New 'Permanent PvP Zone' - Phoenix Freeshard

Greetings,

I'd like to discuss the addition of the new 'Permanent PvP Zone'. This sounds like an exciting feature that I'm sure a lot of people are going to enjoy including myself. However, I think if it is either permanent, or allows a large group size it will severely diminish the action you find in the frontiers. During NA primetime and later the action is already sparse and requires alot more running around to find. When the last PvP event was active there was hardly anyone in the frontier. The event was still great and I know lots of people had tons of fun. Having this be a permanent thing however, could severely limit the action seen during these times (7pm CST and beyond).

We only have a small sample size to determine how something like this event could affect the overall RvR action on this server during these times. However, I think it is worth considering either diminishing rewards in the event zone to encourage RvR in the frontiers, Limit group size or make it solo only (as i know many solo players dieing for something like this).

Sat 2 May 2020 6:25 PM by thirian24

Maybe if FGs didn't roll over everything they seen except other FGs, this wouldn't be an issue at all.

NA prime isn't near as bad as EU prime tho.

Sat 2 May 2020 6:59 PM by Durzo

thirian24 wrote: ↑
Sat 2 May 2020 6:25 PM
Maybe if FGs didn't roll over everything they seen except other FGs, this wouldn't be an issue at all.

NA prime isn't near as bad as EU prime tho.

This is just an effect that happens to everyone and is not limited to FGs. I've been killed solo by small mans, duos, ect... Been chased in an 8 man by a BG. Just the way it goes. Siphoning off players into random instanced zones where the rewards are comparable to frontiers will just diminish the Frontiers experience for everyone except BGs.

Sat 2 May 2020 7:08 PM by Riac

This talk of spreading action is confusing. If you're in a group trying to fight another group and they aren't in fz, then go to the pvp zone and fight them.
It seems like you are a zerg member fearing your fodder will dry up.

Sat 2 May 2020 7:10 PM by Durzo

Riac wrote: ↑
Sat 2 May 2020 7:08 PM
This talk of spreading action is confusing. If you're in a group trying to fight another group and they aren't in fz, then go to the pvp zone and fight them.
It seems like you are a zerg member fearing your fodder will dry up.

I haven't played with the BG/Zerg since I first started on the server for easy RPs. In what way is it confusing? You spent your post trying to insult me rather than tell me what I can clarify. I usually small man or solo, so your assumptions aren't even correct.

Sat 2 May 2020 7:19 PM by Riac

Why can't you go fight in the pvp zone then?

Sat 2 May 2020 7:21 PM by Durzo

Riac wrote: ↑
Sat 2 May 2020 7:19 PM
Why can't you go fight in the pvp zone then?

I’d love to, in a solo or small group setting. Like i said, the event sounds cool. But having it be permanent just splits the player base.

Sat 2 May 2020 7:23 PM by Kwall0311

Durzo wrote: ↑
Sat 2 May 2020 7:21 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Sat 2 May 2020 7:19 PM
Why can't you go fight in the pvp zone then?

I’d love to, in a solo or small group setting. Like i said, the event sounds cool. But having it be permanent just splits the player base.

I would bet theres a big amount of people that log out or not even play because they dont like the current situation of fighting/zerging. Maybe it will bring people back .

Sat 2 May 2020 7:23 PM by Riac

Not seeing the problem. Zergers can still zerg, the groups and solos can go to the pvp zone. It's not like these ppl interact in any meaningful way anyways.

Sat 2 May 2020 7:28 PM by Durzo

Riac wrote: ↑
Sat 2 May 2020 7:23 PM
Not seeing the problem. Zergers can still zerg, the groups and solos can go to the pvp zone. It's not like these ppl interact in any meaningful way anyways.

Having instanced RVR sort of detracts from the more open world combat feel the game provides. That is sort of the charm this game still has roaming around different realms looking for the enemy. What you’re pretty much implying is with this change the frontiers will be for zergs and pvp zone will be for groups and solos.

Sat 2 May 2020 7:29 PM by Durzo

Kwall0311 wrote: ↑
Sat 2 May 2020 7:23 PM
Durzo wrote: ↑
Sat 2 May 2020 7:21 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Sat 2 May 2020 7:19 PM
Why can't you go fight in the pvp zone then?

I’d love to, in a solo or small group setting. Like i said, the event sounds cool. But having it be permanent just splits the player base.

I would bet theres a big amount of people that log out or not even play because they dont like the current situation of fighting/zerging. Maybe it will bring people back .

Maybe, I’m not a fan of how things go currently either. The time zone I currently play in just has a hib Zerg breaking everyone’s ports and running everyone over because the time zone is more occupied by small mans, solos, and pug 8mans.

Sat 2 May 2020 7:29 PM by Riac

Are these instance zones not going to be like the event zones? Those were plenty big enough to roam around.

Sat 2 May 2020 7:30 PM by thirian24

I spend 90% of my playtime avoiding being ran over. And I still get ran over. I don't jam duos or smalls fighting. I don't jam 8man fights. I don't add 1v1. The same respect is not given that is shown. I'm veeeerry sick and tired of wasting all of my game play time being ran over. I go to the farthest points away from the highest traffic areas and still I'm ran over. So, the permanent 1v1 area is very welcomed. I only hope that it gets utilized.

