Necros and Groundtarget EXPLOITS!

I am sick and tired of Necros sitting in the lords room just casting away with no pet in sight and everyone getting nuked!

I am going to provide some solutions, and I know the No Namecalling pls and other exploiting necros won't like these but I really don't care!

1. Remove the Ground target function from Necros all together.
2. Turn Necros into their pet and make them killable like every other player, BUT do not give them additional overpowered BS like Live DAoC did.
3. Start Perma banning every necro that continues to exploit this garbage, since the last change to necros I have seen 20 or 30 different necros pets that are NOT able to be seen/attacked inside towers and keeps. Not sure if this is an intentional exploit or a result from the tether change, which was NOT reduced enough.

and yes I have a necro so sshhhttt

Fri 8 May 2020 5:48 AM by Anelyn77

Tether range wasn't reduced enough? Do you know the value it had before? It's almost a 50% nerf in current state (1k units is so little pretty much a simple snare can get your pet in despawn territory while you're sprinting away in seconds). You do realize the mechanics of the class and what makes it unique / different from other pet classes? Lowering it even more will completely make it unplayable in RvR (for simple reasons focused on pet AI, they will never for example, use a side door, but go all way around to reach the main gate of a keep which is - yes you guessed - already at more than 1k range distance).

No other pet class is punished so hard if their pet dies, they don't really need their pet in order to function, their pets are just bonus that provides dps or utility in various forms, meanwhile w/o the pet the necro is nothing.

If you have a problem with GTAOE then address this subject and come with ideas to fix it, it's not a class problem but a spell mechanic.

Cheers.

Fri 8 May 2020 2:31 PM by Sepplord

Anelyn77 wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 5:48 AM
No other pet class is punished so hard if their pet dies, they don't really need their pet in order to function, their pets are just bonus that provides dps or utility in various forms, meanwhile w/o the pet the necro is nothing.

I don't neccessarily agree with the OP or disagree with you....but that argument is hilarious. I mean, yeah...no other petclass is punished so hard when their pet dies....but well, no other petclass is completely immune to everything while their pet is alive.

Fri 8 May 2020 7:02 PM by Anelyn77

And being immune allows you to do what? You can only cast a HoT or a lifetap on 500 range. Is not like you can run to other casters / healers and melee rupt them while your pet is rooted or mezd, or do anything dangerous to enemy team.

Sure you can cast some RA's but everyone can. Am simply saying that the problem is with GTAOE mechanics and not with necro. If it was up to me, go on and upgrade necros to live version, then I bet the flooding of QQ posts about them will increase tenfold. But in current iteration necros have problems, more proeminent - for RvR - than any other class. And none of those were addressed or fixed / changed, we just got slapped with the tether range.

To conclude, my point is that a class (already poorly represented and performing vs rest of classes) shouldn't be continuously nerfed because a GTAOE mechanic is bugged or allows for specific interactions (with no compensation / fixes either), instead adjust said GTAOE mechanic to function as desired by the devs / popular vote.

Cheers <3

Sat 9 May 2020 4:05 AM by Expfighter

Anelyn77 wrote: ↑
Fri 8 May 2020 7:02 PM
And being immune allows you to do what? You can only cast a HoT or a lifetap on 500 range. Is not like you can run to other casters / healers and melee rupt them while your pet is rooted or mezd, or do anything dangerous to enemy team.

Sure you can cast some RA's but everyone can. Am simply saying that the problem is with GTAOE mechanics and not with necro. If it was up to me, go on and upgrade necros to live version, then I bet the flooding of QQ posts about them will increase tenfold. But in current iteration necros have problems, more proeminent - for RvR - than any other class. And none of those were addressed or fixed / changed, we just got slapped with the tether range.

To conclude, my point is that a class (already poorly represented and performing vs rest of classes) shouldn't be continuously nerfed because a GTAOE mechanic is bugged or allows for specific interactions (with no compensation / fixes either), instead adjust said GTAOE mechanic to function as desired by the devs / popular vote.

Cheers <3

Just make the Necro turn into the pet, problem solved!
BUT NO extra BS abilities like the live change

Sat 9 May 2020 6:09 AM by Anelyn77

Sure let me turn into my pet without extra BS as you call it, but:

I have no cap on buffs just like the pet.

