again I'm Italian and people assuming shits they don't know are the most annoying situation I could think of, actually.

ITA: Onestamente non ti devo dimostrare in nessun modo di essere italiano, ma l'occasione per farti capire ancora una volta che sei molto infantile presumendo cose che non sai era toppo ghiotta e onestamente non la perderò. Posso fare un salto sul tuo discord per una chiacchierata se non ti fossi ancora convinto .

Ok so no excuse and another shit on me ... now all can see the person you are ...

ITA: nemmeno per sogno ... traduci anche questo :p

Addio

Wed 19 Aug 2020 6:30 PM by

Beckett

Locking this thread as it seems to have lost its purpose