Sat 2 May 2020 7:32 PM by Durzo

thirian24 wrote: ↑
Sat 2 May 2020 7:30 PM
I spend 90% of my playtime avoiding being ran over. And I still get ran over. I don't jam duos or smalls fighting. I don't jam 8man fights. I don't add 1v1. The same respect is not given that is shown. I'm veeeerry sick and tired of wasting all of my game play time being ran over. I go to the farthest points away from the highest traffic areas and still I'm ran over. So, the permanent 1v1 area is very welcomed. I only hope that it gets utilized.

This is what I’m hoping for, give solo players a place to go and do their thing.

Edit: however don’t mistake this for sympathizing with stealthers getting rolled by groups. The amount of times I’ve gotten killed by high rr stealthers while xping in the frontiers is kinda sad. Not even high enough to give rps half the time. If people are going to roll over level 30s they kind of bring the pain on themselves and their fellow solo sneaks.

Sat 2 May 2020 7:41 PM by Riac

Rofl those groups would kill stealthers whether they killed greys or not.
Also, if you're xping near a place they want to camp, they are going to kill you. 9 times out of 10 that little grey is going to add on you the first chance they get. However,if you're not at a camp area then it's shittty.

Sat 2 May 2020 7:52 PM by Durzo

Riac wrote: ↑
Sat 2 May 2020 7:41 PM
Rofl those groups would kill stealthers whether they killed greys or not.
Also, if you're xping near a place they want to camp, they are going to kill you. 9 times out of 10 that little grey is going to add on you the first chance they get. However,if you're not at a camp area then it's shittty.

is outside fensa a camp area? Is outside Renaris a camp area? Is deep into poc a camp area? I solo on a minstrel a lot, I’m familiar with being an absolute scum bucket at times. And when I get smoked by a small man or fg it’s pretty deserved. You’re right, the groups would probably kill the stealthers anyway. However, at this point it’s fairly deserved. There’s a few that I’ll recognize their names and will leave them alone because they’ve afforded me the same courtesy. However having a rr8 or 9 NS/Scout camp a blue or grey but then complain about getting rolled by a group is silly.

This really isn’t what this thread is supposed to be about, and I’m getting the impression you will argue with me regardless of what it is said at this point.

Sat 2 May 2020 8:01 PM by Riac

I said if you're near were they wanna camp. Idk where ppl camp. I don't camp that shit. Killing low lvls isn't fun or challenging imo, but if you're near where I wanna fight, I'm killing you.
Seems to me you're part of the problem lol. No better quality in person than doing exactly what you shame others for doing.

Sat 2 May 2020 8:04 PM by Durzo

Riac wrote: ↑
Sat 2 May 2020 8:01 PM
I said if you're near were they wanna camp. Idk where ppl camp. I don't camp that shit. Killing low lvls isn't fun or challenging imo, but if you're near where I wanna fight, I'm killing you.
Seems to me you're part of the problem lol. No better quality in person than doing exactly what you shame others for doing.

You don’t know who I am or what I do, so trying to pass judgment on my quality of character is stupid. Like I said, you’re not here to discuss the topic. You want to argue with someone, hence why half your posts contain some sort of insult.

Sat 2 May 2020 8:08 PM by Riac

Durzo wrote: ↑
Sat 2 May 2020 7:52 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Sat 2 May 2020 7:41 PM
Rofl those groups would kill stealthers whether they killed greys or not.
Also, if you're xping near a place they want to camp, they are going to kill you. 9 times out of 10 that little grey is going to add on you the first chance they get. However,if you're not at a camp area then it's shittty.
is outside fensa a camp area? Is outside Renaris a camp area? Is deep into poc a camp area? I solo on a minstrel a lot, I’m familiar with being an absolute scum bucket at times. And when I get smoked by a small man or fg it’s pretty deserved. You’re right, the groups would probably kill the stealthers anyway. However, at this point it’s fairly deserved. There’s a few that I’ll recognize their names and will leave them alone because they’ve afforded me the same courtesy. However having a rr8 or 9 NS/Scout camp a blue or grey but then complain about getting rolled by a group is silly.

This really isn’t what this thread is supposed to be about, and I’m getting the impression you will argue with me regardless of what it is said at this point.

you literally said this.... i dont have to know your in game name. you told me this is how you behave at times.... gg

Sat 2 May 2020 10:17 PM by joshisanonymous

Fine with it as long as you don't get RPs and kills don't count towards any /titles.

I solo 95% of the time, and I would never play these arenas because that's not what I play DAoC for. I can get arenas in literally any MMO, but I can't get good persistent open world RvR in any other MMO. I know most others who solo will not feel this way, though, and will spend almost all their time in the arenas. I mean, why would you enter the frontier when you can get instant, safe, 1v1 fights that grant RPs and titles? Meanwhile, those who actually enjoy the dynamic environment that RvR provides will be left with slim pickings: XPers or stragglers trying to catch up to zergs.