I get same con / hp buff just as my pet does when summoned (fyi, my pet self buffed and combi buff only is 2.4k hp).

I keep a separate cast-queue for my shade lifetap / pet heal (which will become a hot for myself), which doesn't interfere with my all other spells own spell queue. I also keep FP for 3 spells and still have access to concentration.

I retain my pet absorb / AF values.

Am ready, let's go, when are we doing the change? ^^

Sat 9 May 2020 3:29 PM by Expfighter

Anelyn77 wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 6:09 AM
Sure let me turn into my pet without extra BS as you call it, but:

I have no cap on buffs just like the pet.

I get same con / hp buff just as my pet does when summoned (fyi, my pet self buffed and combi buff only is 2.4k hp).

I keep a separate cast-queue for my shade lifetap / pet heal (which will become a hot for myself), which doesn't interfere with my all other spells own spell queue. I also keep FP for 3 spells and still have access to concentration.

I retain my pet absorb / AF values.

Am ready, let's go, when are we doing the change? ^^

but you are NOT immune from Death! if you show yourself you can be killed, if you go to the lords room you can be killed etc...…..

GET IT?

Sat 9 May 2020 5:25 PM by Strikejk

Expfighter wrote: ↑
Sat 2 May 2020 6:46 PM
I am sick and tired of Necros sitting in the lords room just casting away with no pet in sight and everyone getting nuked!

I am going to provide some solutions, and I know the No Namecalling pls and other exploiting necros won't like these but I really don't care!

1. Remove the Ground target function from Necros all together.
2. Turn Necros into their pet and make them killable like every other player, BUT do not give them additional overpowered BS like Live DAoC did.
3. Start Perma banning every necro that continues to exploit this garbage, since the last change to necros I have seen 20 or 30 different necros pets that are NOT able to be seen/attacked inside towers and keeps. Not sure if this is an intentional exploit or a result from the tether change, which was NOT reduced enough.

and yes I have a necro so sshhhttt

I have never read so much bullshit in my life.

a) You have no idea how the necromancer works.
b) None of the mentioned players abuses any exploit.
c) The necromancer can not cast spells without Line of Sight to the Pet, excluding the HoT. (Same for ALL classes with spells that directly and only target the pet).
d) The necromancer can not cast damage spells without Line of Sight to the Pet,Line of Sight to the target AND Line of Sight from the Pet to the target.
e) I highly doubt you have a necromancer or any meaningful rvr experience with it.
f) Calling out names is probably against the rules, especially with accusations like that.
g) Do you have ANY proof? Because I haven't wittnessed a SINGLE necro pet that wasn't attackable. Stop spewing garbage around.
h) You can not cast any spells, while the pet is mezzed or stunned, including the HoT or lifetap.

Sat 9 May 2020 5:34 PM by Delegator

I have a 50 necro among my 15 or so level 50s across all 3 realms.

What I don't understand is why the shade is able to go through doors without the pet. That's the abuse people are talking about most (from what I see) -- being able to set a precise ground target because they can actually see where the target is without being attackable.

Sat 9 May 2020 6:33 PM by Expfighter

Strikejk wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 5:25 PM
Expfighter wrote: ↑
Sat 2 May 2020 6:46 PM
I am sick and tired of Necros sitting in the lords room just casting away with no pet in sight and everyone getting nuked!

I am going to provide some solutions, and I know the No Namecalling pls and other exploiting necros won't like these but I really don't care!

1. Remove the Ground target function from Necros all together.
2. Turn Necros into their pet and make them killable like every other player, BUT do not give them additional overpowered BS like Live DAoC did.
3. Start Perma banning every necro that continues to exploit this garbage, since the last change to necros I have seen 20 or 30 different necros pets that are NOT able to be seen/attacked inside towers and keeps. Not sure if this is an intentional exploit or a result from the tether change, which was NOT reduced enough.

and yes I have a necro so sshhhttt

I have never read so much bullshit in my life.

a) You have no idea how the necromancer works.
b) None of the mentioned players abuses any exploit.
c) The necromancer can not cast spells without Line of Sight to the Pet, excluding the HoT. (Same for ALL classes with spells that directly and only target the pet).
d) The necromancer can not cast damage spells without Line of Sight to the Pet,Line of Sight to the target AND Line of Sight from the Pet to the target.
e) I highly doubt you have a necromancer or any meaningful rvr experience with it.
f) Calling out names is probably against the rules, especially with accusations like that.
g) Do you have ANY proof? Because I haven't wittnessed a SINGLE necro pet that wasn't attackable. Stop spewing garbage around.
h) You can not cast any spells, while the pet is mezzed or stunned, including the HoT or lifetap.