Sat 2 May 2020 10:23 PM by Riac

joshisanonymous wrote: ↑
Sat 2 May 2020 10:17 PM
Fine with it as long as you don't get RPs and kills don't count towards any /titles.

I solo 95% of the time, and I would never play these arenas because that's not what I play DAoC for. I can get arenas in literally any MMO, but I can't get good persistent open world RvR in any other MMO. I know most others who solo will not feel this way, though, and will spend almost all their time in the arenas. I mean, why would you enter the frontier when you can get instant, safe, 1v1 fights that grant RPs and titles? Meanwhile, those who actually enjoy the dynamic environment that RvR provides will be left with slim pickings: XPers or stragglers trying to catch up to zergs.

It's not an arena. It's pretty much an event zone.

Sat 2 May 2020 11:48 PM by ularewolf

joshisanonymous wrote: ↑
Sat 2 May 2020 10:17 PM
Fine with it as long as you don't get RPs and kills don't count towards any /titles.

I solo 95% of the time, and I would never play these arenas because that's not what I play DAoC for. I can get arenas in literally any MMO, but I can't get good persistent open world RvR in any other MMO. I know most others who solo will not feel this way, though, and will spend almost all their time in the arenas. I mean, why would you enter the frontier when you can get instant, safe, 1v1 fights that grant RPs and titles? Meanwhile, those who actually enjoy the dynamic environment that RvR provides will be left with slim pickings: XPers or stragglers trying to catch up to zergs.

No offense, but what exactly is dynamic about being a solo player who ends up literally camped at certain areas and hope to not die? Maybe as a solo stealther open RvR is fine, but for others who enjoy to solo as a visi shouldn't have to spend most of their game time dying to groups/zergs.

The one thing is I am curious how they will control reward gains if you and a friend or guildmate enter the zone and kill each other. I don't want this system to abused but I highly encourage reward gains in some capacity to give more incentive to go to these zones.

Sun 3 May 2020 2:34 AM by joshisanonymous

Riac wrote: ↑
Sat 2 May 2020 10:23 PM
It's not an arena. It's pretty much an event zone.

You're right, I misunderstood exactly what is being proposed, but I still don't like it.

ularewolf wrote: No offense, but what exactly is dynamic about being a solo player who ends up literally camped at certain areas and hope to not die? Maybe as a solo stealther open RvR is fine, but for others who enjoy to solo as a visi shouldn't have to spend most of their game time dying to groups/zergs.

The fact that you never know what you're going to come up against is what makes it dynamic. The fact that others can suddenly show up to help or show up to attack is what makes it dynamic. That's basically what makes RvR what it is.

I solo almost exclusively as a visible player, not a stealther, and some days I get run over by larger numbers seemingly everywhere I go. Other days, I can go for hours wracking up kills without hardly ever dying. The fact that I don't know if one of the good latter days is gonna suddenly turn into one of the difficult former days is what makes those latter days exciting. Pulling off kills without getting caught makes things exciting. Knowing there's danger at every turn makes things exciting. The reason I still play DAoC after 20 years is because no other game offers this because they've all decided that players don't like having risks, danger, or excitement in their gaming. That's what I mean by dynamic gameplay.

Sun 3 May 2020 2:47 AM by ularewolf

joshisanonymous wrote: ↑
Sun 3 May 2020 2:34 AM
Riac wrote: ↑
Sat 2 May 2020 10:23 PM
It's not an arena. It's pretty much an event zone.

You're right, I misunderstood exactly what is being proposed, but I still don't like it.

ularewolf wrote: No offense, but what exactly is dynamic about being a solo player who ends up literally camped at certain areas and hope to not die? Maybe as a solo stealther open RvR is fine, but for others who enjoy to solo as a visi shouldn't have to spend most of their game time dying to groups/zergs.

The fact that you never know what you're going to come up against is what makes it dynamic. The fact that others can suddenly show up to help or show up to attack is what makes it dynamic. That's basically what makes RvR what it is.

I solo almost exclusively as a visible player, not a stealther, and some days I get run over by larger numbers seemingly everywhere I go. Other days, I can go for hours wracking up kills without hardly ever dying. The fact that I don't know if one of the good latter days is gonna suddenly turn into one of the difficult former days is what makes those latter days exciting. Pulling off kills without getting caught makes things exciting. Knowing there's danger at every turn makes things exciting. The reason I still play DAoC after 20 years is because no other game offers this because they've all decided that players don't like having risks, danger, or excitement in their gaming. That's what I mean by dynamic gameplay.

Maybe we've had different experiences. I've played this game on and off for years and the times I remember being in NF as a solo, most times were not great experiences and were me wasting time going places only to get zerged down right away. Doing that for many hours is what usually killed the game for me, I'd leave then come back years later (like now). Glad to hear you've faired better here, and kudos to soloing as a SM.

Sun 3 May 2020 4:14 AM by CubanXv

I personally love the idea of there being a permanent zone with group limits. Not an arena that is strict in a 1v1, but an open zone with multiple solos all fighting it out. I do not fear being added by solos, but getting steamrolled by a smallman or fg is very disheartening to the entire solo experience. I think a solo zone or even the small man 5v5 zone would be a huge improvement on specific types of play. Someone earlier noted most solos have to hunt xp'ers or zerg stragglers and that is exactly what being solo feels like in the current iteration. If you say otherwise I would love to know where and how you solo because you are full of shit or are a stealther. Great job devs. Even if this does not pan out and the vocal minority come with flaming swords in hand, I personally appreciate the attempt to give solos more to do than be food. The solo zones before were a flop, I hope this does not follow suit.

Sun 3 May 2020 10:29 AM by Sepplord

As long as people don't forget that it's a solo-zone...and not a 1vs1 zone, it should work out well.

But i can already see the whine- and flamethreads of people adding, others forming alliances, etc...

Sun 3 May 2020 10:34 AM by Lollie

I hope people take lots of tissues as it's going to be a massive jerk fest

Sun 3 May 2020 1:47 PM by Riac

Sepplord wrote: ↑
Sun 3 May 2020 10:29 AM
As long as people don't forget that it's a solo-zone...and not a 1vs1 zone, it should work out well.

But i can already see the whine- and flamethreads of people adding, others forming alliances, etc...

Uthred posted in the solo zone thread and speculated rules against teaming. The only ppl who will be whining are the ppl who think they are too slick to get caught and then play dumb afterwards. Everyone records clips these days. Don't try and team and there won't be problems.
As far as it screwing up rvr, fuck rvr. If you wanna go beat on doors noobs will still be doing it, go join them. The real lol is gonna be when the dock camping stealth zergs, "the ones that only fight even groups ", have no one left to zerg. I can't wait to see them cry. I guess they could join the group zone and fight all the even groups they can handle rofl, but we all know that's a lie.

Sun 3 May 2020 3:55 PM by thirian24

Riac wrote: ↑
Sun 3 May 2020 1:47 PM
Sepplord wrote: ↑
Sun 3 May 2020 10:29 AM
As long as people don't forget that it's a solo-zone...and not a 1vs1 zone, it should work out well.

But i can already see the whine- and flamethreads of people adding, others forming alliances, etc...
Uthred posted in the solo zone thread and speculated rules against teaming. The only ppl who will be whining are the ppl who think they are too slick to get caught and then play dumb afterwards. Everyone records clips these days. Don't try and team and there won't be problems.
As far as it screwing up rvr, fuck rvr. If you wanna go beat on doors noobs will still be doing it, go join them. The real lol is gonna be when the dock camping stealth zergs, "the ones that only fight even groups ", have no one left to zerg. I can't wait to see them cry. I guess they could join the group zone and fight all the even groups they can handle rofl, but we all know that's a lie.

Rofl

Tue 5 May 2020 5:54 AM by Deccion

This isn't, never has been and never will be a 1v1 or 8v8 game. Its a realm vs realm game. If you want 1v1, go play For Honour. You want 8v8 go play Guild Wars. When you enter the frontiers, you are accepting the fact that there are no rules. A PVP zone isn't needed here. Close it and send people back out to RVR. And if RVR to you only means banding down doors, you have a small mind. You either cant see the value in it, or are to much of a simpleton to find something else to do.

Tue 5 May 2020 7:33 AM by Noashakra

Deccion wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 5:54 AM
This isn't, never has been and never will be a 1v1 or 8v8 game. Its a realm vs realm game. If you want 1v1, go play For Honour. You want 8v8 go play Guild Wars. When you enter the frontiers, you are accepting the fact that there are no rules. A PVP zone isn't needed here. Close it and send people back out to RVR. And if RVR to you only means banding down doors, you have a small mind. You either cant see the value in it, or are to much of a simpleton to find something else to do.

This game is what you want it to be.

Tue 5 May 2020 8:34 AM by inoeth

Deccion wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 5:54 AM
This isn't, never has been and never will be a 1v1 or 8v8 game. Its a realm vs realm game. If you want 1v1, go play For Honour. You want 8v8 go play Guild Wars. When you enter the frontiers, you are accepting the fact that there are no rules. A PVP zone isn't needed here. Close it and send people back out to RVR. And if RVR to you only means banding down doors, you have a small mind. You either cant see the value in it, or are to much of a simpleton to find something else to do.

zone was full yesterday, seems like alot of ppl disagree with your pov

there would not have been a need for this zone if if guys like you would not have added everything in the first place. now rvr zone is empty? what a pity

again best thing about the pvp zone is you can kill ppl from your own realm.

Tue 5 May 2020 9:10 AM by Noashakra

Just remove the red pets, and restrict the number of bd/necro that can go there.

I agree that the zone should be open like one day a week max.

Tue 5 May 2020 10:50 AM by Deccion

inoeth wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 8:34 AM
Deccion wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 5:54 AM
This isn't, never has been and never will be a 1v1 or 8v8 game. Its a realm vs realm game. If you want 1v1, go play For Honour. You want 8v8 go play Guild Wars. When you enter the frontiers, you are accepting the fact that there are no rules. A PVP zone isn't needed here. Close it and send people back out to RVR. And if RVR to you only means banding down doors, you have a small mind. You either cant see the value in it, or are to much of a simpleton to find something else to do.

zone was full yesterday, seems like alot of ppl disagree with your pov
there would not have been a need for this zone if if guys like you would not have added everything in the first place. now rvr zone is empty? what a pity

again best thing about the pvp zone is you can kill ppl from your own realm.