I had a whole response written out for all of your BS comments, when I submitted it it was deleted!

the ONLY statement that you listed that was true was the very last one, play another realm against necros and see the BS!

oh yea thanks for whining to UTHRED! yea I saw him watching this thread

Sat 9 May 2020 6:43 PM by Strikejk

Expfighter wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 6:33 PM
I had a whole response written out for all of your BS comments, when I submitted it it was deleted!

the ONLY statement that you listed that was true was the very last one, play another realm against necros and see the BS!

oh yea thanks for whining to UTHRED! yea I saw him watching this thread

So you opted for giving a meaningless reply. So far no proof.
Sorry but you have to play with the same rules that we all have to, you are nothing special. Would you like it if some random runs around and calls you an exploiter? No? huh.
Think about it.

Sat 9 May 2020 6:47 PM by Expfighter

Strikejk wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 6:43 PM
Expfighter wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 6:33 PM
I had a whole response written out for all of your BS comments, when I submitted it it was deleted!

the ONLY statement that you listed that was true was the very last one, play another realm against necros and see the BS!

oh yea thanks for whining to UTHRED! yea I saw him watching this thread

So you opted for giving a meaningless reply. So far no proof.
Sorry but you have to play with the same rules that we all have to, you are nothing special. Would you like it if some random runs around and calls you an exploiter? No? huh.
Think about it.

that's because I have never exploited in this game, whereas NECROS have been exploiting the shade invulnerability since SI came out on live! Just go place your pet in the door or wall again where it cant be attacked!

no I am not special, just a LONG time player that KNOWS the exploits when I see them like ALL long time players!

Sat 9 May 2020 6:48 PM by Strikejk

Expfighter wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 6:47 PM
Strikejk wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 6:43 PM
Expfighter wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 6:33 PM
I had a whole response written out for all of your BS comments, when I submitted it it was deleted!

the ONLY statement that you listed that was true was the very last one, play another realm against necros and see the BS!

oh yea thanks for whining to UTHRED! yea I saw him watching this thread

So you opted for giving a meaningless reply. So far no proof.
Sorry but you have to play with the same rules that we all have to, you are nothing special. Would you like it if some random runs around and calls you an exploiter? No? huh.
Think about it.

that's because I have never exploited in this game, whereas NECROS have been exploiting the shade invulnerability since SI came out on live! Just go place your pet in the door or wall again where it cant be attacked!

no I am not special, just a LONG time player that KNOWS the exploits when I see them like ALL long time players!

That the shade is immune is not an exploit.

Sat 9 May 2020 6:51 PM by Expfighter

Strikejk wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 6:48 PM
Expfighter wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 6:47 PM
Strikejk wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 6:43 PM
So you opted for giving a meaningless reply. So far no proof.
Sorry but you have to play with the same rules that we all have to, you are nothing special. Would you like it if some random runs around and calls you an exploiter? No? huh.
Think about it.

that's because I have never exploited in this game, whereas NECROS have been exploiting the shade invulnerability since SI came out on live! Just go place your pet in the door or wall again where it cant be attacked!

no I am not special, just a LONG time player that KNOWS the exploits when I see them like ALL long time players!

That the shade is immune is not an exploit.

it IS an exploit when you go thru the doors inside a keep or tower and stand there getting ground targets and casting away without LOS to your PET!

stop defending your exploits

Sat 9 May 2020 6:54 PM by Strikejk

Expfighter wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 6:51 PM
Strikejk wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 6:48 PM
Expfighter wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 6:47 PM
that's because I have never exploited in this game, whereas NECROS have been exploiting the shade invulnerability since SI came out on live! Just go place your pet in the door or wall again where it cant be attacked!

no I am not special, just a LONG time player that KNOWS the exploits when I see them like ALL long time players!

That the shade is immune is not an exploit.

it IS an exploit when you go thru the doors inside a keep or tower and stand there getting ground targets and casting away without LOS to your PET!

stop defending your exploits

It is not an exploit to go with a shade through a door and leaving the pet behind it.
You cant cast without LoS.