You mean this zone wouldn't be necessary if people like you didn't create and artificial standard for yourself and then expect everyone else to adhere to it, The 1v1 and 8v8 mentality are toxic trash.

Tue 5 May 2020 11:00 AM by Freudinio

inoeth wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 8:34 AM
Deccion wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 5:54 AM
This isn't, never has been and never will be a 1v1 or 8v8 game. Its a realm vs realm game. If you want 1v1, go play For Honour. You want 8v8 go play Guild Wars. When you enter the frontiers, you are accepting the fact that there are no rules. A PVP zone isn't needed here. Close it and send people back out to RVR. And if RVR to you only means banding down doors, you have a small mind. You either cant see the value in it, or are to much of a simpleton to find something else to do.

zone was full yesterday, seems like alot of ppl disagree with your pov
there would not have been a need for this zone if if guys like you would not have added everything in the first place. now rvr zone is empty? what a pity

again best thing about the pvp zone is you can kill ppl from your own realm.

At it again straight from when you roll out of bed, huh? It's a pity you can't see further than your own personal needs.

Tue 5 May 2020 11:19 AM by inoeth

Freudinio wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 11:00 AM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 8:34 AM
Deccion wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 5:54 AM
This isn't, never has been and never will be a 1v1 or 8v8 game. Its a realm vs realm game. If you want 1v1, go play For Honour. You want 8v8 go play Guild Wars. When you enter the frontiers, you are accepting the fact that there are no rules. A PVP zone isn't needed here. Close it and send people back out to RVR. And if RVR to you only means banding down doors, you have a small mind. You either cant see the value in it, or are to much of a simpleton to find something else to do.

zone was full yesterday, seems like alot of ppl disagree with your pov
there would not have been a need for this zone if if guys like you would not have added everything in the first place. now rvr zone is empty? what a pity

again best thing about the pvp zone is you can kill ppl from your own realm.

At it again straight from when you roll out of bed, huh? It's a pity you can't see further than your own personal needs.

you still owe us your ig name to observe your massive solo kill count!
btw im alrdy at work for several hours....

Tue 5 May 2020 11:21 AM by inoeth

Deccion wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 10:50 AM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 8:34 AM
Deccion wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 5:54 AM
This isn't, never has been and never will be a 1v1 or 8v8 game. Its a realm vs realm game. If you want 1v1, go play For Honour. You want 8v8 go play Guild Wars. When you enter the frontiers, you are accepting the fact that there are no rules. A PVP zone isn't needed here. Close it and send people back out to RVR. And if RVR to you only means banding down doors, you have a small mind. You either cant see the value in it, or are to much of a simpleton to find something else to do.

zone was full yesterday, seems like alot of ppl disagree with your pov
there would not have been a need for this zone if if guys like you would not have added everything in the first place. now rvr zone is empty? what a pity

again best thing about the pvp zone is you can kill ppl from your own realm.

You mean this zone wouldn't be necessary if people like you didn't create and artificial standard for yourself and then expect everyone else to adhere to it, The 1v1 and 8v8 mentality are toxic trash.

well this zone is necessary because ppl like you force ppl like me to be part of your toxic play style without even have a chance to escape that.
and now you cry because you cant farm easy rp anymore /laugh

Tue 5 May 2020 11:27 AM by Loki

inoeth wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 11:21 AM
and now you cry because you cant farm easy rp anymore /laugh

Ummm isn't this you ?

inoeth wrote: ↑
Mon 4 May 2020 3:36 PM
just logged in 40 min ago alrdy 10k 2 deaths... i like all the yummy SBs here

Seems like you cry because you want easy RPs instead .

Tue 5 May 2020 11:41 AM by inoeth

Loki wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 11:27 AM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 11:21 AM
and now you cry because you cant farm easy rp anymore /laugh

Ummm isn't this you ?

inoeth wrote: ↑
Mon 4 May 2020 3:36 PM
just logged in 40 min ago alrdy 10k 2 deaths... i like all the yummy SBs here

Seems like you cry because you want easy RPs instead .

its a difference if you roll someone with x ppl or win 1v1
btw really funny to hear this from you lol... are you not laeloo the dock farm/adding skald?

Tue 5 May 2020 11:43 AM by Loki

inoeth wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 11:41 AM
its a difference if you roll someone with x ppl or win 1v1
btw really funny to hear this from you lol... are you not laeloo the dock farm/adding skald?

Nothing like a little strawman because you can't handle your own words . I don't farm docks, I farm uppland aka people who wait for expers to pull so they can shoot their little arrow. I thought you hated toxic play styles ? It seems to be ok with you when its coming from your buddies.

Tue 5 May 2020 11:48 AM by Loki

People who like the PvP zone are the same ones that sit in their little Discord, coordinating and "having each other's back" and they do it because its no risk, high reward. The rules are questionable and prone to be abused, and I've presented damning evidence before with no reaction from devs.

I said it when EV was given tasks, dont make it a focal point for RvR. DaoC isn't an arena based game, and it gets stale fast when you cram people in a small area. Even though the large portion of Phoenix population is just here for RPs and not to have fun. Devs mistake the surge in population from the "world problem" as people agreeing with all recent changes.

I guess we'll see.

Tue 5 May 2020 11:48 AM by Noashakra

Loki wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 11:43 AM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 11:41 AM
its a difference if you roll someone with x ppl or win 1v1
btw really funny to hear this from you lol... are you not laeloo the dock farm/adding skald?

Nothing like a little strawman because you can't handle your own words . I don't farm docks, I farm uppland aka people who wait for expers to pull so they can shoot their little arrow. I thought you hated toxic play styles ? It seems to be ok with you when its coming from your buddies.

You wait behind the relic gate until you have all your RA up, and when you see names in the log, you rush outside to add. Or you relog your SB after you RA dumped all you have.
I saw you twice in uppland those past week, when you didn't move from your relic gate for months. Suddently, you "roam" your ZF on the forums.

Tue 5 May 2020 11:54 AM by Loki

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 11:48 AM
You wait behind the relic gate until you have all your RA up, and when you see names in the log, you rush outside to add. Or you relog your SB after you RA dumped all you have.
I saw you twice in uppland those past week, when you didn't move from your relic gate for months. Suddently, you "roam" your ZF on the forums.

why are you even talking to me, you've been doing the same shiet since rr3 ...shooting at lowbies. I've soloed you a few times, and you just straight up started adding mid fights (and you still get rekt royally) . Then you moved to PoC and started guarding animists against stealthers coming in to kill the exploiters. Now you think that you're rr9 everything is wiped clean. You didnt use the forums for months, when you were entirely solely killing XPers and people handing in snow. Now you're a brave little forum warrior, still adding and dying.

Dont want me to camp you ? Dont start garbage on forums, hoping for others to jump in. And maybe dont emote and alert me you're there.

You think you're somehow insulting me because I spend a lot of time at relic docks, oh I'm so crushed. You're disparaging yourself and how you spend your RvR time. I see you whine about how there's no place to go (other than killing blue cons in Uppland I guess, or maybe an unbuffed runemaster) . Take that to devs then, its no ones fault that you cant deal with RvRing.

Nothing has changed from when you were rr4 brudda, I'm still yer daddy .

Here's the "Uppland camper logic" - "I'm just here to have a nice 1v1" -> "I only kill lowbies cus I want that nice 1v1 to come out" -> "Why isn't that Laeloo just leaving the area OMG " ... lmao

Tue 5 May 2020 12:07 PM by inoeth

Loki wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 11:43 AM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 11:41 AM
its a difference if you roll someone with x ppl or win 1v1
btw really funny to hear this from you lol... are you not laeloo the dock farm/adding skald?

Nothing like a little strawman because you can't handle your own words . I don't farm docks, I farm uppland aka people who wait for expers to pull so they can shoot their little arrow. I thought you hated toxic play styles ? It seems to be ok with you when its coming from your buddies.

i dont know what "buddies" you are talking about
what strawman do you mean?
nice try dude

Tue 5 May 2020 12:11 PM by inoeth

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 11:48 AM
Loki wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 11:43 AM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 11:41 AM
its a difference if you roll someone with x ppl or win 1v1
btw really funny to hear this from you lol... are you not laeloo the dock farm/adding skald?

Nothing like a little strawman because you can't handle your own words . I don't farm docks, I farm uppland aka people who wait for expers to pull so they can shoot their little arrow. I thought you hated toxic play styles ? It seems to be ok with you when its coming from your buddies.

You wait behind the relic gate until you have all your RA up, and when you see names in the log, you rush outside to add. Or you relog your SB after you RA dumped all you have.
I saw you twice in uppland those past week, when you didn't move from your relic gate for months. Suddently, you "roam" your ZF on the forums.

hahhahaha and you know what?! now hes upset because he cant add and RA dump the dock farmers anymore. xD

Tue 5 May 2020 12:20 PM by Noashakra

inoeth wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 12:11 PM
Noashakra wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 11:48 AM
Loki wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 11:43 AM
Nothing like a little strawman because you can't handle your own words . I don't farm docks, I farm uppland aka people who wait for expers to pull so they can shoot their little arrow. I thought you hated toxic play styles ? It seems to be ok with you when its coming from your buddies.

You wait behind the relic gate until you have all your RA up, and when you see names in the log, you rush outside to add. Or you relog your SB after you RA dumped all you have.
I saw you twice in uppland those past week, when you didn't move from your relic gate for months. Suddently, you "roam" your ZF on the forums.

hahhahaha and you know what?! now hes upset because he cant add and RA dump the dock farmers anymore. xD

Yes because I am know to add people out of nowhere and without a reason, and he is know to be a paragon of vertue that respects fights. He is known as the most toxic person on mid for a reason...
How delusional one can be.