Sat 9 May 2020 7:05 PM by Expfighter

Strikejk wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 6:54 PM
Expfighter wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 6:51 PM
Strikejk wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 6:48 PM
That the shade is immune is not an exploit.

it IS an exploit when you go thru the doors inside a keep or tower and stand there getting ground targets and casting away without LOS to your PET!

stop defending your exploits
It is not an exploit to go with a shade through a door and leaving the pet behind it.
You cant cast without LoS.

but you can with Necros and Animists, it's the same! you've been in tower and keep sieges where animists are hitting you with pets from the other side of the door?
Well necro pets use that same hole to get sight to the shade

Sat 9 May 2020 7:08 PM by Strikejk

Expfighter wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 7:05 PM
Strikejk wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 6:54 PM
Expfighter wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 6:51 PM
it IS an exploit when you go thru the doors inside a keep or tower and stand there getting ground targets and casting away without LOS to your PET!

stop defending your exploits
It is not an exploit to go with a shade through a door and leaving the pet behind it.
You cant cast without LoS.

but you can with Necros and Animists, it's the same! you've been in tower and keep sieges where animists are hitting you with pets from the other side of the door?
Well necro pets use that same hole to get sight to the shade

If you are referring about the murderholes above keep gates, shooting through those is not an exploit. Neither for necros, Animist or any caster for that matter. Please LEARN THE GAME BASICS

Sat 9 May 2020 7:13 PM by Expfighter

Strikejk wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 7:08 PM
Expfighter wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 7:05 PM
Strikejk wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 6:54 PM
It is not an exploit to go with a shade through a door and leaving the pet behind it.
You cant cast without LoS.

but you can with Necros and Animists, it's the same! you've been in tower and keep sieges where animists are hitting you with pets from the other side of the door?
Well necro pets use that same hole to get sight to the shade
If you are referring about the murderholes above keep gates, shooting through those is not an exploit. Neither for necros, Animist or any caster for that matter. Please LEARN THE GAME BASICS

NO RATHMA, talking about how SOME animists put pets against the tower door or keep door and the holes in the geometry allowing the shrooms to hit people on rams!
STOP making your case worse here, you are ONLY showing your defensive stupidity here

Sat 9 May 2020 7:15 PM by Strikejk

Expfighter wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 7:13 PM
Strikejk wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 7:08 PM
Expfighter wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 7:05 PM
but you can with Necros and Animists, it's the same! you've been in tower and keep sieges where animists are hitting you with pets from the other side of the door?
Well necro pets use that same hole to get sight to the shade
If you are referring about the murderholes above keep gates, shooting through those is not an exploit. Neither for necros, Animist or any caster for that matter. Please LEARN THE GAME BASICS

NO RATHMA, talking about how SOME animists put pets against the tower door or keep door and the holes in the geometry allow the pets to hit people on rams!
STOP making your case worse here, you are ONLY showing your defensive stupidity here

Stop the name calling, especially if you have no idea what you talk about.

Shooting through the gaps of a door would be an exploit indeed, congrats you finally found one.

Here is a little lesson:
Its an exploit if you attack someone and they have no way of attacking you back.
Also GT assisting is a feature in the game, not an exploit.

Sat 9 May 2020 7:19 PM by Expfighter

Strikejk wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 7:15 PM
Expfighter wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 7:13 PM
Strikejk wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 7:08 PM
If you are referring about the murderholes above keep gates, shooting through those is not an exploit. Neither for necros, Animist or any caster for that matter. Please LEARN THE GAME BASICS

NO RATHMA, talking about how SOME animists put pets against the tower door or keep door and the holes in the geometry allow the pets to hit people on rams!
STOP making your case worse here, you are ONLY showing your defensive stupidity here
Stop the name calling, especially if you have no idea what you talk about.

Shooting through the gaps of a door would be an exploit indeed, congrats you finally found one.

Here is a little lesson:
Its an exploit if you attack someone and they have no way of attacking you back.
Also GT assisting is a feature in the game, not an exploit.

see you just outed yourself

Sat 9 May 2020 7:24 PM by Strikejk

Expfighter wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 7:19 PM
Strikejk wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 7:15 PM
Expfighter wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 7:13 PM
NO RATHMA, talking about how SOME animists put pets against the tower door or keep door and the holes in the geometry allow the pets to hit people on rams!
STOP making your case worse here, you are ONLY showing your defensive stupidity here
Stop the name calling, especially if you have no idea what you talk about.