Tue 5 May 2020 12:22 PM by Loki

inoeth wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 12:11 PM
hahhahaha and you know what?! now hes upset because he cant add and RA dump the dock farmers anymore. xD

Did you just call your pal "dock farmer" ? Woah, that's rude. Btw you're wrong, people still dock farm. Lowbies don't really go to the PvP zone, and let's face it - thats why dock farmers go there. You really can't debate anything can you. It seems like you agree with what I said mostly.

Too bad Noashkakra doesn't include the little fight we had near Arvakr in that cool story. As for RA dumping, coming from a ranger ...that's rich.

Tue 5 May 2020 12:24 PM by inoeth

Loki wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 12:22 PM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 12:11 PM
hahhahaha and you know what?! now hes upset because he cant add and RA dump the dock farmers anymore. xD

Did you just call your pal "dock farmer" ? Woah, that's rude. Btw you're wrong, people still dock farm. Lowbies don't really go to the PvP zone, and let's face it - thats why dock farmers go there. You really can't debate anything can you. It seems like you agree with what I said mostly.

Too bad Noashkakra doesn't include the little fight we had near Arvakr in that cool story. As for RA dumping, coming from a ranger ...that's rich.

can you even read? lol you are derailing yourself here

Tue 5 May 2020 12:27 PM by Loki

inoeth wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 12:24 PM
can you even read? lol you are derailing yourself here

You literally accused someone of disliking the PvP zone because they want ez RPs, right after bragging yesterday how EZ it is to get RPs... And your answer was "ummm you kill dock farmers" . Not even close.

Tue 5 May 2020 12:35 PM by inoeth

Loki wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 12:27 PM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 12:24 PM
can you even read? lol you are derailing yourself here
You literally accused someone of disliking the PvP zone because they want ez RPs, right after bragging yesterday how EZ it is to get RPs... And your answer was "ummm you kill dock farmers" . Not even close.

its easy for me because i win 1v1 and not by outnumbering or adding
and you cry because the usual dock farmes are going to the pvp zone now so you cant RA dump them....
dude really? is reading that hard for you?

Tue 5 May 2020 12:37 PM by Loki

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 12:20 PM
Yes because I am know to add people out of nowhere and without a reason, and he is know to be a paragon of vertue that respects fights. He is known as the most toxic person on mid for a reason...

I don't care what you are "known" for, I care for what you did - add just because you lost several fights. Basically you don't even deny it, you're just looking back into the crowd and asking people to jump in the conversation - "Guys, I don't do that right ? " . And the rest of stuff you just conveniently not address

If you were a man, and not a kid, and would have contacted me personally in DMs and ask to brush everything off, I'd have been fine. Instead you chose to throw crap at me, thinking that if Im considered toxic, it invalidates my position. It's not a popularity contest, I don't want to be liked. I can do just fine on my own, in fact I do so well that people cry about me on forums, asking me to leave them alone.

Tue 5 May 2020 12:39 PM by Loki

inoeth wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 12:35 PM
dude really? is reading that hard for you?

I explained why I dislike the PvP zone, in very simple words so that even you can understand. You're choosing to put whatever words you want in my mouth because I brought up the hypocrisy in your accusations. I'm done arguing with a rock tbh, and google "straw man" as your good deed for today.

Tue 5 May 2020 2:51 PM by Noashakra

I don't address it because everyone knows you are speaking bull.
I killed Hashishun once only, and I never added him in a 1vs1. The same of Domination or Dandere or Naas (never killed them I think).
I am not a griefer like you who rush people unstealth or in speed 6 because they killed me before. Don't project.

I never shy away from 1vs1 vs lvl 50s (except skalds and bd on mid, because I have no chance), and you know it because you add all my fights. But it's ok, I know the kind of person you are.

Tue 5 May 2020 3:01 PM by Riac

Loki wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 12:39 PM
inoeth wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 12:35 PM
dude really? is reading that hard for you?
I explained why I dislike the PvP zone, in very simple words so that even you can understand. You're choosing to put whatever words you want in my mouth because I brought up the hypocrisy in your accusations. I'm done arguing with a rock tbh, and google "straw man" as your good deed for today.

no one is making you play in the pvp zone. feel free to keep sitting at docks.

Tue 5 May 2020 3:06 PM by Loki

Noashakra wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 2:51 PM
I don't address it because everyone knows you are speaking bull.

Didnt we meet near Arvakr last week, when you said we only met twice in Uppland ? Didnt you fight me a few times when you started off (again in Uppland, where all the soloers go) and then started adding me for no reason other than I kicked your ass ? Didnt you guard animists at mid PoC entrance so that they have an easy time farming lowbies ? Didn't you add me 3 days ago when I was fighting another ranger and I still owned you easily ?

Ohh, he knows who I am ... what am I gonna do. I lost the respect of a lowbie farmer.

Tue 5 May 2020 3:08 PM by Loki

Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 3:01 PM
no one is making you play in the pvp zone. feel free to keep sitting at docks.