Shooting through the gaps of a door would be an exploit indeed, congrats you finally found one.

Here is a little lesson:
Its an exploit if you attack someone and they have no way of attacking you back.
Also GT assisting is a feature in the game, not an exploit.

see you just outed yourself

You are the laughing stock of this forum, just saying.
You PM me about GT assisting being an exploit.
You cry about necros exploiting by leaving their pets in safety behind a door while they scout the outside.
You cry about animist exploiting by putting their shrooms on top of murderholes.

You should educate yourself and get some knowledge about the game. Then you should check that. Then you should get proof of actual exploits and not your fantasy exploits. And then you should report them.
Currently you act like an ape screaming loudly, having no clue about basics and wildly flinging your poop around in every direction.

Anyway, this thread is beyond pointless at this point. Bye

Sat 9 May 2020 7:33 PM by Expfighter

Strikejk wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 7:24 PM
Expfighter wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 7:19 PM
Strikejk wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 7:15 PM
Stop the name calling, especially if you have no idea what you talk about.

Shooting through the gaps of a door would be an exploit indeed, congrats you finally found one.

Here is a little lesson:
Its an exploit if you attack someone and they have no way of attacking you back.
Also GT assisting is a feature in the game, not an exploit.

see you just outed yourself

You are the laughing stock of this forum, just saying.
You PM me about GT assisting being an exploit.
You cry about necros exploiting by leaving their pets in safety behind a door while they scout the outside.
You cry about animist exploiting by putting their shrooms on top of murderholes.
Where id I say in the murderhole? I didn't I said behind the DOOR up against it, seen this MANY MANY MANY times!

You should educate yourself and get some knowledge about the game. Then you should check that. Then you should get proof of actual exploits and not your fantasy exploits. And then you should report them.
Currently you act like an ape screaming loudly, having no clue about basics and wildly flinging your poop around in every direction.

Anyway, this thread is beyond pointless at this point. Bye

I have reported every necro and player that exploits, believe me I (and others) have reported when it happens, why do you think the "Don't place pets in places where they can't be attack" GM messages pop up from time to time

ya know you are one of those people that lies and keeps repeating the lie and after enough times of repeating it, you think it is the truth?
yea leave because you KNOW it's the truth!

Sat 9 May 2020 7:38 PM by Strikejk

Expfighter wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 7:33 PM
Strikejk wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 7:24 PM
Expfighter wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 7:19 PM
see you just outed yourself

You are the laughing stock of this forum, just saying.
You PM me about GT assisting being an exploit.
You cry about necros exploiting by leaving their pets in safety behind a door while they scout the outside.
You cry about animist exploiting by putting their shrooms on top of murderholes.
Where id I say in the murderhole? I didn't I said behind the DOOR up against it, seen this MANY MANY MANY times!

You should educate yourself and get some knowledge about the game. Then you should check that. Then you should get proof of actual exploits and not your fantasy exploits. And then you should report them.
Currently you act like an ape screaming loudly, having no clue about basics and wildly flinging your poop around in every direction.

Anyway, this thread is beyond pointless at this point. Bye
I have reported every necro and player that exploits, believe me I (and others) have reported when it happens, why do you think the "Don't place pets in places where they can't be attack" GM messages pop up from time to time

ya know you are one of those people that lies and keeps repeating the lie and after enough times of repeating it, you think it is the truth?
yea leave because you KNOW it's the truth!

Interesting.
So you are the guy who keeps reporting every necro I know.
One got a GM call for "exploiting" when all he did was provide a GT. Ofc this charge was dropped.
One got a GM call for "exploiting by putting the pet in a wall" when all he did was park it behind a door. Ofc this charge was also dropped.
One got a GM call for "exploiting by putting the pet inside the bridge" when his shade was on top of a bridge and the pet hidden next to the bridge. Ofc the charge was dropped.

Good to know who the guy is who is fake reporting "exploiting" necros. Maybe a GM reads this and considers giving you a punishment for purposefully abusing the report system.