I'll sit wherever trash rr11 sneaks camp, thank you ... you dont see me roaming CG like all you pros. Imagine the mental gymnastics you have to go through to claim 1v1'ing minstrels and sneaks in Uppland is much worse than high RR sneaks camping turn ins in CG and Forest Sauvage. Spare me the trolling, or do a better job than this. I can't take that seriously.

Tue 5 May 2020 3:09 PM by Riac

Loki wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 3:08 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 3:01 PM
no one is making you play in the pvp zone. feel free to keep sitting at docks.

I'll sit wherever trash rr11 sneaks camp, thank you ... you dont see me roaming CG like all you pros

so youll be camping the solo zone then?

Tue 5 May 2020 3:10 PM by Loki

Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 3:09 PM
Loki wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 3:08 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 3:01 PM
no one is making you play in the pvp zone. feel free to keep sitting at docks.

I'll sit wherever trash rr11 sneaks camp, thank you ... you dont see me roaming CG like all you pros
so youll be camping the solo zone then?

Why, so I can 1v5 with dev protection ? and who the hell are you anyway ? I'm sorry, did I struck a nerve when I spoke about your little priviledged Discord where, against any rules, you coordinate against whoever you deem "toxic" ? Sit this one out.

Tue 5 May 2020 3:17 PM by Riac

Loki wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 3:10 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 3:09 PM
Loki wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 3:08 PM
I'll sit wherever trash rr11 sneaks camp, thank you ... you dont see me roaming CG like all you pros
so youll be camping the solo zone then?
Why, so I can 1v5 with dev protection ? and who the hell are you anyway ? I'm sorry, did I struck a nerve when I spoke about your little priviledged Discord where, against any rules, you coordinate against whoever you deem "toxic" ? Sit this one out.

well i thought you were camping where the trash r11 sneaks were. im sure thatll be solo zone, unless you meant mysterii lol.
speak against my discord? what are you talking about?
this is lilbusta.

Tue 5 May 2020 3:18 PM by Razur Ur

Why not a 5vs5 zone with random group invite how like last PVM Event ^_^?

Tue 5 May 2020 3:18 PM by Loki

Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 3:17 PM
this is lilbusta.

Never heard of you. So you're telling me I can play or not play in the PvP zone ? Ok, noted. Bye.

Tue 5 May 2020 3:23 PM by Riac

Loki wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 3:08 PM
Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 3:01 PM
no one is making you play in the pvp zone. feel free to keep sitting at docks.

I'll sit wherever trash rr11 sneaks camp, thank you ... you dont see me roaming CG like all you pros. Imagine the mental gymnastics you have to go through to claim 1v1'ing minstrels and sneaks in Uppland is much worse than high RR sneaks camping turn ins in CG and Forest Sauvage. Spare me the trolling, or do a better job than this. I can't take that seriously.

i didnt claim any of that lol, but sick late edit.
i just said feel free to keep sitting at docks.
ill keep enjoying this zone. ppl keep QQing about it but they dont have to use.

Tue 5 May 2020 3:30 PM by Loki

Riac wrote: ↑
Tue 5 May 2020 3:23 PM
i just said feel free to keep sitting at docks.

So glad I have your blessing.

Tue 5 May 2020 4:13 PM by Noashakra

Man what I can't imagine what's going on inside your head. We met at the frontier of uppland. Wow great. First time you went that far in ages (that what I wrote, I met you once or twice there the past week, near the river).

And me protecting animists!!! People told me you were a conspiracy theorist and it makes sense.
I despise the animist camping PoC and now I was protecting them. How far down did you follow the rabbit hole?

You keep making up stories and you believe in them.

Tue 5 May 2020 8:06 PM by Irkeno

Ahahahaha Loki scared to go to the PvP Zone cos he knows everyone thinks he's a <choose from a thousand insults> and he doesnt have any relic gates to hide behind. Even his own realmmates would kill him given the chance.

Makes me wanna come back! No one needs to co-ordinate shit to know you kill that fragile ego'd clown first. Hahaha.

He can say what he likes but ya'll know this is the real truth of it.

Tue 5 May 2020 9:38 PM by MeatBicycle

say whatever you want, but i don't see the problem at camping uppland as a mid. At least your enemies are all level 50.

Tue 5 May 2020 11:05 PM by Freudinio

Atleast we got outed what the quality of players in the pvp zone is like.

Wed 6 May 2020 1:49 AM by Deccion

You wait behind the relic gate until you have all your RA up, and when you see names in the log, you rush outside to add. Or you relog your SB after you RA dumped all you have.

Is there an assassin who doesnt do this?

Wed 6 May 2020 1:55 AM by Riac

i dont hang out at the relic gate, but i do wait for purge most of the time because i like fighting hard ppl and you kinda need it for them. i run purge 4 with most specs so its not a long wait, especially after you wait the 2 mins for charge CD after ablat. vanish is w/e, i dont wait on that.

Wed 6 May 2020 8:51 PM by Nephamael

@DEVS @GMs

You should make PvP zone tick RvR task again as it onesidedly punishs low RR players for participating in the PvP zone.

High RRs get 90%+ of their RPs off kills anyway.

We should encourage lowRRs to play whereever they like without insane RP/h punishment!