Sat 9 May 2020 7:45 PM by Expfighter

Strikejk wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 7:38 PM
Expfighter wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 7:33 PM
Strikejk wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 7:24 PM
You are the laughing stock of this forum, just saying.
You PM me about GT assisting being an exploit.
You cry about necros exploiting by leaving their pets in safety behind a door while they scout the outside.
You cry about animist exploiting by putting their shrooms on top of murderholes.
Where id I say in the murderhole? I didn't I said behind the DOOR up against it, seen this MANY MANY MANY times!

You should educate yourself and get some knowledge about the game. Then you should check that. Then you should get proof of actual exploits and not your fantasy exploits. And then you should report them.
Currently you act like an ape screaming loudly, having no clue about basics and wildly flinging your poop around in every direction.

Anyway, this thread is beyond pointless at this point. Bye
I have reported every necro and player that exploits, believe me I (and others) have reported when it happens, why do you think the "Don't place pets in places where they can't be attack" GM messages pop up from time to time

ya know you are one of those people that lies and keeps repeating the lie and after enough times of repeating it, you think it is the truth?
yea leave because you KNOW it's the truth!
Interesting.
So you are the guy who keeps reporting every necro I know.
One got a GM call for "exploiting" when all he did was provide a GT. Ofc this charge was dropped.
Nope Not me! but I have reported one for just casting away in a tower with his pet on the other side of the closed door, I got a message that said "Thanks for the Report, we are watching"
One got a GM call for "exploiting by putting his necro in a wall" when all he did was park it behind a door. Ofc this charge was also dropped.
Again not me!
One got a GM call for "exploiting the necro inside the bridge" when his shade was on top of a bridge and the shade hidden next to the bridge. Also charge was dropped.
I have never reported or seen a necro pet in a bridge structure, only seen it in /reg, so no not me!

Good to know who the guy is who is fake reporting "exploiting" necros. Maybe a GM reads this and considers giving you a punishment for purposefully abusing the report system.

the more you continue with your stupid defending comments the MORE you are looking guilty of exploiting!

AND your defending of the exploits might get YOU punished! not me I have done nothing wrong except make a thread and point out a problem

I thought you said bye?

Sat 9 May 2020 9:32 PM by Anelyn77

Strikejk wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 7:38 PM
Expfighter wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 7:33 PM
Strikejk wrote: ↑
Sat 9 May 2020 7:24 PM
You are the laughing stock of this forum, just saying.
You PM me about GT assisting being an exploit.
You cry about necros exploiting by leaving their pets in safety behind a door while they scout the outside.
You cry about animist exploiting by putting their shrooms on top of murderholes.
Where id I say in the murderhole? I didn't I said behind the DOOR up against it, seen this MANY MANY MANY times!

You should educate yourself and get some knowledge about the game. Then you should check that. Then you should get proof of actual exploits and not your fantasy exploits. And then you should report them.
Currently you act like an ape screaming loudly, having no clue about basics and wildly flinging your poop around in every direction.

Anyway, this thread is beyond pointless at this point. Bye
I have reported every necro and player that exploits, believe me I (and others) have reported when it happens, why do you think the "Don't place pets in places where they can't be attack" GM messages pop up from time to time

ya know you are one of those people that lies and keeps repeating the lie and after enough times of repeating it, you think it is the truth?
yea leave because you KNOW it's the truth!
Interesting.
So you are the guy who keeps reporting every necro I know.
One got a GM call for "exploiting" when all he did was provide a GT. Ofc this charge was dropped.
One got a GM call for "exploiting by putting the pet in a wall" when all he did was park it behind a door. Ofc this charge was also dropped.
One got a GM call for "exploiting by putting the pet inside the bridge" when his shade was on top of a bridge and the pet hidden next to the bridge. Ofc the charge was dropped.

Good to know who the guy is who is fake reporting "exploiting" necros. Maybe a GM reads this and considers giving you a punishment for purposefully abusing the report system.

He is just trolling am 100% convinced now. Arguing with him any further won't lead to any positive or constructive arguments / proposals he just wants to nerf necros because. We had a similar story months ago with animists and peeps complaining that killing the animist didn't despawn the shrooms, or that shrooms shouldn't attack enemies if animist isn't sitting next to them (cause you could make a nice garden patch then go hide inside keep or around the corner etc and heroes of the realm couldn't see what was keeling them ^^).